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[quote=Chico23231;768380]Come on now thats funny...if your muslim your proably be pretty offended. His opinion then is way off, but the thing is, his presentation of information comes across as if it is facts. He believes everything he says and thens trys to support it...I like what the guy says, the reason more people are not talking about it, is its not true. lol[/quote]

He clearly says [B]he thinks[/B] its closer to 10% and he also never used the word muslim and said Islamic terrorist. Not sure if there is a difference but CNN changed what he said from Islamic to Muslim. Whats up with that?

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Im not sure if hes taken out of context or not, but he clearly means 10% of Muslims are extremist and/or support terrorist acts not that 10% of Muslims have literally committed terrorist acts, the guy even concedes that’s this is what Glenn means but goes on to scold him. And he even says that the use of terrorism in that sense is in the dictionary. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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I guess at the core my beef with both rallies was that they split people into different camps, which tends to breed cultish like behaviour. If conservatives just go on being conservative after a Beck rally and liberals continue to subscribe to the same liberal ideology lock and step following the Stewart rally, then what was actually accomplished? I don't need to march down to the National Mall to hear that Obama is a socialist [I]or[/I] that all Republicans don't care about working class Americans, because I don't believe either is true. We're spoon fed this garbage from the time we're able to pick up a newspaper, or nowadays read a blog.

I'm convinced that most Americans are closer on many of the issues than they realize. They don't live their daily lives on some left or right spectrum, but rather a continuum. As a liberal, I can talk to any one of my conservative friends about searching for a job, how to prepare my taxes, planning for a wedding, or finding a good deal on a flat screen TV. You know, everyday normal shit. We all start from a similiar place in life. One day we're fresh out of school, later, if we're lucky we get married, then we look up and we're sending our kid(s) to college. I think that's kinda it in a nutshell. There will always be differences of opinion on the right approach to govern our nation, that's why we have two parties. But when did it become so god darned evil to disagree with one another? The age of cult personalities and divisive politics, I feel, is taking it's toll on our country and I refuse to willingly participate.

[rant over]

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[quote=firstdown;768390]He clearly says [B]he thinks[/B] its closer to 10% and he also never used the word muslim and said Islamic terrorist. Not sure if there is a difference but CNN changed what he said from Islamic to Muslim. Whats up with that?[/quote]

FD, buddy, why arent more people talking about it?

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Someone has to be the bad guy, might as well be the Moslims. One percent of the American population is Moslims which implies that 99.9% Americans are good guys.

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[quote=12thMan;768413]I guess at the core my beef with both rallies was that they split people into different camps, which tends to breed cultish like behaviour. If conservatives just go on being conservative after a Beck rally and liberals continue to subscribe to the same liberal ideology lock and step following the Stewart rally, then what was actually accomplished? I don't need to march down to the National Mall to hear that Obama is a socialist [I]or[/I] that all Republicans don't care about working class Americans, because I don't believe either is true. We're spoon fed this garbage from the time we're able to pick up a newspaper, or nowadays read a blog.

I'm convinced that most Americans are closer on many of the issues than they realize. They don't live their daily lives on some left or right spectrum, but rather a continuum. As a liberal, I can talk to any one of my conservative friends about searching for a job, how to prepare my taxes, planning for a wedding, or finding a good deal on a flat screen TV. You know, everyday normal shit. We all start from a similiar place in life. One day we're fresh out of school, later, if we're lucky we get married, then we look up and we're sending our kid(s) to college. I think that's kinda it in a nutshell. There will always be differences of opinion on the right approach to govern our nation, that's why we have two parties. But when did it become so god darned evil to disagree with one another? The age of cult personalities and divisive politics, I feel, is taking it's toll on our country and I refuse to willingly participate.

[rant over][/quote]

Actually the Gleen Beck ralley was not about conservtives but more about taking back the country. I don't follow him so I'm not 100% postive but I believe he tried to keep polics out of his ralley.

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Regardless of what it was about it undoubtedly attracted mostly conservatives and the rest of Beck's crazy cult. I doubt there were too many on the fence types there.

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[quote=Chico23231;768421]FD, buddy, why arent more people talking about it?[/quote]

I don't think what a talk show host says on their show is really news. All he did was say that he thinks up to 10% of Islamics are terrorist. Its not like he called them all terrorist. Either the shoe fits or it does not. If someone said 10% of all white males are raciest I would not be offended because I'm not.

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[quote=12thMan;725606]One of the greatest, well two greatest, things about living in Washington D.C. is we're home of the Washington Redskins. The other being Washington D.C. is the epicenter of American politics. Anyone or anything that matters has to come through D.C. to get the attention of the nation.

This weekend I attended one of the two MLK rallies, but not the Glenn Beck rally. However, a couple of my friends went to the Beck rally. They went not out of any allegiance or genuine support for Glenn Beck or his ideology, whatever that truly is, but out of curiosity and to get a sense of the pulse of the crowd. One friend sent me a text message from the Beck rally, as I was listening to Al Sharpton speak at the other one, whom I no big fan of either, saying they were singing the Black National Anthem at the Beck rally on the Mall. I knew right then and there that this guy is about to explode in a way unimaginble. Anytime a white man in America can gather African Americans to sing that song, he's tapped into something worth paying attention to. But that's a thought I don't want to explore right here and now.

[B]A couple of things I noticed while riding Metro and observing those who attended Beck's rally, there wasn't the usual hateful signs and, for the most part, these seemed like your run of the mill concerned citizens, not your angry Tea Party types. Now I know that a large segment of the crowd certainly identifies with the Tea Party, and there were undoubtedly some good old boys there who don't like Obama, but the rally didn't have a strong Tea Party or political overtone from what I understand. [/B]

What I'm starting to realize, irrespective of my personal views of Beck's politics, is that he matters. The National Park Service have yet to release any official crowd size estimates gathered at the Mall, but I've heard numbers ranging from 87K to north of 100K. So basically, if you watch Fox news they'll report the crowd size around three hundred thousand and if you watch MSNBC they'll report a hundred thousand! Surely you know the drill by now, but that's not really the point here. Whatever the number, and it was a lot, Glenn Beck is suddenly a very influential figure in American politics. I suppose in a way that he wasn't prior to this large gathering and I dare say in a way that may thwart the liberal and progressive agenda in the future. That remains to seen.

In fact, Beck, and very cleverly so, neutralized partisan politics by talking about faith and God. Personally I'm not buying it, but guess what I don't need to. That's a subject that all Americans, regardless of political leanings or ethnic persuasion, can relate to and quite frankly stomach during a toxic political environment such as the one we're seeing in Washington right now.

Here's the thing, Genn Beck can talk about faith and God in a way that say, Tim Pawlenty as a presidential candidate, cannot. He can gather a crowd and rally thousands that Mitt Romney wouldn't even dare dream about. Ben Jealous, President of the NAACP, and Al Sharpton combined barely filled a high school football field of supporters just ten minutes away in a tribute to MLK. Even Sarah Palin and all of her groupies wouldn't have mustered a crowd that large.

What I'm getting at is that you don't gather that many thousands on the hallowed grounds of the Mall and still don't matter. It's going to be more diffucult for the liberal media types to dismiss Beck and portray him as some right wing loon who just wants to stir up hate and divide the American people. And as many of us on the left would hate to admit, this guy is starting to fill a void that has existed in our country for the past ten or fifteen years. That being the American people simply want nuts and bolts leadership and they want to feel they identify with their leaders. I think that's the void that has been left by the the previous Administration, the current Congress, Democrats and Republicans, and has proven to be a very difficult task even for President Obama, who just two years ago generated a Kennedyesque buzz across the country.

Now I don't expect this thread to go anywhere after, say, the third page or so I just wanted to voice my thoughts on this weekend's events after some reflection. I think we're experiencing a real political and cultural shift in our country right now and I think the ride is just beginning.[/quote]


Matty you might want to read this post again that 12th made starting this thread.

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[quote=12thMan;768413]I guess at the core my beef with both rallies was that they split people into different camps, which tends to breed cultish like behaviour. If conservatives just go on being conservative after a Beck rally and liberals continue to subscribe to the same liberal ideology lock and step following the Stewart rally, then what was actually accomplished? I don't need to march down to the National Mall to hear that Obama is a socialist [I]or[/I] that all Republicans don't care about working class Americans, because I don't believe either is true. We're spoon fed this garbage from the time we're able to pick up a newspaper, or nowadays read a blog.

I'm convinced that most Americans are closer on many of the issues than they realize. They don't live their daily lives on some left or right spectrum, but rather a continuum. As a liberal, I can talk to any one of my conservative friends about searching for a job, how to prepare my taxes, planning for a wedding, or finding a good deal on a flat screen TV. You know, everyday normal shit. We all start from a similiar place in life. One day we're fresh out of school, later, if we're lucky we get married, then we look up and we're sending our kid(s) to college. I think that's kinda it in a nutshell. There will always be differences of opinion on the right approach to govern our nation, that's why we have two parties. But when did it become so god darned evil to disagree with one another? The age of cult personalities and divisive politics, I feel, is taking it's toll on our country and I refuse to willingly participate.

[rant over][/quote]

Sorry I only read part of this post at first and after reading it in full I agree 100%.

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[quote=firstdown;768453]I don't think what a talk show host says on their show is really news. All he did was say that he thinks up to 10% of Islamics are terrorist. Its not like he called them all terrorist. Either the shoe fits or it does not. If someone said 10% of all white males are raciest I would not be offended because I'm not.[/quote]

I agree, but that type of rhetoric is what people actually believe who watch...just like how people believe obama is a muslim, or not born in this country etc. Look, anybody with sense knows that simply is not true, just like this stated opinion from beck. I have no problem with calling him out and making him look like a fool. What is truely bizaare is his producer then trys to support the figure. Its funny to me how these "rumors" start, but dont take offense when blantent ignorance is completely crushed by fact. Your right though, dont take what this talk show host rants as news.

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[quote=firstdown;768455]Matty you might want to read this post again that 12th made starting this thread.[/quote]

Please, you really believe the crowd wasn't pro-Beck and mostly conservative??

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[quote=Mattyk;768466]Please, you really believe the crowd wasn't pro-Beck and mostly conservative??[/quote]

You called a crazy cult and I was pointing out what 12th said about the people and what he saw.

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Crazy comes in many forms, it's not always outwardly noticeable.

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[quote=Mattyk;768482]Crazy comes in many forms, it's not always outwardly noticeable.[/quote]

wish there was a "like" button for this...

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It is the through the illusion of insanity that brilliance is born.....
-Albert Einstein

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[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-does-a-favorite-things-show-no-really-2010-12]Glenn Beck: Welcome To My 'Favorite Things' Episode! Here's A Christmas Survival Bag[/url]

I wanted to post this in the What are you getting for Christmas thread, but i didnt want to cause any trouble.... This was pretty funny though.

I dvr his show and watch it on the reg., but only finish about 2 shows a week. This was one i couldnt finish, it just felt like he was selling stuff the whole time. I think part of the problem with his shows are that they are on for i think 3 hours a day; 2 hours on radio, 1 on tv. They are also opinion shows (which he makes very clear), so he has to talk about how he feels about stuff for 3 hours a day 5 days a week, that’s a lot theres only so much you can say. In my opinion 2 or 3 of his tv shows a week are great; they are fascinating, entertaining, engaging, funny, inspiring, emotional, and eventful. But some are pretty crappy. He’s also a little bit of a manic, so one day you watch and hes completely down to earth and does a great job conveying his message. Another day its like hes pissed off at the world and comes across angry and emotional inspired not fact-based driven.

I normally never talk about politics, except on here. I find myself defending Beck because I feel like most people make up their minds on him and write him off as a loon without ever watching his show, only watching clips on the Daily Show and I guess now CNN or reading headlines that are completely misleading. His show is on at a time slot that most people find inconvenient so its extremely easy for people to take him out of context, smear him or even make outright lies about him. Most people accept it as fact because they don’t have the chance to make their minds up about him directly from watching his show. In my opinion he is much more moderate then O’Rielly and definitely Shawn Hannity, but its much harder to attack these people since they have prime time viewing hours.

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Heard this rumor for the last several months, looks like FOX is sick of ole Glen Beck and his bullsh*t.

[url=http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/glenn-beck-to-end-daily-fox-news-program/?src=mv]Glenn Beck to End Daily Fox News Program - NYTimes.com[/url]

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If they were tired of his bullshit I don't see why they would have all those plans to do other shows. I'm guessing that trying to do a morning radio show and a TV show is too much work and Beck is cutting back. Not sure how many stations carry his radio show but I'm guessing that makes more then what FOX pays him. The few times I have watch his show I have found it very entertaining.

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[quote=firstdown;792332]If they were tired of his bullshit I don't see why they would have all those plans to do other shows. I'm guessing that trying to do a morning radio show and a TV show is too much work and Beck is cutting back. Not sure how many stations carry his radio show but I'm guessing that makes more then what FOX pays him. The few times I have watch his show I have found it very entertaining.[/quote]

Yeah, very entertaining.

The reason is Beck makes them $$$. The more extreme the rhetoric, the better the ratings, and Becks were sky high. I would watch a couple times a month just to see what that jackass would say next. Fox was sick of his stuff, and he was losing his primary viewers, the 50+ crowd, in the end they will say its was mutual

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[quote=Chico23231;792337]Yeah, very entertaining.

[B]The reason is Beck makes them $$$.[/B] The more extreme the rhetoric, the better the ratings, and Becks were sky high. I would watch a couple times a month just to see what that jackass would say next. Fox was sick of his stuff, and he was losing his primary viewers, the 50+ crowd, in the end they will say its was mutual[/quote]Actually therein lies Beck's problem, you can only go too far "out there" and there will be a backlash. Advertisers dropping, ratings dropping = Bye, bye Beck show. His schtick got old pretty quick.

This is pretty funny though:

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/06/megyn-kelly-glenn-beck-fox-news-baier_n_845684.html"]Megyn Kelly, Bret Baier Joke About Glenn Beck's Fox News Show Ending (VIDEO)[/URL]

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Noooooooooooooooooooooo


I don't know what to think of all this yet. Ill say that I've cut back on watching his show a lotand have only watched a handful of times this year. I feel like after christmas or so he reinvented his show and rolled out his wwhole e4 thing. He does change the tone and feeling of his show it seems about every 6 months or so and this particular style didn't really resonant with me, and im guessing others. I guess I would describe his most recent style more opinionated and less just reporting facts while alluding to the obvious conclusions.

It could also be about his health, maybe his eye sight is getting worse then he's letting on?

Im also wondering if he's trying to get more into the production behind the scene business. Maybe roll out a group of simular opinion news shows?

Should be interesting in what happens within the next year. 2012 is coming up and the demand for a commentator with his views is gonna be high during election season. He was only on fox news for a couple years and instantly became one of the most polarizing commentators out there. There's a lot of people who feel the way he does and you're gonna need to fill the void somehow. I can promise that there will be no one else that can draw the amount of viewers or add revenue, even with limited advertisers, on any news network during the 5 o'clock slot for years to come.

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No surprise the guy is a joke. People can only take so much crazy. Maybe he'll go back to being a radio zookeeper.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJkxBLgd5Hs]YouTube - Glenn Beck & Tim Hattrick Y95 TV No Gimmicks[/url]

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Everybody thought Beck was crazy when he predicted the economic collapse in 2007 too. That definitely never happened or anything.

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Well, if you predict doom and gloom all the time, you're going to be right sooner or later.

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Id say bring back Crossfire on CNN...Beck and Olbermann, Crazy vs Crazy. Talk about soap opera, they make Sheen look mentally stable

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Beck isn't crazy, he just says crazy things that get him paid. His demise at Fox was sealed once he thought he was bigger than the network.

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[quote=saden1;792588]Beck isn't crazy, he just says crazy things that get him paid. His demise at Fox was sealed once he thought he was bigger than the network.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I kind of agree with this. He has a peace and love im just gonna do what i think is the right thing even if people dont take notice type attitude. But i think in realality he has a ego, hes just hiding it. He said how grateful he was that he was given the 5 oclock time slot by Fox 2 years ago when he broke the news that he was leaving. But i think thats the the problem, he wanted a better time slot and Fox wasnt willing to give it to him. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ive said this before; Beck is really easy to pick on. Unless you follow him he is easy to take out of context and twist what he is saying or take away from the point hes trying to make. People talked shit about Olberman all the time. I talked shit about him. But I made sure I watched his show every so often to make sure I would reinforce (or potential change) my opinion of him. If Olberman came on at 5 I would never watch it and would act a lot like people do with Beck; hes crazy, he lies, hes a nut, I know so because ive seen his show once I keep watching clips that reinforce that perception on Stewart and Colbert and MSNBC. I guess my point is that I wouldnt be surprised if Beck wanted to have a prime time show to reach more viewers and to make it easier for people to reinforce (or potential change) their opinion of him, for themselves. Fox wasnt willing to give it to him, because I think at this point the anti-Beck camp is too strong. Beck in my opinion is less “far right” then Hannity or O’Riely, but hes a very charismatic guy, acts goofy, not formally educated and is a lot easier to pick on and discredit. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Mattyk;792389]No surprise the guy is a joke. People can only take so much crazy. Maybe he'll go back to being a radio zookeeper.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJkxBLgd5Hs]YouTube - Glenn Beck & Tim Hattrick Y95 TV No Gimmicks[/url][/quote]

Cable news is a better place without idiots like him and Olberman on the air.

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On the Daily Show last night Jon Stewart did an insightful and hilarious dismantling of Beck. If you like Jon Stewart, check it out.

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[quote=Lotus;792665]On the Daily Show last night Jon Stewart did an insightful and hilarious dismantling of Beck. If you like Jon Stewart, check it out.[/quote]

damn, i forgot to stay up for the reaction. Stewart and Colbert are simply the best

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[quote=saden1;792588]Beck isn't crazy, he just says crazy things that get him paid. His demise at Fox was sealed once he thought he was bigger than the network.[/quote]

No I actually think he has a little crazy in him. He certainly has an massively overflowing heap of drama flowing freely.

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[quote=Chico23231;792669]damn, i forgot to stay up for the reaction. Stewart and Colbert are simply the best[/quote]

It is likely on the Comedy Central web site.

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[quote=Lotus;792695]It is likely on the Comedy Central web site.[/quote]

yeah, it keeps freezing up at work...wait til i get home. I can see Stewart on the website with the glasses on and the chalkboards in the background. Looks like a classic.

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[quote=Lotus;792665]On the Daily Show last night Jon Stewart did an insightful and hilarious dismantling of Beck. If you like Jon Stewart, check it out.[/quote]

Pics or it didn't happen!@@!@!#!@#*)$@!@)$

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Beck is just the latest guy to tap into the cash cow that is "preach the end of the world is coming and people will pay to listen to you". Before the 1,000,000 channels of cable, they populated talk radio for decades. Inevitably, these guys start believing their own drivel.

What starts off as a calculated (and cynical) "preach to the choir" scam ends up as a "Wow, the choir believes me, I must be right" delusion.

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[quote=Chico23231;792696]yeah, it keeps freezing up at work...wait til i get home. I can see Stewart on the website with the glasses on and the chalkboards in the background. Looks like a classic.[/quote]

[url=http://www.hulu.com/watch/230932/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-glenn-beck-announces-his-departure]Hulu - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: Glenn Beck Announces His Departure[/url]

[url=http://www.hulu.com/watch/230931/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-glenn-beck-was-sent-by-jesus#s-p1-sr-i1]Hulu - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: Glenn Beck Was Sent by Jesus[/url]

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This isn't like the Olbermann situation where MSNBC wanted him gone. Beck and Fox are probably going to gradually separate (I'd be surprised if this new digital content arrangment is a long term play)

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792697]Pics or it didn't happen!@@!@!#!@#*)$@!@)$[/quote]

Sorry, busy day at work. Yay for lunch!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;792700]Beck is just the latest guy to tap into the cash cow that is "preach the end of the world is coming and people will pay to listen to you". Before the 1,000,000 channels of cable, they populated talk radio for decades. Inevitably, [SIZE=4]these guys start believing their own drivel. [/SIZE]

What starts off as a calculated (and cynical) "preach to the choir" scam ends up as a "Wow, the choir believes me, I must be right" delusion.[/quote]

I heard he's looking for property in..........Guyana??