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I don't love the move, but I DO love that EVERYONE is accountable. There are no sacred cows on this team. Isn't this the exact opposite of the situation in Dallas?

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That is a really good analysis by Peter King. Overall, my perception of the whole "benching" thing is that none of us really know enough information to make an informed analysis of whether Shanahan was right or wrong. Without overwhelming evidence suggesting a judgmental error, I'm going to assume that he had good reasons for such a shocking move.

And for the record, I still am not buying into this whole "Shanahan ego" thing. He's the head coach. He can't let himself be pushed around. You can argue whether Haynesworth should have played against Indy, and that the McNabb benching cost us the game (which it didn't, our OL was terrible), but I would much rather "give up" a couple games in the short term if it maintains the players' respect and enforces discipline for the rest of Shanahan's time in Washington.

It's easy to blame the coach, but I have confidence in what Shanahan is doing. He's the only HC that has looked like he has a plan in over a decade.

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[quote=Mattyk;754729]After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?[/quote]I think that they just believe that Grossman is a lot better than he is. Therefore, it was a strategic alternative to replace an ineffective McNabb with a sound backup in Rex Grossman.

Rex Grossman, of course, is the kind of player that helps your roster look good on paper, but isn't actually valuable to the team in a backup role where he has to play. Sort of like Jon Kitna.

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[quote=Mattyk;754729]After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?[/quote]

I don't think you wait until the 2 minute warning to decide and send a msg to your QB. I just think it was a poor decision.

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[quote=GTripp0012;754740]I think that they just believe that Grossman is a lot better than he is. Therefore, it was a strategic alternative to replace an ineffective McNabb with a sound backup in Rex Grossman.

Rex Grossman, of course, is the kind of player that helps your roster look good on paper, but isn't actually valuable to the team in a backup role where he has to play. Sort of like Jon Kitna.[/quote]

So do you buy Shanahan's reasoning that Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;754696]Not that I support the benching of McNabb but our offense only scored 19 points today. The other 6 came from Banks. On top of that last week we only managed 10 points though it should have been 13 (still way below what the numbers we should be putting up). Red Zone offense and 3rd down conversions is in need of a huge overhaul. And before you blame the receivers remember we have two guys playing at a pro bowl level. Thats two more then a lot of teams out there.[/quote]

Yeah I realize that, but who knows how the other 16 teams got their points. Those teams' points could have come from units other than offense, so for comparison, we must look at the team total. It's a team effort and 25 points is enough to win the majority of games. It doesn't mean everything, but it means something. So, take it for what it's worth.

Yeah, McNabb can do better, but 210/1/1 (and 45 yards rushing) should be enough to win a game.

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Our D wasn't so hot either. I think it was just a bad game all round. I also think Shanny showed some frustration. The bye will do us good.

What is nice to see is that we do have some real talent out there. Home grown regular guys that are playing way above expectations. We need more of that from some of the others.

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[quote=Mattyk;754747]So do you buy Shanahan's reasoning that Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better?[/quote]


I willing to bet in this offense KS's from Houston Grossman knows it better then McNabb.

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I think this sends a horrible message to the team, Matty. Yeah, Shanny pulled Mac because he was stinking up the joint, but this has been an ongoing narrative with Shanny, which is more troubling than the fact that McNabb got yanked; that Shanahan is in charge, no questions asked. I get that the head coach is the leader and that the Redskins were in need of a culture change, but is this the change we wanted?

Just to be clear, I'm taking Shanahan over Zorn everyday of the week. Still I have my questions. How did Jim Zorn get more out of Fred Davis, serious talent, than Mike Shanahan? How did Jim Zorn get more production, albeit not very much, out of Devin Thomas than the vaunted Shanahan offensive system? For all the talk about the offensive line being worse off last year than this year, man, I don't know about that either. Save Trent Williams, it looks like we've taken a step backwards.

Shanahan took a huge risk by alienating his franchise quarterback and undermining future contract negotiations. Donovan looked off yesterday, in fact he's looked off the past three weeks. My biggest fear is that this may breach the relationship and that we're about to see yet another second round pick and the next 3-4 years flushed down the toilet.

By the way, Kyle Shanahan has been underwhelming thus far.

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[quote=12thMan;754756]I think this sends a horrible message to the team, Matty. Yeah, Shanny pulled Mac because he was stinking up the joint, but this has been an ongoing narrative with Shanny, which is more troubling than the fact that McNabb got yanked; that Shanahan is in charge, no questions asked. I get that the head coach is the leader and that the Redskins were in need of a culture change, but is this the change we wanted?

Just to be clear, I'm taking Shanahan over Zorn everyday of the week. Still I have my questions. How did Jim Zorn get more out of Fred Davis, serious talent, than Mike Shanahan? How did Jim Zorn get more production, albeit not very much, out of Devin Thomas than the vaunted Shanahan offensive system? For all the talk about the offensive line being worse off last year than this year, man, I don't know about that either. Save Trent Williams, it looks like we've taken a step backwards.

Shanahan took a huge risk by alienating his franchise quarterback and undermining future contract negotiations. Donovan looked off yesterday, in fact he's looked off the past three weeks. My biggest fear is that this may breach the relationship and that we're about to see yet another second round pick and the next 3-4 years flushed down the toilet.

By the way, Kyle Shanahan has been underwhelming thus far.[/quote]

I have never liked the fact that his son is running the O or anypart of the team for that matter. How the hell do you fire your son if they suck at their job?

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[quote=12thMan;754756]I think this sends a horrible message to the team, Matty. Yeah, Shanny pulled Mac because he was stinking up the joint, but this has been an ongoing narrative with Shanny, which is more troubling than the fact that McNabb got yanked; that Shanahan is in charge, no questions asked. I get that the head coach is the leader and that the Redskins were in need of a culture change, but is this the change we wanted?

Just to be clear, I'm taking Shanahan over Zorn everyday of the week. Still I have my questions. How did Jim Zorn get more out of Fred Davis, serious talent, than Mike Shanahan? How did Jim Zorn get more production, albeit not very much, out of Devin Thomas than the vaunted Shanahan offensive system? For all the talk about the offensive line being worse off last year than this year, man, I don't know about that either. Save Trent Williams, it looks like we've taken a step backwards.

Shanahan took a huge risk by alienating his franchise quarterback and undermining future contract negotiations. Donovan looked off yesterday, in fact he's looked off the past three weeks. My biggest fear is that this may breach the relationship and that we're about to see yet another second round pick and the next 3-4 years flushed down the toilet.

By the way, Kyle Shanahan has been underwhelming thus far.[/quote]

This is absolutely the change we needed. In fact I'm kinda baffled that we're even having this discussion.

I've got zero issues with Shanahan being in complete control. Do we even need to bring up the way it was before?

I don't necessarily agree with benching McNabb, but at the same time I'm more than willing to admit I don't have all the facts necessary to properly judge it. As an outsider it's easy to blast the move, but Shanahan obviously had his reasons and I'm sure we'll never know what they were exactly.

The only reason Zorn got anything out of Davis was because Cooley went down. Remember that Davis had issues picking up his offense, and he's reportedly had similar issues picking up this one too.

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First of all, I didn't agree with Shanahan's decision to pull McNabb, I think it was a stupid move.

Second of all, there are a lot of factors as to why the Redskins lost yesterday and haven't been as exciting to watch on offense as what we had hoped. You would had to have been deaf, dumb, and blind not to see how horrible the OL played yesterday. And it hasn't been just yesterday. That group has been declining the past few weeks. Rebach needs to be replaced, and Stephon Heyer is trash. Honestly, the only guy on the front line that is worth staying is Trent Williams.

Thirdly, we are down to Williams in the backfield? A rookie? Our third string RB? While I am very high on Torrain, we really miss Portis' pass protection! I would say that Clinton Portis is probably the best pass blocking RB in the game.

Fourthly, Not sure why Kyle Shanahan isn't going max protection (maybe he just doesn't feel like he has the personnel to do it) but it seems to me that it would be in the best interest to go max protect and switch to a shorter passing game...something that Donovan was used to in Philly. Maybe they will work on this during the bye? I think Kyle can be a great offensive mind, but he's calling some boneheaded plays too.

Fifthly, dumb stupid penalties and mistakes at the wrong time. I would say more times than not, despite the offensive woes this team has been having, the team beats themselves. The penalty on the field goal try, the holding penalties, the false starts, etc....all penalties that have to do with playing undisciplined. I can understand having to hold every now and then (with hopes of getting away with it) to keep from your QB getting killed, but that isn't always the case with these calls.

Sixth, I really have to give praise and chastisement of the defense. They play really solid and they are starting to make big plays. Having a plus ratio in turnovers is awesome, but they just can't seem to come up with the big play when they need it the most. How can a second year QB throw a pass to a double covered WR in the end zone on fourth down? However, overall, the defense has looked pretty solid and I think they will continue to improve.

Lastly (I know, thank God, right?) Donavon McNabb. I understand that he is learning a new system, but it doesn't matter what system you are in. You see a wide open receiver, you throw it to him. He's been overthrowing and under throwing wide open guys every game. So many times he could have hit a quick home run strike and he would miss the WR's. That is on McNabb. Has nothing to do with pass protection or a new scheme. He's a pro bowl player and I don't believe that this system is so different that he doesn't know it by now. I expect him to make a few mistakes, but please don't talk about it being a new system. Either those Philly fans were right about McNabb, or there is some other underlying issue that we have not been made aware of. But, I will say, benching McNabb yesterday was stupid. You live and die by him, he's your QB for the long haul. No QB is going to win you very many games behind that OL right now. Those are just facts. Tom Brady would be like Ryan Leaf behind this OL right now. So, don't put all of the blame on DM. At the same time, don't think he gets a free pass either. He has just as much work to do as everybody else on the team.

Right now, you win and lose as a team. And the Redskins are finding ways to lose as a team. Eliminate those stupid mistakes and that alone can take you quite far. I'm just hoping KS will come up with some quicker modification of the offense while our OL is trash.

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All other discussions about whether or not it's specifically his fault or his being benched aside, I think everyone can agree that McNabb has looked like shit this year with the exception of the Houston game.

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My growing problem with Mike Shanahan, a fine coach in his own right, is that he seems so inflexible. I remember a few years back, Tom Couglin had this bad ass approach. Fining guys left and right, benching players, all sorts of shit. The players didn't to it too kindly and it affected their record. The following season he eased up a bit and eventually the Giants went on to win a Super Bowl. At the beginning of the season Andy Reid was married to Kevin Kolb as the future of the franchise, a couple of weeks later he had to rethink that and let Michael Vick be Michael Vick.

I just don't see that type of introspection with this regime and I don't think you can get a team to a championship in this day and age with that type of coaching philosophy.

Funny, I'm bitching about Shanny in a McNabb thread. LOL

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I think the breakdown Tim Ryan did during the game outlining the difference between this offense and Philly's was very good. In Philly McNabb read short to long in his progressions, here it's the opposite. In Philly it was all about short quick throws, here the plays take a lot longer to develop.

Yes he's had plenty of bad throws that you can't blame on the system, but you can definitely see he's not comfortable out there, so like it or not, the system "excuse" is a very valid one in my book.

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[quote=12thMan;754765]My growing problem with Mike Shanahan, a fine coach in his own right, is that he seems so inflexible. I remember a few years back, Tom Couglin had this bad ass approach. Fining guys left and right, benching players, all sorts of shit. The players didn't to it too kindly and it affected their record. The following season he eased up a bit and eventually the Giants went on to win a Super Bowl. At the beginning of the season Andy Reid was married to Kevin Kolb as the future of the franchise, a couple of weeks later he had to rethink that and let Michael Vick be Michael Vick.

I just don't see that type of introspection with this regime and I don't think you can get a team to a championship in this day and age with that type of coaching philosophy.

Funny, I'm bitching about Shanny in a McNabb thread. LOL[/quote]

Coughlin is still a hard ass and never stopped being one IMO -- the team just finally submitted (and would actually show up on time to meetings and whatnot) and they won a SB. Belichick won 3 SBs with that attitude. Shanahan won 2 SBs with that attitude. The list goes on, and these guys didn't learn what they know from just any old place or person.

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[quote=12thMan;754765]My growing problem with Mike Shanahan, a fine coach in his own right, is that he seems so inflexible. I remember a few years back, Tom Couglin had this bad ass approach. Fining guys left and right, benching players, all sorts of shit. The players didn't to it too kindly and it affected their record. The following season he eased up a bit and eventually the Giants went on to win a Super Bowl. At the beginning of the season Andy Reid was married to Kevin Kolb as the future of the franchise, a couple of weeks later he had to rethink that and let Michael Vick be Michael Vick.

I just don't see that type of introspection with this regime and I don't think you can get a team to a championship in this day and age with that type of coaching philosophy.

Funny, I'm bitching about Shanny in a McNabb thread. LOL[/quote]

Shanahan is nowhere near the hard ass that Coughlin used to be, or even is now. I really don't see the comparison. Shanahan is known as being a players coach.

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[quote=skinsguy;754762]But, I will say, benching McNabb yesterday was stupid. You live and die by him, [B]he's your QB for the long haul.[/B] No QB is going to win you very many games behind that OL right now.

[/quote]

Gotta disagree with this. Who says he's our QB for the long haul? He's played like garbage this year. He's only under contract through the end of this year. There's a very uncertain labor situation going into next year. He's 34 years old right now. Looking at all of that information, why would you declare him "here for the long haul?"

The reason is that we gave up a 2nd round pick and that he "used" to be good when he played for the Eagles. The problem with that reasoning is that you can't worry about that 2nd rounder, it's already gone and it's not coming back. Compounding the mistake by re-signing a guy who is a bad fit in this offense makes no sense at this point. You really have to look at the situation as a "what is" not a "what should/could/would be." McNabb has been a below average qb this year. That's what he is RIGHT NOW. If that changes before the end of the year, great. But if not, we'll move forward with someone new. Dude's been here 6 months, we're not committed to anyone for the "long haul" yet.

Also... we're a .500 ball club at the bye, and we've been winning in spite of our offense. The defense is handling the transition to the 3-4 better than we could have expected, especially given the lack of ideal personnel with which to run it. Special teams has been a huge improvement. Things could be much worse.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;754771]Gotta disagree with this. Who says he's our QB for the long haul? He's played like garbage this year. He's only under contract through the end of this year. There's a very uncertain labor situation going into next year. He's 34 years old right now. Looking at all of that information, why would you declare him "here for the long haul?"

The reason is that we gave up a 2nd round pick and that he "used" to be good when he played for the Eagles. The problem with that reasoning is that you can't worry about that 2nd rounder, it's already gone and it's not coming back. Compounding the mistake by re-signing a guy who is a bad fit in this offense makes no sense at this point. You really have to look at the situation as a "what is" not a "what should/could/would be." McNabb has been a below average qb this year. That's what he is RIGHT NOW. If that changes before the end of the year, great. But if not, we'll move forward with someone new. Dude's been here 6 months, we're not committed to anyone for the "long haul" yet.

Also... we're a .500 ball club at the bye, and we've been winning in spite of our offense. Things could be much worse.[/quote]

If anything we should be pretty damn happy we didn't give him a long term deal the second he walked in the door. We've got an easy out with him if things don't turn around. Sure it would suck to lose those picks, but thankfully we're not tied down with him.

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[quote=Mattyk;754747]So do you buy Shanahan's reasoning that Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better?[/quote]

I buy it. And it's troubling. I mentioned earlier in this thread the fact that McNabb hasn't had to learn a new offensive system since his rookie year over a decade ago. Can't teach an old dog.... I dunno. But he's obviously having a tough time grasping the offense- reportedly tougher than the Shanahan's expected. Couple that with weak receivers, a weak line, and 2nd-3rd string type RBs. Well, there you go. Our offense is pretty bad.

Like you said- he and Kyle need to lock themselves in a room together during the bye and get on the same page.

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I UNDERSTAND the reason Shanny chose Grossman over McNabb. He's more efficient in the system, been in it a year longer. McNabb IS still transitioning into this offense and his accuracy has been on and off. Earlier in the game, they showed a graphic comparing the progressions in the Philly offense and this one, they are complete polar opposites. I'm not saying I agree with it though.

However, McNabb still as the arm to get us down the field quickly. I would have rather taken a chance with Donovan.

I thought he was hurt, because that Detroit D was pounding him all day. They did the same to Rex. Neither QB would have had a chance on that last play. McNabb may have held onto the ball, but he was going down too.


As for the season, we're at 4 wins after 8 weeks. It took 16 to get 4 wins last season. We're on the right track. I expected a transition season. We'll be better in the second half I believe, but even if we finish 8-8, it would be HUGE progress and we could be optimistic for the second season.

Remember, we've changed literally EVERYTHING. It's not going to be easy.

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I don't buy the 2 minute thing at all. One season in Houston where he played in 1 game, and we're supposed to believe he's better equipped to handle things over a guy like McNabb with his resume? Good one Shanny but I'm selling that one.

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[quote=Mattyk;754729]After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?[/quote]

To me it really doesn't matter whether he's studying his ass off or not. He's just not consistent enough on a down to down basis. Bottom line is who trades a QB WITHIN THE DIVISION if they think he's going to come back and hurt them? Philly knew and once again we've been had on a trade. You wouldn't see Tom Brady getting traded to the Jets or Miami.

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[quote=Mattyk;754776]I don't buy the 2 minute thing at all. One season in Houston where he played in 1 game, and we're supposed to believe he's better equipped to handle things over a guy like McNabb with his resume? Good one Shanny but I'm selling that one.[/quote]

Well, to be fair McNabb has never really been a late-game clutch kind of guy. And saying Grossman is better at a 2 minute drill doesn't necessarily mean he's better equipped to manage the entire offense. 2 minute offense is a totally separate section of the playbook that has it's own segment of practice every week. Maybe Grossman is better during that portion? I don't know.

One way or another, McNabb got straight up benched, regardless of the reason.

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[quote=Mattyk;754729]After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?[/quote]

That's a fair question. McNabb hasn't exactly had to study his own playbook very hard for a long time. He's had a grasp on Reid's offense for years. Maybe he felt like he'd pick it up with no problem. But it's week freaking 8 and he's been a starting QB in this league for 11 years. No excuses. If he realized after week 1 or 2 that he didn't have a grasp, efforts should have been doubled immediately.

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[quote=skinsfan69;754778]To me it really doesn't matter whether he's studying his ass off or not. He's just not consistent enough on a down to down basis. Bottom line is who trades a QB WITHIN THE DIVISION if they think he's going to come back and hurt them? Philly knew and once again we've been had on a trade. You wouldn't see Tom Brady getting traded to the Jets or Miami.[/quote]

The sad part is that we could have used that 2nd rounder on a C or G, I also wanted to keep Campbell. McNabb so far has proven to be inconsistent whether it's due to learning new system, shitty OL or being washed up or all of the above. I'll give McNabb a chance to finish the season and then assess were he fits with the team or doesn't. Right now we don't have anyone who is better.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;754771]Gotta disagree with this. Who says he's our QB for the long haul? He's played like garbage this year. He's only under contract through the end of this year. There's a very uncertain labor situation going into next year. He's 34 years old right now. Looking at all of that information, why would you declare him "here for the long haul?"

The reason is that we gave up a 2nd round pick and that he "used" to be good when he played for the Eagles. The problem with that reasoning is that you can't worry about that 2nd rounder, it's already gone and it's not coming back. Compounding the mistake by re-signing a guy who is a bad fit in this offense makes no sense at this point. [B]You really have to look at the situation as a "what is" not a "what should/could/would be." McNabb has been a below average qb this year. That's what he is RIGHT NOW. If that changes before the end of the year, great. But if not, we'll move forward with someone new. Dude's been here 6 months, we're not committed to anyone for the "long haul" yet.[/B]

Also... we're a .500 ball club at the bye, and we've been winning in spite of our offense. The defense is handling the transition to the 3-4 better than we could have expected, especially given the lack of ideal personnel with which to run it. Special teams has been a huge improvement. Things could be much worse.[/quote]

I totally believe the coaching staff and FO are using the same rationale, and personally I think it's great. I don't agree with the timing of the McNabb benching, and from my ignorant perspective I think McNabb is better than Grossman. However, although we haven't necessarily seen it yet, it seems this coaching staff and FO is willing to admit when they make a mistake, and that's nice.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;754783]The sad part is that we could have used that 2nd rounder on a C or G, I also wanted to keep Campbell. McNabb so far has proven to be inconsistent whether it's due to learning new system, shitty OL or being washed up or all of the above. I'll give McNabb a chance to finish the season and then assess were he fits with the team or doesn't. Right now we don't have anyone who is better.[/quote]

I'd start Grossman. I'm so over McNabb. I know he doesn't have a line but I've never seen an NFL QB so inaccurate in my life. Brady is throwing to two rookie TE's, Deion Branch, Bradon Tate, and some RB that got cut by the Jets yet he's making it happen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;754789]I'd start Grossman. I'm so over McNabb. I know he doesn't have a line but I've never seen an NFL QB so inaccurate in my life. Brady is throwing to two rookie TE's, Deion Branch, Bradon Tate, and some RB that got cut by the Jets yet he's making it happen.[/quote]

That's the difference between Brady and McNabb, one is great the other one isn't.

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Also Brady isn't on his ass every other play

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I thought Donovan was a significant upgrade, but I never believed for a minute that he would be the starter any more than 2 years with his age and injury history...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;754797]I thought Donovan was a significant upgrade, but I never believed for a minute that he would be the starter any more than 2 years with his age and injury history...[/quote]Yeah, and to be honest, 2 years seemed like a best case scenario. He may have 3-5 years left as a quarterback in this league I'm sure, but we didn't trade a 2nd and 3rd round pick for "a guy who is a quarterback in this league."

We obviously wanted the old, classic Donovan McNabb, but 8 games in, it's clear we're never going to get that player no matter how much money you throw at him. The bigger question is, what will we have if we keep him on a franchise tender, and is he worth it?

We've got 8 games to figure it out, plus a playoff game if we can beat the Eagles out for 2nd in this division.

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You know, this thread is stupid and should be closed. It makes as much sense as pulling McNabb in the last three minutes of the game.

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I think that regardless of what happens after this year, we need to keep McNabb on board. I feel like the contract negotiations taking so long are more dependent on the labor situation than McNabb's performance, but even if we draft a rookie QB next year, I think it would be good to keep him on the bench and stay with McNabb for a year or two. This is assuming his level of play remains the same for the rest of this year.

I'm hoping that this benching serves as a wake up call, and that he really does begin to work harder to understand the offense. I think that if we add another couple necessary pieces to our offensive line, and mcnabb puts some more work in, we can have a vastly improved offense with mcnabb at the helm next year.

Whenever an offense suffers, it's so easy to put all the blame on the quarterback, but to get rid of McNabb would be a mistake.

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I'm just tired of us bringing in all these older guys for draft picks...it's not just McNabb but Brown looks like it was a bad move, so there's more draft picks. When is someone going to come in here and stop trading away picks for old guys??? I was watching the Pats yesterday and the guy that was filling in for Buck said that NE has two 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks in next year's draft and they're playing ALL YOUNG GUYS on defense. I want someone from their front office here....Oh yeah, KC got him and they're now in 1st place in the AFC West.

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Listening to Trent Dilfer discuss the matter today. He explained that naturally the McNabb benching had nothing to do with Grossman being more adept in the two minute drill (although he did point out that DM is avg at best at game end and in critical situations across his career?) and all about sending DM a message.
Here we are at the Bye and it is an opportune time to work on DM's footwork and motion as the coaching staff has been asking of him. He has apparently...to date refused.
As can readily be seen, DM is not having an....exceptional year and the coaches would like that to improve.
I have no doubt this is essentially true. I am not surprised by this....and don't disagree
AND on the day before election day.....[B]HOG1 supports this message[/B]

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[quote=skinsfan69;754813]I'm just tired of us bringing in all these older guys for draft picks...it's not just McNabb but Brown looks like it was a bad move, so there's more draft picks. When is someone going to come in here and stop trading away picks for old guys??? I was watching the Pats yesterday and the guy that was filling in for Buck said that NE has two 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks in next year's draft and they're playing ALL YOUNG GUYS on defense. I want someone from their front office here....Oh yeah, KC got him and they're now in 1st place in the AFC West.[/quote]
It always easy to look good with Brady, for that matter Manning. Both teams are considered the best talent evaluaters in football. Show me how they replace those two, and then I will judge how great they are.

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Wow, I am sad to say the state of Redskins fans. I can't believe a whopping 17 percent of people here think the benching was the correct move.

This is what happens when Dan calls the shots and makes changes often. Fans expect sudden and stupid change.

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[quote=hooskins;754828]Wow, I am sad to say the state of Redskins fans. I can't believe a whopping 17 percent of people here think the benching was the correct move.

This is what happens when Dan calls the shots and makes changes often. Fans expect sudden and stupid change.[/quote]If 5/6 think that the benching was wrong, I think that qualifies as a vast majority. Any further over that might just be evidence of group think, and absence of logical thought.

I think the poll shows that a majority of Redskins fans feel their shiny new head coach made a poor, but critical, decision. That's a fairly landmark outcome for a deeply-rooted fanbase such as this one.

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[quote=hooskins;754828]Wow, I am sad to say the state of Redskins fans. I can't believe a whopping 17 percent of people here think the benching was the correct move.

This is what happens when Dan calls the shots and makes changes often. Fans expect sudden and stupid change.[/quote]

Yep.

Fans expecting playoffs this year or next are a little unrealistic based on our roster. We have MAJOR needs in a lot of areas. Only several good drafts can address those needs. Several good drafts.

Remember our shi*** led team has not drafted for quality or quanity over the last 10 years+. It catches up w/ you sooner or later.