Re: 'Occupy' types
 

The problem I have with a few up here is that if the issue affect YOU, then you'd be up and arms about it. Most of you guys are affected, so you simply don't care who or what gets hurt. I suppose it's typical, but it reminds me of this saying.

[quote] First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
[/quote]

At some point, something you stand for is going to be affected and nobody is going to be there to support you. If you don't take a stand for other people's plights and causes, then don't expect anything when it comes your turn. Trust me, there will be a your turn.

So far, I've had some of the posters up here push me into this category that I:

1) Hate corporations
2) Hate rich people
3) Jealous of people's success

The reality is you don't know me, my financial status or anything of the sort to make such comments. I will tell you that I have a cushy job as a network engineer for the state. I'm in the top 8% of salaries in the city I live in, and benefits out the ass. I haven't lost my house, declared bankruptcy, or underwater in debt. I have absolutely NOTHING to complain about. Banks haven't ****ed me over, and neither has any corporation.

That doesn't mean I can't see and understand people's plight in regards to these institutions. If I see something not right, I say something. I don't say something only because it affects me. Try caring for your fellow human mankind even if his plight doesn't affect you. You never know, one day you may need his help in your struggle. Then again, you are probably the kind of person who think you'll never need help. I guess it's easier to sit back, stereotype the individuals and mock their view points and protesting.

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[quote=SmootSmack;853012]So are you giving funds to the movement?[/quote]

I have and will more if need be. I've got a few friends that have attended (and still do) the Occupy movements. (Cali, NYC, and Dallas)

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

This protester cant get a job because there is too much homeland security and stuff.
You know...
You know...
You know...
I think she is Emmit Smiths sister.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OW56Z-0xwIQ]Haftin' To Be Uproared - Occupy Atlanta - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;853015]And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently [I]re[/I]charged with civil rights violations and found guilty. Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.

But I digress ...[/quote]

State lost out. It was the Feds that got the civil rights conviction.

Let's be honest. The only reason the Feds even bothered is because of the riot (and racial explosion) that happened after the not guilty verdict. There have been a many of other cases where it gets swept under the rug. You know this and I know this.

Had there been no video, this would have never came to light.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;853019]This protester cant get a job because there is too much homeland security and stuff.
You know...
You know...
You know...
I think she is Emmit Smiths sister.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OW56Z-0xwIQ"]Haftin' To Be Uproared - Occupy Atlanta - YouTube[/URL][/quote]


Oh god, that was brutal!

:doh:

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

I guess the main thing for me is a) I don't fully understand what they are protesting and b) it seems like a lot of it is about some people having more success, however you define that (money, power, etc) than others.

But the way I see it, I'm as responsible as anyone else for not being part of the 1%. Do I wish made more money, had more pull in society, etc? Sure, but it's not like opportunities weren't afforded me. As I'm sure is the case for many protesting. I'm doing well, but I could have done better. I could have studied harder, done a better job along my career, whatever. My point is it seems, at least to me (and I've said this before), that a lot of this protesting is just to say "look at us, we're protesting" and that too few people involved are willing to take any responsibility of their own for where they are.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=saden1;853021]Oh god, that was brutal!

:doh:[/quote]

Did you see this one?

[YT]7SwKxUz7osM&NR[/YT]

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;853015]Except that everyone, not just the protestors have a right to use public property. What if you live or work there? What if your livelihood requires others to be able to reach you there? What if your health or safety requires routine access to the area either b/c you live there or you need something from the area? As usual, it's just not as simple as you try to make it.



Undoubtedly, cops cover up cops actions. At the same time, I would suggest that police are also being subject to sanctions more often than at any time in history. In the era of internet, facebook and youtube, it is much more difficult for officers to escape scrutiny as they have in the past. Are there still abuses? Undoubtedly. Is there more accountability than there was even 30 years ago? I believe that also to be true.

And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently [I]re[/I]charged with civil rights violations and found guilty. [B] Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.[/B]

But I digress ...[/quote]


Give me a fcking break...the real bottom line is they were caught giving an Oscar worthy beat-down and managed to avoided getting their salad tossed in prison. It's no secrete that in America 10 white jurors let alone one is one too many to criminally convict white police officers "doing their job."

But hey, everyone deserves a fair trial and not guilty means not guilty. If lady Karma got to O.J. I am confident she will get at them too..

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[quote=SmootSmack;853022]But the way I see it, I'm as responsible as anyone else for not being part of the 1%. Do I wish made more money, had more pull in society, etc? Sure, but it's not like opportunities weren't afforded me. As I'm sure is the case for many protesting. I'm doing well, but I could have done better. I could have studied harder, done a better job along my career, whatever. My point is it seems, at least to me (and I've said this before), that a lot of this protesting is just to say "look at us, we're protesting" and that too few people involved are willing to take any responsibility of their own for where they are.[/quote]


That's a false illusion they want you to think Smoot. Truth is, you are born into a select group of people or you get lucky. I'll guarantee you there are people out there that have put in more effort, time, schooling than some of these high paid CEOs of corporations, but they'll never see the type of compensation.

It's almost the same way here in the state. You'd think the hard workers would get promoted, or those with education. Nope. It's a good ole boy network, and if you can shoot the shit, tell a good fishing story, then you are in there like swim wear.

Reminds me of this conference call we were on with my boss and our director. There was a new position opening up, and they were talking loosely about candidates for that job. My boss mentions one guy who would have been a 100% match for the position. He was liked, smart as hell, hard worker and knew what the hell he was doing. My boss then goes on to state...."Nah, they'd never give a guy like that the job, he's too valuable where he is".

In fact, the guy that got hired was a former employee here (that people hated), and was the worst candidate for the job and had the worst interview. Why'd he get it? Because the CIO and the guy under him were buddies with him and that's all that mattered.

This happens in corporations as well. Ivy league connections. Wealth connections. Sorry, but you can be middle class and work your ass off and never see the type of success like they will simply because of the circle you were born in. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work hard or strive to be better people, it just means that doing those doesn't equate to success on that level.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=SmootSmack;853024]Did you see this one?

[YT]7SwKxUz7osM&NR[/YT][/quote]



LOL...good god, these people are so stupid. That question was way too simple and could have been answered sensibly.

He just wants his tuition paid for, I want to own the Redskins. Come on Snyder, donate the Skins to me already!

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[quote=SmootSmack;853022]I guess the main thing for me is a) I don't fully understand what they are protesting and b)[U] it seems like a lot of it is about some people having more success[/U], however you define that (money, power, etc) than others.[/quote]


Not even getting where you come up with that conclusion. Are you going of Fox news reports? Random youtube clips?




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OVERDRAFT FEES BY BANK OF AMERICA

1 example of corporate greed effecting my hard earned livelyhood and am sure im not the only bank of america customer.

Ive had a BofA checking account for about 7 years now. As a student then a low wage working person I sometimes would go over my limit. Sometimes i would check my account after a weekend and I would be -300 plus when i figured i only really spent $50 or so more than my balance. This happened sometimes 2-3 times a month when I was real real broke.

More than a few times i went into BofA and vented that it wasnt right that they would charge me 35 dollars for a 6 dolar, sometimes 3 dollar purchase. they told me i should be aware of my balance and to use internet banking to keep a close watch and also recomend having overdraft protection. i really was pissed on more than a few occassions with them.

i got something in the mail about 6 months ago saying there is a class action lawsuit against BofA. when someone like me would be close to their balance, BofA would run the bigger charges first to make me go over quicker, that way they could charge me as many 35 overdraft fees as possible on the smaller purchases.

example of charges for a weekend (when bars/restaurants hold their weekend charges)

I have $115 balance.

I have pending charges in order of purchase date/time of:
$4.50
$9
$12
$23
$2.50
$7.50
$87
$56

BofA would run the $87 and $56 dollar charges first even though they were the last charges made, that way i overdraft quicker. then they would run the $4, $9, $7.50 charges etc so they get $35 a piece.

you wanna know the real kick in the nuts? to exempt out of the class action so you can sue BofA personally they directed you to a website. you had to opt out by some date in october. when i tried to go to the website in september to exempt myself the website wasnt up and running yet.

so now im going to get a check for a less than $10 even though BofA has done this scam on me for years and gotten close to a thousand dollar off me (no exagerration). to make my nuts hurt even worse, these sleeze ball attorneys are going to get 40% of the certified class action settlement before any of us millions of effected BofA victims get our pennies.

a third kick in the nuts. BofA bought my freakin home mortgage the second i bought a house. those bastards.

[url=http://www.topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/1264-details-on-filing-claims-for-bofa-overdraft-settlement-arrive]Details on Filing Claims for BofA Overdraft Settlement Arrive[/url]-

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=NC_Skins;853028]That's a false illusion they want you to think Smoot. Truth is, you are born into a select group of people or you get lucky. I'll guarantee you there are people out there that have put in more effort, time, schooling than some of these high paid CEOs of corporations, but they'll never see the type of compensation.

It's almost the same way here in the state. You'd think the hard workers would get promoted, or those with education. Nope. It's a good ole boy network, and if you can shoot the shit, tell a[B] good fishing story[/B], [B]then you are in there like swim wear.[/B]

Reminds me of this conference call we were on with my boss and our director. There was a new position opening up, and they were talking loosely about candidates for that job. My boss mentions one guy who would have been a 100% match for the position. He was liked, smart as hell, hard worker and knew what the hell he was doing. My boss then goes on to state...."Nah, they'd never give a guy like that the job, he's too valuable where he is".

In fact, the guy that got hired was a former employee here (that people hated), and was the worst candidate for the job and had the worst interview. Why'd he get it? Because the CIO and the guy under him were buddies with him and that's all that mattered.

This happens in corporations as well. Ivy league connections. Wealth connections. Sorry, but you can be middle class and work your ass off and never see the type of success like they will simply because of the circle you were born in. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work hard or strive to be better people, it just means that doing those doesn't equate to success on that level.[/quote]

Thats how I landed my job. They must have kept the swim wear.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;853032]Not even getting where you come up with that conclusion. Are you going of Fox news reports? Random youtube clips? [Quote]


Its on every channel and every news website and its being repeated over and over and over that that these people dont have a point and most appear to just want a hand out.
Even my hugely liberal treehugging sister in law asked me what they want.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=NC_Skins;853016]That doesn't mean I can't see and understand people's plight in regards to these institutions. If I see something not right, I say something. I don't say something only because it affects me. Try caring for your fellow human mankind even if his plight doesn't affect you. You never know, one day you may need his help in your struggle. Then again, [B]you are probably the kind of person who think you'll never need help. I guess it's easier to sit back, stereotype the individuals and mock their view points and protesting.[/B][/quote]

And there is the crux of it ... you accuse others of judging you and yet you blatantly judge others.

I, too, see and understand the people's plight as do many others who have posted in this thread. We also see that the OWS movement, like yourself, is failing to provide and/or detail a road map for change. Just like crowd control is not just a matter of "blocking off a couple streets", the institutional problems of the market and financial system are not things that can be fixed by simply hacking away at them. Stop assuming we don't sympathize with some of the goals of the OWS just b/c we assert they haven't done anything but complain about them.

To me, you seem to assume that people, who aren't ready to throw people in jail b/c things "seem like fraud" to you, are ignoring the problem. That's simply not true. B/c I don't agree with your characterizations doesn't mean I don't see a problem or that I am unsympathetic to some of their goals. To me, the anger that permeates your posts is almost tangible, is incredibly judgmental of those who don't agree wholeheartedly with your take on things, and makes it difficult to actually discuss the nuts and bolts of solutions to the problems identified by the OWS and others. My perception is that any demand for specifics as a precursor to judging the OWS's relevance is met with fury on your part.

All I have ever asserted is that the OWS has many and varied goals some of which I sympathize with and that the movement, in its current form, is not an effective a grassroots movement because it has identified not concrete plan to effect change.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;853037]Its on every channel and every news website and its being repeated over and over and over that that these people dont have a point and most appear to just want a hand out.
Even my hugely liberal treehugging sister in law asked me what they want.[/quote]


I can understand the "what do they want?" portion, the "they just want a hand out" crap is a bit lame and probably exaggerated to the fullest. That's what they want you to believe.

Again, corporate media ran by corporate America.


Try here: [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada/]BBC News - US & Canada[/url]






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Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;853019]This protester cant get a job because there is too much homeland security and stuff.
You know...
You know...
You know...
I think she is Emmit Smiths sister.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OW56Z-0xwIQ"]Haftin' To Be Uproared - Occupy Atlanta - YouTube[/URL][/quote]


That was, you know, pretty good. And from SS's:

The camera man at the end: "well from my perspective youve written stuff on a sign like a Christmas list and youre holding it in the air"

Protester: "yeah, why not"

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]To echo SS, we have all made choices that reflect what we want in life and what were willing to do to get it. Would i like to be a billionaire CEO and have multiple vacation homes. Sure. But i personally have not done the things required to get to that point, nor am willing to put in the effort and time or take the chance to one day get there, its just not all that important to me. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=NC_Skins;853040]I can understand the "what do they want?" portion, the "they just want a hand out" crap is a bit lame and probably exaggerated to the fullest. That's what they want you to believe.

Again, corporate media ran by corporate America.[/quote]

Now why would anyone think you hate corporations?

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=NC_Skins;853040]I can understand the "what do they want?" portion, the "they just want a hand out" crap is a bit lame and probably exaggerated to the fullest. That's what they want you to believe.

Again, [B]corporate media[/B] ran by corporate America.







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Not like that chopped up video you posted that blocked out the cops telling those protesters about them getting ready to hit them with tear gas over and over again for 5 minutes.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=saden1;853025]Give me a fcking break...the real bottom line is they were caught giving an Oscar worthy beat-down and managed to avoided getting their salad tossed in prison. It's no secrete that in America 10 white jurors let alone one is one too many to criminally convict white police officers "doing their job."

But hey, everyone deserves a fair trial and not guilty means not guilty. If lady Karma got to O.J. I am confident she will get at them too..[/quote]

Okay, fine. I am not in any way shape or form defend the cops in the R. King matter. My only point is that, while still benefitting from internal protections, police are subject to higher levels of scrutiny and are subject to sanction than at any time in the past.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

A 1 Percenter's thoughts:

[url=http://mrctv.org/videos/peter-schiff-takes-99]Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%' | MRCTV[/url]

[url=http://mrctv.org/blog/peter-schiff-takes-99-part-2]Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%', Part 2 | MRCTV[/url]

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=hooskins;852987]How dare you not have a polarized option![/quote]

i sicken myself....

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;853043]Now why would anyone think you hate corporations?[/quote]

Listen. I've been upfront with my beef with corporations. My beef with corporations is over their influence in our government and our NEWS.


Get that? Good. Let's not make me repeat this for the 100th time.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

SS,

I hope you are trying to make the point that all of these movements have people in them that are dumb. I really rather not start posting YouTube videos at Tea Party rallies.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=mlmpetert;853047]A 1 Percenter's thoughts:

[url=http://mrctv.org/blog/peter-schiff-takes-99-part-2]Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%', Part 2 | MRCTV[/url][/quote]


His claim that he was paying more income taxes than the majority of the people around is not quite truthful. The overall number may be more, but I am willing to guarantee you that the people around him are paying a higher percentage of their salary to taxes then he is.

See, that's what wealthy people do. They like to take a statistic and skew it so it makes them look like the good guy.


Rich guy makes 100,000,000 and pays 1% tax so he pays $1,000,000 in taxes. Middle class guy makes $50,000 and pays 30% in taxes so he pays $15,000 in taxes. So in the end the rich guy pays more, but is he paying his fair share? Hell no...lol He's paying 1% as compared to the guy paying 30%.

(those numbers were used as an example)


Also, his claim that don't tax corporations because they pass it along to consumers. Well, that may be true, but it's not like they are going to reduce the price of the product even if you don't reduce the taxes. Corporations have shown since the Regan era that reducing taxes does nothing but get them higher profit wages. The livelihood of the middle class man has pretty much stayed the same if not gotten worse.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=mlmpetert;853041]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]To echo SS, we have all made choices that reflect what we want in life and what were willing to do to get it. Would i like to be a billionaire CEO and have multiple vacation homes. Sure. But i personally have not done the things required to get to that point, nor am willing to put in the effort and time or take the chance to one day get there, its just not all that important to me. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

yeah thats me to. im not out to work harder than everyone else so i can be a millionaire. i dont want a mansion, i dont want multiple high end cars.

i want to work, be good at my job and be paid accordingly (70k plus bonus to increase with inflation/cost of living). i want to be able to leave work at 5-6 most days, have dinner with the kids, if i want to go to disneyworld i will plan and save a few months ahead, send the kid to state college if he doesnt get a scholarship, by the time im 45 have a house big enough for a guest bedroom, have decent healthcare, play golf on saturdays and drink beer on sundays.

that is the american dream and im an american.

what i dont need is BofA scamming me out of my money when im low on funds. what i dont need is being overly taxed b/c govt cant control themselves and give benefits to their corporate friends.

build hospitals and schools with my tax money, not bombs and schools in iraq. **** iraq.

taxes already take what? 45% of our paychecks off the break. then they tax me 4.5k in property tax for a city that cant fill a pot hole and hire police that cut in line and treat you like shit.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

There is one thing I do disagree with when it comes to criticizing OWS. I think they are effective, in that we are talking about this and they are getting great media coverage. In terms of creating real and lasting change, that is yet to be seen but they clearly have an impact. That's why I think a lot of people think it's way too simplistic to just paint them as hippies who will never make any impact. (Just like it is too simplistic to paint the Tea Party as religious right wing nutjobs).

Like Lotus said, the movement reflects a general feeling of distrust and anger towards our government, which I think something members in the Right and Left share. OWS simply isn't going to go away based on police patrols and tear gas. As mentioned before, it would be interesting to see if they do start organizing a bit more in terms of concrete goals and measures.

I may just be repeating points in different ways, but I think it's wrong to say OWS is completely ineffective.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

i might just join occupy baltimore this sunday . . .drunk. im kinda pissed off right now and im sober.

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[quote=over the mountain;853034]OVERDRAFT FEES BY BANK OF AMERICA


a third kick in the nuts. BofA bought my freakin home mortgage the second i bought a house. those bastards.

[url=http://www.topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/1264-details-on-filing-claims-for-bofa-overdraft-settlement-arrive]Details on Filing Claims for BofA Overdraft Settlement Arrive[/url]-[/quote]



Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

[url=http://www.newser.com/story/132040/big-banks-decide-against-debit-card-fees.html]Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead[/url]


Oh wait.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=over the mountain;853059]i might just join occupy baltimore this sunday . . .drunk. im kinda pissed off right now and im sober.[/quote]

I'd go while the game on.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=hooskins;853057]There is one thing I do disagree with when it comes to criticizing OWS. I think they are effective, in that we are talking about this and they are getting great media coverage. In terms of creating real and lasting change, that is yet to be seen but they clearly have an impact. That's why I think a lot of people think it's way too simplistic to just paint them as hippies who will never make any impact. (Just like it is too simplistic to paint the Tea Party as religious right wing nutjobs).

Like Lotus said, the movement reflects a general feeling of distrust and anger towards our government, which I think something members in the Right and Left share. OWS simply isn't going to go away based on police patrols and tear gas. As mentioned before, it would be interesting to see if they do start organizing a bit more in terms of concrete goals and measures.

I may just be repeating points in different ways, but I[B] think it's wrong to say OWS is completely ineffective.[/B][/quote]

Well said, I would agree. The question that, however, looms is "Okay, where do we go from here?" Two more months of standing in the park creating a health hazard and disrupting traffic gets us where? In a little over one year, their will be a significant election - an opportunity to effect some real change, if only on an incremental scale. What's the plan guys? Get out of the park and get some folks out there who can be in a position to effect change - the time is now.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=NC_Skins;853061]Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

[URL="http://www.newser.com/story/132040/big-banks-decide-against-debit-card-fees.html"]Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead[/URL]


Oh wait.[/quote]

i saw this, havent read up on it yet. ive threatened to leave BofA before but they bank on people like me going for the lazy convenient way.

since they bought out my mortgage its nice to just transfer over money from my checking to pay monthly.

bastards i really want to switch.

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

Yeah guys. All this media coverage I see shows these guys to be stupid, and want free shit. *rolls eyes*


Try reading this:


[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15284660]BBC News - The start of something new?[/url]


[quote]The people I talk to are earnest, intelligent and mostly young.

Most of the coverage of the Occupy movements that I have seen suggests the movement is incoherent in its demands.

Not in Nashville. In one way or another, everyone I talk to says the problem is that big corporations dictate politics in America. [/quote]


Now. Look at this media compared to the trash you guys are looking at. Now you see why I have such disdain for corporate media in America?

Re: 'Occupy' types
 

[quote=NC_Skins;853054]His claim that he was paying more income taxes than the majority of the people around is not quite truthful. The overall number may be more, [B]but I am willing to guarantee you that the people around him are paying a higher percentage of their salary to taxes then he is.[/B]

[B]See, that's what wealthy people do. They like to take a statistic and skew it so it makes them look like the good guy.[/B]

Also, his claim that don't tax corporations because they pass it along to consumers. Well, that may be true, but it's not like they are going to reduce the price of the product even if you don't reduce the taxes. Corporations have shown since the Regan era that reducing taxes does nothing but get them higher profit wages. The livelihood of the middle class man has pretty much stayed the same if not gotten worse.[/quote]

I see your guarantee and raise you the IRS's guarantee that your wrong:

[IMG]http://cdn.financialsamurai.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/toptaxes.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011/04/12/how-much-money-do-the-top-income-earners-make-percent/"]How Much Money Do The Top Income Earners Make By Percentage? | Financial Samurai[/URL]

1 Percenters on average like Peter Schiff pay 23.27% of their income to taxes, while us 99 percenters on average pay less then 12.24%. Lets say the IRS is wrong though and the all the poeple around him do pay a higher percent then he does, would you support a flat tax so that everyone, regardless of social class, is treated equally?

And if you replaced "wealthy" with anyother minority or even majority group of people it sounds pretty conspiracy theoryish or hatefull. Jut sayin

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[quote=NC_Skins;853061]Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

[url=http://www.newser.com/story/132040/big-banks-decide-against-debit-card-fees.html]Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead[/url]


Oh wait.[/quote]

Where and when has anyone suggested that "protesting doesn't work"? Effective, relevant and goal oriented protesting has always been an effective way of creating change. In this case, the protest was incredibly effective b/c it had a specific goal and manifesting the protest by creating an tangible economic measure - loss of customers.

There was a specific goal: eliminate fees, and a specific course of action directly relevant to that goal: take your money out of a bank that imposes fees. Simple, easy and direct.

Right now, as Lotus eloquently pointed out earlier and others have reiterated, OWS simply has not articulated a goal that can be accomplished - not a simple one, not a complex one. Rather, right now, it is just people complaining about problems and that is not, and has never been, an effective way to protest.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;853039]And there is the crux of it ... you accuse others of judging you and yet you blatantly judge others. [/quote]


I figured if that type of debate was good for you guys, then I should follow suit. Hey, you're lucky I kept it simple. I was going to ramble about you all being most likely racist since you like to stereotype people. Generally those that like to stereotype usually end up being racists as well. See how stupid that sounds? I agree. Let's stop the stereotyping going on in here. Thanks in advance.


Group hug?

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[quote=hooskins;853053]SS,

I hope you are trying to make the point that all of these movements have people in them that are dumb. I really rather not start posting YouTube videos at Tea Party rallies.[/quote]

Not trying to prove any point. Just found it comical

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Brief intermission.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbqtlqk4LFU&feature=player_embedded]Foo Fighters - These Days Album Version - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=nc_skins;853072]i figured if that type of debate was good for you guys, then i should follow suit. Hey, you're lucky i kept it simple. I was going to ramble about you all being most likely racist since you like to stereotype people. Generally those that like to stereotype usually end up being racists as well. See how stupid that sounds? I agree. Let's stop the stereotyping going on in here. Thanks in advance.


[b]group hug?[/b] [/quote]

#99%+1%=1<3<3%

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[quote=NC_Skins;853067]Yeah guys. All this media coverage I see shows these guys to be stupid, and want free shit. *rolls eyes*

Try reading this:

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15284660]BBC News - The start of something new?[/url]

Now. Look at this media compared to the trash you guys are looking at. Now you see why I have such disdain for corporate media in America?[/quote]

Strangely enough, every time I type in "Who is in OWS" or something similar I get a wide range of opinions from a variety of outlets; some just as blatantly slanted in the other direction - to read them you would believe that everyone in the OWS is a college graduate and that the park is a true utopia of clean living occupied by philosopher kings/queens.

Yes. Some media outlets cater to certain crowds. As I said earlier, the facts are out there and they show that OWS is made up of both the educated and the stupid; of free loaders and truly disenfranchised; and of people with high ideals and others with somewhat baser instincts. Which groups are emphasized depend on what channel you tune in.