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[quote=skinsfan69;740079]The defense is suppose to be the strength of the team though. We already know the offense is below average. This has been a top ten defense with many of the same guys. So how do we go from top ten to dead last?[/quote]

Regardless that doesn't give the offense a pass. 16 points isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

We need to improve in every phase of the game right now. The D is the most obvious, but the offense and special teams need a lot of work too.

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So funny, this all sounds like the same old song we were singing late last year, the year before, so forth and so on. Disgruntled with the coaching staff, perplexed with the scheme. Not happy campers.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;740078]But I thought he was the next Deion Neon? :food-smil[/quote]

Hall was simply terrible yesterday. After all that talk he goes out against WR's that are worse than ours and plays like a girl. I just don't get the guy. He needs to keep his mouth shut cause he's not good enough to back it up on the field.

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[quote=skinsfan69;740089]Well people may not believe it but all I care about is what I see. And this defense was not nearly this bad last year or the year before. The last two weeks have been horrible.[/quote]Granted, that the results have just not been there this year.

I don't know if we're any good as a defense this year. I do know we have the same strengths and weaknesses as we did last year, and that staying with what hadn't been working in the past would have been a poor way to try to avoid becoming a slightly weaker version of the same unit.

I'll listen to any argument that suggests we just don't have the talent around studs like Orakpo and Fletcher and Landry to be successful. We may or may not. That remains to be seen.

I do know that if we're going to have a "defense has major issues thread", we should at least be able to identify a couple of those issues. If the problem with the defense is a talent deficiency, that could be a major issue. If the problem is "we lost to the Rams and need to scapegoat something", well, now I'm the one who doesn't care.

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[quote=Mattyk;740091]Regardless that doesn't give the offense a pass. 16 points isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

We need to improve in every phase of the game right now. The D is the most obvious, but the offense and special teams need a lot of work too.[/quote]Touchdown scored on a drive that started at the 21 yard line of the opponent.

We started two drives that deep in opponent territory all of last year (both in the Panthers game). We've already matched that this season. The offense, to date, has been worse than last year. I've been impressed with McNabb and Williams, and Portis' blocking. Disappointed with everyone else.

Can't see how Casey Rabach starts next week. Even cats only have 9 lives.

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I cant believe we lost to the RAMS.

OMG, that is pitiful. so much for the "playoff run" here in DC. that was downright ugly, and there are ABSOLUTELY no positives to come out of that game.


We stink.

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[quote=Mattyk;740091]Regardless that doesn't give the offense a pass. 16 points isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

We need to improve in every phase of the game right now. The D is the most obvious, but the offense and special teams need a lot of work too.[/quote]

I just expect less from the offense cause we've only got one legit NFL wr. These guys that they brought in were on the street for a reason. Galloway, Armstrong and Williams would not make 90% of the teams in the league. Thomas and Davis need to be on the field all the time. Not journeymen WR's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;740101]I just expect less from the offense cause we've only got one legit NFL wr. These guys that they brought in were on the street for a reason. Galloway, Armstrong and Williams would not make 90% of the teams in the league. Thomas and Davis need to be on the field all the time. Not journeymen WR's.[/quote]We're clearly less talented on offense than on defense. Either the defense is underachieving, or it isn't as good as I thought it could be every year since 2007. It's never lived up to it's billing.

We might still improve on offense yet, but three games into Zorn 2.0 last season, we were ahead of where we were now. We know how that ended.

If we beat Philly and go 2-0 in the division to start, no one remembers this game. We'll be in first place in the NFC East no matter what Dallas and New York do.

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[quote=Ruhskins;739648]Defense hasn't been playing well. We won a fluke in week one and the defense's issues caught up to us on week two. We just lost to a subpar team (apparently they are not) with a rookie QB that didn't play his senior year, basically no receivers, and their start RB (their main offensive weapon) out for half of the game.[/quote]

That sums it up. I don't think Haslett had the personel to make the 3-4 adjustment, yet he did anyway. Why haven't we changed for a series and gone back to the 4-3? That would at least keep another team off guard b/c they obviously are quite cozy torching our team all day. It seems like a case of fixing what wasn't broke.

Haslett's zone coverages are so easy a rookie QB can pick it apart.

Only in Washington would we let Gwilliams leave, promote blache, hire zorn and get back on track only to hire Haslett who has a pitiful track record and accomplished squat.

IDK what the answer is, only know there are numerous problems and now we are losing games when the division is still up for grabs. Disgraced today.

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Playoff run?
We were at 1-1 and you guys were thinking of playoffs?
Playoffs?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;740110]Playoff run?
We were at 1-1 and you guys were thinking of playoffs?
Playoffs?[/quote]

Call me delusional but, yes this team will make the playoffs.

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There is always a conception/misconception of how long it takes a team to adjust to a new scheme. The Redskins are currently undergoing changes on both sides of the ball, including a total overhaul on defense. The Redskins have also played 3 mediocre games thus far, leading to a 1-2 record that could quite easily be 0-3, as it could quite easily be 2-1 (they were never in yesterday's game, even with a 14-13 halftime score). Time will only tell whether the current players will adjust quickly and start playing solid football, or whether the players this year are playing for their spots on next year's team.

There is also a tone on this team that makes them feel like they don't have to earn things, that they'll be handed the silver spoon on the golden platter week in and week out. Haynesworth's quote, while doesn't sum over the overall team's take, could represent more than one player's thoughts, "I mean, you've got to look at their record and you've got to look at the team, and you think they've got a young quarterback and their line's been giving up a lot of sacks. And you might not think you're letting 'em off the hook or [I]Hey, it's just the Rams[/I], but it's got to be in your mind. Because you look at their record, you look at the young quarterback, look at how the line played before, giving up nine sacks before this game, and things like that. So it's little keys that probably make you think that way." The team certainly has that connotation about them that they'll just win and not have to earn it.

I think the growing pains of the 3-4 are clearly evident, and it'll help Shanny and Haslett plan for next year's roster to see who can hack it (Orakpo, Landry, Rocky, Fletcher) and who can't (Hall, Carter, Haynesworth). It'll be nice if the team can get their shit together and play solid football...however, it wouldn't surprise me if they coast through the season like they have in years past.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;740112]Call me delusional but, yes this team will make the playoffs.[/quote]

:rofl:

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I am not surprised by the problems we are having on defense.
I have been posting all summer when I was disappointed to find out we hired Hasslett and were switching to the 3-4 full time, I knew this would happen and we would be vulnerable to the run. So this is not a shocker. I do think in time Hasslett wil turn it around.
One of the problem is every year with our fans and some on this sight, we experience some success in preseason and immediately we start hearing the ovelyr optimistic talk of playoffs and how we are back to being a winning team.
The reality is we are better (4-12) but not as far removed as some would think from what we were last year.
Our offensive line and defensive secondary (safety play) is greatly improved. But we are much weaker in our front seven, which is the foundation of any defense and what separates a winning teams from a losing teams.
Before we screaming for people to get fired we need give them a chance to right the ship. The only part that is little frustrating is they took a team strength, run stopping and some how made it a weakness. That is a bitter pill to swallow.

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Quick reality interjection: Sam Bradford completed 62% of his passes for 6.35 yards per attempt yesterday.

Last year, Matt Stafford completed 58% of his passes for 6.70 yards per attempt last year against us.

Rams backs rushed for 133 yards on 37 carries in this game, good for 3.6 YPC.

Last year, Lions backs rushed 154 yards on 36 carries, good for 4.3 YPC

This year, we forced two turnovers, and made one QB sack vs. the Rams.

Last year, we forced no turnovers, and made two sacks vs. the Lions.

Our defense is ahead of where it was at this point last year. Carry on.

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He needs to figure out a scheme to better fit our players, but the players and this may have lost us the game, need to learn how to tackle(D. Hall).

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Well the Defense against the Texans was bad, yesterday it sucked....lets see how with play in Philly. Im thinking Vick and company are gonna put up big numbers against us.

I think it safe to say our defense has been the stronger part of this team for the last decade. Our offense has been garbage for that sametime, especially the last couple years. The expectations going into this year was yes growing pains into the new scheme. I did not expect us to be last in Defense per the yardage stats at this point in time.

Bottomline, there is no f*ckin excuse for a f*ckin rookie QB to pick apart are defense, and beat our ass the second half the way they did. Haslett did a PISS POOR job with adjustments in the second half and overall game planning yesterday.

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[quote=Defensewins;740119]The only part that is little frustrating is they took a team strength, run stopping and some how made it a weakness. That is a bitter pill to swallow.[/quote]

We gave up 4 yards per carry last year (16th in the league), and we've given up 3.5 yards per carry so far this year (11th).

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;740122]Quick reality interjection: Sam Bradford completed 62% of his passes for 6.35 yards per attempt yesterday.

Last year, Matt Stafford completed 58% of his passes for 6.70 yards per attempt last year against us.

Rams backs rushed for 133 yards on 37 carries in this game, good for 3.6 YPC.

Last year, Lions backs rushed 154 yards on 36 carries, good for 4.3 YPC

This year, we forced two turnovers, and made one QB sack vs. the Rams.

Last year, we forced no turnovers, and made two sacks vs. the Lions.

[B]Our defense is ahead of where it was at this point last year. Carry on.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Well that is just a silly statement. You're using yesterdays game as the only example and forgetting all about last week. Did you watch last weeks game? I don't remember any QB throwing for almost 500 yards against our defense. The defense blew a 17 point lead and never made any adjustments. That's the most annoying thing so far. I've yet to see Haslett adjust to what the other teams play caller is doing. How many times did Schaub run that bootleg and what did Haslett do about it?

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On an unrelated note -- everyone picks out the non-call on Landry in the endzone right before half-time. Howie Long was bitching about it on the half-time show on FOX.

No one seems to remember that earlier in the half, there was an obvious pass interference on Joey Galloway in the endzone that would have put the ball on the 1-yard line. So in that sense, we were even.

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[quote=12thMan;740093]So funny, this all sounds like the same old song we were singing late last year, the year before, so forth and so on. Disgruntled with the coaching staff, perplexed with the scheme. Not happy campers.[/quote]

And what's so funny about that is we're only one or two improbable wins away from moving out of the "we officially suck" line. We will "suck"- STS - everytime we lose, regardless of how we lose or who we lose too. When we win we're on the right track, Shanahan and Allen will be walking on water again. All will be fine until the next loss, then the cycle repeats itself all over again.

I have a difficult time trying to understand how people can turn on a dime that way. You're only as good as your last play with some fans, win and everything's fine, lose and everybody "sucks".......Amazing!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;740135]Well that is just a silly statement. You're using yesterdays game as the only example and forgetting all about last week. Did you watch last weeks game? I don't remember any QB throwing for almost 500 yards against our defense. The defense blew a 17 point lead and never made any adjustments. That's the most annoying thing so far. I've yet to see Haslett adjust to what the other teams play caller is doing. How many times did Schaub run that bootleg and what did Haslett do about it?[/quote]That was a direct apples to apples comparison: 2009 Detroit and 2010 St. Louis.

Do you want to break out the numbers from last year's first Giants game? No, I really don't think you do, especially if you're of the position that our defense is worse now.

The point is, factually speaking, our defense was horrible through three weeks last year. They ended up in the middle of the pack after all was said and done. They were a strong unit in most of October. This is simply being overlooked right now as people come with the pitchforks and torches to the new DC is that, apples to apples, the old defense struggled just as much in our 1-2 start last year.

Worst case scenario right now is that: nothing is different and we'll only go as far as the offense can take us. Because that's just the kind of team we've been the last three seasons.

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[quote=Longtimefan;740137]And what's so funny about that is we're only one or two improbable wins away from moving out of the "we officially suck" line. We will "suck"- STS - everytime we lose, regardless of how we lose or who we lose too. When we win we're on the right track, Shanahan and Allen will be walking on water again. All will be fine until the next loss, then the cycle repeats itself all over again.

I have a difficult time trying to understand how people can turn on a dime that way. You're only as good as your last play with some fans, win and everything's fine, lose and everybody "sucks".......Amazing!!![/quote]
It should turn around soon as we are only playing PHI,GB,IND,CHI pretty easy until week 8 against the Lions.

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[quote=Mechanix544;740100][B]I cant believe we lost to the RAMS.

OMG, that is pitiful.[/B] so much for the "playoff run" here in DC. that was downright ugly, and there are ABSOLUTELY no positives to come out of that game.


We stink.[/quote]

I assume this is sarcasm, right?

If not, what makes you so sure we are that much better than the Rams?

Over the next few weeks, when the shellacking the Redskins are going to take starts happening against Philly, Green Bay and Indy -- we're going to look back on that Cowboys victory and wonder how it ever happened.

It's only going to get even more ugly...

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Rams hung 30 on us...nuff said about the poor state of our defense

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[quote=Chico23231;740143]Rams hung 30 on us...nuff said about the poor state of our defense[/quote]

Don't forget that 1/2 the game without Steve Jackson.

Clearly there is only one solution....


Bring back Sherm Lewis to call plays on defense!


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;740144]Don't forget that 1/2 the game without Steve Jackson.[/quote]

Rookie QB in 3rd start as well

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Well, since Green Bay's defense has given up 75 points in their last three games, I can only assume we all have the Bears tonight?

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[quote=firstdown;740141]It should turn around soon as we are only playing PHI,GB,IND,CHI pretty easy until week 8 against the Lions.[/quote]

Philly, Green Bay, Indy and Chicago are included in those improbable wins.

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[quote=GTripp0012;740147]Well, since Green Bay's defense has given up 75 points in their last three games, I can only assume we all have the Bears tonight?[/quote]

i do...Cutler looking pretty damn fine

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I actually have the Bears too. Sorry for crapping all over the point I was trying to make, which is that defensive points against doesn't say much about a defense without looking at victory margins.

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Bears were impressive on the road at Dallas last week. Especially the way they held on late. Green Bay consistency the last couple years reminds me alot of Dallas...great one week, god aweful the next.

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[quote=GTripp0012;740140]That was a direct apples to apples comparison: 2009 Detroit and 2010 St. Louis.

Do you want to break out the numbers from last year's first Giants game? No, I really don't think you do, especially if you're of the position that our defense is worse now.

The point is, factually speaking, our defense was horrible through three weeks last year. They ended up in the middle of the pack after all was said and done. They were a strong unit in most of October. This is simply being overlooked right now as people come with the pitchforks and torches to the new DC is that, apples to apples, the old defense struggled just as much in our 1-2 start last year.

Worst case scenario right now is that: nothing is different and we'll only go as far as the offense can take us. Because that's just the kind of team we've been the last three seasons.[/quote]

You're simply taking stats from the years worst game to support you argument. The defense played well in the first Giants game. Anyone with football knowledge knows that the defense, although flawed, was decent. Not a great create havoc type of defense but good enough to make the playoffs if the offense could score more points. So why come in and totally change the scheme when the players you have don't fit? To me that's shitty coaching. You didn't see Mike Tomlin come in and run the Tampa two when he got the Pittsburgh job.

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[quote=skinsfan69;740158]You're simply taking stats from the years worst game to support you argument. The defense played well in the first Giants game. Anyone with football knowledge knows that the defense, although flawed, was decent. Not a great create havoc type of defense but good enough to make the playoffs if the offense could score more points. So why come in and totally change the scheme when the players you have don't fit? To me that's shitty coaching. You didn't see Mike Tomlin come in and run the Tampa two when he got the Pittsburgh job.[/quote]You're completely missing the point, and you're doing it without evidence, which is worse.

The point is that I/we simply don't know how good the defense is going to be this year. It might be top ten. It might be bottom ten. It's probably going to be somewhere in between. We need to see more before passing judgment on the virtues of the 3-4. All people are doing in this thread is passing judgment prematurely.

Last year's defense was worse through three games, and all we did last year was write them a pass because of the offense -- which was more productive in both losses last year than it was in both losses this year.

It's not hard to see that closed mindedness re: the 3-4 is causing people to point out that this year's defense had sucked when the EXACT same people were defending just a poor coaching/playing effort last year because we had a 4-3.

I'm not saying that Haslett is necessarily going to make the adjustments that make this defense passable, I'm just saying that if your issue here was that the defense is talent-loaded and underachieving...where the hell was everyone the last two years what that was PRECISELY the case in our 4-3.

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[quote=GTripp0012;740160]You're completely missing the point, and you're doing it without evidence, which is worse.

The point is that I/we simply don't know how good the defense is going to be this year. It might be top ten. It might be bottom ten. It's probably going to be somewhere in between. We need to see more before passing judgment on the virtues of the 3-4. All people are doing in this thread is passing judgment prematurely.

Last year's defense was worse through three games, and all we did last year was write them a pass because of the offense -- which was more productive in both losses last year than it was in both losses this year.

It's not hard to see that closed mindedness re: the 3-4 is causing people to point out that this year's defense had sucked when the EXACT same people were defending just a poor coaching/playing effort last year because we had a 4-3.

I'm not saying that Haslett is necessarily going to make the adjustments that make this defense passable, I'm just saying that if your issue here was that the defense is talent-loaded and underachieving...where the hell was everyone the last two years what that was PRECISELY the case in our 4-3.[/quote]

I'm not sure how you're quantifying "worse" but I'd be interested in knowing. Of course we don't know how good the defense is going to be this year and I don't think people here are really trying to make that point. Adjustments and scheme changes are fine and expected, but no was expecting the defense to fall off the cliff to 32nd in the league, GTripp.

We don't need sixteen games to see that this ain't working and Haslett appears to be in over his head big time. It's not just a personnel issue, it's a coaching issue from what I can see. Can I prove that it's a coaching issue with stats? Hell no. Seventeen of the thirty two teams run a 3-4 scheme, yet we're making it look like algebra.

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[quote=GTripp0012;740160]You're completely missing the point, and you're doing it without evidence, which is worse.

The point is that I/we simply don't know how good the defense is going to be this year. It might be top ten. It might be bottom ten. It's probably going to be somewhere in between. We need to see more before passing judgment on the virtues of the 3-4. All people are doing in this thread is passing judgment prematurely.

Last year's defense was worse through three games, and all we did last year was write them a pass because of the offense -- which was more productive in both losses last year than it was in both losses this year.

It's not hard to see that closed mindedness re: the 3-4 is causing people to point out that this year's defense had sucked when the EXACT same people were defending just a poor coaching/playing effort last year because we had a 4-3.

I'm not saying that Haslett is necessarily going to make the adjustments that make this defense passable, I'm just saying that if your issue here was that the defense is talent-loaded and underachieving...where the hell was everyone the last two years what that was PRECISELY the case in our 4-3.[/quote]

So you think Andre Carter is a 3-4 outside backer? Nope. Yet he's one of our best pass rushers. Where has he been? Is Haynesworth a nose tackle? Nope. Is Rocky an inside backer? No. Where is Chris Wilson? Do we even have a true nose tackle? No. Are Hall and Rogers zone corners? No. So yes it's very early but there are just too many indications that this is going to be a crappy defense cause guys seem to be out of position.

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[quote=skinsfan69;740177]So you think Andre Carter is a 3-4 outside backer? Nope. Yet he's one of our best pass rushers. Where has he been? Is Haynesworth a nose tackle? Nope. Is Rocky an inside backer? No. Where is Chris Wilson? Do we even have a true nose tackle? No. [B]Are Hall and Rogers zone corners?[/B] No. So yes it's very early but there are just too many indications that this is going to be a crappy defense cause guys seem to be out of position.[/quote]


I agreed with everything you said except this. Corners have to be able to play zone and man period. That is what a corner does. Either you can play corner or you can't. Hall and Rogers can play corner. The scheme needs to be adjusted because they are getting beat and it isn't their fault most of the time.

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Green Bay got off to a rough start last year while transitioning to the 3-4 and ended up alright by the end of the year. Gotta give things time.

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[quote=Angry;740180]I agreed with everything you said except this. Corners have to be able to play zone and man period. That is what a corner does. Either you can play corner or you can't. Hall and Rogers can play corner. The scheme needs to be adjusted because they are getting beat and it isn't their fault most of the time.[/quote]

They're both playing like shit. Who were those scrubs that were beating them yesterday?? What about letting Walter go off last week? I think they need to let them play more bump and run and let them be athletes.