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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;841607]My smackdown goes to Rex Grossmans speed and girly hands.

Good God I'd rather have Trent Williams w/ the ball scrambling out to the left then Grossman.

Grossman even was looking behind him and still couldnt stop from fumbling. He is so damn slow. If he gets touched he fumbles.

Grossman is who he is. If he starts all 16 games he is good for about 30 total turnovers counting Int's and fumbles.

That being said he should still get the start vs. the Rams. Too early to pull him.[/quote]

What do we do though? Do we stick with the idea that we know Rex will have bad games from time to time and hope that next week could be a 4 TD 0 int rebound performance or do we start entertaining the idea of pushing for Beck to get a chance because I'm with you on the scrambling, it's very painful to watch Rex try and move outside the pocket.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;841610]What do we do though? Do we stick with the idea that we know Rex will have bad games from time to time and hope that next week could be a 4 TD 0 int rebound performance or do we start entertaining the idea of pushing for Beck to get a chance because I'm with you on the scrambling, it's very painful to watch Rex try and move outside the pocket.[/quote]

Shannahan made his choice so he is gonna stick with Grossman. Beck is much more agile then Grossman but Shannahan didn't choose that option. I'll trust Shanny and hope it all works out in the end.

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[quote=Gtothearry;841612]Shannahan made his choice so he is gonna stick with Grossman. Beck is much more agile then Grossman but Shannahan didn't choose that option. I'll trust Shanny and hope it all works out in the end.[/quote]

I would bet my life if Grossman repeats that performance next week, we will see Beck come game 5.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;841607]My smackdown goes to Rex Grossmans speed and girly hands.

Good God I'd rather have Trent Williams w/ the ball scrambling out to the left then Grossman.

Grossman even was looking behind him and still couldnt stop from fumbling. He is so damn slow. If he gets touched he fumbles.

Grossman is who he is. If he starts all 16 games he is good for about 30 total turnovers counting Int's and fumbles.

That being said he should still get the start vs. the Rams. Too early to pull him.[/quote]
Put Grossman and Romo in the same pot. You are only as good as your last game (if your name is not Brady or Manning).

Week 1 Romo played lights out for 3 quarters. Then threw an interception in the 4th and he was crucified. The following week, he fractures a rib and plays through it and wins the game and he went from zero to hero.

In weeks 1 and 2, Grossman was good, very good. Everyone was singing his praises. He has one bad quarter (much like Romo did) and now Grossman is the one getting crucified. Hero to Zero.

What happens in week 4 if Grossman goes 28-32 325 yds and 2 TD's and 0 INT?

Romo is a poor mans Brett Favre and Grossman is a poor mans Tony Romo. We'll get there. Our Defense is good. They'll be unreal next year and the offense will be next year what the D is this year.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;841614]Put Grossman and Romo in the same pot. You are only as good as your last game (if your name is not Brady or Manning).

Week 1 Romo played lights out for 3 quarters. Then threw an interception in the 4th and he was crucified. The following week, he fractures a rib and plays through it and wins the game and he went from zero to hero.

In weeks 1 and 2, Grossman was good, very good. Everyone was singing his praises. He has one bad quarter (much like Romo did) and now Grossman is the one getting crucified. Hero to Zero.

What happens in week 4 if Grossman goes 28-32 325 yds and 2 TD's and 0 INT?[/quote]

He probably will. Thats Grossman.

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[quote=Gtothearry;841604]Hilarious........the media is on that boys jock like no other in recent memory.[/quote]

I think #4 might have something to say about that...

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Rex should have a GG this week my gosh the Rams can't guard SS, 44, Or myself

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[quote=Beemnseven;841596]But man, ONE busted coverage on 3rd and 21 when the defense did everything they possibly could to keep us in the game while the offense took half the night off and Jim Haslett is the antichrist.

Sports fans just cannot do without a villain -- even when he's on the team they root for. Crazy.[/quote]

Lol indeed

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[quote=dgack;841627]I think #4 might have something to say about that...

[IMG]http://awfulannouncing2.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/favremadden5rw.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Oh, how quickly we forget.....lol

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[quote=Beemnseven;841596]Thank you. Haslett seems to be everybody's favorite whipping boy. I really don't know why that is. Who else caught the stat that the announcers mentioned last night: Redskins had the #1 defense in the NFL on 3rd down. That's a huge stat.

When was the last time Dallas was held without a TD? They broke Romo's 20-game streak of consecutive games with a TD pass.

But man, ONE busted coverage on 3rd and 21 when the defense did everything they possibly could to keep us in the game while the offense took half the night off and Jim Haslett is the antichrist.

Sports fans just cannot do without a villain -- even when he's on the team they root for. Crazy.[/quote]

You're going to have games where one side will have to bail out the other. You're also going to have games where the score will be close. What I want to see is SMART decision making throughout, especially at CRITICAL JUNCTURES. Now, an all-out blitz wouldn't necessarily have been a bad thing, IF HE hadn't TELEGRAPHED THE SAME THING TWO PLAYS IN A ROW ALREADY.

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[quote=SmootSmack;841106]Let's not waste any time here

[B]Rex Grossman[/B] I don't think Beck would be any better but Grossman came out flat and he has to be more aware of the rush and protect the ball.

[B]Kyle Shanahan[/B] I'm a big fan, but his playcalling was extremely suspect today. He completely abandoned the run, especially after Hightower had such a nice drive culminating in a TD. It's one thing to be aggressive, but running actually helps you be aggressive. And why make a substitution with no timeouts left in the first half and under a minute to go. We had the momentum going and killed it.

[B]DeAngelo Hall[/B] Sure, you can blame Haslett for the all out blitz on 3 and 21 but if you're going to talk the talk like Hall does you better be able to back it up and give your DC confidence that you can handle a 1-1 assignment

[B]Jammal Brown[/B] After TW basically handled Ware all night, Brown basically escorted him into the Redskins backfield

[B]People Who Keep Blaming The Media[/B] **** all of you ;)

We blew a huge chance tonight to go 3-0 and 2-0 in the division. We're 2-1 which is not 0-3 as some may be thinking after tonight but we can't let repeated chances pass us by as they did tonight.[/quote]

Agree with all that...and I'll add poor effort by Brandon Banks in the kick and punt returns. He seemed to be more hesitant than usual. With his speed, he is good when he takes the ball and goes vertical . Last night I thought I was watching Randle El dancing around again. He never gave the offense a short field, which is his sole purpose in life. I'll give the Cowboys some credit for good coverage, but with the number of opportunities he had, I was disappointed.

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the coverage was good and our blocking worse than usual... play calling killed us in this game ad well all know ... ugh ... all we hadda do was drive a little further and kicked the gw

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;841564]Ya I saw it... then they immediately cut back to one of the guys saying "I'm still trying to process the Rex is a top-10 QB comment". [B]They can't even give 2 seconds for the nice comment to sink in.[/B]
I understand everything you're saying, but I think it's wrong. It's insulting to turn on MNC when the Skins are playing, and have to see the whole 90 minutes devoted to our rivals. Romo's one thing but to spend so much time on Vick... it's a slap in the face. Guess we've kind of earned that treatment though.

I still say it's time for SSPN.[/quote]


They should have given two full minutes to a graphic where Rex is compared one-by-one to every other starting QB in the NFL as of Week 3 in 2011 with a simple question:
[INDENT]Which guy do you want NEXT WEEK under center for your team?[/INDENT]
I don't think Rex is anywhere near the "Top Ten" in that exercise. In fact, he is somewhere in the "Bottom Ten". Now if the MNF Countdown folks wanted to do an in-depth bit on the Skins, that is a comment that could have launched them onto a real analytical course.

SmootSmack is right on here. Like it or not, there are other players and other teams in the NFL that are far more interesting and attractive on a national basis than the Redskins. ESPN is NOT trying to play to the DC/MD/ VA market alone; they want a national audience.

Folks here like to talk about how the media hates the Skins. That is not really the case. Actually, I find it interesting how much the folks here hate to hear just about anything positive regarding other teams and players on other teams.

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[quote=44ever;841613]I would bet my life if Grossman repeats that performance next week, we will see Beck come game 5.[/quote]


Say hi to Troy Davis for me...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;841701]Say hi to Troy Davis for me...[/quote]

Are you saying not by game 5? or not at all?

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[quote=44ever;841712]Are you saying not by game 5? or not at all?[/quote]


I don't think Beck will start unless Rex gets hurt, IMO he's done a decent job

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[quote=Beemnseven;841596]Thank you. Haslett seems to be everybody's favorite whipping boy. I really don't know why that is. Who else caught the stat that the announcers mentioned last night: Redskins had the #1 defense in the NFL on 3rd down. That's a huge stat.

When was the last time Dallas was held without a TD? They broke Romo's 20-game streak of consecutive games with a TD pass.

But man, ONE busted coverage on 3rd and 21 when the defense did everything they possibly could to keep us in the game while the offense took half the night off and Jim Haslett is the antichrist.

Sports fans just cannot do without a villain -- even when he's on the team they root for. Crazy.[/quote]

The fact that the Redskins sport the #1 defense in the NFL on 3rd down was not lost on the Cowboys coach either.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/cowboys-say-redskins-were-simulating-their-snap-count/2011/09/27/gIQA0bhH2K_blog.html]Cowboys say Redskins were simulating their snap count - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;841716]I don't think Beck will start unless Rex gets hurt, IMO he's done a decent job[/quote]

Im not saying he has not done a decent job, I would say he did a terrible job in Dallas.

So my question to you is... If he repeats his latest performance this week do you think he will continue? I realize there is no way of knowing Shans intentions or plans, Im just trying to get a feel for what you think. Are you saying Grossman can play the rest of the season like he did in Dallas in no danger of being pulled except by injury?

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[quote=Longtimefan;841717]The fact that the Redskins sport the #1 defense in the NFL on 3rd down was not lost on the Cowboys coach either.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/cowboys-say-redskins-were-simulating-their-snap-count/2011/09/27/gIQA0bhH2K_blog.html]Cowboys say Redskins were simulating their snap count - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I was about to post a similar article

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4684378/did-redskins-violate-snap-count-rules?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Did Redskins violate snap count rules? - Dallas Cowboys Blog - ESPN Dallas[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;841717]The fact that the Redskins sport the #1 defense in the NFL on 3rd down was not lost on the Cowboys coach either.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/cowboys-say-redskins-were-simulating-their-snap-count/2011/09/27/gIQA0bhH2K_blog.html]Cowboys say Redskins were simulating their snap count - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Ah, hero Romo, already playing the spoiled princess.

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LOL. Steinberg debunked that. Costa basically says the defense was just jawing at him:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/phil-costa-on-washingtons-simulated-snap-counts/2011/09/27/gIQADaLc2K_blog.html#pagebreak]Phil Costa on Washington’s simulated snap counts - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

Tandler had a great post about this today, basically saying that the 'Boys are doing an awful lot of complaining for a team that won the game, between the snap count whining and Ware complaining about holding calls (seriously, another team bitching to US about holding? Brian Orakpo weeps for you, really)

Personally, this feels to me like a team who feels like they need to justify why they played so poorly instead of really believing they were the better team and "gutted out a win". And we ought to know since most of our wins over the past decade have been in the "played their guts out" vein.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;841739]I was about to post a similar article

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4684378/did-redskins-violate-snap-count-rules?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Did Redskins violate snap count rules? - Dallas Cowboys Blog - ESPN Dallas[/url][/quote]

If I had to bet one way or the other I would say we did do it.I can only remember once ever seeing a team penalised for this,and it was us and its been within the last 2 seasons.Also from what I remember it ended up costing us points when had stopped the team on a critical down.Glad we got away with it this time but im sure theyll have an extra ear out for us in future games

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[quote=htownskinfan;841757]If I had to bet one way or the other I would say we did do it.I can only remember once ever seeing a team penalised for this,and it was us and its been within the last 2 seasons.Also from what I remember it ended up costing us points when had stopped the team on a critical down.Glad we got away with it this time but im sure theyll have an extra ear out for us in future games[/quote]

A google news search for "snap count penalty" shows that Hasselbeck claims the Titans were doing it against him, and the only other reference I could find was Brian Billick doing a lot of bitching and moaning about the Jets doing it to the Ravens in '07.

If we were caught doing this in this decade, I couldn't find any evidence of it.

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[quote=dgack;841784]A google news search for "snap count penalty" shows that Hasselbeck claims the Titans were doing it against him, and the only other reference I could find was Brian Billick doing a lot of bitching and moaning about the Jets doing it to the Ravens in '07.

If we were caught doing this in this decade, I couldn't find any evidence of it.[/quote]

Not only that, but Romo was strangely silent when PRO BOWLER Gurode was tossing bad shotgun snaps when he least expected it. :lol:

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I don't blame the media. How can you? I am just pissed that they are so right so often about our team and love the Boys.

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The thing I hate about the media is they are talking like Romo is that Sully the airplane pilot that landed the plane in the hudson. He played with a broken rib. So have other QBs, better and as good as him. And I'm sure those QB's didn't mention it to the whole public like his dumbass

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[quote=CultBrennan59;841794]The thing I hate about the media is they are talking like Romo is that Sully the airplane pilot that landed the plane in the hudson. He played with a broken rib. So have other QBs, better and as good as him. And I'm sure those QB's didn't mention it to the whole public like his dumbass[/quote]

A buddy and I were watching the game and he said Romo looks like LeBron out there, whining after every play, yelling at his teammates, throwing up his hands, making this exasperated face like he deserves better.

Then you hear Jaworski praising the guy for "educating the youngsters on the field" and it's impossible not to laugh.

If I'm being honest, it's a great story for an undrafted QB to come in and put up the numbers he has, and if he played for any team or owner other than Dallas, I'd probably think, "hey, that's great." But he plays for Jerry, on the most pretentious team in football.

Hell, I can't believe I'm admitting this but I was rooting for Wade Phillips watching the Texans this week. They're my 2nd favorite team (how can you not like Schaub to Andre Johnson?) and it's amazing how much less of a douchebag Wade seems now that he's several hundred miles away from the Jerrydome...

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Anyone else think that Cooley looked slow, and not the usual slow where he breaks 100 tackles. I'm talking about slow slow after the catch he just looked like he didn't have any gas in the tank?

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I finally watched the game on NFL rewind...which sucks...I had to take a nap so I could watch the game midnight Wed morning which was the soonest they play it...
Not suprised at all.
Our redzone continues to suck, although our kicker is improved.
The Redskins continue to invent new ways to lose games that they should win.
As I predicted earlier..this is a 7-9 team better than last year and competitive...but clearly not a winner yet....give us another decade or two (or a change in ownership) and we may eventually see a 17th game.

All I can say is Gibbs was a lot better than most of you give him credit for in Gibbs 2.0....possibly better than the Superbowl teams with really solid talent.

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[quote=Bucket;841815]Anyone else think that Cooley looked slow, and not the usual slow where he breaks 100 tackles. I'm talking about slow slow after the catch he just looked like he didn't have any gas in the tank?[/quote]

Yeah, his avg YAC is terrible right now (1.8). This is a guy who was averaging over 7.0 YAC under Gibbs 2.0, and even managed 6-ish under Zorn. Last year he fell to barely over 5.

Lest anybody think that was a fluke of the new offense, Sellers had a 7.6 YAC average last year on 20 receptions. I think Cooley is just wearing down.

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Man, I wish Kerrigan wouldn't of got caught in empty space on that big 3rd and 21. After re-watching the play a few times.. If Kerrigan actually keeps coming up field, then he hurries Romo into a quicker throw, or even gets a sack.

Instead he starts to back off and play coverage and it gives Romo more time to make the play down field.. I guess he finally showed his "rookie-ness"

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Well, Kerrigan was one of the few guys on that play actually executing his assignment. Is it a better outcome if he just goes straight to Romo and leaves the back? Sure, but then he's not executing his assignment, and the back is uncovered.

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[quote=skinsnut;841816]
As I predicted earlier..this is a 7-9 team better than last year and competitive...but clearly not a winner yet....give us another decade or two (or a change in ownership) and we may eventually see a 17th game.
[/quote]

Can we smackdown posts like this?

How could the third game of the season confirm your prediction that this is a 7-9 team?

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[quote=GTripp0012;841823]Well, Kerrigan was one of the few guys on that play actually executing his assignment. Is it a better outcome if he just goes straight to Romo and leaves the back? Sure, but then he's not executing his assignment, and the back is uncovered.[/quote]

How would you know what his assignment was? Looked to me like a 0 Blitz, and Kerrigan started to follow the back.. Didn't seem to be in man coverage with the RB..

But I guess we wont ever know.

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[quote=GreekSkin;841824]Can we smackdown posts like this?

[COLOR="Red"]How could [/COLOR]the third game of the season confirm your prediction that this is a 7-9 team?[/quote]


Because the sky is falling.
But that's another thread.

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[quote=Bucket;841822]Man, I wish Kerrigan wouldn't of got caught in empty space on that big 3rd and 21. After re-watching the play a few times.. If Kerrigan actually keeps coming up field, then he hurries Romo into a quicker throw, or even gets a sack.

Instead he starts to back off and play coverage and it gives Romo more time to make the play down field.. I guess he finally showed his "rookie-ness"[/quote]

Yeah, I think Kerrigan needed to do a better job of keeping contain. It looks to me like that was his job, not covering the back. I think that play is an unfortunate example of Kerrigan's learning curve.

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.............rookie

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[quote=htownskinfan;841757]If I had to bet one way or the other I would say we did do it.I can only remember once ever seeing a team penalised for this,and it was us and its been within the last 2 seasons.Also from what I remember it ended up costing us points when had stopped the team on a critical down.Glad we got away with it this time but im sure theyll have an extra ear out for us in future games[/quote]

Wayyyy back when, we got called for it once. It was when Antonio Pierce was still with the team. It was near the goal line and you could see AP's head moving as he barked out signals. Refs called him on it. It gave the other team a first and goal and they promptly scored.

I remember watching it and thinking "Damn, that was dumb!"

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[quote=htownskinfan;841757]If I had to bet one way or the other I would say we did do it.I can only remember once ever seeing a team penalised for this,and it was us and its been within the last 2 seasons.Also from what I remember it ended up costing us points when had stopped the team on a critical down.Glad we got away with it this time but im sure theyll have an extra ear out for us in future games[/quote]

I guess the NYJ did it too:

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