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Im not a big fan of Portis, but I cant deny his pass blocking abilities. He has saved the QB from a big hit many many times. I think he has a place on our team but we need a new leader at RB IMO

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[quote=irish;741068]I just dont understand why everyone wants to blame the coaches when its the players that just arent good enough. They have never done anything yet fans still seem to think they arent the reason this team isnt winning. The Skins just arent a very talented team and wont be for awhile.[/quote]

Our top guys outside of McNabb..... CP, Cooley, Moss, Rabach, Dock, Sellers, Rogers, Hall, Fletch, Goldston, Rocky, Carter... We've had them for a while and they're solid players, but none of them are great and there isn't anything behind them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;741333]Our top guys outside of McNabb..... CP, Cooley, Moss, Rabach, Dock, Sellers, Rogers, Hall, Fletch, Goldston, Rocky, Carter... We've had them for a while and they're solid players, but none of them are great and there isn't anything behind them.[/quote]

Outside of McNabb and Cooley, I'm not sure any of the others would be starters on top teams.

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[quote=irish;741337]Outside of McNabb and Cooley, I'm not sure any of the others would be starters on top teams.[/quote]

what? The corners, which i know everyone hates because of 1 or 2 plays a season, could easily start on 95% of teams out there. Moss is easily a number 2 WR on every team...Dock would be a starter on olines. Fletch would be a standout on any team. Rocky could be too. Sellers, Rabauch are starters, not great ones though....

If Rocky and Carlos leave after this year they will be missed, and will be more holes we have to address to go along with WR, NT, RB, multiple O-Line, DE,

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[quote=irish;741337]Outside of McNabb and Cooley, I'm not sure any of the others would be starters on top teams.[/quote]

That's just ridiculous.

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[quote=Buster;741347]That's just ridiculous.[/quote]

Its funny though.

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[quote=Chico23231;741345]what? The corners, which i know everyone hates because of 1 or 2 plays a season, could easily start on 95% of teams out there. Moss is easily a number 2 WR on every team...Dock would be a starter on olines. Fletch would be a standout on any team. Rocky could be too. Sellers, Rabauch are starters, not great ones though....

If Rocky and Carlos leave after this year they will be missed, and will be more holes we have to address to go along with WR, NT, RB, multiple O-Line, DE,[/quote]

I shouldnt have used the word starter. I should have said in the same spot as here. Keep in mind I'm talking about top teams, on other teams at the Skins level (Lions, Rams, Raiders, Bills) they likely might hold the same top spots. Moss would be a #2 elsewhere but he's a #1 here. Fletch would be a nice player on other good teams but here he's the man. The lineman and CBs would also contribute but not be the top dogs they are here. I really dont think any other team would have a roster spot for Sellers.

Of course if any of those players leaves the Skins they will be missed because the Skins really dont have anyone ready to step in and take their place and IMO, thats the biggest problem of them all.

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[quote=Buster;741347]That's just ridiculous.[/quote]

Then how come we don't win with these guys? We're coming off a 4-12 season and just lost to the worst team in the league.

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The Bills, Lions, Browns, Panthers, and maybe even the Raiders are all worse than the Rams.

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[quote=Mattyk;741354]The Bills, Lions, Browns, Panthers, and maybe even the Raiders are all worse than the Rams.[/quote]

The Lions are worse than the Rams? Specially Rams without Jackson and their so called #1 WR "Avery?" No way! You can argue they are a tad bit better than the rest but that doesn't change the fact that the Rams are a god awful team.

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[quote=Mattyk;741354]The Bills, Lions, Browns, Panthers, and maybe even the Raiders are all worse than the Rams.[/quote]

The Rams have won 3 games in 2 years. To me it doesn't get any worse. Maybe Detriot. Oh yeah, we lost to them too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;741357]The Rams have won 3 games in 2 years. To me it doesn't get any worse. Maybe Detriot. Oh yeah, we lost to them too.[/quote]

How depressing :doh:

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No excuse for losing the way they did to the Rams. They got beat handily. So this isn't an excuse. But...what I've seen of the Rams this year is not what I've seen in the past couple of years. Bradford is legit

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[quote=skinsfan69;741353]Then how come we don't win with these guys? We're coming off a 4-12 season and just lost to the worst team in the league.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying, why do these guys keep losing if they are so good. Unfortunately the Skins are the Rams, Lions, Raiders and anyone who cant see that is dreaming or cant face facts. The Skins have a really bad case of roster rot and that isnt going to be fixed in a season or two. Its a shame how far the Skins have fallen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;741360]No excuse for losing the way they did to the Rams. They got beat handily. So this isn't an excuse. But...what I've seen of the Rams this year is not what I've seen in the past couple of years.[COLOR="Red"] Bradford is legit[/COLOR][/quote]

Colin Cowturd just said that a minute ago.
I'm starting to hear that from a lot of people.

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In that division, I wouldn't be shocked if the Rams are hanging around at the end. Nobody is running away with that.

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[quote=Mattyk;741354]The Bills, Lions, Browns, Panthers, and maybe even the Raiders are all worse than the Rams.[/quote]

We lost to the Panthers last year. Same story. Shooting ourselves in the foot. We may have talent, but we don't have guys who make plays.

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Losing to the Rams; losing to the Lions; losing to the Panthers...

The Skins' rap is that they go out and lose to the bad teams.

Well, maybe there is another way to look at this. Maybe when the Skins play one of the bad teams - - that means there are [B]two[/B] bad teams on the field. And one of them has to lose...

It is going to take more than a year to purge this roster of marginal players and replace them with guys who can play NFL caliber football at an above average level.

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Game time in a few hours. I'm in full panic mode!

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It feels like we are the Plaxicos' of the NFL. All the talent for the media to talk about but, when its time to shine we " shoot ourselves in the leg" and find our selves looking for redemption. I love my team but i just hope we get it together before im too old to remember it. HTTR! Thats my :twocents:.

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Shanny might be up for this, but what about Haslett and that 32nd rated pass defense? You can talk about emotion all day til you are blue in the face, but we have personnel deficiencies that need to be addressed, albeit in an intelligent manner and not this shoot from the hip style.

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If we win today people will be talking playoffs again. If we lose, then back to "The Sky is Falling".

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Let's not panic? Heyer is playing LT. I say we now officially have the right to panic. Trent Cole will get pressure all day and one big play will be called back on a hold.

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We need Trent back in a bad way...
Heyer is actually not doing a terrible job blocking,but his untimely Holding and false starts are killers.

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Yeah his blocking was solid but man, the penalties were getting out of hand. How many times did he get flagged? Must have been 3 or 4 at least.

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I only remember the two, but I missed the first quarter. I never have panicked, just didn't think we would win today. To be honest, if Vick would have stayed in we might not have.

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^^I think he had 1 holding and 2 false starts
flip side he's a back-up LT going against Trent Cole gave up no sacks and the running game was solid

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[quote=Mattyk;742599]Yeah his blocking was solid but man, the penalties were getting out of hand. How many times did he get flagged? Must have been 3 or 4 at least.[/quote]

If I remember right he had two holds and two false starts. One hold was inside the 5 yard line the other big penalty was the false start on 3rd and 2 during the clock killing drive.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;742604]If I remember right he had two holds and two false starts. One hold was inside the 5 yard line the other big penalty was the false start on 3rd and 2 during the clock killing drive.[/quote]

Yeah, that 3 and 2 false start was appalling....just horrible...how does that even happen...he is a pro...the game was on the line and he cant remember a snap count?...coaching should be all over him for that crap...oh yeah....dont make any excuses for him, this is fundamental.

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[quote=30gut;742603]^^I think he had 1 holding and 2 false starts
flip side he's a back-up LT going against Trent Cole gave up no sacks and the running game was solid[/quote]

Yeah, but when Trent is in at LT we have more time to throw deep. This year more then ever I'm learning how deceiving stats can be. Sure Trent gave up two sacks to Super Mario but most of the game he was giving McNabb more then enough time to throw deep and on top of that Mario didn't get any big hits on McNabb. This game however McNabb was running for his life. He was a big part of the reason McNabb had problems completing passes, and also a big part of the reason McNabb channeled 2006 Michael Vick.

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[quote=Mattyk;742599]Yeah his blocking was solid but man, the penalties were getting out of hand. How many times did he get flagged? Must have been 3 or 4 at least.[/quote]
last count......32

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[quote=Mattyk;742599]Yeah his blocking was solid but man, the penalties were getting out of hand. How many times did he get flagged? Must have been 3 or 4 at least.[/quote]

Yeah Heyer is ONLY suppose to sub in for a play or two not for a whole game.

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[quote=Mattyk;742599]Yeah his blocking was solid but man, the penalties were getting out of hand. How many times did he get flagged? Must have been 3 or 4 at least.[/quote]

As Dirtbag pointed out and I'll second it was 2 holds and 2 false starts. And his blocking isn't bad, aside from the holds. This is kinda par for the course with Heyer though, if I'm not mistaken he had at least 1 hold and a couple false starts against the Rams a week ago. He's not bad at blocking but his penalties always come at crucial moments. I really do believe if he has to go up against Clay Matthews next week Clay will get the better of him.

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Heres to hoping Trent will be back, sounds like he should be.

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[quote=mooby;742828]As Dirtbag pointed out and I'll second it was 2 holds and 2 false starts. And his blocking isn't bad, aside from the holds. This is kinda par for the course with Heyer though, if I'm not mistaken he had at least 1 hold and a couple false starts against the Rams a week ago. He's not bad at blocking but his penalties always come at crucial moments. I really do believe if he has to go up against Clay Matthews next week Clay will get the better of him.[/quote]

How many total penalties have the rest of our O-line had? I would guess maybe just 3-4 more than what Heyer has had in the past two weeks. That's pretty embarassing.

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He held the doorman and the parking lot attendant on the way to his car.........