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[quote=firstdown;756301]So your not at work when you post here. LOL[/quote]

Aren't most of us during the daytime posts. FRPLG's statement is exactly why most governmental responsibilities should be done at the local level. True the military can't be, but most medicare and soc.sec. could and should be. anyway, blah blah blah it ain't changin anytime soon.

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[quote=over the mountain;756274]now back to hatin ya'll![/quote]
Anyway, back to reality.

[url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/the_obama_recovery.html]American Thinker: The Obama Recovery[/url]

[url=http://online.barrons.com/article/SB60001424053111903697804575574342524585842.html?mod=rss_barrons_follow_up]Recovery Crawls, Even as Economy Avoids Double Dip - Barrons.com[/url]

Point being - Obama/Dem policies have prolonged the recession and slowed the recovery. Same as FDR's socialist policies did after the Great Depression.

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[quote=firstdown;756301]So your not at work when you post here. LOL[/quote]

Sure I am. The 10 minutes spent a day on here hardly costs us anything. I can assure you that if I wasn't on here I'd be doing something else to take a break. If the biggest issue any gov't has is making sure employees don't take breaks once in awhile then no one should be complaining about waste. Unfortunately employees needing breaks is a reality of any working environment.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;756122]New Dehli TV reports the same thing.

In light of the security situation in the region, might have been smarter to have a smaller contingent (leave Michelle at home) or have the folks from Mumbai come here where we've got far more control. India is a critical ally, but $200M a day ain't chump change.[/quote]


Is this information substantiated? I don't see anyone of note reporting on it and all is see is Daily Mail and et al quoting the ndtv who quotes Maharashtra government official. Where's the fact checking of these claims?

How much per day do our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost? How much man power and resources do we have over there? Iraq war alone cost tax payers roughly 12 billion a month. Doing simple math one arrives at expenditure of ~400 million a day. The idea that the president and his crew is spending half what we spent to wage war in Iraq is absurd. Even worse is the fact that people believe it!


Please, let's show some sanity restraint and not believe wild stories because we want to believe them. Even if 35 war ships are dispatched you have to recognize they are there to wage our wars and one can not attribute their total cost to the president's visit.

p.s. Your economic prosperity depends on mine and vice versa.

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What's funny is that the White House is denying the trip costs $200M/day, yet they won't give up the number for the actual daily price tag...

I know that all presidents travel, and it costs lots of cake to orchestrate these trips. It's just that this timing is so piss poor....

[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/04/barack-obama-india-visit-cost-claim"]Claim that Barack Obama's India visit will cost $200m a day is 'wildly inflated' | World news | The Guardian[/URL]

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[quote=FRPLG;756332]Sure I am. The 10 minutes spent a day on here hardly costs us anything. I can assure you that if I wasn't on here I'd be doing something else to take a break. If the biggest issue any gov't has is making sure employees don't take breaks once in awhile then no one should be complaining about waste. Unfortunately employees needing breaks is a reality of any working environment.[/quote]

You do know I was just joking as you kind of set yourself up for that. We can laugh every now and then.

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[quote=GMScud;756352]What's funny is that the White House is denying the trip costs $200M/day, yet they won't give up the number for the actual daily price tag...

I know that all presidents travel, and it costs lots of cake to orchestrate these trips. It's just that this timing is so piss poor....

[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/04/barack-obama-india-visit-cost-claim"]Claim that Barack Obama's India visit will cost $200m a day is 'wildly inflated' | World news | The Guardian[/URL][/quote]

Why should the White House announced how much it costs to protect the president? For what it's worth, a very similiar trip taken by Bill Clinton costs about $5.2 mil per day. This trip will probably cost the same seeing that Obama is travelling to less countries and this trip is a day shorter than Clinton's.

But what's so wrong about the timing?

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[quote=GMScud;756352]What's funny is that the White House is denying the trip costs $200M/day, yet they won't give up the number for the actual daily price tag...

I know that all presidents travel, and it costs lots of cake to orchestrate these trips. It's just that this timing is so piss poor....

[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/04/barack-obama-india-visit-cost-claim"]Claim that Barack Obama's India visit will cost $200m a day is 'wildly inflated' | World news | The Guardian[/URL][/quote]

Its also funny how the White House was so mad at how AIG employee's went on trips while excepting TARP money. They demanded account ability of tax payers money but here they sing a different tune. I don't have a problem with him going overseas I have a problem with the price tag and the amount of people he is taking.

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[quote=12thMan;756374]Why should the White House announced how much it costs to protect the president? For what it's worth, a very similiar trip taken by Bill Clinton costs about $5.2 mil per day. This trip will probably cost the same seeing that Obama is travelling to less countries and this trip is a day shorter than Clinton's.

But what's so wrong about the timing?[/quote]

Because we are paying for the trip. I'm sure your right an that estimate was 195,000,000 off per day.

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Shoutout to Nikki Haley. Although I don't support her views politically it's showing times have changed. SS knows whats up.

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Ok, all joking aside I don't really think his trip will cost 200mil per day it just fun getting you guys worked up.

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Being serious though, I think its a much needed trip. Seeing the growth of China, India is a great ally again China and the common threat of terrorism. We are quickly learning Pakistan isn't the best of allies.

India is also number 2 in GDP growth hovering around 8-10 percent a year.

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[quote=hooskins;756378]Shoutout to Nikki Haley. Although I don't support her views politically it's showing times have changed. SS knows whats up.[/quote]

Word. Happy Diwali, Sala!

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[quote=FRPLG;756297]Most local gov'ts waste a lot less money than you think. In general they are operating at a much higher efficiency than either the states or the federal gov't Remember when they come pick up your trash or you flush the toilet a local gov't is making that happen. I'd be happier if half of my taxes I pay the federal gov't went to my local gov't instead. At least there I can identify more easily what my money gets spent on. Of course I work for a local gov't so my perspective is skewed. But I know in our case there is not a lot of waste. The community around here gets a good level of service for their money.[/quote]

My local municipality (Township) just announced they have a balanced 2011 budget and there will be NO tax increases.

Then again, we elect Conservatives here.

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[quote=hooskins;756383]Being serious though, I think its a much needed trip. Seeing the growth of China, India is a great ally again China and the common threat of terrorism. We are quickly learning Pakistan isn't the best of allies.

India is also number 2 in GDP growth hovering around 8-10 percent a year.[/quote]

Yes we do need more India call centers. The company I work for uses them for agents and I raised hell in a meeting over having to work with people you cannot understand. When the regional mgr asked if anyone had any questions I raised my hand and mumbled out a question. After he asked 3 times for me to speak more clear I told him that's what we have to deal with when trying to get help. That got everyone else in the room going on about how poor the service is from India. I don't blame them I blame the company but I made my point and nothing will change.

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WTF does that have to do with call centers lol? I swear first, you make some of the most ridiculous and borderline ignorant statements.

I am only saying America is better off with India as an ally in the foreign relations and the national security realm. I am not talking about trade or the economy at all.

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[quote=hooskins;756426]WTF does that have to do with call centers lol? I swear first, you make some of the most ridiculous and borderline ignorant statements.

I am only saying America is better off with India as an ally in the foreign relations and the national security realm. I am not talking about trade or the economy at all.[/quote]

It's funny, hooskins, how you're actually pointing out one of the real reason why the president is really going, yet you have others making the trip out to be what they want it to be.

Still he'll be there attending two global economic summits; one in South Korea for the G20 and another in Japan for at G8 conference another to discuss trade and how to add jobs to our domestic economy. So yeah, he's not going there to watch fireworks.

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[quote=hooskins;756426]WTF does that have to do with call centers lol? I swear first, you make some of the most ridiculous and borderline ignorant statements.

I am only saying America is better off with India as an ally in the foreign relations and the national security realm. I am not talking about trade or the economy at all.[/quote]

Learn how to F&^%ing laugh. You don't think of call centers when you think of our business relation to India. Hell there is a sitcom about it.

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I don't see how Obama's visit is about business relations, but foreign relations.

Believe me I know where to laugh, seeing that I work for an IT consulting company. I also find it more hilarious that you think foreign relations and call centers are the same thing, or that is even the first thought that comes to your mind.

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Well a great deal of it is business oriented. A state dinner in India and two economic summits. But I'm sure, beneath the radar, foreign relations will be discussed.

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[quote=hooskins;756462]I don't see how Obama's visit is about business relations, but foreign relations.

Believe me I know where to laugh, seeing that I work for an IT consulting company. I also find it more hilarious that you think [B]foreign relations and call centers are the same thing,[/B] or that is even the first thought that comes to your mind.[/quote]

I relate India to call centers not foreign relations to call centers.

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[quote=12thMan;756374]Why should the White House announced how much it costs to protect the president? For what it's worth, a very similiar trip taken by Bill Clinton costs about $5.2 mil per day. This trip will probably cost the same seeing that Obama is travelling to less countries and this trip is a day shorter than Clinton's.

But what's so wrong about the timing?[/quote]

The White House can do whatever they want without explaining or reasoning with the public (that much is obvious at this point with this administration). As far as the timing goes, Obama leaves for this trip just one day after his party took a "shellacking" in a mid-term election that was widely viewed as a referendum on his policies (although he'd have you believe it was a communication breakdown), many of which involved spending an outlandish amount of money despite a massive economic downturn.

Not saying that some of his spending thus far wasn't necessary, but when 10% of the country is out of work and you're taking your wife and daughters on an uber-high profile trip to places like the Taj-Mahal (during election week no less)... Well... kind of a poor decision IMO. For as good a game as he talks, dude is so out of touch.

During his campaign he talked about the need for America to "tighten their belts." Then he gets put into office and spends like a lunatic, all the while taking multiple lavish vacations while his wife becomes a fashion icon wearing $300 shoes planting her garden. Way to lead by example. His talk is outstanding. His leadership is shit.

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[quote=GMScud;756558]The White House can do whatever they want without explaining or reasoning with the public (that much is obvious at this point with this administration). As far as the timing goes, Obama leaves for this trip just one day after his party took a "shellacking" in a mid-term election that was widely viewed as a referendum on his policies (although he'd have you believe it was a communication breakdown), many of which involved spending an outlandish amount of money despite a massive economic downturn.

Not saying that some of his spending thus far wasn't necessary, but when 10% of the country is out of work and you're taking your wife and daughters on an uber-high profile trip to places like the Taj-Mahal (during election week no less)... Well... kind of a poor decision IMO. For as good a game as he talks, dude is so out of touch.

During his campaign he talked about the need for America to "tighten their belts." Then he gets put into office and spends like a lunatic, all the while taking multiple lavish vacations while his wife becomes a fashion icon wearing $300 shoes planting her garden. Way to lead by example. His talk is outstanding. His leadership is shit.[/quote]

The Obama's are self made millionaires, if she's wearing $300 shoes it's because she bought them with her hard earned money. And how come you never point out the good deeds Mrs. Obama and Jill Biden are doing for our service men and women?

I remember when he went to Chicago during one of the holidays and you threw a hissy about that. He went to accept the Nobel Prize for Peace, everyone was all up in arms about the nation is going through a tough time and he should send someone else to get it. Taxpayer's dime, blah, blah.

If Obama got pushed out of a moving car, you guys would want him impeached for J walking.

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[quote=12thMan;756570]The Obama's are self made millionaires, if she's wearing $300 shoes it's because she bought them with her hard earned money. And how come you never point out the good deeds Mrs. Obama and Jill Biden are doing for our service men and women?

I remember when he went to Chicago during one of the holidays and you threw a hissy about that. He went to accept the Nobel Prize for Peace, everyone was all up in arms about the nation is going through a tough time and he should send someone else to get it. Taxpayer's dime, blah, blah.

If Obama got pushed out of a moving car, you guys would want him impeached for J walking.[/quote]

Did I ever say Michelle Obama was a bad person or did nothing charitable or beneficial? How come I never "point out" her good deeds? Why would I? Every first lady develops some sort of agenda to work with military families, or sick kids, or schools, etc etc etc. And that's great. But why on earth would I go out of my way to point that out? Sorry, I just thought it was a funny question on your part.

Look, Obama has been perceived by many as out of touch, and it's for reasons that I pointed out. Good for them for having millions. They should be able to enjoy that money. But don't do it so overtly while telling Americans to "tighten their belts." Given the financial hard times so many Americans are experiencing, maybe they should be a little more, um, I guess conservative (I know, lol). By that I mean not spending a girls week in Europe shopping, or wearing $300 shoes in the garden, or renting compounds for lavish week-long jaunts in Hawaii and Martha's Vineyard, or taking the whole family to visit the Taj-Mahal. Perception is reality.

And please don't respond with an answer pointing out how many vacations W took.

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[quote=GMScud;756582]Did I ever say Michelle Obama was a bad person or did nothing charitable or beneficial? How come I never "point out" her good deeds? Why would I? Every first lady develops some sort of agenda to work with military families, or sick kids, or schools, etc etc etc. And that's great. But why on earth would I go out of my way to point that out? Sorry, I just thought it was a funny question on your part.

Look, Obama has been perceived by many as out of touch, and it's for reasons that I pointed out. Good for them for having millions. They should be able to enjoy that money. But don't do it so overtly while telling Americans to "tighten their belts." Given the financial hard times so many Americans are experiencing, maybe they should be a little more, um, I guess conservative (I know, lol). By that I mean not spending a girls week in Europe shopping, or wearing $300 shoes in the garden, or renting compounds for lavish week-long jaunts in Hawaii and Martha's Vineyard, or taking the whole family to visit the Taj-Mahal. Perception is reality.

And please don't respond with an answer pointing out how many vacations W took.[/quote]

Me responding with how many vacations W took is just as tired as you pouncing on everything Obama does that you perceive to be out of touch.

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[quote=12thMan;756609]Me responding with how many vacations W took is just as tired as you pouncing on everything Obama does that you perceive to be out of touch.[/quote]

Just to clear the air.....are you saying the O'bama's squanderous ways are acceptable if George was squanderous as well?
OR are you saying that both are discustingly negligent and squanderous?

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[quote=Hog1;756613]Just to clear the air.....are you saying the O'bama's squanderous ways are acceptable if George was squanderous as well?
OR are you saying that both are discustingly negligent and squanderous?[/quote]

I like your point. Just like George Bush gave Bailouts, passed Stimulus bill, and his in last month of presidency, 650,000 jobs were lost and umemployment hit a twenty year high 7.6%. Just want make sure we understand 8 years of Republican Economic Policy pushed our economy into its worst era since the great depression.

Its really funny to read this thread and see this crap being spewed about jobs, econonmy, big business hoarding cash like every american household, presidential vacations, etc. [B]And how people think that this is a new problem[/B].

Its really sad. Ive heard no tangible plan from either side on how we get this under control.

Its also funny that people want to cut government and blame it, but also look to it to solve its problem....thats hilarious

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[quote=12thMan;756609]Me responding with how many vacations W took is just as tired as you pouncing on everything Obama does that you perceive to be out of touch.[/quote]

Do I really "pounce on everything?" Come on.

If I actually pounced on everything I could you'd be far more sick of me than you are.

But for fun, I'll say it's good to see that the teleprompter-in-chief will make it's debut in India's parliament. Lol.

[url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/Obama-to-use-teleprompter-for-Hindi-speech/H1-Article1-622605.aspx]Obama to use teleprompter for Hindi speech - Hindustan Times[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;756637]Do I really "pounce on everything?" Come on.

If I actually pounced on everything I could you'd be far more sick of me than you are.

But for fun, I'll say it's good to see that the [B]teleprompter-in-chief will make it's debut in India's parliament.[/B] Lol.

[URL="http://www.hindustantimes.com/Obama-to-use-teleprompter-for-Hindi-speech/H1-Article1-622605.aspx"]Obama to use teleprompter for Hindi speech - Hindustan Times[/URL][/quote]

:embarrass......sad

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So Obama is claiming to have created 50,000 so far on his trip. I bet they are in district 453699980Gt3625489893878.

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[quote=Chico23231;756618]I like your point. Just like George Bush gave Bailouts, passed Stimulus bill, and his in last month of presidency, 650,000 jobs were lost and umemployment hit a twenty year high 7.6%. Just want make sure we understand 8 years of Republican Economic Policy pushed our economy into its worst era since the great depression.

Its really funny to read this thread and see this crap being spewed about jobs, econonmy, big business hoarding cash like every american household, presidential vacations, etc. [B]And how people think that this is a new problem[/B].

Its really sad. Ive heard no tangible plan from either side on how we get this under control.

Its also funny that people want to cut government and blame it, but also look to it to solve its problem....thats hilarious[/quote]

If you look back in this thread I said I'm happy with a lame duck congress for the next two years.

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[quote=GMScud;756637]Do I really "pounce on everything?" Come on.

If I actually pounced on everything I could you'd be far more sick of me than you are.

But for fun, I'll say it's good to see that the teleprompter-in-chief will make it's debut in India's parliament. Lol.

[URL="http://www.hindustantimes.com/Obama-to-use-teleprompter-for-Hindi-speech/H1-Article1-622605.aspx"]Obama to use teleprompter for Hindi speech - Hindustan Times[/URL][/quote]

Haha...you really are enjoying this, aren't you? I'll have to check out the speech, I bet is perrrrfect.

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[quote=firstdown;756648]If you look back in this thread I said I'm happy with a lame duck congress for the next two years.[/quote]

Im sure you do. Im also sure you stand with a drug addict Rush Limbaugh who hopes this president fail, because you enjoy seeing families across this county struggling, losing everything in a Bush-led trickle down fail economy.

Is that fair to assume as well?

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[quote=Chico23231;756653]Im sure you do. Im also sure you stand with a drug addict Rush Limbaugh who hopes this president fail, because you enjoy seeing families across this county struggling, losing everything in a Bush-led trickle down fail economy.

Is that fair to assume as well?[/quote]

No I hate to see people fail but I also hate to see a trillion dollars spent with little to no results and yes I hope Obama fails to pass any more of his agenda. By the way I don't listen to Rush but it seems that you might.:Smoker:

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[quote=Chico23231;756653]Im sure you do. Im also sure you stand with a drug addict Rush Limbaugh who hopes this president fail, because you enjoy seeing families across this county struggling, losing everything in a Bush-led trickle down fail economy.

Is that fair to assume as well?[/quote]

So you say this but you also say this:

Bottom line who expects "real change"...Nothing from from the tea party or republicans or democrats said anything they havent said before...cut taxes, cut spending, blah blah blah

I would like to see the state, county and federal government shrunk...I mean real cuts, like Great Britian recently did...I say start with the military and defense budget cut that15-20%, cut welfare 10%, federal salaries freeze and re examination of who makes what and make cuts. On a local level cut emergency services, police and fire....anybody familiar with "overtime" and pay scale knows police and fire is an effing rackett, alot of people sitting on their ass working 3 days on, 4 days off at incredible pay rates

So what do you want more goverment or less.

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Maybe coservatives should kind of thank Obama:

This is a cut and paste and no source to give credit.

. Obama destroyed the Clinton Political Machine, driving a stake through the heart of Hillary's presidential aspirations - something no Republican was ever able to do.
2. Obama killed off the Kennedy Dynasty - no more Kennedys trolling Washington looking for booze and women wanting rides home.
3. Obama is destroying the Democratic Party before our eyes! Dennis Moore had never lost a race. Evan Bayh had never lost a race. Byron Dorgan had never lost a race. Harry Reid - soon to be GONE! These are just a handful of the Democrats whose political careers Obama has destroyed. By the end of 2010, dozens more will be gone. Just think, in December of 2008 the Democrats were on the rise. In the last two election cycles, they had picked up 14 Senate seats and 52 House seats. The press was touting the death of the Conservative Movement and the Republican Party. However, in just one year, Obama put a stop to all of this and will probably give the House - if not the Senate - back to the Republicans.
4. Obama has completely exposed liberals and progressives for what they are. Sadly, every generation seems to need to re-learn the lesson on why they should never actually put liberals in charge. Obama is bringing home the lesson very well:
Liberals tax, borrow and spend.
Liberals won't bring themselves to protect America .
Liberals want to take over the economy.
Liberals think they know what is best for everyone.
Liberals are not happy until they are running YOUR life.
5. Obama has brought more Americans back to conservatism than anyone since Reagan. In one year, he has rejuvenated the Conservative Movement and brought out to the streets millions of freedom loving Americans. Name one other time when you saw your friends and neighbors this interested in taking back America !
6. Obama, with his "amazing leadership," has sparked the greatest period of sales of firearms and ammunition this country has seen. Law abiding citizens have rallied and have provided a "stimulus" to the sporting goods field while other industries have failed, faded, or moved off-shore.
7. In all honesty, one year ago I was more afraid than I have been in my life. Not afraid of the economy, but afraid of the direction our country was going. I thought, Americans have forgotten what this country is all about. My neighbors and friends, even strangers, have proved to me that my lack of confidence in the greatness and wisdom of the American people has been flat wrong.
8. When the American people wake up, no smooth talking teleprompter reader can fool them! Barack Obama has served to wake up these great Americans!
Again, I want to say: "Thank you, Barack Obama!" After all, this is exactly the kind of hope and change we desperately needed!!

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Tell the truth, this is a cut and paste job. 'Cause none of the words are misspelled! Haha

At least space your shit out so it makes people want to read it.

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[url=http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-11-05/news/bs-md-ci-robocall-henson-20101105_1_election-day-polls-republican-robert-l-ehrlich]Election Day robocall made by Ehrlich operative - Baltimore Sun[/url]

haha, looks like ehrlich thought firstdown's idea of voter fraud was a good idea.

of course his campaign said he doesnt know anything about it and he himself has been silent.

its the petty completely dishonest unamerican crap like this and the roadblocks in Fla during the elections with gore that the repubs have to get away from imo. it just reinforces the perception that conservatives = closet racisits.

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[quote=12thMan;756953]Tell the truth, this is a cut and paste job. 'Cause none of the words are misspelled! Haha

At least space your shit out so it makes people want to read it.[/quote]

Nice observation, FD tell the truth...

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Sorry Guys. No I did not right that but it did not have a source that I could give credit.