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NFL's Furture.com top 50 UDFA's....

[url=http://nflsfuture.com/2011/05/09/top-50-undrafted-free-agents-from-the-2011-nfl-draft/]NFLsFuture.com » Blog Archive Top 50 Undrafted Free Agents from the 2011 NFL Draft[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;811954]I'm [U]not too big on Holmes[/U], solid player but not a dominant WR. I'd take him but not for big time $[/quote]

Interesting pun. That's the problem, he's not so big himself. He's 5'11".

We'd be trading SantanA for SantonIO. Not to mention he carries more baggage than Santana -- Holmes has his substance abuse problems.

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I really hope the front office (shanny) make resigning Moss a priority vs. signing Holmes. This would be the exact moves this franchise has made over the last 11 years. Letting your core guys leave to bring in a FA. We have to rid ourselves of these moves. We have young receivers and we need to develop them. Same as RB's, no need in bringing in a veteran. LB's, we have some young talent there. Lichensleiger (SP), Montgomery, seem to be ready to step up and play center. Let them compete for the job, Raymer has been good, but he may serve as a better back up at this point. We really need to develop our young talent.

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[quote=#56fanatic;811982][B]I really hope the front office (shanny) make resigning Moss a priority vs. signing Holmes.[/B] This would be the exact moves this franchise has made over the last 11 years. Letting your core guys leave to bring in a FA. We have to rid ourselves of these moves. We have young receivers and we need to develop them. Same as RB's, no need in bringing in a veteran. LB's, we have some young talent there. Lichensleiger (SP), Montgomery, seem to be ready to step up and play center. Let them compete for the job, Raymer has been good, but he may serve as a better back up at this point. We really need to develop our young talent.[/quote]

All indications seem to point to that.

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[quote=SBXVII;811959]The best of the rest.....National Football Report: List of best UDFA's for 2011.

[url=http://thenationalfootballreport.com/2011/04/30/list-of-best-udfas-for-2011-nfl-draft/]2011 NFL draft undrafted free agents,udfa's | National Football Report[/url][/quote]

There are a lot of players on that list who are worth a shot. I'm very interested to see who the Skins sign.

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So far the SKINS FO hide their moves well. The players we are going to bring in probably haven't even been talked about anywhere yet IMO.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;812023][B]So far the SKINS FO hide their moves well.[/B] The players we are going to bring in probably haven't even been talked about anywhere yet IMO.[/quote]

Very good point. Which is why I don't get why people get up in arms about any rumors about possible FAs, etc., etc.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/22/2288455/browns-nose-tackle-ahtyba-rubin-possible-trade-target-for-redskins]Brown's Nose Tackle Ahtyba Rubin: Possible Trade Target for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

Saw this wanted to know what you think.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;812055][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/22/2288455/browns-nose-tackle-ahtyba-rubin-possible-trade-target-for-redskins]Brown's Nose Tackle Ahtyba Rubin: Possible Trade Target for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

Saw this wanted to know what you think.[/quote]

I'd rather get Alan Branch without having to give up picks.

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[quote=#56fanatic;811982]I really hope the front office (shanny) make resigning Moss a priority vs. signing Holmes. This would be the exact moves this franchise has made over the last 11 years. Letting your core guys leave to bring in a FA. We have to rid ourselves of these moves. We have young receivers and we need to develop them. Same as RB's, no need in bringing in a veteran. LB's, we have some young talent there. Lichensleiger (SP), Montgomery, seem to be ready to step up and play center. Let them compete for the job, Raymer has been good, but he may serve as a better back up at this point. We really need to develop our young talent.[/quote]

I'm really torn on this one.. On one hand Moss is one of my favorite players of recent Redskins teams and I'd hate to see him leave.. However he has some infuriating drops, is 32 and has battled leg injuries (although he's toughed them out) in recent years.

On the other hand, while Holmes seems to signal "same old Redskins" he's 26, a SB champ, proven clutch performer, great hands/speed combination and a top 15 WR in the league. If it wasn't for his off the field issues he would be as coveted of a FA receiver there ever has been on the open market.

If we made this move, everyone would be up in arms but I think this would turn out differently than previous FA forays..

How about both? Holmes, Hankerson, Moss, Armstrong, Kelly/Paul, Banks/Robinson? I wouldn't hate that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;812059]I'd rather get Alan Branch without having to give up picks.[/quote]

You don't think they'd take Haynesworth straight up?!?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;811954]I'm not too big on Holmes, solid player but not a dominant WR. I'd take him but not for big time $[/quote]

I think Moss's career numbers are better than Holmes. of course he's a little longer in the tooth.

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[quote=Paintrain;812068]I'm really torn on this one.. On one hand Moss is one of my favorite players of recent Redskins teams and I'd hate to see him leave.. However he has some infuriating drops, is 32 and has battled leg injuries (although he's toughed them out) in recent years.

On the other hand, while Holmes seems to signal "same old Redskins" he's 26, a SB champ, proven clutch performer, great hands/speed combination and a top 15 WR in the league. If it wasn't for his off the field issues he would be as coveted of a FA receiver there ever has been on the open market.

If we made this move, everyone would be up in arms but I think this would turn out differently than previous FA forays..

How about both? Holmes, Hankerson, Moss, Armstrong, Kelly/Paul, Banks/Robinson? I wouldn't hate that.[/quote]

But if you had to sign only one WR, who would you pick? The idea of signing both to the squad is awesome, however I am not sure if we would have enough money to do that, along with necessities to fill other positions such as tackle (resign Brown), guard and nose-tackle.

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[quote=Paintrain;812068]I'm really torn on this one.. On one hand Moss is one of my favorite players of recent Redskins teams and I'd hate to see him leave.. However he has some infuriating drops, is 32 and has battled leg injuries (although he's toughed them out) in recent years.

On the other hand, while Holmes seems to signal "same old Redskins" he's 26, a SB champ, proven clutch performer, great hands/speed combination and a top 15 WR in the league. If it wasn't for his off the field issues he would be as coveted of a FA receiver there ever has been on the open market.

If we made this move, everyone would be up in arms but I think this would turn out differently than previous FA forays..

How about both? Holmes, Hankerson, Moss, Armstrong, Kelly/Paul, Banks/Robinson? I wouldn't hate that.[/quote]Between Moss and Holmes it's easy: you sign Holmes. Doesn't matter that you're going to have to pay more, in free agency, its all about getting the most aggregate production out of the roster spot. Easiest FA mistake to make that results in deadcap is having the player that you can't find a role for, not having a player who is overpaid.

With that said, I agree with all parties who have suggested that a failed Santonio Holmes signing would be essentially committing the exact same error that made the franchise what it is today once again. They'd be taking a player who, in the last three seasons, has struggled twice with one career year, and a number of late game heroics that profile as garbage time TDs with the Redskins. So that can't be comforting.

But Holmes IS one of the best players on the market and he's not too old to justify his salary, and that goes far for NFL front offices, evaluation mistakes be damned.

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[quote=GridIron26;812078]But if you had to sign only one WR, who would you pick? The idea of signing both to the squad is awesome, however I am not sure if we would have enough money to do that, along with necessities to fill other positions such as tackle (resign Brown), guard and nose-tackle.[/quote]

If it has to be one of them, give me Holmes. Younger and more productive.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;812055][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/22/2288455/browns-nose-tackle-ahtyba-rubin-possible-trade-target-for-redskins]Brown's Nose Tackle Ahtyba Rubin: Possible Trade Target for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

Saw this wanted to know what you think.[/quote]

Rubin would be perfect but why would the Browns trade him?
He can easily play 4-3 DT.

[quote=GTripp0012;812086]But Holmes IS one of the best players on the market and he's not too old to justify his salary, and that goes far for NFL front offices, evaluation mistakes be damned.[/quote]I agree.

I'm one of Tana's biggest fans and I think we should re-sign him.
But, business is business.
I think Holmes is the better player and if we had a choice between Holmes and Tana I would take Holmes.
He's younger and I think he would be more productive then Tana as the focal point of our passing game.

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Give me Moss over Holmes.

Holmes is, if I recall correctly, one strike away from a very lengthy suspension.

Plus, the point of drafting guys like Hankerson, Austin, even Kelly is to have those guys emerge as the leading WRs of the future. And that's not even mentioning Armstrong. I'd prefer we invest elsewhere

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[quote=SmootSmack;812094]Give me Moss over Holmes.

Holmes is, if I recall correctly, one strike away from a very lengthy suspension.

Plus, the point of drafting guys like Hankerson, Austin, even Kelly is to have those guys emerge as the leading WRs of the future. And that's not even mentioning Armstrong. I'd prefer we invest elsewhere[/quote]I think the best chance for their(AA, Hank, Kelly) success and the best chance for the receiving corps to become a dynamic unit is to have a proven, reliable WR as the focal point.

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[quote=30gut;812089]Rubin would be perfect but why would the Browns trade him?
He can easily play 4-3 DT.

[/quote]

Not always true. A lot of NT position players couldn't switch to the difference assignments of the 3 or 5 technique in a 4-3 scheme. A NT just eats space and takes on blockers. 4-3 DT would have a lot more responsibilities.

Basically think of Haynesworth. Well, Haynesworth is because he is worthless and lazy, some probably just don't have the skill set for it. If this guy can do shuttle runs without having to stop and take a crap in between, I say trade for the guy sight unseen otherwise...

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i dont think the jets are letting holmes go, so i think picking between him or moss is kinda moot, BUT stranger things have happened...

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[quote=SkinzWin;812105]Not always true. A lot of NT position players couldn't switch to the difference assignments of the 3 or 5 technique in a 4-3 scheme. A NT just eats space and takes on blockers. 4-3 DT would have a lot more responsibilities.[/quote]There typically aren't any 5-techs in a 4-3.
And the role of a 1-tech is easy for a player used to playing 0-tech in a 3-4.

[quote]Basically think of Haynesworth. Well, Haynesworth is because he is worthless and lazy, some probably just don't have the skill set for it. If this guy can do shuttle runs without having to stop and take a crap in between, I say trade for the guy sight unseen otherwise...[/quote]Al is a bad example.
You're making the reverse assumption Rubin would be going from a 0-tech in a 3-4 to a 1-tech in a 4-3.
Al was going from a freelancing all around beast to a gap control space eating 2-gap read and react NT/DE.

Al could have played that role, but I actually agree with him that it was a waste of his talent.
You don't see the Packers playing Cullen Jenkins as a NT or a 2-gap DE.

Find an example of a 3-4 NT that couldn't play in a 4-3.

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[quote=30gut;812117]There typically aren't any 5-techs in a 4-3.
And the role of a 1-tech is easy for a player used to playing 0-tech in a 3-4.

Al is a bad example.
You're making the reverse assumption Rubin would be going from a 0-tech in a 3-4 to a 1-tech in a 4-3.
Al was going from a freelancing all around beast to a gap control space eating 2-gap read and react NT/DE.

Al could have played that role, but I actually agree with him that it was a waste of his talent.
You don't see the Packers playing Cullen Jenkins as a NT or a 2-gap DE.

Find an example of a 3-4 NT that couldn't play in a 4-3.[/quote]

Guess I got owned. :doh: Thank you.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/23/2289885/packers-quarterback-matt-flynn-possible-trade-target-for-redskins#storyjump]Packers Quarterback Matt Flynn: Possible Trade Target for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think, we already have Beck.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;812149][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/23/2289885/packers-quarterback-matt-flynn-possible-trade-target-for-redskins#storyjump]Packers Quarterback Matt Flynn: Possible Trade Target for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think, we already have Beck.[/quote]

Why not?
I know nothing about this guy...but he is a backup QB in the NFL...so he is probably as good or better than our 2 QBs

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I'd take Flynn over Beck

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Speculations will never stop, it seems.. I cannot wait until first kickoff of the season

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[quote=GridIron26;812173]Speculations will never stop, it seems.. I cannot wait until first kickoff of the season[/quote]

It's funny how we say that even in this compacted off season. These rumors are getting more hot and heavy every day it seems like... Next Hogs Haven will just type the same standard format article and insert every QB in the league into the title, with a new article coming out at the top of each hour.

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[quote=SkinzWin;812124]Guess I got owned. :doh: Thank you.[/quote]
Not at all sir, just talking football.
Cheers

[quote=NYCskinfan82;812149][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/23/2289885/packers-quarterback-matt-flynn-possible-trade-target-for-redskins#storyjump]Packers Quarterback Matt Flynn: Possible Trade Target for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think, we already have Beck.[/quote]Does Flynn come with the Packers WRs, OL and McCarthy calling plays?
Or do we just get Flynn?

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[quote=30gut;812193]Not at all sir, just talking football.
Cheers

Does Flynn come with the Packers WRs, OL and McCarthy calling plays?
Or do we just get Flynn?[/quote]

Yep. and Hells no. Maybe it's like Payless Shoes BOGO (Buy One Get One)??? That would be cool. If you could take Flynn and one other who would it be?

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Bring in the Hefty Lefty Jared Lorenzen!

On a I told ya so note-
[url]https://twitter.com/#!/howardeskin/status/94956719020589056[/url]

IS ON!

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[quote=Luxorreb;812253]Bring in the Hefty Lefty Jared Lorenzen!

On a I told ya so note-
[url]https://twitter.com/#!/howardeskin/status/94956719020589056[/url]

IS ON![/quote]

They would be the laughing stock of the NFL if they did that. On that note, I hope they do it.

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[quote=30gut;812193]Not at all sir, just talking football.
Cheers

[B]Does Flynn come with the Packers WRs, OL and McCarthy calling plays?
Or do we just get Flynn?[/B][/quote]

Very good point.

GB loves Flynn, because he can win them games when Rodgers goes down, I think GB would be asking for atleast a 3rd rounder for him..No thanks.(Good player though)

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[quote=30gut;812096]I think the best chance for their(AA, Hank, Kelly) success and the best chance for the receiving corps to become a dynamic unit is to have a proven, reliable WR as the focal point.[/quote]

Moss.

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Beck was on ESPN980 and reiterated what I've been saying since February, Rex will be re-signed. So he's not going anywhere

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;812149][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/23/2289885/packers-quarterback-matt-flynn-possible-trade-target-for-redskins#storyjump]Packers Quarterback Matt Flynn: Possible Trade Target for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think, we already have Beck.[/quote]

It's to early. Packers would be better served to keep Flynn for one more year and find a way to pump up his value. Plus it doesn't make sense for the Redskins to add a serious Week 1 QB candidate not named Leinart.

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[quote=SmootSmack;812726]Beck was on ESPN980 and reiterated what I've been saying since February, Rex will be re-signed. So he's not going anywhere[/quote]
boooooo! I'd rather have anyone but this loser!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;812745]boooooo! I'd rather have anyone but this loser![/quote]

Rex played well last year so what's the deal? Just hating to hate? Who'd you rather have? McNabb? Jason Campbell?

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Grossman did solid but Go Beck or Orton

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Slightly OT but I didn't want to start a new thread on the topic. Does anyone feel like Kurt Warner is a little biased against any and all QB's? I don't know why but I feel like he's ultra critical of anyone that isn't an UDFA fighting for their very life.

Like one second he was talking about how Cam Newton needed to learn how to work hard and be dedicated to learn the playbook, then after Florio said there were reports of Newton working with Weinke for 12 hours a day Warner started talking about working smart.

Maybe I'm overanalyzing but for some reason I don't like Kurt Warner the analyst.

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[quote=NC_Skins;812753]Rex played well last year so what's the deal? Just hating to hate? Who'd you rather have? McNabb? Jason Campbell?[/quote]

Funny, I'd almost wager he'd prefer Vince Young over Grossman. lol. I just wish people would take a closer look and realize Grossman knows the system better then anyone we had last year and actually I think someone pointed out that he was able to get the ball in the endzone... finish the drives. No matter who we bring in they will be in the same boat as McNabb was last year, basically a QB brought in who does not know all the plays or scheme well enough to be very effective.

But lets bring in anyone else except Grossman. Yeah, Young is such an upgrade over Grossman. Atleast Grossman has better character and doesn't throw temper tantrums.