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[quote=skinsfan69;736560]Davis always wins. But Cable is right. Gradkowski does not look like a pro QB but he makes things happen out there. He reminds me of Jeff Garcia a little bit.[/quote]I get the same impression from Gradkowski. But over more than a couple of games, he won't be as consistently productive as Garcia. He's just too careless with the ball and not accurate enough to overcome that flaw.

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speaking of Garcia, i have no idea why he had to settle for the UFL this season. I know he's 40, but time and time again all the man does is win, and lead his team. He's a good locker room guy, excellent mentor, and always a fan favorite....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;736575]speaking of Garcia, i have no idea why he had to settle for the UFL this season. I know he's 40, but time and time again all the man does is win, and lead his team. He's a good locker room guy, excellent mentor, and always a fan favorite....[/quote]Doesn't have the "it" factor, ya know? It takes that special something that can't be quantified to make your potential retirement such a spectacle that an entire organization would believe that you'll play for them forever. Garcia just doesn't have that intangible.

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[quote=GTripp0012;736567]I get the same impression from Gradkowski. But over more than a couple of games, he won't be as consistently productive as Garcia. He's just too careless with the ball and not accurate enough to overcome that flaw.[/quote]

I agree that Grad can be too careless with the ball but it seems to me his carelessness comes from trying to make plays. Campbell isnt at all careless with the ball but it seems as if he's too afraid to take a chance and make a play. Gimme Grad over Campbell every time.

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Something tells me the Raiders will be QB shopping again next year. Clearly neither guy is the long term answer there.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;736575]speaking of Garcia, i have no idea why he had to settle for the UFL this season. I know he's 40, but time and time again all the man does is win, and lead his team. He's a good locker room guy, excellent mentor, and always a fan favorite....[/quote]

He's a top notch guy too. I have had the privilage of speaking with him several times, and you would never know he was an all pro athlete. He's a class act.

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[quote=jsarno;736719]He's a top notch guy too. I have had the privilage of speaking with him several times, and you would never know he was an all pro athlete. He's a class act.[/quote]

What do you mean? No recent assault charged pending? No smuggling controlled substances through airport security? 16 kids by 15 baby mommas.....ever kill any dogs...BY drowning???
NEVER shot himself?? Or his bodyguard....allegedly....NO......he sucks

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Hmmm, I wonder if we're going to have this problem. I mean McNabb sucks. Maybe if he was white I would give him the benefit of the doubt but only 400 passing yards. Wow, I throw for more then that on Madden.
[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=72685]Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;736731]Hmmm, I wonder if we're going to have this problem. I mean McNabb sucks. Maybe if he was white I would give him the benefit of the doubt but only 400 passing yards. Wow, I throw for more then that on Madden.
[URL="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=72685"]Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights[/URL][/quote]

That is awesome. You would think Zennie62...could find something better to write about DURING the season?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;736731]Hmmm, I wonder if we're going to have this problem. I mean McNabb sucks. Maybe if he was white I would give him the benefit of the doubt but only 400 passing yards. Wow, I throw for more then that on Madden.
[URL="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=72685"]Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights[/URL][/quote]

Really?? :benched::bdh:

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[quote=Dirtbag359;736731]Hmmm, I wonder if we're going to have this problem. I mean McNabb sucks. Maybe if he was white I would give him the benefit of the doubt but only 400 passing yards. Wow, I throw for more then that on Madden.
[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=72685]Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights[/url][/quote]As a Chinese dude myself, I hate it when minorities try to point to "inequality of outcome" as "people are judging unequally" with annoying frequency.

First, Turd doesn't know what "confounding variable" is.
Second, turd doesn't realize that "inequality of outcome" DOES NOT MEAN "unequal judgement". If you're going to judge based on performance, and the QB's performance is sooooo goddamn awful that a change is required, IT DOESN'T MATTER if the dude white, black, etc.
Third, Mr. Abraham bunches up a bunch of white individuals into a "white establishment". Here, he shows a lack discretion when judging people.
Finally, stats are a shitty measure of capturing the moment.

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Doug williams book comes to mind here...Wtf where did you find that anyway

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And they cut poor Colt Brenan! lol

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[quote=pg86;736798]Doug williams book comes to mind here...Wtf where did you find that anyway[/quote]

I googled "Jason Campbell benched." The article appeared under the news results.

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[url=http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/09/20/cable-declares-a-controvesy-free-zone/]Cable declares a controversy-free zone - Inside the Oakland Raiders - A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[/url]

He's "dead" now.

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Zennie62 should read that Cable article then he might put his deck of race cards away. Use it when it makes sense, not now. This is what football is about. If you're good then you're good, if you suck you suck.


[B]Q:[/B] Is it a setback at all in that you have Jason as the No. 1 guy since April, and then a game and a half into the season you switch gears? Or does the fact that Bruce was around last year make it easier to switch?

[B]Cable:[/B] I think before you go into all that or read into all that, [U][B]it’s about winning on Sundays[/B][/U]. [B][U]A decision was made yesterday to do that.[/U][/B] Some of the benefits to it are the fact that Bruce has been around, yes, but if you remember, he’s had less work in the new system than Jason.


That's why he was benched, not because he was black. It's about winning, which he doesn't put them in the position to do.

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Q: [B][U]Should Campbell have recognized the Raiders were in the wrong formation on fourth-and-1 and called a time out?[/U][/B]


Cable: [B]Yeah, absolutely[/B]. In the heat of the battle, whatever it is, we didn’t get it done. I tried to fix it, but (the officials) weren’t paying attention to us.


This is what I was talking about when I bashed him. Gotta be better than that.

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I imagine Zennie knows the real story as well....BUT that's not provocative or interesting............

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I seriously would rather have J.Russell over Campbell...
I think Campbell sucks that bad!

As bad a Russell was...and he's [B]REAL[/B] bad...he did win games last season.

I'm not sure Campbell could win a game for Oakland...
He was losing against the [B]Rams[/B] before being pulled and Gradowski brought the team back...lol

I'm a firm believer,the Redskins won..."in spite" of Campbell last season.
I think we had enough talent to do so...specially on the defensive side.

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First it was someone wanting Shuler over JC, now Russell?

C'mon people, this is just getting dumb :doh:

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Maybe the facts are in, and Campbell is indeed that much of a bust.

But still, I don't think that J. Russell is better than Campbell. I consider them about equal, when it comes to the raiders.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;736955]Q: [B][U]Should Campbell have recognized the Raiders were in the wrong formation on fourth-and-1 and called a time out?[/U][/B]
Cable: [B]Yeah, absolutely[/B]. In the heat of the battle, whatever it is, we didn’t get it done. I tried to fix it, but (the officials) weren’t paying attention to us.
This is what I was talking about when I bashed him. Gotta be better than that.[/quote]

wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

[B][I][U][COLOR="DarkRed"]Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.

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Give Bruce Gradkowski some credit. When we replaced Campbell down two points at half at home against a vastly inferior team last year (Chiefs), Todd Collins came in and actually assisted the Chiefs in winning the game. Gradkowski at least took care of his business and got Campbell the "W", and made Tom Cable's decision look rational and not at all desperate.

The Raiders have a better QB situation this year than we did last year.

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Russell and Campbell aren't even in the same ballpark. Sorry, not even close.

You're talking about one of the biggest busts in NFL history, right behind Ryan Leaf, and comparing him to a middle of the road guy in JC.

It just doesn't add up no matter how you look at it.

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The excuses for Campbell are truly overwhelming...

It's O-line..
It's the Running game
It's the WR's
It's the formations
It's the coach
It's the front office
It's the defense
It's the fans
it's the stadium
It's the way he was brought up

Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe.....

JUST maybe...
Campbell is horrible?

Seriously...Did Heath Shuler or Patrick Ramsey get the opportunites that this non-leading loser get?

At least Ramsey has the actual excuse of playing behind a non-blocking Fun and Gun offense with absolutely no protection,but the fans decided he sucked and Ramsey never proved anyone wrong...

But noooooooooooo...NOT JC...

The only person I've ever seen get excused, for every screwup they ever made,is our very own president...

Only difference is...One set a franchise back for 5 years
The other has ruined a Country

BTW...I love having McNabb!!:food-smil
He's a great player and person...

(This was said just in case an Obamabot Liberal threw out the racist or bigot card at me) lol

You know how they can be...lol

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[quote=aceinthehouse;736981]The excuses for Campbell are truly overwhelming...

It's O-line..
It's the Running game
It's the WR's
It's the formations
It's the coach
It's the front office
It's the defense
It's the fans
it's the stadium
It's the way he was brought up

Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe.....

JUST maybe...
Campbell is horrible?

Seriously...Did Heath Shuler or Patrick Ramsey get the opportunites that this non-leading loser get?

At least Ramsey has the actual excuse of playing behind a non-blocking Fun and Gun offense with absolutely no protection,but the fans decided he sucked and Ramsey never proved anyone wrong...

But noooooooooooo...NOT JC...

The only person I've ever seen get excused, for every screwup they ever made,is our very own president...

Only difference is...One set a franchise back for 5 years
The other has ruined a Country[/quote]Aren't you the excuse guy who started that thread about the receivers not sucking, it was just the quarterback play?

Man up, dude. Hold yourself accountable.

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[quote=GTripp0012;736982]Aren't you the excuse guy who started that thread about the receivers not sucking, it was just the quarterback play?

Man up, dude. Hold yourself accountable.[/quote]

You're crazy...I[B] LOVE[/B] having mcNabb dude!!

I started a thread saying that the WR's are fine,but I am cool with an upgrade as well...
(LOLOL..As I was Proved on Sunday my friend):food-smil

have some crow...lol

But i still would like Jackson...

QB is awesome now...
but campbell sucks...

is this clear for ya Tripp?

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ace - plenty of us questioned JC during his time here, repeatedly for about 2 straight years. for every "apologist" there was a "doubter".

its just that now, at least for me, whats the point of repeating what we've been arguing about for so long?

JC is a raider, mcnabb is our guy.

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[quote=over the mountain;736985]ace - plenty of us questioned JC during his time here, repeatedly for about 2 straight years. for every "apologist" there was a "doubter".

its just that now, at least for me, whats the point of repeating what we've been arguing about for so long?

JC is a raider, mcnabb is our guy.[/quote]

Well said!

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And btw tripp....why would I say we are going 14-2 if I thought our current QB play is bad?

Doesn't make since does it bud?

I said and started thread saying that our current WR core is not as bad as everyone made it out to be....
That we were fine there...(luckily,I was proven right, this last Sunday in a loss)

That our QB play[B] FROM LAST SEASON[/B] made them worse than they really were...
OK?

[B]HOWEVER[/B]..having said that...
I still am on board for [B]UPGRADING[/B] with Jackson and think it would be a good idea to have an end zone target for the fades and jump balls...

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[quote=30gut;736975]wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

[B][I][U][COLOR=darkred]Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.[/quote]

Really 30gut ? Really ? How many times have coaches or fellow players taken the blame for Jason ****ing up ? A lot, believe that. Slim if he sees it he can CALL AN AUDIBLE !!!!!

I'm black, I've been profiled, felt the sting of racism and all that you can't pull that the man is holding the brotha down bullshit. Not in this instance. He's just sorry IMO. Take that play away, and I'm pretty sure they would've lost that game had he stayed under center. Cable knew it, the team knew it. THAT is why you will see Jason on the bench, or standing there holding a clipboard. NOT because he's black, African American, Zulu, Wachutu, or just a guy from the south. Make Campbell a white guy and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get so much sympathy. I'm just saying. This shouldn't be a race issue, it's a skill issue. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't drafted there so there is no loyalty and very little patience. He just lacks the skills to be an above average QB, if your team isn't full of Pro Bowlers that are the best at their position and can win on their own, they just need a guy to say "Hike" then he's not your guy.

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[quote=30gut;736975]wait a second.
a coach has his team in the wrong formation and its the QB's fault?
So every time a team has an illegal formation its the QBs fault?
By that token there are a lot of QBs that make that same mistake every Sunday.
Didn't we have an illegal formation in week 1?
Should McNabb get bashed?

[B][I][U][COLOR="DarkRed"]Are NFL Head Coaches Benching Black QBs Faster Than White QBs? : Zennie Abraham : City Brights[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]

If i said that historically a black QB gets pulled faster then a white QB it would be correct statement.
Try and remove emotion and take a look Sanchez 5 picks in 1 game not pulled, Flacco 4 picks 1 game not pulled, Carson Palmer 4 picks, Jake Delhomme, Romo 4-5? etc need i continue?

McNabb was pulled after 2 pick 2 years ago for Kolb who came in and threw 2 picks 1 a pick 6.
Campbell has gotten the quick hook twice both times on bad teams with coaches that were under the gun.
Tarvaris Jackson had the rug yanked out from under him by another insecure coach and came back at the end of the year to bail that sorry coach's team out and send them to the playoffs 2 years ago.
Vince Young who basically saved the Titans season last year and has made several late game comebacks yanked.

We can all be objective and make an observation.
It doesn't mean that there's neccesarily a cause and effect relationship.
You can make the observation and leave it at that.
If find it strange that someone would make a comment and meet that kind of negative reaction.
The reaction to the statement is actually part of the problem if people create an uncomfortable environement for an opinion then people are less likely to state that opinion.[/quote]

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very [I]fine[/I] one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

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[quote=GTripp0012;736979]Give Bruce Gradkowski some credit. When we replaced Campbell down two points at half at home against a vastly inferior team last year (Chiefs), Todd Collins came in and actually assisted the Chiefs in winning the game. Gradkowski at least took care of his business and got Campbell the "W", and made Tom Cable's decision look rational and not at all desperate.

The Raiders have a better QB situation this year than we did last year.[/quote]

If anything, the Raiders should be happy that it appears McFadden has learned how to be a NFL running back. He was running with power and finishing runs, I was like wow who is that guy? If he runs like that all year they might have a decent shot to be respectable.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;736967]I seriously would rather have J.Russell over Campbell...
I think Campbell sucks that bad!

As bad a Russell was...and he's [B]REAL[/B] bad...he did win games last season.

I'm not sure Campbell could win a game for Oakland...
He was losing against the [B]Rams[/B] before being pulled and Gradowski brought the team back...lol

I'm a firm believer,the Redskins won..."in spite" of Campbell last season.
I think we had enough talent to do so...specially on the defensive side.[/quote]The statement about Russell vs. Campbell is moronic, to say the least. Seeing Russell last year against us, I think the following comparison is apt. If Campbell's a turtle in games, Russell is a sloth. JaVendingMachine is much worse than Campbell. NO ONE HAS PICKED HIM UP. Hell, even Ryan Leaf was given a second.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;736992]Really 30gut ? Really ? How many times have coaches or fellow players taken the blame for Jason ****ing up ? A lot, believe that. Slim if he sees it he can CALL AN AUDIBLE !!!!!

I'm black, I've been profiled, felt the sting of racism and all that you can't pull that the man is holding the brotha down bullshit. Not in this instance. He's just sorry IMO. Take that play away, and I'm pretty sure they would've lost that game had he stayed under center. Cable knew it, the team knew it. THAT is why you will see Jason on the bench, or standing there holding a clipboard. NOT because he's black, African American, Zulu, Wachutu, or just a guy from the south. Make Campbell a white guy and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get so much sympathy. I'm just saying. This shouldn't be a race issue, it's a skill issue. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't drafted there so there is no loyalty and very little patience. He just lacks the skills to be an above average QB, if your team isn't full of Pro Bowlers that are the best at their position and can win on their own, they just need a guy to say "Hike" then he's not your guy.[/quote]

Did you even read my post?

[quote=SirClintonPortis;737001]Sanchez is Hispanic. A very [I]fine[/I] one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...[/quote]

Yes, Sanchez is hispanic thank you for the correction.
LoL, and um i guess he's fine? I guess he's a decent looking guy?
Look it, i'm not saying its outwardly about race.
But just take an honest look at the trends......it could simply be an abberation but it would appear that blacks have a shorter leash then non-black.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;737001]Sanchez is Hispanic. A very [I]fine[/I] one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...[/quote]

Buddy Ryan was known to have racist tendencies. Just ask David Duerson. However, i think that was a reflection of that time in the NFL, and not so much Buddy Ryan the person.

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My God, why is this thread still open?

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[quote=Ruhskins;737015]My God, why is this thread still open?[/quote]

This thread will probably go away as soon as Campbell proves us all wrong....

Which means thewarpath.net will win the award of the longest continued thread on the web.....:lol::lol:

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[quote=30gut;737006]Did you even read my post?[/quote]

Yeah and I also noticed how you pasted the article right after you said what you said. But let's get to your point. It wasn't an illegal formation just the wrong formation. QB's that know their playbook can make adjustments at the line. OR if you know what formation you are supposed to be in, you can call a timeout. Sort of like if you see that a blitz is coming you can change the protection, which is something else that he doesn't like to do.

You're right that many QB's make the mistakes that Jason makes, but the good ones have more positives. And until he finds a way to have more of those, then he'll ride the pine.

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[quote=Ruhskins;737015]My God, why is this thread still open?[/quote]

Because if he were playing well in Oakland there would be one about that, only it would be at about 30 pages by now.