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[quote=NC_Skins;857733][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10399373"]Mike McQueary Will Have to Publicly Live with His Cowardice: A Fan's Perspective - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

The cross arrows are pointed at McQueary now and rightfully so. This guy should be dragged behind a truck out of town. ****ing piece of shit coward, and even more so his father for giving that shit ass advice.[/quote]


I can't even read that whole article without wanting to smash something. I am so fawking pissed right now, I knew I should have not tired to read that.


The guy is huge he couldn't step in and stop this! What a coward, what a POS coward.

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Holy shit!!

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11]Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids To Rich Donors[/url]

This rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper.

I don't know if you all have heard the latest rumor. Repeat this is a rumor. But coming from some reputable sources.

If it's true...I don't even have the words.

Rumor is Sandusky basically pimped out Second Mile kids to major PSU donors for their deviant needs.

Beat me to it NC. Didn't realize there was already a link out there

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This is going to go down as the biggest sex scandal in American history.


I can only imagine if something like this is occurring somewhere in America right now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;857753]I don't know if you all have heard the latest rumor. Repeat this is a rumor. But coming from some reputable sources.

If it's true...I don't even have the words.

Rumor is Sandusky basically pumped out Second Mile kids to major PSU donors for their deviant needs.[/quote]

One would think that at this point I and we couldn't be shacked by anything...but this...this absolutely floors me. I'm not even sure what to think. The ramifications alone are just astounding. My god.

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[quote=SmootSmack;857754]Beat me to it NC. Didn't realize there was already a link out there[/quote]

[url=http://audio.weei.com/a/48513317/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter]Boston Celtics featured video and audio brought to you by WEEI Boston's Sports Radio[/url]


A good interview with Mark Madden who has been covering this Grand Jury for 2 years now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;857753]I don't know if you all have heard the latest rumor. Repeat this is a rumor. But coming from some reputable sources.

If it's true...I don't even have the words.

Rumor is Sandusky basically pumped out Second Mile kids to major PSU donors for their deviant needs.[/quote]

No way that can be true...it keeps getting worse. OMG WTF!!!!

I mean IF this is true, im sorry NCAA needs to step in

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[quote=mredskins;857755]This is going to go down as the biggest sex scandal in American history.


[B]I can only imagine if something like this is occurring somewhere in America right now.[/B][/quote]
Well it is. Statistically speaking it is happening right this very second in probably more than one place. Welcome to the human race! We let everyone into the club!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;857753]I don't know if you all have heard the latest rumor. Repeat this is a rumor. But coming from some reputable sources.

If it's true...I don't even have the words.

Rumor is Sandusky basically pimped out Second Mile kids to major PSU donors for their deviant needs.[/quote]

I saw this article mentioned by SS' nemesis Adam Schefter...

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;857760]Well it is. Statistically speaking it is happening right this very second in probably more than one place. Welcome to the human race! We let everyone into the club!![/quote]

I meant to the magnitude of this case.

How can man be so evil? I feel awful after I yell at Comcast for screwing up my cable and these monsters walk around destroying other people, children at that!

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[quote=NC_Skins;857751]Holy shit!!

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11]Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids To Rich Donors[/url]

This rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper.[/quote]

:vomit::soapbox::cussing::hitfan:

Sickening. I don't feel like I can adequately describe how ****ing sick that is. Every single one of those pricks involved in this need to burn in hell.

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I mean I gotta think at least some of that is true. That's not something you just randomly make up

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[QUOTE] @ESPN_BigTen Rittenberg/Bennett

McQueary will coach on Saturday. Bradley says it will be decided later where McQueary will be during game

7 minutes ago via TweetDeck[/QUOTE]


He should be hanging from a flag pole outside the stadium.

Head scratching to say the least.

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I can't believe all those dumbass students who rioted over this decision. What a massive fail that is.

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[quote=GMScud;857777]I can't believe all those dumbass students who rioted over this decision. What a massive fail that is.[/quote]

I agree completely. When I read about that I was like, wtf are they rioting for? Do they support child molestation? Penn State never had a reputation for being one of the smartest schools in the country, but how are you gonna riot in support of a guy who stood by and did nothing while this sick perverted rapist was abusing kids in the school facilities. Idiots, all of them.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857758][URL="http://audio.weei.com/a/48513317/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter"]Boston Celtics featured video and audio brought to you by WEEI Boston's Sports Radio[/URL]


A good interview with Mark Madden who has been covering this Grand Jury for 2 years now.[/quote]


That link made my heart skip, I was thinking the Celtics were wrapped up in this some how!

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[url=http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2011/november/president+emmerts+statement+on+penn+state]President Emmerts statement on Penn State - NCAA.org[/url]

Not that this means much, but a statement from the NCAA. Not sure what they could really do since NCAA infractions weren't broken.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857785][url=http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2011/november/president+emmerts+statement+on+penn+state]President Emmerts statement on Penn State - NCAA.org[/url]

Not that this means much, but a statement from the NCAA. Not sure what they could really do since NCAA infractions weren't broken.[/quote]

No rule from the NCAA that says you can't do criminal activities on school grounds? No rule from the NCAA that says if members of your football team conspire to cover up criminal activities that transpired on school grounds, they should be punished accordingly?

Honestly, I don't think the football players on the team deserve to be punished for their coach's transgressions, but punishment in some form needs to be served to those involved.

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Seems kind of strange that Sandusky would all of a sudden retire and never coach again at the age of 55. If that doesn't smell of cover then I don't know what does.

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[quote=Ruhskins;857762]I saw this article mentioned by SS' nemesis Adam Schefter...

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html[/URL][/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]One of the first things i thought when i first heard that sandusky was caught and not prosecuted back in 1999 was what the hell was the DA thinking and that the DA needs to lose his job asap. At a minimum you bring charges against someone you think is a pedophile even if you dont think you can get a conviction for whatever reason. After reading this article about the DA and hearing the rumors of sandusky pimping out kids i dont know what to think what else could have been going on . I mean the investigation started more than 2 years ago in secrecy and you have to think that investigators would follow up on any rumor no matter how slight in order to bust a child sex ring or other pedophiles. But you have MASSIVE cover up at PSU and The Second Mile and even at the DA’s office. You have to think a lot of these people where either paid off with money or jobs, or were pedophiles themselves. Also the families of these kids were probably bought too. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[url]http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf[/url]

heres a link to the GJ findings, read the last couple pages and didnt see it.

criminal penalties for child rapists need to be greatly enhanced. guys are getting 2, 3 maybe 10 years for repeatedly raping a child . . . 80s it was a slap on the wrist, 2011 its better but not where it needs to be . .

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[quote=GMScud;857777]I can't believe all those dumbass students who rioted over this decision. What a massive fail that is.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The way PSU fans are acting is completely shocking. What the hell are they thinking? I was a psyc minor and a major focus in a class I took was about our willingness to look the other way, with the rise of the nazis always used as the perfect example. You have all these people in power at PSU, The Second Mile and DA’s office looking the other way and covering things up for something they all know is wrong, most likely because it will tarnish reputations and bring down their organizations. Then you have average joes, like the wrestling coach at the hs, the grad assistant, the janitor and the families of these kids all looking the other way maybe because they were bought off, but also because the attitude of looking the other way is coming from the guidance of the people in power. And now you have PSU kids and fans reaffirming their faith in PSU and supporting Paterno even with knowledge of what he did, or didn’t do in his case. Students, alumni and fans are able to rationalize their support because even though Paterno and PSU allowed some horrible things to happen, overall Paterno and PSU have been beneficial to their lives and community, and they have a vested interest that Paterno and PSU retain a positive image. From the actual assaults, to the cover up, to other rumors and mysteries, and to the behavior of PSU fans everything is just sickening.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=over the mountain;857801][URL]http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf[/URL]

heres a link to the GJ findings, read the last couple pages and didnt see it.

[B]criminal penalties for child rapists need to be greatly enhanced.[/B] guys are getting 2, 3 maybe 10 years for repeatedly raping a child . . . 80s it was a slap on the wrist, 2011 its better but not where it needs to be . .[/quote]


Serisouly. And what kind of judge can let Sandusky out on 100k bond, in light of everything we know??? Even if its just to protect Sandusky from himself, whats the likelyhood that Sandusky isnt going to hurt or kill himself?

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[quote=mlmpetert;857799][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B]One of the first things i thought when i first heard that sandusky was caught and not prosecuted back in 1999 was what the hell was the DA thinking and that the DA needs to lose his job asap. [/B] At a minimum you bring charges against someone you think is a pedophile even if you dont think you can get a conviction for whatever reason. After reading this article about the DA and hearing the rumors of sandusky pimping out kids i dont know what to think what else could have been going on . I mean the investigation started more than 2 years ago in secrecy and you have to think that investigators would follow up on any rumor no matter how slight in order to bust a child sex ring or other pedophiles. But you have MASSIVE cover up at PSU and The Second Mile and even at the DA’s office. You have to think a lot of these people where either paid off with money or jobs, or were pedophiles themselves. Also the families of these kids were probably bought too. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I could have sworn I had heard this DA dissapeared years ago and no one knows what happened to him

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It's certainly been a devastating few days for the Penn State community. Like many Penn Staters I started out willing to give Paterno every possible benefit of the doubt, and I tried to do that. As more facts have come out it has become impossible to, even construing the facts in the light most favorable to Paterno, excuse his actions, to come up with any justification that holds water. He fell so short of the moral example the he seemed for so long to stand for that his firing was necessary, and he deserves the ignominy and the complete implosion of his entire legacy that will now follow. And once you take that step, once you realize that maybe this guy isn't what we all thought, the turn is swift and fierce. I've taken that step, but please understand that not all students and community members have. Humans are capable of engaging in extraordinary lengths of delusion when they really, really want to believe something. Religion is a good example of this. Rationalists like me scratch their heads as the world's religions compel seemingly sane people to do everything from the bizarre to the horrific. Penn State people are in a state of denial now, but I predict that as time goes on opinions will change, and when they do, once people take that step that I've taken, the retribution against Paterno will be ferocious. I predict that in ten years his likeness will have been entirely effaced from a campus in which you literally can't look in any direction without seeing his representation. That's my prediction and we'll see, but I would ask that you spare the student body your epithets and judgments. These are kids who just learned that there is no Santa Clause. They still aren't willing to accept that Paterno is culpable. That's not the same as supporting child molestation. I have faith in my community and think they'll come around.

To people on here wishing ruin, insolvency, and whatever else on my university and on people who had nothing to do with any of this, seriously, go to hell. People like Mooby, save your potshots. Penn State has never been known for being smart? Wrong, it is one of the most respected academic institutions in the country, that's just a fact. I go to Harvard now and I can honestly tell you that, at its best, Penn State comes close. And I appreciate it so much more as an institution, now that I've seen what true privilege looks like. I love being a public school kid who competes and wins against these coddled rich kids.

At its worst Penn State can be quite a bit worse than Harvard. We have a history of rioting ([url=http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state]Michael Weinreb tries to make sense of the state of chaos in State College - Grantland[/url]), and not usually over things of great importance. We rioted once because we made it to the Sweet 16. And ESPN seemed interested only in interviewing besotted frat boys rather than those 40 thousand or so students who weren't in the Canyon last night.

Anyway that's all I got, peaceout.

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[quote=htownskinfan;857813]I could have sworn I had heard this DA dissapeared years ago and no one knows what happened to him[/quote]

Interesting.... Something doesn't smell right here

[url=http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html]DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005 | NBC Philadelphia[/url]

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[quote=djnemo65;857814]It's certainly been a devastating few days for the Penn State community. Like many Penn Staters I started out willing to give Paterno every possible benefit of the doubt, and I tried to do that. As more facts have come out it has become impossible to, even construing the facts in the light most favorable to Paterno, excuse his actions, to come up with any justification that holds water. He fell so short of the moral example the he seemed for so long to stand for that his firing was necessary, and he deserves the ignominy and the complete implosion of his entire legacy that will now follow. And once you take that step, once you realize that maybe this guy isn't what we all thought, the turn is swift and fierce. I've taken that step, but please understand that not all students and community members have. Humans are capable of engaging in extraordinary lengths of delusion when they really, really want to believe something. Religion is a good example of this. Rationalists like me scratch their heads as the world's religions compel seemingly sane people to do everything from the bizarre to the horrific. Penn State people are in a state of denial now, but I predict that as time goes on opinions will change, and when they do, once people take that step that I've taken, the retribution against Paterno will be ferocious. I predict that in ten years his likeness will have been entirely effaced from a campus in which you literally can't look in any direction without seeing his representation. That's my prediction and we'll see, but I would ask that you spare the student body your epithets and judgments. These are kids who just learned that there is no Santa Clause. They still aren't willing to accept that Paterno is culpable. That's not the same as supporting child molestation. I have faith in my community and think they'll come around.

To people on here wishing ruin, insolvency, and whatever else on my university and on people who had nothing to do with any of this, seriously, go to hell. People like Mooby, save your potshots. Penn State has never been known for being smart? Wrong, it is one of the most respected academic institutions in the country, that's just a fact. I go to Harvard now and I can honestly tell you that, at its best, Penn State comes close. And I appreciate it so much more as an institution, now that I've seen what true privilege looks like. I love being a public school kid who competes and wins against these coddled rich kids.

At its worst Penn State can be quite a bit worse than Harvard. We have a history of rioting ([URL="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state"]Michael Weinreb tries to make sense of the state of chaos in State College - Grantland[/URL]), and not usually over things of great importance. We rioted once because we made it to the Sweet 16. And ESPN seemed interested only in interviewing besotted frat boys rather than those 40 thousand or so students who weren't in the Canyon last night.

Anyway that's all I got, peaceout.[/quote]

Great post and I agree to rake all PSU folks across the coals for this is crazy.

As far as Mooby's comments I don't think he meant any harm, I have two close family members that went there and I kind of think of it as a party school as well but I also know a lot of great minds are there as well. I think the general public's opinion of any large state school is that it is a party school.

I don't know the numbers but I am willing to bet more folks go there for a year or two party like crazy and drop out vs. those that actually graduate. that is a true statement probably for 90 percent of large state colleges.

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[quote=GMScud;857817]Interesting.... Something doesn't smell right here

[URL="http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html"]DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005 | NBC Philadelphia[/URL][/quote]


Stuff like that makes you think this is a huge sex ring going on...like tons of cover up.

When this all boils down what will it be?

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[quote=htownskinfan;857813]I could have sworn I had heard this DA dissapeared years ago and no one knows what happened to him[/quote]

Yeah my comments were in refference to the NY Times artical orginally posted by Ruhskins, which is along the same lines of what GMScud just posted.

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[quote=djnemo65;857814]It's certainly been a devastating few days for the Penn State community. Like many Penn Staters I started out willing to give Paterno every possible benefit of the doubt, and I tried to do that. As more facts have come out it has become impossible to, even construing the facts in the light most favorable to Paterno, excuse his actions, to come up with any justification that holds water. He fell so short of the moral example the he seemed for so long to stand for that his firing was necessary, and he deserves the ignominy and the complete implosion of his entire legacy that will now follow. And once you take that step, once you realize that maybe this guy isn't what we all thought, the turn is swift and fierce. I've taken that step, but please understand that not all students and community members have. Humans are capable of engaging in extraordinary lengths of delusion when they really, really want to believe something. Religion is a good example of this. Rationalists like me scratch their heads as the world's religions compel seemingly sane people to do everything from the bizarre to the horrific. Penn State people are in a state of denial now, but I predict that as time goes on opinions will change, and when they do, once people take that step that I've taken, the retribution against Paterno will be ferocious. I predict that in ten years his likeness will have been entirely effaced from a campus in which you literally can't look in any direction without seeing his representation. That's my prediction and we'll see, but I would ask that you spare the student body your epithets and judgments. These are kids who just learned that there is no Santa Clause. They still aren't willing to accept that Paterno is culpable. That's not the same as supporting child molestation. I have faith in my community and think they'll come around.

To people on here wishing ruin, insolvency, and whatever else on my university and on people who had nothing to do with any of this, seriously, go to hell. People like Mooby, save your potshots. Penn State has never been known for being smart? Wrong, it is one of the most respected academic institutions in the country, that's just a fact. I go to Harvard now and I can honestly tell you that, at its best, Penn State comes close. And I appreciate it so much more as an institution, now that I've seen what true privilege looks like. I love being a public school kid who competes and wins against these coddled rich kids.

At its worst Penn State can be quite a bit worse than Harvard. We have a history of rioting ([url=http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state]Michael Weinreb tries to make sense of the state of chaos in State College - Grantland[/url]), and not usually over things of great importance. We rioted once because we made it to the Sweet 16. And ESPN seemed interested only in interviewing besotted frat boys rather than those 40 thousand or so students who weren't in the Canyon last night.

Anyway that's all I got, peaceout.[/quote]

Nice post, but to clarify there were several students who would only speak to ESPN (and I suspect others) off the record and off camera for fear of getting beat up for thinking the riots were ridiculous and Paterno should have been fired. So it wasn't for lack of trying or lack of interest that you didn't see those interviews. They were legitimately scared of what would happen to them.

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[quote=mredskins;857818]Great post and I agree to rake all PSU folks across the coals for this is crazy.

As far as Mooby's comments I don't think he meant any harm, I have two close family members that went there and I kind of think of it as a party school as well but I also know a lot of great minds are there as well. I think the general public's opinion of any large state school is that it is a party school.

[B]I don't know the numbers but I am willing to bet more folks go there for a year or two party like crazy and drop out vs. those that actually graduate. that is a true statement probably for 90 percent of large state colleges.[/B][/quote]

Absolutely true, although not at the main campus. There is a whole farm system of branch campuses that do not post very high graduation rates. People who make it straight to the main campus out of high school tend to be pretty good students though.

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[quote=djnemo65;857814]It's certainly been a devastating few days for the Penn State community. Like many Penn Staters I started out willing to give Paterno every possible benefit of the doubt, and I tried to do that. As more facts have come out it has become impossible to, even construing the facts in the light most favorable to Paterno, excuse his actions, to come up with any justification that holds water. He fell so short of the moral example the he seemed for so long to stand for that his firing was necessary, and he deserves the ignominy and the complete implosion of his entire legacy that will now follow. And once you take that step, once you realize that maybe this guy isn't what we all thought, the turn is swift and fierce. I've taken that step, but please understand that not all students and community members have. Humans are capable of engaging in extraordinary lengths of delusion when they really, really want to believe something. Religion is a good example of this. Rationalists like me scratch their heads as the world's religions compel seemingly sane people to do everything from the bizarre to the horrific. Penn State people are in a state of denial now, but I predict that as time goes on opinions will change, and when they do, once people take that step that I've taken, the retribution against Paterno will be ferocious. I predict that in ten years his likeness will have been entirely effaced from a campus in which you literally can't look in any direction without seeing his representation. That's my prediction and we'll see, but I would ask that you spare the student body your epithets and judgments. These are kids who just learned that there is no Santa Clause. They still aren't willing to accept that Paterno is culpable. That's not the same as supporting child molestation. I have faith in my community and think they'll come around.

To people on here wishing ruin, insolvency, and whatever else on my university and on people who had nothing to do with any of this, seriously, go to hell. People like Mooby, save your potshots. Penn State has never been known for being smart? Wrong, it is one of the most respected academic institutions in the country, that's just a fact. I go to Harvard now and I can honestly tell you that, at its best, Penn State comes close. And I appreciate it so much more as an institution, now that I've seen what true privilege looks like. I love being a public school kid who competes and wins against these coddled rich kids.

At its worst Penn State can be quite a bit worse than Harvard. We have a history of rioting ([URL="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state"]Michael Weinreb tries to make sense of the state of chaos in State College - Grantland[/URL]), and not usually over things of great importance. We rioted once because we made it to the Sweet 16. And ESPN seemed interested only in interviewing besotted frat boys rather than those 40 thousand or so students who weren't in the Canyon last night.

Anyway that's all I got, peaceout.[/quote]

Good post, Nemo. I would say most good state universities, at their best, come close to Harvard. And by their best, I mean those respective schools' brighest minds.

I do agree with what you're saying for the most part, especially about those people who are wishing that the entire university fall to pieces. That's a totally ignorant thing to say- hoping innocent people lose their jobs and educations.

One thing I'm not ready to do is to give the rioting students a pass. I'm not saying that their doing so is advocating child abuse, but they should know better. It's not like Paterno is getting railroaded here. He was implicit in the cover-up and protection of a man who committed some of the most heinous acts imaginable. So yeah, he got fired. WTF are they rioting about?

I know it's your alma mater so it hits hard. If this was going on at the University of Florida, I'd be devastated. But I don't think those rioting students should be spared from any sort of criticism, judgement, or prosecution for that matter. They may represent a minority as far as the student body, but they're stupid.

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[quote=GMScud;857824]Good post, Nemo. I would say most good state universities, at their best, come close to Harvard. And by their best, I mean those respective schools' brighest minds.

I do agree with what you're saying for the most part, especially about those people who are wishing that the entire university fall to pieces. That's a totally ignorant thing to say- hoping innocent people lose their jobs and educations.

One thing I'm not ready to do is to give the rioting students a pass. I'm not saying that their doing so is advocating child abuse, but they should know better. It's not like Paterno is getting railroaded here. He was implicit in the cover-up and protection of a man who committed some of the most heinous acts imaginable. So yeah, he got fired. WTF are they rioting about?

I know it's your alma mater so it hits hard. If this was going on at the University of Florida, I'd be devastated. But I don't think those rioting students should be spared from any sort of criticism, judgement, or prosecution for that matter. They may represent a minority as far as the student body, but they're stupid.[/quote]


Well that's a compelling take which I respect, thanks for being even-handed

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Could the university actually fall apart though? I mean even before all this the state government was considering cutting subsidies to PSU, for economic reasons. If they cut subsidies, if the DOE gets involved and levies fines or whatever, if there are millions of dollars in civil suits, if the application rate drops significantly...could that effectively destroy the university. Not just the football team, but the whole university

I can tell you there are already advertisers who are demanding to have their ads pulled from any game involving Penn State.

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[quote=djnemo65;857823]Absolutely true, although not at the main campus. There is a whole farm system of branch campuses that do not post very high graduation rates. People who make it straight to the main campus out of high school tend to be pretty good students though.[/quote]


Really my sister went to Mount Alto for a year then main campus, she felt like the ones who came start from HS usually dropped out.

Honestly though and I am not trying to push your buttons I went school for Hotel Management (Cornell) and Penn State was like my fall back fall back school if all else fell through, like it was my complete safety net. Now that maybe totally untrue in other fields of study there but as far as hotel schools PSU was the easy one to get into.

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[quote=over the mountain;857801][url]http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf[/url]

heres a link to the GJ findings, read the last couple pages and didnt see it.

criminal penalties for child rapists need to be greatly enhanced. guys are getting 2, 3 maybe 10 years for repeatedly raping a child . . . 80s it was a slap on the wrist, 2011 its better but not where it needs to be . .[/quote]

Sadly the punishment needs to remain life in prison. If you start giving child molesters the death penalty for child rape, then there's more incentive to kill the victim. But yeah you see these stories of convicted child molesters in their 30's and 40's that are free and you wonder how the hell they're out.

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Hidden in this long article in the Chronicle of Higher Education is this:


"Neither Mr. Spanier nor Mr. Paterno had been charged with breaking any laws in connection with the sex-abuse allegations, but the egregious nature of the charges brought against a former Nittany Lions' defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky, fueled public anger about the lack of action taken by university officials and led trustees to promise, and make, swift decisions.[B] Calls for Mr. Spanier's ouster, in particular, had begun to swell as the week wore on, with hundreds of students chanting for his removal outside the university's main administrative building on Tuesday night[/B]."

[url=http://chronicle.com/article/Penn-State-Trustees-Fire/129714/]Penn State Trustees Fire President and Legendary Coach - Leadership & Governance - The Chronicle of Higher Education[/url]

This is ridiculous, so these stupid PSU students turn the blind eye to Paterno b/c he's the football coach? I am glad both got fired as I've stated earlier, and as Kirk Herbstreet said on ESPN, this is bigger than football and people at PSU need to realize that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;857826]Could the university actually fall apart though? I mean even before all this the state government was considering cutting subsidies to PSU, for economic reasons. If they cut subsidies, if the DOE gets involved and levies fines or whatever, if there are millions of dollars in civil suits, if the application rate drops significantly...could that effectively destroy the university. Not just the football team, but the whole university

I can tell you there are already advertisers who are demanding to have their ads pulled from any game involving Penn State.[/quote]

Man, that would really be sad. Certainly the best case scenario right now seems to be that the football team is a bottom feeder in the Big 10 for years to come, other athletic programs fall victim to budget cuts, and maybe certain schools/departments within the university are contracted. Once all the lawsuits get rolling, it's going to be devastating.

I heard they have a $2B endowment. They better get ready to open that wallet big time.

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Great post djnemo65!


[quote=SmootSmack;857826]Could the university actually fall apart though? I mean even before all this the state government was considering cutting subsidies to PSU, for economic reasons. If they cut subsidies, if the DOE gets involved and levies fines or whatever, if there are millions of dollars in civil suits, if the application rate drops significantly...could that effectively destroy the university. Not just the football team, but the whole university

I can tell you there are already advertisers who are demanding to have their ads pulled from any game involving Penn State.[/quote]


I'm not surprised by any of this. Look at most of the scandals and you notice a mass exodus of advertisers when the shit hits the fan. (Tiger, Kobe) Not to mention something as horrific as child molestation and on a large scale. They very well may never recover from this. I find it ironic that these guys sold their soul and kept quiet to protect the school may very well have sealed its fate.


Also, I doubt the Penn State board of trustees is finished with the firings.

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57322137/firings-not-over-at-penn-state-sports-expert/]Firings not over at Penn State: Sports expert - CBS News[/url]