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[quote=Mattyk;854170]Problem is we can't run the ball effectively right now either. The injuries on the OL have really hurt.[/quote]

It's hard to run the ball with only one running play. The defense already knows what we're going to run. If that one play isn't working then time to put in some more run plays. Time to put Banks in the wildcat. Buffalo did it so why can't we? Kyle has no idea how to diversify his offense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854173]It's hard to run the ball with only one running play. The defense already knows what we're going to run. If that one play isn't working then time to put in some more run plays. Time to put Banks in the wildcat. Buffalo did it so why can't we? Kyle has no idea how to diversify his offense.[/quote]

With the state of our o-line right now, Banks would get killed running the wildcat. I don't fault anyone for not running the ball now, but we didn't run the ball when the o-line was healthy.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854175]With the state of our o-line right now, Banks would get killed running the wildcat. I don't fault anyone for not running the ball now, but we didn't run the ball when the o-line was healthy.[/quote]

Not buying it. So tired of the injury excuse. One run play isn't what I call a good game plan. How about forcing a below average defense have to prepare for more run plays?

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Not yet.

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[quote=Mattyk;854150]Well, they did choose to pass over some viable free agents. I have a hard time believing someone like Matt Hasselbeck couldn't have come in and done a better job than what we've seen from Rex & Beck.
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Beck hasn't played bad in games up until yesterday. That said, do you think Hasselbeck (or even Tom Brady) would have fared any better yesterday from the play of our OL/WR?


No run block or pass blocking at all from that group yesterday.

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Sorry, but if we let Mike Shanahan go we're just setting ourselves up for more years of mediocrity. Kyle Shanahan on the other hand...

I don't think we have to get rid of Kyle S., but he does need to diversify up his offense and learn to attack opponents' weaknesses better. He just wants to pass all day, and even the best passing offenses know how valuable running the ball is. I hope we have the players next year that fit what Kyle S. wants to do, because right now it looks like injuries are really going to limit our effectiveness on offense for the rest of the year.

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We are getting better. Last yr the Eagles scored 28 points in the first qtr and this year only 20 points the entire game.

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[quote=Mattyk;854170]Problem is we can't run the ball effectively right now either. The injuries on the OL have really hurt.[/quote]

We don't even try. Good ground attacks keep going back to the well. What doesn't work in the first quarter may produce a long touchdown in the 4th quarter when the defense is winded.

And it is not just the number of runs which lead me to say that we don't try. It is also the variety of plays. We have stretch left and stretch right. That seems to be about it, excluding a brilliant reverse on the second play of the game.

Kyle didn't have a real ground game in Houston, either, but they developed one after he left with much of the same personnel.

In the end, the run may or may not work. But trying to milk a passing game out of Wrecks and Beck has no chance.

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Well the Texans added Arian Foster, that was the major change. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the Texans didn't attempt to run the ball last year any more than when KS was the OC in 2009

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Playing Cooley at FB twice in the same set of downs tells me Kyle is innovative and a risk taker.
However sometimes its a fine line between being innovative and being an idiot.

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Not sure why playing Cooley at FB was such a big deal. He played H-back under Gibbs and had similar responsibilities.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848401]But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Not if you make a dramatic change to the defense. While our D is now decent (maybe even good) after a horrible year last season, we still spent money and draft picks to fix something that wasnt broken. The opportunity cost of doing that is in my opinion reflected on our offense.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont think Mike should be on the hot seat by any means but i think Kyle should be. But thats the problem with hiring your friend or family (regardless of merit), the situation is much more dynamic that just business. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Bottom line Kyle was totally outcoached by George Edwards yesterday. People can talk about Kyle's days in Houston all they want. I really don't care what he did in Houston. He's here now and his offense has been awful and it was down right atrocious yesterday.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854111]I still maintain that people are unfairly harsh on Kyle becaue of his last name. He hasn't been riding his father's coattails. He'll prove a lot of people here wrong before you know it[/quote]

I sincerely, genuinely and enthusiastically hope you're right duder.

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My biggest beef with Mike Shanahan is that I don’t know where he adds value. He doesn’t call offensive or defensive plays and he doesn’t seem to have the team prepared to play consistently. If hes leaving everything up the assistant coaches that’s fine, but at what point does he step in?

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[quote=The Goat;848365]Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.[/quote]


I agree. Mike Shanahan supposedly knows quarterbacks. He's coached the best. Steve Young, John Elway, Jake Plummer, and Jay Cutler. Grossman is only in Washington because he played for Kyle in Houston. Beck is here because Mike Shanahan liked him since his days at BYU. But it's clear as crystal that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are going to have to draft a quarterback in April. I would like to see them select Landry Jones. If they can somehow get Andrew Luck, which I doubt they will, then Landry Jones is the next best thing. Jones is certainly more capable than either Grossman or Beck.

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if I hafta see another game filled with 10 yd cushions. smh I might drive off a cliff

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oh and I'm sick of our high-school offense. plz fire kyle

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The problem is Kyle isn't going to leave. We're stuck with him..

I just hope at some point Mike says, back off let me save our name.

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[quote=mooby]"... [Kyle] just wants to pass all day, and even the best passing offenses know how valuable running the ball is."[/quote]

[quote=Lotus;854194]"We don't even try. Good ground attacks keep going back to the well. What doesn't work in the first quarter may produce a long touchdown in the 4th quarter when the defense is winded."[/quote]

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block [U]and[/U] they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels [B]12 years ago.[/B] Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

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[quote=Beemnseven;854238]Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block [U]and[/U] they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels [B]12 years ago.[/B] Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.[/quote]

You don't seem to understand. Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try. Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.

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We could [I]try[/I] to run the ball all day, bottom line is with the line the way it is now, we're just not going to be able to run effectively.

So not only can we not run, we can't pass, and we obviously couldn't score yesterday.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854207]Well the Texans added Arian Foster, that was the major change. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the Texans didn't attempt to run the ball last year any more than when KS was the OC in 2009[/quote]

Actually Foster was on the Texans roster in 2009, Kyle's last year there.

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[quote=Beemnseven;854238]Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block [U]and[/U] they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels [B]12 years ago.[/B] Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.[/quote]

With Wrecks and Beck a decent passing offense is impossible.

What other choice is left but a good faith effort at a running game?

Perhaps a running game won't work. Perhaps. But the passing game has no hope.

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[quote=mooby;854240]You don't seem to understand. [B]Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try.[/B] Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.[/quote]

They did try. Torrain had 1.8 yards per carry. Look, I don't have time to post the play by play, but here's the [URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011103007/2011/REG8/redskins@bills#menu=gameinfo"]link.[/URL] Just look at all of the carries by Torrain for 1 and 2 yard runs. Also take note that we were down 20-0 at the start of the 3rd quarter.

If the offensive line opens up the running lanes and they can get some yardage running the ball, you'll see more running plays.

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...and I AM a tad butt-hurt a poll was added to MY thread w/o my explicit permission :)

I will vote after week 17.

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i am disappointed in our coaching staff for not recognizing the problems and making adjustments.

if the run game is going no where, try some short screens and hits that work like a run game. they should have anticipated the run game getting shut down or atleast planned for a "what if" scenario.

just didnt expect beck to be that hesitant either.

where the hell has the long ball gone? last year the big play was a consistent occurrence for our offense, this year it seems like we are back to the same ole in the box offense that doesnt stretch the field.

i know kyles offense can work big plays, weve seen it before.

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[quote=Beemnseven;854268]They did try. Torrain had 1.8 yards per carry. Look, I don't have time to post the play by play, but here's the [URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011103007/2011/REG8/redskins@bills#menu=gameinfo"]link.[/URL] Just look at all of the carries by Torrain for 1 and 2 yard runs. Also take note that we were down 20-0 at the start of the 3rd quarter.

If the offensive line opens up the running lanes and they can get some yardage running the ball, you'll see more running plays.[/quote]Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.

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[quote=GTripp0012;854300]Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. [B]We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it,[/B] but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.[/quote]

Totally 100% disagree here. Why are you so down on Torain????? I think he's proven that when he has some daylight he can break tackles and make yardage. We've seen him do it. Yesterday there was simply nowhere to run.

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ALSO...can someone explain why there wasn't a no huddle offense? I swear if I were Snyder, and thank god I'm not, I'd walk in Redskin Park today and fire Kyle Shanahan.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854301]Totally 100% disagree here. Why are you so down on Torain????? I think he's proven that when he has some daylight he can break tackles and make yardage. We've seen him do it. Yesterday there was simply nowhere to run.[/quote]I can't apply this to yesterday's game, but the eye in the sky says otherwise. Torain runs to early contact because he doesn't see where the lane is. He does worse with the blocking he gets than most RBs do.

I've seen him do it, but only against awful run defenses (with one exception: the 2010 Chicago Bears, best game of his career). What has Torain ever done to the Cowboys or the Giants on the ground?

Helu didn't get a rushing yard yesterday. Until we're going to let our best runner touch the football, we can't say we're not talented. This is a problem Kyle had in Houston as well, difference being, he could evade criticism by ignoring the running game. Here, he cant get away with that.

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Funny how we lose Hightower and now have no running game. Guy was huge for us.

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[quote=Chico23231;854307]Funny how we lose Hightower and now have no running game. Guy was huge for us.[/quote]

We haven't had much of a running game since the Giants game...except maybe the Rams game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854313]We haven't had much of a running game since the Giants game...except maybe the Rams game.[/quote]

We were running it down Carolina's throat the entire first half until Hightower went down.

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Hey, remember the Spurrier era? The worst head coach in team history?

The Redskins had better offenses and better teams under Spurrier in both years than Mike Shanahan has.

So I'm pretty shocked that 71% of us don't think his seat should be getting hot.

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[quote=GTripp0012;854300]Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. [B]We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.[/B]

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.[/quote]

That was my argument in several posts above. I tebow to your post.

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[quote=GTripp0012;854326]Hey, remember the Spurrier era? The worst head coach in team history?

The Redskins had better offenses and better teams under Spurrier in both years than Mike Shanahan has.

So I'm pretty shocked that 71% of us don't think his seat should be getting hot.[/quote]

I agree. I like a few of the individual pieces that Shanny has added to the team (Kerrigan, Trent Williams to name a few), but the overall team performance has been pretty dismal. Plus he's wiffed BIG time with his QB decisions. Doesn't speak very well of you as a HC when you've bungled the most important position on the field numerous times in less than 2 full seasons.

I was never sold on Shanny coming here, and I'm even less sold now than I was the day he was hired. I know things take time and he wasn't coming into an ideal situation by any means, but he's not really doing a lot on a weekly basis to inspire any confidence moving forward. The last few weeks we haven't even looked competitive.

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The Spurrier era was perhaps the biggest mess I've seen in all my years "in the biz". What's happening now really doesn't compare in my opinion.

Mike Shanahan wasn't my first choice, probably not even my second. But I think you don't quit on him. Not yet at least. I wish we had gotten a QB this past year. And maybe the lockout impacted that decision not to go for one. I mean I know it did, just don't know to what extent. However, I don't feel like Shanahan and Allen and co. are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs in lieu of getting a QB. We are making other personnel moves that I believe will benefit us once we get a QB...which hopefully will be in April 2012...unless Crompton's our guy! (that one's for Lotus)

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[quote=GMScud;854333]I agree. I like a few of the individual pieces that Shanny has added to the team (Kerrigan, Trent Williams to name a few), but the overall team performance has been pretty dismal. Plus he's wiffed BIG time with his QB decisions. Doesn't speak very well of you as a HC when you've bungled the most important position on the field numerous times in less than 2 full seasons.

I was never sold on Shanny coming here, and I'm even less sold now than I was the day he was hired. I know things take time and he wasn't coming into an ideal situation by any means, but he's not really doing a lot on a weekly basis to inspire any confidence moving forward. The last few weeks we haven't even looked competitive.[/quote]

Completely agree here. I was so hoping I was wrong (still do) about Shanny after the first few games, but he's missed it three times in a row regarding the QB position and deserves some major heat over his mishandling/mis-managing the position.

Unless John Beck provides a major spark and exceeds expectations, I don't know where the team goes from here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854303]ALSO...can someone explain why there wasn't a no huddle offense? I swear if I were Snyder, and thank god I'm not, I'd walk in Redskin Park today and fire Kyle Shanahan.[/quote]


EXCELLENT question! Remember how important it was for the QB to be able to hurry up and run the 2-minute offense? Remember how impressed the coaches were with John Beck and the tempo at which he played?

Here are three games in a row where the Redskins have been behind and there has been no semblance of a hurry-up offense. So what happened to the tempo?