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As of right now...

[url=http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html]Great Blue North Draft Report[/url]

As I suspected... #7.

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[quote=SmootSmack;863736]I'm just going to put this out there. Browns apparently really want Barkley. Like they realllly want him.

Could be that they'd be willing to trade their 2 1st round picks to move up to get him.

So...say we have a shot to get Barkley...or we have a shot to trade down and get say a Landry Jones and a nother first round pick. Or maybe we get two 1st round non QBs and someone like a Nick Foles (as an example) at the top of the 2nd.

What do you do?[/quote]

No deal. No more games...no more settling...I want the highest rated QB we can get our hands on and that's going to mean trading up not down.

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[quote=Mattyk;863854]We were 5th before the win on Sunday. Did we really lose that many spots?[/quote]

I'm not 100% convinced the Skins are going to draft a QB.

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[quote=celts32;863904]No deal. No more games...no more settling...I want the highest rated QB we can get our hands on and that's going to mean trading up not down.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree.. This first round should be about doing what needs to be done to solve the QB position. Whether it's Barkley or RGIII (my preference) we need to be aggressive to make sure we get our man. I think we're going to end up in the pick 7-11 range so we may have to give up a #2 in 2013 and maybe a #3 in 2012 to get into the top 4-6 to get one of them. So what, make the move. We MUST solve this position next spring.

That being said, I'm SO GLAD we passed on Gabbert last draft. He looks skittish in the pocket and appears as if he's destined to be an average to below average QB. Bullet dodged.

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[quote=irish;863908]I'm not 100% convinced the Skins are going to draft a QB.[/quote]
What else would they do with their first round pick? Can you make a legitimate case for another position?

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[quote=celts32;863904]No deal. No more games...no more settling...I want the highest rated QB we can get our hands on and that's going to mean trading up not down.[/quote]

But... if the Colts won't give up their slot at #1 and they take Luck, and the Rams are not happy with Bradford or feel they could take another QB cause of the Rookie CAP they wouldn't be blowing a ton of money on a 2nd stringer and they take say RGIII, then Miami takes Barkley.... your saying you'd settle for Landry Jones or Tannehill? or one of the others

Foles
Weeden
Keenum
Lindley

thats SmootSmacks point. If the QB's we all really want are not available when we go to pick because other teams didn't want to trade out with us then would you just take one of the others or would you trade back for more picks, take something else or would you take whatever QB was available?

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[quote=Paintrain;863910]Yeah, I agree.. This first round should be about doing what needs to be done to solve the QB position. Whether it's Barkley or RGIII (my preference) we need to be aggressive to make sure we get our man. I think we're going to end up in the pick 7-11 range so we may have to give up a #2 in 2013 and maybe a #3 in 2012 to get into the top 4-6 to get one of them. So what, make the move. We MUST solve this position next spring.

That being said, I'm SO GLAD we passed on Gabbert last draft. He looks skittish in the pocket and appears as if he's destined to be an average to below average QB. Bullet dodged.[/quote]

I'm all about being aggressive, but I don't want the team to throw away the farm. I'd be willing to go with trading this yrs 1st and next yrs 1st round picks. I'd be willing to go with trading this yrs 1st and 3rd. but "IF" the Browns are interested in someone and they are willing to throw their 2 first rounders out there to move up to get them we don't stand a chance. Maybe if we dropped like this yrs 1st and 2nd and next yrs 1st which I'm not willing to do. The team has too many holes to only think QB. We need

QB
WR
OL
FS

and back ups. and not everyone can be a 1st round pick. Some here want WR in the 1st round cause you can't find a true #1 in the later rounds. Some want a QB no matter who he is and no matter where he technically should be drafted because we need a QB.

What I think is funny is the fans who seem to think the Skins will automatically have a chance at picking Luck, RGIII, or Barkley sitting at #7 or later. and then there are the fans who simply say "well, we'll just have to trade up" like all the teams ahead of us won't want any of those QB's and it will be easy to give whatever we want to move up in the draft to get whoever we want with out competition.

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[quote=Paintrain;863911]What else would they do with their first round pick? Can you make a legitimate case for another position?[/quote]

We have not true #1 WR. Hankerson is promising but .... I'm hedging my bet and saying a viable #2/#1. As others have pointed out he does not get YAC. He likes to jump for the ball and fall to the ground. He's a nice possesson WR. We need a #1 who will catch the ball and get down field.

You could make a case for a RT. Brown is old and could be replaced.

We have no decent FS. someone who will strike fear in opponants and can run sideline to sideline.

Some here think it's not the FS position but rather a shut down CB.

In any event here's our standing right now...

[url=http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html]Great Blue North Draft Report[/url]

Indy, Miami, are definitly taking a QB. then there is the question of the other teams and are they satisfied with their starter now? Panthers should be satisfied, but what about the Vikes, and Jaguars, and Rams?

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[quote=SBXVII;863919]We have not true #1 WR. Hankerson is promising but .... I'm hedging my bet and saying a viable #2/#1. As others have pointed out he does not get YAC. He likes to jump for the ball and fall to the ground. He's a nice possesson WR. We need a #1 who will catch the ball and get down field.

You could make a case for a RT. Brown is old and could be replaced.

We have no decent FS. someone who will strike fear in opponants and can run sideline to sideline.

Some here think it's not the FS position but rather a shut down CB.

In any event here's our standing right now...

[url=http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html]Great Blue North Draft Report[/url]

Indy, Miami, are definitly taking a QB. then there is the question of the other teams and are they satisfied with their starter now? Panthers should be satisfied, but what about the Vikes, and Jaguars, and Rams?[/quote]

I think YACs has been an issue with our entire team, but I wonder if a better QB and more experience would fix that with Hank.

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[quote=SBXVII;863919]We have not true #1 WR. Hankerson is promising but .... I'm hedging my bet and saying a viable #2/#1. As others have pointed out he does not get YAC. He likes to jump for the ball and fall to the ground. He's a nice possesson WR. We need a #1 who will catch the ball and get down field.

You could make a case for a RT. Brown is old and could be replaced.

We have no decent FS. someone who will strike fear in opponants and can run sideline to sideline.

Some here think it's not the FS position but rather a shut down CB.

In any event here's our standing right now...

[url=http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html]Great Blue North Draft Report[/url]

Indy, Miami, are definitly taking a QB. then there is the question of the other teams and are they satisfied with their starter now? Panthers should be satisfied, but what about the Vikes, and Jaguars, and Rams?[/quote] The only other position that a case could be made for is WR. A top 15 pick is far too high for RT, MLB, FS or even CB unless it is a sure fire can't miss player. The Vikes, Rams and Jags all drafted first round QB in the past 2 years so no way they pick a QB that early. Our 'competiton' for the top QB will be Cleveland, Seattle and Miami. Everyone else is set, meaning lots of money/time or a young early pick at the position.

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I don't care for a number 1 receiver not named Johnson or Fitzgerald. Packers have a bunch of number 2 receivers and have flourished due to their QB play.

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[quote=SBXVII;863912]But... if the Colts won't give up their slot at #1 and they take Luck, and the Rams are not happy with Bradford or feel they could take another QB cause of the Rookie CAP they wouldn't be blowing a ton of money on a 2nd stringer and they take say RGIII, then Miami takes Barkley.... your saying you'd settle for Landry Jones or Tannehill? or one of the others

Foles
Weeden
Keenum
Lindley

thats SmootSmacks point. If the QB's we all really want are not available when we go to pick because other teams didn't want to trade out with us then would you just take one of the others or would you trade back for more picks, take something else or would you take whatever QB was available?[/quote]

Well it would depend on my (Shannys) grade on Jones or Tannehill. But I will tell you what i would do if your scenario plays out...my move would be to trade with the Rams for Bradford. He's only been in the league 2 years and we already know that Shanny had a very high grade on him. His first year in the league was promising and i blame this year on the Rams for changing offenses in a year with no offseason. He went #1 overall for a reason...he has franchise QB potential. I prefer Bradford over everyone but Luck & RG3...

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[quote=SBXVII;863912]But... if the Colts won't give up their slot at #1 and they take Luck, [B]and the Rams are not happy with Bradford[/B] or feel they could take another QB cause of the Rookie CAP they wouldn't be blowing a ton of money on a 2nd stringer and they take say RGIII, then Miami takes Barkley.... your saying you'd settle for Landry Jones or Tannehill? or one of the others

Foles
Weeden
Keenum
Lindley

thats SmootSmacks point. If the QB's we all really want are not available when we go to pick because other teams didn't want to trade out with us then would you just take one of the others or would you trade back for more picks, take something else or would you take whatever QB was available?[/quote]



IDK where u heard that but that is 100% Wrong

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[quote=skinsfaninok;863975]IDK where u heard that but that is 100% Wrong[/quote]

The [I]only[/I] way the Rams take a QB is if a whole new regime comes in and then they milk the market for Bradford. Right now, however, everything I have read indicates that the Rams FO loves Bradford (Couldn't find the link but saw it from the ESPN NFC West beat writer and on SI).

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[quote=JoeRedskin;863976]The [I]only[/I] way the Rams take a QB is if a whole new regime comes in and then they milk the market for Bradford. Right now, however, everything I have read indicates that the Rams FO loves Bradford (Couldn't find the link but saw it from the ESPN NFC West beat writer and on SI).[/quote]


That question came up around this area and almost everyone with knowledge close to Sam has said NO WAY he leaves STL they love him and think he's the next big time QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;863975]IDK where u heard that but that is 100% Wrong[/quote]

I think the Rams would be stupid to get rid of Bradford. Although they have been very dissappointing this season, the Rams FO needs to give some weapons.

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[quote=SBXVII;863900]As of right now...

[url=http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html]Great Blue North Draft Report[/url]

As I suspected... #7.[/quote]

GO Miami GO!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;863975]IDK where u heard that but that is 100% Wrong[/quote]

He didn't say they were. He was throwing out hypotheticals that would paint a picture where the top QB's were not available to the skins when their #1 pick came up.

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[quote=celts32;863904]No deal. No more games...no more settling...I want the highest rated QB we can get our hands on and that's going to mean trading up not down.[/quote]

I'm with you, Celts. Maybe we can't get Bradford, as others have indicated. In that case we should do whatever it takes to engineer a draft trade to move up above someone like Miami. It likely will be impossible to move to #1 no matter what we offer, but we could move from #7 to #3 or so and take our guy. I think this is what we should do. Anything to end our hunger for a real QB.

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[quote=Paintrain;863911]What else would they do with their first round pick? Can you make a legitimate case for another position?[/quote]

I guess I could see them drafting an O lineman since the O line is terrible.

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[quote=irish;863993]I guess I could see them drafting an O lineman since the O line is terrible.[/quote]

Hate to break it to you but the O line probably is intact for 2012. Williams is locked in, Shanny loves Liechtenstieger, Montgomery has played well enough to return as a starter, Chester and Brown got long term deals this past offseason. O-line starters won't be a priority. Depth will be a focus though.

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skins will finish 6-10 IMO and have the 9th pick

Beat NYJ and MIN

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[quote=skinsfaninok;863975]IDK where u heard that but that is 100% Wrong[/quote]

I'm not meaning "not happy" as in they will cut him bad not happy. I'm talking he's good but not awsome and recently injured. I could see them taking a QB. Doubtful but with the Rookie CAP they would have 2 really good QB's to choose from and play the best of the two.

My scenerio is just as crazy as the people who think if the QB's we want are not available then we should just trade with the Rams for Bradford. What makes people think the Rams will trade him? Same with Rivers? I keep hearing how, again, if the QB we want are not available the Skins should make a play for Rivers.

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I gotcha SB, and I'd give SD our 2nd rounder for Rivers

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[quote=Paintrain;864008]Hate to break it to you but the O line probably is intact for 2012. Williams is locked in, Shanny loves Liechtenstieger, Montgomery has played well enough to return as a starter, [B]Chester and Brown got long term deals this past offseason. O-line starters won't be a priority. Depth will be a focus though.[/B][/quote]

Allen's contracts so far all have given flexibility to the team to cut players w/out much accelerated cap $. I agree, depth will be a focus, but I wouldn't be surprised to see any O line position taken as early as the 2nd. At some point depth is competition for starting jobs.

I think C would be the first spot to upgrade, but it will come down to who's available. Other than Williams I don't see anyone's job there being established by any means. I hope Hurt can improve a lot, I don't see Cook here next year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;862901]There's a good chance that we'll be picking fifth at 5-11 with just Indianapolis, Carolina, St. Louis, and Minnesota picking ahead of us. After Luck goes first, two of those teams won't even entertain the thought of picking a QB, and the other, St. Louis, is still very tied to Bradford no matter what they decide to do. The Redskins are well positioned to be able to draft the best of the rest.[/quote]

I see the logic to this however it's (always) difficult to determine if/when another team will trade up. I could easily see Carolina, St. Louis and/or Minn looking for a trade down scenario...

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The only way the Redskins get Barkley in this senario is to trade up and it will cost next years number one at the minimum. The Browns have the advantage of having two number one's, in this upcoming draft.

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A good (stats heavy) one from FO's Vince Verhei. ESPN Insider required:

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7293860/with-makings-solid-d-washington-needs-find-playmakers-offense-nfl?addata=2009_insdr_mod_nfl_xxx_xxx]With the makings of a solid D, Washington needs to find playmakers on offense - NFL - ESPN[/url]

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Remember last year when we thought Newton would definitely fall to 10? Yeah I'm starting to get skeptical of these guys that say Barkley will be around at 8. Lets just assume he's going around 2 or 3 via trade.

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I think it's pretty critical to get a pass catcher and a passer with the first two picks. That pass catcher can play any position. Yes, even tight end. Just the best available guy who can help the offense.

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[quote=Paintrain;864008]Hate to break it to you but the O line probably is intact for 2012. Williams is locked in, Shanny loves Liechtenstieger, Montgomery has played well enough to return as a starter, Chester and Brown got long term deals this past offseason. O-line starters won't be a priority. Depth will be a focus though.[/quote]

I would like to see us target one or 2 upgrades to the starters and make the current starters the depth that you are talking about.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;864046]Remember last year when we thought Newton would definitely fall to 10? Yeah I'm starting to get skeptical of these guys that say Barkley will be around at 8. Lets just assume he's going around 2 or 3 via trade.[/quote]Right.

I think Barkley, Griffin, and Luck will all be gone by the sixth pick even if they call come out. It's very much worth looking at other names if we pick outside of the top six or seven.

If you want to make a youtube cut-up of Nick Foles someday, I think people would be shocked at how good of a player he is compared to other guys like Tannehill, Cousins, Lindley, Jones etc. The way people talk about him as a late round pick, you wouldn't think he could make any throw with any amount of pressure on him. Except that he can.

The other thing I like about Foles is how he uses his feet effectively. He's got Tom Brady's athleticism (or lack of), but still moves effectively. And while this may be an effect of his offense, he managed to be one of the toughest players to sack in college football (and one of the ten best passers) despite crappy receivers and two freshman tackles who couldn't block anything.

Assuming the top guys are gone, I would just sit tight and take Foles with the first round pick, wherever that may be in the round.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;864046]Remember last year when we thought Newton would definitely fall to 10? Yeah I'm starting to get skeptical of these guys that say Barkley will be around at 8. [B]Lets just assume he's going around 2 or 3 via trade[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

I think that would be a wise assumption. If Barkley comes out and either St. Louis or Minnesota are drafting second, then I think we'll have a shot at him via a trade up. It will cost a lot, so let's hope he's worth it if it happens.

Of course, we also need to be prepared for Shanny and Kyle to fall in love with a 32 year-old backup QB who has bounced around the the CFL for the last ten years. The thought of those two picking our next QB scares me as much as anything else related to our QB situation.

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Assuming he comes out i think RG3 ends up going higher then Barkley. And RG3 is the guy I would target...

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If everyone comes out, I think there will be six first round picks at the QB position. I am against trading up because I think the Redskins will have their pick of two or three first round QBs wherever they select. I think the probability says that there will certainly be a great quarterback when we pick, we just need to get a staff in place that can identify him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;864060]If everyone comes out, I think there will be six first round picks at the QB position. I am against trading up because I think the Redskins will have their pick of two or three first round QBs wherever they select. I think the probability says that there will certainly be a great quarterback when we pick, we just need to get a staff in place that can identify him.[/quote]
I am telling you that Barkley and Luck are miles ahead of the pack. Infact, if you watch these guys they look like the best prospects in ten years.

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[quote=celts32;864057]Assuming he comes out [B]i think RG3 ends up going higher then Barkley[/B]. And RG3 is the guy I would target...[/quote]

Not gonna happen! Barkley is NFL ready. RGIII will need more time to develop.

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[quote=GTripp0012;864050]Right.

I think Barkley, Griffin, and Luck will all be gone by the sixth pick even if they call come out. It's very much worth looking at other names if we pick outside of the top six or seven.

If you want to make a youtube cut-up of Nick Foles someday, I think people would be shocked at how good of a player he is compared to other guys like Tannehill, Cousins, Lindley, Jones etc. The way people talk about him as a late round pick, you wouldn't think he could make any throw with any amount of pressure on him. Except that he can.

The other thing I like about Foles is how he uses his feet effectively. He's got Tom Brady's athleticism (or lack of), but still moves effectively. And while this may be an effect of his offense, he managed to be one of the toughest players to sack in college football (and one of the ten best passers) despite crappy receivers and two freshman tackles who couldn't block anything.

Assuming the top guys are gone, I would just sit tight and take Foles with the first round pick, wherever that may be in the round.[/quote]

If the skins are unable to grab any of the top tier QB's then Foles would be my next pick. He's under rated.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;864063]I am telling you that Barkley and Luck are miles ahead of the pack. Infact, if you watch these guys they look like the best prospects in ten years.[/quote]Since 2004, at least.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;864065]If the skins are unable to grab any of the top tier QB's then Foles would be my next pick. He's under rated.[/quote]I'd put him with the top tier guys. I'd probably go with Luck, then Griffin, then Barkley, then Foles, all top ten picks.