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what a pile of shit dude. should be in jail anyways after putting that kid in a wheelchair. hope he burns for this in the public as he should.

he raped the redskins of money like big ben rapes ... well ... chicks.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;706793][URL="http://dc.sbnation.com/2010/6/16/1520817/Albert-Haynesworth-trade-mini-camp-fine"]Report: Haynesworth Will Be At Mini Camp To Avoid Fine - SB Nation DC[/URL]

Nothing like a fat-ass malcontent on the field. Bury the SOB on the bench unless he returns his signing bonus. As a matter of fact, I put him on the PUP list or whatever so he's not in the locker room or near the team. If he returns the SB or a large portion of it, trade him to a $hit team for whatever you can get for him. He was a FA, we didn't give any picks/players up to get him.

I guess the "bitter girlfriends" had a point. [B]This guy will be a MAJOR locker room cancer.[/B][/quote]

And now that Fletcher and Co have called him out big time to the media, it's going to be even harder for him to come back into the locker room. I read yesterday that one player flat out called him an "asshole."

Considering Shanahan's history is dealing with players with AH's kind of attitude, I'd be surprised if that fat selfish D-bag is a Redskin this year. At this point the negatives outweigh the positives.

He's not a hard worker, he doesn't care about being in shape, he's a bad teammate, he's selfish, and he's a big puss. One play he's writhing around on the ground like he just got shot, then he stumbles off the field, sucks wind for a while on the sideline, and then comes back in like nothing happened. Then rinse and repeat. I really, really, really dislike him. He can just go away.

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This from ExtremeSkins via NFLDraftBible.

[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=321196"]via NFLDraftBible twitter - JLC of NFLN reports Bucs & Lions interested in AH - EXTREMESKINS.com[/URL]


Edit. sorry old news but they were interested maybe they still might be.

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[quote=SBXVII;706836]
You can say "I told you so" any time now.
[/quote]

No I took the high road like Denny Green always does.

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[quote=GTripp0012;706838]Now: his agent has requested a trade -- one that he's not going to get -- in order to speed of the process of getting Haynesworth out of here. I don't like it at all, but [B]it's hardly a code red situation. It's just a selfish, dick move considering the financial circumstances.[/B] It's a slap in Snyder's face more than it's intended target, which is Shanahan.[/quote]It's a code red when a team captain and leader of the defense says this publicly regarding AH: "[B]At the end of the day, right now, he's shown that he can't be depended upon."[/B]

Will the rest of the team play with him if they have to, of course. Will the team chemistry be a big problem, of course. If AH comes back because of money, how can any of his teammates know he's giving his best effort? A good team can't have players questioning each other's level of effort.

This SOB got a 8 figure check, STFU and get on the field and play. If he wants out, give back the money and get the F out of dodge.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;706751]That saying would apply if Reid and JLC were just making stuff up and one of their fabricated stories just happened to be true. However, it doesnt jive with reality. Reality is that JLC had actual SOURCES telling him Haynesworth was unhappy and wanted to be traded. [B]Now, the majority here chose to stick their head in the sand and foolishly pretend that these were just rumors and the sources were crap. [/B]They foolishly chose to believe what Haynesworth, whose teammates refer to him as an "actor," said instead - even though anyone with any sense at all recognized that Haynesworth would be saying the exact same things whether or not he wanted to be traded or not. Hopefully, in the future, people will learn from this and not discredit JLC simply because they don't like what he has to say.[/quote]

Everybody new AH was disgruntled that was no secret. The "rumours" were that the 'Skins were actively attempting to trade AH. JLC consistently indicated that the front office was attempting to trade Haynesworth. In light of Shanny's statements, JLC was either simply wrong or making intentionally deceptive reports. I find Shanny's statements credible as they seem consistent with his personality and with the FO's attempt to reign in attempts by players to run the team.

JLC's multiple reports that the Skins were trying to trade AH were clearly coming from team reports that [I]AH's agent[/I] had contacted the teams. Unable to verify from the source, JLC simply created the "fact" that the Skins were [I]seeking[/I] a trade.

Your consistent beef was that the front office mishandled things b/c they let everybody know they wanted to trade AH. Apparently, not so much.

JLC is a rumour mongering little nudge w/ an ax to grind against Snyder. Regardless of his sources, when it comes to the Skins, he is going to spin it his way - damn the facts.

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[URL="http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5292163&categoryid=2459789"]Haynesworth Wants Trade, Won't Attend Minicamp - ESPN Video - ESPN[/URL]

[QUOTE][URL]http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=529...goryid=2459789[/URL]


according to Schefter (10:00 AM today). AH is making a major mistake.

By not reporting to camp today, he puts at risk not only the $9M in guaranteed money for the future, BUT also it could open the door for the Skins to go after about $25M in monies ALREADY PAID.

Pretty bad miscalculation on the part of AH and his agent.[/QUOTE]

Edit: People are getting so confused about all this.

[QUOTE]Until he misses training camp, the 'skins can only fine him day by day. And even missing training camp the Redskins have limited options (in part because the bonuses were converted from signing bonuses), it's not until he misses games that they can really go after the money.[/QUOTE]

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Gotta love Casserly also.....

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/06/casserly_haynesworth_is_on_str.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Casserly: "Haynesworth is on strike"[/url]

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It's still funny to me how many people took the "move along, nothing to see here" approach when AH skipped all the voluntary stuff. For all the times I heard, "but it's voluntary! who cares??" This right here is why so many of us were concerned. This is the type of guy AH is.

Sadly I'm not surprised one bit by this. I hope no one else is either.

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I was one of those "nothing to see here" people. I figured he would be a problem or issue but I just didn't think we needed to discuss it then cause it was voluntary. I still feel that way. Mainly because I'm always looking at the legal side of things and legally AH didn't have to be here so no harm no foul.

Since it's manditory camp now and he has not shown up now is a great time to discuss it and complain. I think we all kinda expected it but he had a right to sit at home.

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[quote=14WOODS;706677]Let Haynesworth rot at the end of the bench.

I would never trade him, bench him until his contract expires.

There should be a section at Fed-Ex dedicated to booing and belittling Haynesworth where the end of the bench is.[/quote]

I totally agree -- let him rot the rest of his career riding the pine as we own him. After all, it would appear that letting him be a whiny bitch is having him "play to his strengths." For $100M, I would run headlong into a wall for 60 minutes 16 times a year.

I like the dedicated section for booing this jackhole -- and folks could get jersies from a whole bunch of different teams with Haynesworth's name on the back, so as to underscore that he might have been traded somewhere else had he a professional bone in his body.

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[quote=GMScud;706852]It's still funny to me how many people took the "move along, nothing to see here" approach when AH skipped all the voluntary stuff. For all the times I heard, "but it's voluntary! who cares??" This right here is why so many of us were concerned. This is the type of guy AH is.

[B]Sadly I'm not surprised one bit by this. I hope no one else is either[/B].[/quote]

Surprised? No. Clearly, anything was possible from AH. Disappointed? Yes. I admit to hoping he was actually interested in playing for the Skins.

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[quote=SBXVII;706854]I was one of those "nothing to see here" people. I figured he would be a problem or issue but I just didn't think we needed to discuss it then cause it was voluntary. I still feel that way. Mainly because I'm always looking at the legal side of things and legally AH didn't have to be here so no harm no foul.

Since it's manditory camp now and he has not shown up now is a great time to discuss it and complain. I think we all kinda expected it but he had a right to sit at home.[/quote]

Sure he had a right to sit at home. So did every other player who showed up to all the voluntary stuff. With a regime change as positive as the one the Redskins just went through, it is so important to have everyone present and buying in to the change and commitment to improve and learn. Every single other player recognized this, except our highest paid player, who just happened to collect a $20M check this spring.

To me, his absence for all things voluntary was a huge red flag.

He has officially surpassed Landry as my least favorite player.

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[quote=SBXVII;706851]Gotta love Casserly also.....

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/06/casserly_haynesworth_is_on_str.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Casserly: "Haynesworth is on strike"[/url][/quote]

Although I argued differently before, I think Casserly is right.

a) if AH gets his head screwed on correctly and shows up ready to play, play him
b) if he eventually shows up but is not ready to contribute, let him languish on the bench
c) if he never shows up, don't trade him. Put him in the closet and Sean Gilbert him for a year. Let him be everything that he doesn't want to be: unproductive and forgotten, with a wasted year shaved off of his career.

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[quote=GMScud;706857]Sure he had a right to sit at home. So did every other player who showed up to all the voluntary stuff. With a regime change as positive as the one the Redskins just went through, it is so important to have everyone present and buying in to the change and commitment to improve and learn. Every single other player recognized this, except our highest paid player, who just happened to collect a $20M check this spring.

[B]To me, his absence for all things voluntary was a huge red flag[/B].

He has officially surpassed Landry as my least favorite player.[/quote]

To me, not so. Don't get me wrong I totally agree with you 100%. But I grew up watching football and the players didn't report until training camp. You would hear about 1 or 2 players who stayed with their teams (not the Skins) and worked out all year cause they felt they had to be in the best shape. Those people were looked at as being crazy.

It's a different time I know and now most players stick around the facility and train yr around but the rules are still in place from the old days. Basically the players don't have to be at volunter camp. So I see no need to start ruffling feathers when he doesn't have to be here. Now that he is supposed to be here and not, everyone can ruffle all the feathers they want.

But I too agree that everyone was here trying to get better then last yr and be a team. Thats not a way to act with a new HC and GM.

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Fckn scumbag.

Unfortunately we have very little recourse here. I'd send him Lav's flat screen and let him stay home for the next couple years.

Our money is already a sunk cost. The worst thing we could do is trade this pr*ck to another team so he could have another pay day.

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Obviously we have a new front office, but just in case they needed a reminder, this is why you build your team through the draft and not free agency.

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Fat Al should not be allowed to play football for the Skins again. I want the entire 20 million back. Should be interesting to see what Snyder and et al do.

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F*ck him. What a POS.

I trust the new FO to do the best they can with this shitty situation, but they don't seem to have much leverage. We'll see.

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These are the teams running a 4-3 this year. Giants, Eagles, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, Bengals, Lions, Vikings, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Bucs.

If he is to be traded this what he is looking at. As long as he isnt traded in the division its fine with me. He needs to buy his way out first. If not, give him a Gatorade bucket to sit on cuz he doesnt deserve to sit with the rest of the players.

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[quote=warpaint;706868]These are the teams running a 4-3 this year. Giants, Eagles, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, Bengals, Lions, Vikings, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Bucs.

If he is to be traded this what he is looking at. As long as he isnt traded in the division its fine with me. He needs to buy his way out first. If not, give him a Gatorade bucket to sit on cuz he doesnt deserve to sit with the rest of the players.[/quote]

AH and Grossman for Jason Campbell, Nnamdi Asomugha and Jared Veldheer.

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[quote=warpaint;706868]These are the teams running a 4-3 this year. Giants, Eagles, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, Bengals, Lions, Vikings, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Bucs.

If he is to be traded this what he is looking at. As long as he isnt traded in the division its fine with me. He needs to buy his way out first. If not, give him a Gatorade bucket to sit on cuz he doesnt deserve to sit with the rest of the players.[/quote]

Hope he gets traded to the Seahawks.

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I for one think this is a great thing.

The age of the "me first" attitude at Redskin Park is over.

Haynesworth has terribly misplayed his hand.

Management has no choice, but to roast him over the coals and in doing so they will drive home the new regimes direction.

Discipline, commitment and teamwork.

Fat fuck lazy bitch ass head cases beware!

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Man this is great news! We'll not have to watch that fat assed beached whale huff and puff again this year.

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[quote=wilsowilso;706875]i for one think this is a great thing.

The age of the "me first" attitude at redskin park is over.

Haynesworth has terribly misplayed his hand.

Management has no choice, but to roast him over the coals and in doing so they will drive home the new regimes direction.

Discipline, commitment and teamwork.
[b]
fat fuck lazy bitch ass head cases beware![/b][/quote]

lmao!

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[quote=SBXVII;706861]To me, not so. Don't get me wrong I totally agree with you 100%. But I grew up watching football and the players didn't report until training camp. You would hear about 1 or 2 players who stayed with their teams (not the Skins) and worked out all year cause they felt they had to be in the best shape. Those people were looked at as being crazy.

It's a different time I know and now most players stick around the facility and train yr around but the rules are still in place from the old days. Basically the players don't have to be at volunter camp. So I see no need to start ruffling feathers when he doesn't have to be here. Now that he is supposed to be here and not, everyone can ruffle all the feathers they want.

But I too agree that everyone was here trying to get better then last yr and be a team. Thats not a way to act with a new HC and GM.[/quote]

He didn't come to any OTA or mincamp stuff. I didn't really care about the training part in March but these are practices w/out pads where install stuff is going on. His fat ass took the 20 mil in April so IMO that means come to at least some the practices and get on board. He hasn't come to anything. This clown doesn't deserve to put on the bugundy and gold.

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Shame of it all is that he's good, really really good. One of the best in the biz. And he can dominate from anywhere on the line if he wanted to.

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Maybe some of you cap guys can tell me why didn't they just cut his fat ass before he took the 20 mil in April? There is no cap so why not just cut our losses since we didn't give up anything to get him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;706881]Shame of it all is that he's good, really really good. One of the best in the biz. And he can dominate from anywhere on the line if he wanted to.[/quote]

He is good when he wants to be so that's what?? He plays 35 plays or less a game and is effective on probably 40% or less of them. If you really break it down he is sooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the money.

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It's not a cap issue. It's the precedent it would have set in cutting him. Plus he is a very valuable commodity, and if we keep him from playing against us, it's still a pyrrhic victory. Why let him go to Minnesota, for example, and get nothing for him because we cut him. We have his contract, so any other team has to come through us if they want him. Apparently no one did badly enough, because according MS his agent was given a free door to find a suitable trade partner up until he accepted that 21Million dollar check. Now suit up, or shut up. I would be just as happy to see him not play this year if he isn't wearing Burgundy and Gold.

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[quote=SmootSmack;706881]Shame of it all is that he's good, really really good. One of the best in the biz. And he can dominate from anywhere on the line if he wanted to.[/quote]

If he isn't dependable how good can he be?

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[quote=skinsfan69;706884]He is good when he wants to be so that's what?? He plays 35 plays or less a game and is effective on probably 40% or less of them. If you really break it down he is sooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the money.[/quote]

This is the part I hate. Don't diminish his skills because he's an idgit off the field. He played second most out of any of our DL and I know he several times just stopped the OL push so everyone else could do their thing. It's just a shame he is so much of a me first kinda guy, instead of like Fletch or Phillip Daniels. I hope Maake gets healthy and we don't miss AH at all.

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Yea right....F*ck you Fat Al! You POS!

Report: Haynesworth will show up for training camp
Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2010 2:46 PM ET
Despite his absence from a mandatory minicamp, recalcitrant Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth reportedly will show up for training camp when it opens on July 29.

If, of course, he's still on the team.

The report comes from Chris Russell of 106.7 The Fan, who cites an unnamed NFL source.

But Haynesworth won't be showing up because he's finally seen the light. Instead, Russell reports that Haynesworth hopes to avoid potential litigation with the team, which would have a better argument when it comes to trying to get money back from the player if he doesn't show up for training camp.

As we've separately heard, Haynesworth's advisers believe that his only consequence for failing to show up for the mandatory minicamp is a fine in the neighborhood of $10,000.

So if/when he shows up, he may be acting like another player from another NFC East team five years ago.

We can only hope that Haynesworth won't eventually be doing shirtless sit-ups in his driveway.

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[quote=saden1;706886]If he isn't dependable how good can he be?[/quote]

Well exactly. My point being that you have a guy like Kedric Golston, for example, who has to work his ass of (and does) to be respectable on the field and make the occasional big play. Really KG is on the field through a bit of talent but really moreso sheer determination and pride. And he knows that he has to work hard to be on an NFL field.

But then you have a guy like Haynesworth who can be, and has shown to be, so dominating when he's on the field and committed. And it's like he doesn't even recognize or appreciate how good he is, and how consistently great he could be.

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You can always give back the money, Albert. You get what you want. The team gets what it wants.

However, I will say that the dude(s) who gave him some false promises to get him to sign the contract also deserve some blame.

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[quote=Buster;706870]AH and Grossman for Jason Campbell, Nnamdi Asomugha and Jared Veldheer.[/quote]

This is better than holding on to this guy

[quote=saden1;706872]Hope he gets traded to the Seahawks.[/quote]

I like this trade get him far away with another liar P.Carroll

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;706889]
We can only hope that Haynesworth won't eventually be doing shirtless sit-ups in his driveway.[/quote]

I bet he couldn't even be able to do a single situp right now.

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I'm done defending the guy, fuck him

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[quote=warpaint;706868]These are the teams running a 4-3 this year. Giants, Eagles, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, Bengals, Lions, Vikings, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Bucs.

If he is to be traded this what he is looking at. As long as he isnt traded in the division its fine with me. He needs to buy his way out first. If not, give him a Gatorade bucket to sit on cuz he doesnt deserve to sit with the rest of the players.[/quote]

Options:
1) Trade Albert to the Panthers for an aging declining steve smith
2) Trade him to the bengals for Chad Ochocinco
3) Trade him to the saints for Jammal Brown
4) Trade him to a 3-4 team just to piss him off
5) Trade him to the raiders for Richard seymour (haha hey who knows Al Davis is that stupid)
6) Keep him and explain to him that he's one of the highest paid players in the NFL, and that hes just making himself looking more and more like a selfish asshole each day he doesn't want to come to his job, of just doing stretches.

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[quote=Gmanc711;706811]WOOOOOOOOW.

From RI (Fletcher):

With rain falling fast, the Redskins left the field after less than 30 minutes of practice on Wednesday. Following the abbreviated practice, several players addressed Albert Haynesworth's absence, and perhaps none was as outspoken as linebacker London Fletcher, who called Haynesworth "selfish" and said the highly-compensated defensive tackle "can't be depended upon."

Fletcher is the unquestioned leader of the unit, and when he speaks, it's usually worth listening to. He didn't hold anything back when discussing Haynesworth and the defensive tackle's decision to skip the mandatory minicamp.

"I agree with the assessment that Albert has made a very selfish decision. When you play a team sport, you have to look at it and think about everybody involved in the situation. This is not golf, tennis, things like that where it's an all-about-you sport. What he's decided to do is make a decision based all about him. It's no different than his attitude and his approach to last year's defense, about wanting everything to revolve around him and him making plays. And if it didn't benefit him, he wasn't really willing to do it."

Asked if the locker room could embrace Haynesworth should he return, Fletcher said:

"Obviously, he's under contract with the Washington Redskins. From a business standpoint, I don't see them giving him $32 million and trading him or giving him away. He has the option to give the money back if he really doesn't want to be here. He could always give the money back. But once he decided to take money from this organization, he's a Washington Redskin. I say, yeah, he can come back if he shows he's willing to buy into what we're doing, if he's going to be on- board with what we're trying to do. One man is not going to stop what we're trying to accomplish this year. One man is not going to stop what we're going to accomplish this year. We've got big goals set for us this year, high aspirations. Football is going to be played with him or without him. We're going to play some good football.

Obviously, we want him to be a part of it, but he has to stop being selfish."

Fletcher said he wasn't surprised by Haynesworth's decision, given his past actions and attitudes.

"He can say what he wants to say about him not wanting to be here, wanting to be traded, things like that. There's ways he can not be a Redskin. Give the money back; I'm sure they'd take it. We'll move on without him. I want teammates who I can depend on, who I can count on, who in the fourth quarter of a situation, I know is going to be there to make a play or to do his job that the defense calls -- whether it's responsibilities holding up a lineman or penetrating a gap... I need guys I can depend on. We need people we can depend on. At the end of the day, right now, he's shown that he can't be depended upon."[/quote]

Go Fletcher.