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After the Zorn fiasco, many of us were calling for a hard-ass Head Coach. We got one. Now, are we going to complain when he shows an underachiever the door?

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Can't really argue w/ the decision. Shanny and Co clearly showed us they'll put the best player on the field. Thomas was a dud :(

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Listening to Devin Thomas and Lavar on the Fan right now.

DT said he had problems catching balls consistenly in practice and "things like that."
" " said he's really confused how got burried on the depth chart.
" " said he came in with the right attitude from the get go. Said he bulked up and put on some upper body weight. Then the team wanted him to get his weight down, he was too bulky. Said he dropped the weight, stopped lifting as often, and did what he did. But said they still seemed unhappy with him.
" " went to AZ and worked hard with McNabb; Said he came in in great shape.
" " said he knows the scheme, has the mentality. His teammates always tell him they want him on the field.

LaVar is asking is Shanny like that with everyone or does he feel singled out? DT dodging the question.

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As far as him being a party boy, well, without going into details most of these guys party pretty hard. A few I've seen out the night before a game. I don't think it's any different here than it is around the rest of the league though.

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[quote=12thMan;746513]Listening to Devin Thomas and Lavar on the Fan right now.

[B]DT said he had problems catching balls consistenly in practice and "things like that."
" " said he's really confused how got burried on the depth chart. [/B]
" " said he came in with the right attitude from the get go. Said he bulked up and put on some upper body weight. Then the team wanted him to get his weight down, he was too bulky. Said he dropped the weight, stopped lifting as often, and did what he did. But said they still seemed unhappy with him.
" " went to AZ and worked hard with McNabb; Said he came in in great shape.
" " said he knows the scheme, has the mentality. His teammates always tell him they want him on the field.

LaVar is asking is Shanny like that with everyone or does he feel singled out? DT dodging the question.[/quote]

Um....doesn't the first line kind of answer the second line?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;746476]After the Zorn fiasco, many of us were calling for a hard-ass Head Coach. We got one. Now, are we going to complain when he shows an underachiever the door?[/quote]

lol gotta love it, right?

Even Zorn wasn't comfortable with this guy. The thing that gets me is some actually seem surprised, or confused over all this.

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Lock the thread already move on they cut him it is what it is. Focus on the players that are here IMO.

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Shanahan said in his presser... DT just wasn't committed enough.

On a side note I don't think cutting DT had any effect on the team or the game. Hmmm, interesting.

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The Panthers claimed him off waivers.

[url=http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player.php?tqid=7178&type=news&nid=80840]RotoTimes.com - Devin Thomas - Panthers claim Devin Thomas[/url]

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Devin Thomas claimed by Panthers according to Adam S.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;746456]I was never much of a Shanahan fan, but after reading this article I'm beginning to like him. I love the fact that draft status means nothing to him and people like Lorenzo Alexander, Armstrong and Banks who made the team by working hard and having perseverance, are his kind of players. Shanahan is just like Gibbs.[/quote]


I LOVE how the draft status means nothing to him, i wish that trait was universal amoung coaches and owners. But i dont like how it seems kind of like that Shanny cut DT because he didnt like his personal life, or they didnt really have a lot to talk about at the water cooler.

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[quote=Mattyk;746535]The Panthers claimed him off waivers.

[url=http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player.php?tqid=7178&type=news&nid=80840]RotoTimes.com - Devin Thomas - Panthers claim Devin Thomas[/url][/quote]

My cousin is going to love that!!!!!

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granthpaulsen
Shanahan on releasing a skilled player: "This profression that we're in is not based on talent it's based on people working extremely hard."
10 minutes ago
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Adam Schefter

WR Devin Thomas claimed by the Panthers on waiversm
11 minutes ago

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Good for DT. If he can't get playing time with the Panthers....

Can we make this an avatar, Summo? I'd like to offer it for Hall-of-Fame Parrots

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[quote=SmootSmack;746545]Good for DT. If he can't get playing time with the Panthers....

Can we make this an avatar, Summo? I'd like to offer it for Hall-of-Fame Parrots

[url=http://yfrog.com/5lgw1xj]Yfrog Image : yfrog.com/5lgw1xj - Uploaded by bbanks16[/url][/quote]

Apparently sleeping in team meetings is not professional? Heck I did it all through college!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;746540]granthpaulsen
Shanahan on releasing a skilled player: "This profression that we're in is not based on talent it's based on people working extremely hard."
10 minutes ago
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Adam Schefter

WR Devin Thomas claimed by the Panthers on waiversm
11 minutes ago[/quote]

Noooo. Clausen to Thomas will be the new Manning to Wayne combo for years to come!1!!1

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[quote=mooby;746552]Noooo. Clausen to Thomas will be the new Manning to Wayne combo for years to come!1!!1[/quote]

What are they going to call it? The pickle express :)

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[quote=mooby;746552]Noooo. Clausen to Thomas will be the new Manning to Wayne combo for years to come!1!!1[/quote]

Good...hopefully they knock off the Saints or Falcons,to solidify the Redskins 1st rd bye and HMA.

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With Carolina's QB situation DT will be good for what, 1 catch a game? lol

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;746540]granthpaulsen
Shanahan on releasing a skilled player: "[B]This profression that we're in is not based on talent it's based on people working extremely hard."[/B]10 minutes ago
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Adam Schefter

WR Devin Thomas claimed by the Panthers on waiversm
11 minutes ago[/quote]

that is a load of horse s, this isn't pop warner, the reason these guys make it to the nfl is because they are talented. if every team took the hardest workers then it would be called the ufl.

we will see what happenes and it's not that i'm ticked we released him it is the fact that there is no explanation, and from all accounts it seems to be personal, that doesn't sit right with me

and if anyone thinks devin thomas is the only player to fall asleep in a meeting you are kidding yourself

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Well, wish he had had the epiphany before he was cut:
Rich Campbell

Devin Thomas: "I’m going to take that advice from Coach Shanahan about being more of a pro and I’m going to take it to Carolina with me."

Thomas on his offseason side projects: "I’m going to eliminate all those other distractions that others might think are a bad thing for me."

More Thomas: "I’m just going to focus on football and be a football player until my career is over with."
(multiple tweets)6 minutes ago

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Yeah. With our luck, he'll have a Cris Carter Moment and end up being an all-pro.

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[quote=mlmdub130;746567]that is a load of horse s, this isn't pop warner, the reason these guys make it to the nfl is because they are talented. if every team took the hardest workers then it would be called the ufl.

we will see what happenes and it's not that i'm ticked we released him it is the fact that there is no explanation, and from all accounts it seems to be personal, that doesn't sit right with me

and if anyone thinks devin thomas is the only player to fall asleep in a meeting you are kidding yourself[/quote]

Yeah! Shanahan saying he was cut because he wasn't professional enough in his approach to the game isn't an explanation. Clearly he hates NFL players who have been in Fantasia music videos, first he cut Larry Johnson and now Devin Thomas. The evidence is right in front of our eyes!

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Devin Thomas is now a Panther per Adam Schefter on twitter now he can play for a really bad team and possibly get some playing time lol

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[quote=mooby;746572]Yeah! Shanahan saying he was cut because he wasn't professional enough in his approach to the game isn't an explanation. Clearly he hates NFL players who have been in Fantasia music videos, first he cut Larry Johnson and now Devin Thomas. The evidence is right in front of our eyes![/quote]

well lj had his shot and sucked asshole and was terrible all preseason but he was a "hard worker" and "looked good at practice". devin never had a shot at all with d mac at qb and who knows what could have happened he could have s the bed or he could have had a 100 yrd 5 catch game, my beef is we will never know cause shanny didn't like him.

you can say all you want about hard work being a pro blah blah blah, if you can ball you call ball, and shanny basically said in his presser devin has the talent to be a good wr in the nfl but doesn't have the work ethic. guess what thats half the wr's in the nfl they r divas for the most part. sure you have your andre johnsons and your larry fitzgeralds, but you also have you t.o.'s your ocho cinco's, your plaxico's.

only time will tell, i just can't beleive how many people were in love w devin and now all of a sudden he is garabge that can't make an nfl team. there is a reason he was signed 5 minutes after he cleared waivers.

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[quote=mlmdub130;746580]well lj had his shot and sucked asshole and was terrible all preseason but he was a "hard worker" and "looked good at practice". devin never had a shot at all with d mac at qb and who knows what could have happened he could have s the bed or he could have had a 100 yrd 5 catch game, my beef is we will never know cause shanny didn't like him.

you can say all you want about hard work being a pro blah blah blah, if you can ball you call ball, and shanny basically said in his presser devin has the talent to be a good wr in the nfl but doesn't have the work ethic. guess what thats half the wr's in the nfl they r divas for the most part. sure you have your andre johnsons and your larry fitzgeralds, but you also have you t.o.'s your ocho cinco's, your plaxico's.

only time will tell, i just can't beleive how many people were in love w devin and now all of a sudden he is garabge that can't make an nfl team. there is a reason he was signed 5 minutes after he cleared waivers.[/quote]

I don't think anybody is saying DT isn't talented enough to play at wideout. You're just going to have to accept the fact that Mike Shanahan demands more from his players besides just having the talent to play football. If DT goes on to have a great career with Carolina then so be it. Or if his problems catch up with him and John Fox doesn't like how he prepares for the games he might not last the season.

I would've loved to see DT pan out here. But "iffy hands" is a quote I've heard about him often and when you combine that with his questionable work attitude that was enough to make him lose his spot. It wasn't like Shanny didn't give him a chance. He had several months to improve his standing on the team and didn't do it.

And you're kidding yourself if you don't think that T.O. and OchoCinco don't put in the work to be dominant on the field. They may be blessed with extraordinary talent but they didn't get to where they are today by half assing it in the film room.

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[quote=mooby;746584]I don't think anybody is saying DT isn't talented enough to play at wideout. You're just going to have to accept the fact that Mike Shanahan demands more from his players besides just having the talent to play football. If DT goes on to have a great career with Carolina then so be it. Or if his problems catch up with him and John Fox doesn't like how he prepares for the games he might not last the season.

I would've loved to see DT pan out here. [B]But "iffy hands" is a quote I've heard about him often and when you combine that with his questionable work attitude that was enough to make him lose his spot[/B]. It wasn't like Shanny didn't give him a chance. He had several months to improve his standing on the team and didn't do it.

And you're kidding yourself if you don't think that T.O. and OchoCinco don't put in the work to be dominant on the field. They may be blessed with extraordinary talent but they didn't get to where they are today by half assing it in the film room.[/quote]

i hear what you are saying, but after watching last season and this preseason and these first 5 games your telling me that devin thomas could not help this team more than joey galloway or roydell williams?? i have a serious issue with that, if anyone player would be the one to get the ax as of right now it should be williams, shit williams cost us about 20 yards yesterday when he made a block in that back about 10 yards behind banks.

my whole problem with this is he was never given a chance. you could see the hunger in him every time he touched the feild with special teams, i just don't know why he wasn't given an opportunity to get in there with the offense.

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[quote=mlmdub130;746590]i hear what you are saying, but after watching last season and this preseason and these first 5 games your telling me that devin thomas could not help this team more than joey galloway or roydell williams?? i have a serious issue with that, if anyone player would be the one to get the ax as of right now it should be williams, shit williams cost us about 20 yards yesterday when he made a block in that back about 10 yards behind banks.

my whole problem with this is he was never given a chance. you could see the hunger in him every time he touched the feild with special teams, [B]i just don't know why he wasn't given an opportunity to get in there with the offense[/B].[/quote]

Every coach has their own way of doing things. Some coaches (aka not Mike Shanahan) will put a guy on the field despite attitude problems and questionable work ethic if he feels that guy is better than his other options.

Shanny on the other hand would rather let the less talented but harder working players play as their reward for being hard workers. It's the way it is, and you're probably not going to find many guys that agree with you. And besides, does it matter as long as we continue to win games? Winning games is the bottom line.

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Panthers are sooooo turrible in WR depth that Thomas is clearly better than anyone else they have.

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[quote=mooby;746594]Every coach has their own way of doing things. Some coaches (aka not Mike Shanahan) will put a guy on the field despite attitude problems and questionable work ethic if he feels that guy is better than his other options.

[B]Shanny on the other hand would rather let the less talented but harder working players play as their reward for being hard workers[/B]. It's the way it is, and you're probably not going to find many guys that agree with you. And besides, does it matter as long as we continue to win games? Winning games is the bottom line.[/quote]

that, to me, makes zero sense. someone once said or yelled "you play to win the game". not hand out gold stars for effort

as long as we keep wininng it really doesn't matter, even though i may have a heart attack before i turn 28. winning is the bottom line, but f are we cutting it close this year. you realize that we have won/lost every game this year on the last play(i know, i'm pretending that game didn't happen)

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[quote=mlmdub130;746590]i hear what you are saying, but after watching last season and this preseason and these first 5 games your telling me that devin thomas could not help this team more than joey galloway or roydell williams?? i have a serious issue with that, if anyone player would be the one to get the ax as of right now it should be williams, shit williams cost us about 20 yards yesterday when he made a block in that back about 10 yards behind banks.

my whole problem with this is he was never given a chance. you could see the hunger in him every time he touched the feild with special teams,[B] i just don't know why he wasn't given an opportunity to get in there with the offense.[/B][/quote]

Because he drops a lot of balls?

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It could be that even though he practices hard, he does not pay enough attention to certain elements in his play. It's like when I practiced piano. Before I got a good teacher, all I did was just tried to learn the notes haphazardly. After I got a good teacher, I learn some little tricks to address "hiccups" and facilitate memorizing the music. It could be that Thomas just kept on not addressing the little things even after McCardell came along to coach him up.

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I wanted DT to succeed. I did. But, I can point to any number of moments where he had the opportunity to become THE guy, and he hasn't. If he does in Carolina, then oh well. He won't be the first or last guy to get cut, only to go somewhere else and succeed. He has had 3 training camps in which we needed a receiver to step up. He didn't. We have had two coaching staffs, one of whom was desparate for him to step up. He didn't. He had 36 regular season games to come in and knock the socks off the coach, 40 catches and 445 yds later -- He didn't.

Did anyone look at that catch by Armstrong yesterday or last week, and say - Man, DT would have done that! I didn't. Did anyone see Galloway's comeback to start moving the chains and think - DT has done that. I didn't.

I don't know why Roydell Williams is here, but the fact that DT didn't surpass him, to me says far more about him than about a HC who has made a living turning players into PLAYERS. I'll hold my tongue on MS' ego, but right now, we need players who want to play the game, and not athletes who want to play their games.

Good luck DT, shame you couldn't be what we all thought you could be.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;746540]granthpaulsen
Shanahan on releasing a skilled player: "This profession that we're in is not based on talent [B]it's based on people working extremely hard.[/B]"
10 minutes ago
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Adam Schefter

WR Devin Thomas claimed by the Panthers on waiversm
11 minutes ago[/quote]

Kinda says it all right there. I mean what else does Shanahan have to say?

Everyone is talented in the NFL, but what separates the good from the great is hard work. Thomas obviously wasn't working hard enough, according to Shanahan.

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You guys complaining are really funny! Shanahan is exactly right in saying he'd rather have less talented guys who work hard on his team. The Redskins of the 80's were probably not the most talented team on the field, but they worked hard and we hail them as being the players of the glory years of this team.

Devin Thomas just didn't cut it. Learn to live with it and accept it. We have the coach we have desperately needed for years, even during the Gibbs II era (and it really pains me to say that!) So far, give me a team full of Anthony Armstrongs over a team of Devin Thomas' any day of the week.

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Bottom line here is Shanny is continuing to run this team on a few principles and cutting a guy like DT reinforces some of them.

* You practice and play hard -- nobody is safe.
* You buy into what we're doing here -- no prima donnas
* I'm the boss, and my word is law

etc.

Not that I'm comparing the two guys, but does anyone think that an old school coach like Lombardi would have put up with Haynesworth pouting or DT loafing? I don't think so.

Hell, Belichick just traded away Randy Moss, who is arguably one of the best ever to play at his position, and you have to believe there is some issue beyond salary and contract there.

Shanahan's ego may yet cause him to overreach, but what he's doing right now (IMO) is continuing to build very clear rules for this team and to enforce them, no matter how painful they may appear. You don't think cutting DT and promoting AA sends a positive message and fires up the players?

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To be clear, Shanahan never drafted DT, and he has no allegiance to him (like the previous staff, ie. Cerrato). Hopefully Shanahan will be able to draft guys he likes (ie. R.Torain) and develop & hold onto them going forward.

Shanahan is awfully consistent - he has been building HIS own team from day one.
- dump Betts/ARE/Cartwright
- dump Campbell
- dump DT
- bench AH after failing to trade him

He's also seems to have an eye for talent so far:
- Carriker, Lichtenstein (sp?)
- Armstrong
- Trent Willaims instead of Okung
- Torain

At 3-2 and 2-0 in our division, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;746595]Panthers are sooooo turrible in WR depth that Thomas is clearly better than anyone else they have.[/quote]

Steve Smith????

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Wow.


We could have been facing DT this week:

[url=http://twitter.com/daringantt/statuses/27159147190]Twitter / Darin Gantt: Per @caplannfl, the Colts ...[/url]

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Wonder if that was real interest in DT or the Colts trying to get a slim advantage over us with picking up an ex disgruntled player?