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[quote=SmootSmack;824450]I'm not sure how I feel about the NFL suspending him. I'm not sure that's fair[/quote]

Agreed. Are they going to start suspending guys like Reggie Bush, or guys from the "U" for things they did before they ever entered the NFL? You could argue that he weasled his way out of suspension at the college level and that he may deserve some sort of punishment beyond what he has gone through. But he is not even part of the NFL yet and he is being suspended, sorry can't grasp it.

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I would put up a 6th rounder for Pryor in the supplemental draft. We selected Colt Brennan in the 6th round of the regular draft, and Pryor certainly has a higher upside than Colt. If Shanny sees him as a good fit, then I'm all for taking a shot.

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[quote=Redskins_2231;823337]I'd use a 3rd round pick on him. If he doesn't pan-out as a QB, he's talented enough to be useful in a "wildcat" package and could even see a few plays a game in the backfield/slot.[/quote]

One of the best first posts ever!

I always knew Mr. Smithers read this board, but to finally have you join us is a great honor.

Maybe we should use a second rounder just to be sure.

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[quote=SmootSmack;824450]I don't think he would...but I'm not sure how I feel about the NFL suspending him. I'm not sure that's fair[/quote]

Well....what do you do?
Apparently TP (I like that) committed several infractions against the NCAA. Then he lied about it until realized he it could hinder his eligibility for the supplemental draft. He has since stepped forward to set the record straight since there is a pay check in it.
These are not the behaviors I personally want to reward.
OR is it just that you have a problem with the NFL taking action on a "NCAA matter"?

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I don't think it's Goodell's place to punish Pryor for something that happened while he was in college. Is Pryor getting around the system a bit? Maybe, but so is Caleb King, so did Brian Bosworth, so did Cris Carter, so did Jeremy Jarmon, so did Jared Gaither, and in a way so did Bernie Kosar. The supplemental draft has basically been an out for inelgibile NCAA players since it began.

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SS, have you heard any serious interest by the Skins or any other player in the sup. draft? Been in the news Skins were interested in his pro day workout

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The NFL suspending Pryor (even though I don't want his sorry ass) is about the dumbest thing I've seen to date. Are you kidding me? Jeremy Jarmon was ruled ineligible because he failed a drug test. Yes, his own actions caused him to be ineligible. Why didn't they get on their high horse and suspend him?


Absolutely ridiculous.

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[quote=NC_Skins;824493]The NFL suspending Pryor (even though I don't want his sorry ass) is about the dumbest thing I've seen to date. Are you kidding me? Jeremy Jarmon was ruled ineligible because he failed a drug test. Yes, his own actions caused him to be ineligible. Why didn't they get on their high horse and suspend him?


Absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

I disagree. It is time to hold players and coaches accountable for their bad behavior. This new policy is from now going forward to players coming into the league. Not players like Jarmon who committed offenses years ago. I just hope the rules also apply to coaches. Players and coaches that commit infractions because they can get away with it by going to the NFL and escape any punishment needed to be addressed. It will be a deterrent to the young punks like Pryor in college that think they can get away with anything. This will now cost him something he treasures most...money and greed.
The NFL team that eventually drafts him will now pick him in a lower round because of the suspension. So not only will he lose game checks but now his rookie (4 year) contract will be smaller salary because he will be drafted lower. It makes perfect sense....it hits him where it hurts most.

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[quote=Chico23231;824492]SS, have you heard any serious interest by the Skins or any other player in the sup. draft? Been in the news Skins were interested in his pro day workout[/quote]

No, but I've been kind of busy with other stuff. So I haven't been paying much attention

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[quote=Defensewins;824508]I disagree. It is time to hold players and coaches accountable for their bad behavior. This new policy is from now going forward to players coming into the league. Not players like Jarmon who committed offenses years ago. I just hope the rules also apply to coaches. Players and coaches that commit infractions because they can get away with it by going to the NFL and escape any punishment needed to be addressed. It will be a deterrent to the young punks like Pryor in college that think they can get away with anything. This will now cost him something he treasures most...money and greed.
The NFL team that eventually drafts him will now pick him in a lower round because of the suspension. So not only will he lose game checks but now his rookie (4 year) contract will be smaller salary because he will be drafted lower. It makes perfect sense.[/quote]

I mean Jarmon was only a couple of years ago. But, in my opinion, if Goodell wants to make this the policy moving forward he should state that. He should effective with the 2012 Supplemental Draft.... Don't just single out Pryor here.

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I voted No, for obvious reasons. What surprised me was, after submitting my vote, i saw that there were 34 votes for yes. Which begs the question, how did dirtbag manage to submit 34 votes?

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[quote=Defensewins;824508]I disagree. It is time to hold players and coaches accountable for their bad behavior. This new policy is from now going forward to players coming into the league. Not players like Jarmon who committed offenses years ago. I just hope the rules also apply to coaches. Players and coaches that commit infractions because they can get away with it by going to the NFL and escape any punishment needed to be addressed. It will be a deterrent to the young punks like Pryor in college that think they can get away with anything. This will now cost him something he treasures most...money and greed.
The NFL team that eventually drafts him will now pick him in a lower round because of the suspension. So not only will he lose game checks but now his rookie (4 year) contract will be smaller salary because he will be drafted lower. It makes perfect sense....it hits him where it hurts most.[/quote]

Wait wait wait.....so a guy who sells merchandise to make himself ineligible gets 6 games suspension, but a guy who liquors up girls and rapes them in bathrooms gets a 4 game suspension?

I have a huge problem with the NFL suspending anybody for rules not violating the NFL policy. They shouldn't be allowed to suspend them for anything prior to their employment in the NFL.

Hell, even some college admins are saying it's a bad idea.

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[quote=NC_Skins;824520]I have a huge problem with the NFL suspending anybody for rules not violating the NFL policy. They shouldn't be allowed to suspend them for anything prior to their employment in the NFL.
[/quote]

Yep. IMO should have just declared him ineligible. I believe the NFL would have a better arguement for that at least.

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[quote=NC_Skins;824520]Wait wait wait.....so a guy who sells merchandise to make himself ineligible gets 6 games suspension, but a guy who liquors up girls and rapes them in bathrooms gets a 4 game suspension?

[B]I have a huge problem with the NFL suspending anybody for rules not violating the NFL policy. They shouldn't be allowed to suspend them for anything prior to their employment in the NFL.

Hell, even some college admins are saying it's a bad idea.[/B][/quote]

The NFL policy about being a good citizen is pretty clear. You break the law and you are subject to suspension, fine or worse. Pryor obstructed an investigation and lied about it. You might not think that is a big deal, but I do.
Ben's situation was a little more tricky in a he said she said can't prove it situation. Pryor's situation was very clear, it got his coach fired.
Ben was not convicted of anything and his coach is still coaching and Ben still go suspended.
I do not care what 'some college admins' have to say. NCAA Footblaa and their stinking BCS system makes them lose all credibility.

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I guess I have a problem with the NFL suspending someone who's not in the NFL for violating NFL rules. How is someone not in the NFL subject to NFL rules? Comparing Ben to Pryor doesnt work because Ben was in the NFL when he committed his infraction, Pryor wasnt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;824484]I don't think it's Goodell's place to punish Pryor for something that happened while he was in college. Is Pryor getting around the system a bit? Maybe, but so is Caleb King, so did Brian Bosworth, so did Cris Carter, so did Jeremy Jarmon, so did Jared Gaither, and in a way so did Bernie Kosar. The supplemental draft has basically been an out for inelgibile NCAA players since it began.[/quote]

I agree about Goodell, and I also think he bungled this decision. The statement said that Pryor made decisions that underminded the supplemental draft, and then let him enter the draft. I was like, huh?

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[quote=irish;824553]I guess I have a problem with the NFL suspending someone who's not in the NFL for violating NFL rules. How is someone not in the NFL subject to NFL rules? Comparing Ben to Pryor doesnt work because Ben was in the NFL when he committed his infraction, Pryor wasnt.[/quote]

That like saying not wanting to arrest a criminal in Texas for a crime committed in Arizona. "Well he broke laws before he got to Texas and didn't break laws in Texas so we are not going to arrest him and extradite him."
This is the same situation. College players continue to break serious rules over and over again because they can leave college ball for NFL and not suffer any punishment. What kind of message does that send to the young elite high school players being heavily recruited by college teams?
You want NFL players that are good citizens, it starts before they get here. The college system and the NFL work hand in hand and needs creative changes. This is an attempt to hold the players accountable. I like it. It iwll make players think twice before going with the flow of rule breaking..
This cost Pryor millions of dollars.

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[quote=SmootSmack;824484]I don't think it's Goodell's place to punish Pryor for something that happened while he was in college. Is Pryor getting around the system a bit? Maybe, but so is Caleb King, so did Brian Bosworth, so did Cris Carter, so did Jeremy Jarmon, so did Jared Gaither, and in a way so did Bernie Kosar. The supplemental draft has basically been an out for inelgibile NCAA players since it began.[/quote]

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Although i think it will probably work out better for Pryor. You dont have to worry as much about fans wanting him to come in a relieve a QB thats doing poorly, until at the very earliest, the very end of the season. You can get him acclimated and prepare him to be the starter next year, without as much pressure as you might have with Alex Smith Colin kaepernick type situation, should Smith make some mistakes[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=SmootSmack;824510]I mean Jarmon was only a couple of years ago. But, in my opinion, if Goodell wants to make this the policy moving forward he should state that. He should effective with the 2012 Supplemental Draft.... Don't just single out Pryor here.[/quote]


One of the main things i hate about goodell. He singles people out and has little consistancy or no outlined penalites for some violations

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Let's face it, this is simply a cosmetic punishment. Pryor had a snowball's chance in hell of playing at all this year in any capacity. No one expecting to draft him is really worried about this suspension. Goodell meant to send a message, only problem it may be seen by many as a shallow attempt.

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Yeah, it's really unbelievable that Pryor would have to serve a suspension in the NFL for something that happened in college. I mean, if you get expelled from high school, and start a job, it's not like they can dock your pay for being expelled right? I understand its not apples to apples but that's kind of what it feels like.

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[quote=Defensewins;824563]That like saying not wanting to arrest a criminal in Texas for a crime committed in Arizona. "Well he broke laws before he got to Texas and didn't break laws in Texas so we are not going to arrest him and extradite him."
This is the same situation. College players continue to break serious rules over and over again because they can leave college ball for NFL and not suffer any punishment. What kind of message does that send to the young elite high school players being heavily recruited by college teams?
You want NFL players that are good citizens, it starts before they get here. The college system and the NFL work hand in hand and needs creative changes. This is an attempt to hold the players accountable. I like it. It iwll make players think twice before going with the flow of rule breaking..
This cost Pryor millions of dollars.[/quote]

Thats the way it used to work in the US, if one could get to the state line before being caught you were off the hook. Thats how Bonnie & Clyde did it. As you know, the laws have now changed. I dont see the NFL and college as 2 equal states, I see them as different countries. I am not subject to French laws living here in the US and I dont think college players are subject to NFL rules when they arent in the NFL. The NFL doesnt have jurisdiction in college.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/18/goodell-suspended-pryor-with-approval-of-nflpa/]Goodell suspended Pryor with approval of NFLPA | ProFootballTalk[/url]


Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2011, 10:19 AM EDT
Terrelle Pryor AP
It’s still not clear how Commissioner Roger Goodell had the ability to suspend former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor for five games based on “decisions that undermine the integrity of the eligibility rules for the NFL Draft.”

[B]The NFLPA appears to be on board with the penalty. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFLPA agreed with the intended approach.[/B]

A line must be drawn....somewhere. The BS that is going on in Pro and Collegiate sports has to be dealt with rather than turning a blind eye....See "The U"....See The U and Collegiate Armageddon.
I applaud Roger for his Chutzpah!

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824585]Yeah, it's really unbelievable that Pryor would have to serve a suspension in the NFL for something that happened in college. I mean, if you get expelled from high school, and start a job, it's not like they can dock your pay for being expelled right? I understand its not apples to apples but that's kind of what it feels like.[/quote]

No, but they can refuse to hire you in the first place...

The NFL is offering him employment - - something he has not entitled to - - so there is a trade off here.

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Now that we know he is going to be in the draft, here is my answer to the question : Would you draft Terrelle Pryor?


I would draft him on one condition:

Both Pryor and his agent (Drew Rosenhaus) have to agree that he will get as many practice reps at WR as he will at QB for at least the first 12 months that he is under contract. That means in his practices this season and all of the next off-season.

I think Pryor has WR potential. I am FAR less impressed with him as an NFL QB.

If they both agree to that, then I would bid a 4th round selection for him.

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Redskins should draft TP in the 4th round. We have 2 4th round picks would be a great redzone playmaker at QB/WR or RB. 4.3/4.4 speed 6'5" 230 pure, raw football player! just what the Skins need.

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[quote=KingRaloIV;825368]Redskins should draft TP in the 4th round. We have 2 4th round picks would be a great redzone playmaker at QB/WR or RB. 4.3/4.4 speed 6'5" 230 pure, raw football player! just what the Skins need.[/quote]

might have better hands than leonard too!

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;825321]Now that we know he is going to be in the draft, here is my answer to the question : Would you draft Terrelle Pryor?


I would draft him on one condition:

[B]Both Pryor and his agent (Drew Rosenhaus) have to agree that he will get as many practice reps at WR as he will at QB for at least the first 12 months that he is under contract. That means in his practices this season and all of the next off-season.[/B]I think Pryor has WR potential. I am FAR less impressed with him as an NFL QB.

If they both agree to that, then I would bid a 4th round selection for him.[/quote]

At his impromptu pro day today, Pryor said he would like to play QB in the NFL but that he would be willing to play any position that would help his team.

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Absolutely not. I think he's a talent player with great size but he doesn't fit in to what we do here on offense. I would much rather wait till next year and draft a guy.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;825388]At his impromptu pro day today, Pryor said he would like to play QB in the NFL but that he would be willing to play any position that would help his team.[/quote]

IF he's truly willing to change position, I would say he's worth a later round flyer. One scout had his 40 today at 4.38, and he's 6-5 230lbs. That's sick.

He's not going to play QB in the NFL. At least not with any success.

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He's a WR. Should have been one in college.

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[quote=FRPLG;825397]He's a WR. Should have been one in college.[/quote]

He's a freak athlete. He was a top 50 high school basketball player before committing to play football at OSU. As a QB, I'm sure he understands the WR position. Embrace it, Pryor. I cringe at the thought of him playing QB in the NLF, and drool at the thought of him as a wideout.

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Did Pryor ever play WR? I understand it can happen (Randel EL), but it seems that it should take more than just size and a good 40 time to determine good WRs. Devin Thomas is a perfect example. Good athlete, sucked at WR.

Would be cool to have him and Beck on the field to mix things up...

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I understand the kid made a mistake at OSU, but still he is a prime dona, and potential bad news if he hasn't truly learned his lesson.

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[quote=ethat001;825441]Did Pryor ever play WR? I understand it can happen (Randel EL), but it seems that it should take more than just size and a good 40 time to determine good WRs. Devin Thomas is a perfect example. Good athlete, sucked at WR.

Would be cool to have him and Beck on the field to mix things up...[/quote]

Don't forget Hines Ward.

I doubt Pryor has ever played WR, but he's understands routes and timing from a QB's perspective, and he's a freak athlete. If he does switch to WR, he'll likely be buried on someone's bench for a few seasons while he gets his bearings, but I think that's the position where his NFL ceiling is highest.

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I dont think we should draft TP because he can run a 4.3 forty time. This guy is to much of a project and we don't need projects at this time. If we want a project then just trade for Tim Teebow. At least Teebow is a team guy who will work hard. I say no its not worth the waste of a draft pick unless its a 7th rd pick then maybe.

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[quote=GMScud;825445]Don't forget Hines Ward.

I doubt Pryor has ever played WR, but he's understands routes and timing from a QB's perspective, and he's a freak athlete. If he does switch to WR, he'll likely be buried on someone's bench for a few seasons while he gets his bearings, but I think that's the position where his NFL ceiling is highest.[/quote]
Hines Ward would have been a great pick ( think he went inthe 3rd rd ) . Pryor has played WR , vs Texas in their bowl game , and Pryor caught a TD . He might make it as a qb , if he is willing to put in the time . Do we have 2 4th rd picks in 2012 guys ?

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a 4th i could see IF they were impressed and he interviewed well. he's not andrew luck or peyton manning though. I just don't see him making a huge impact unless he REALLY commits to the QB thing and gets lucky. If he tops out where vince young is, that's a wasted pick.