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Isn't Fred Davis a free agent this year?

Imagine how hard his agent is going to have to work to get him a big time deal with a lot of guaranteed money given that he will now be "on the list" for enhanced testing from the league and given that from here on out the penalties for getting caught escalate from the 4-game suspension level.

Granted, he is not the only dope-smoker in the NFL but he is now one of the guys under the microscope and he finds himself there just as it is time to try to get some guaranteed scratch from some NFL GM. Let's just say that kind of behavior is not likely to get him an invitation to join MENSA.

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[quote=Mattyk;865952]His point was the Skins aren't the only team dealing with these sort of things.[/quote]

Oh for sure. It's just that everything else is going so poorly, this just feels like piling on.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;865971]Isn't Fred Davis a free agent this year?

Imagine how hard his agent is going to have to work to get him a big time deal with a lot of guaranteed money given that he will now be "on the list" for enhanced testing from the league and given that from here on out the penalties for getting caught escalate from the 4-game suspension level.

[B]Granted, he is not the only dope-smoker in the NFL but he is now one of the guys under the microscope and he finds himself there just as it is time to try to get some guaranteed scratch from some NFL GM. Let's just say that kind of behavior is not likely to get him an invitation to join MENSA[/B].[/quote]

He was under the microscope after the first failed test. Three fails just puts you at the dumbass level. One more strike they both sit for an entire season.

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PD weighs in:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/06/former-redskin-if-you-get-caught-three-times-you-have-a-problem/]Former Redskin: “If you get caught three times, you have a problem” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;865971]Isn't Fred Davis a free agent this year?

Imagine how hard his agent is going to have to work to get him a big time deal with a lot of guaranteed money given that he will now be "on the list" for enhanced testing from the league and given that from here on out the penalties for getting caught escalate from the 4-game suspension level.

Granted, he is not the only dope-smoker in the NFL but he is now one of the guys under the microscope and he finds himself there just as it is time to try to get some guaranteed scratch from some NFL GM. Let's just say that kind of behavior is not likely to get him an invitation to join MENSA.[/quote]

I smell a serious hometown discount coming his way

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Is this a serious roadblock in re signing FD? I believe it maybe...but damn he has been featured so much

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Wasn't Braylon Edwards on a similar situation last offseason? He either was facing suspension or was one more infraction away from being suspended for a long time, and there wasn't much interest in him by teams. I'm sure being in this situation has got to affect a player's bargaining power when it comes to negotiating a contract.

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Sux to see Trent taking away for weed because he's becoming a PB LT but gotta stay smart about things.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865939]Rob Gronkowski is a more athletic Witten[/quote]That's exactly the comparison that I would have made.

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[quote=Ruhskins;865993]Wasn't Braylon Edwards on a similar situation last offseason? He either was facing suspension or was one more infraction away from being suspended for a long time, and there wasn't much interest in him by teams. I'm sure being in this situation has got to affect a player's bargaining power when it comes to negotiating a contract.[/quote]

I think it's safe to say the Skins will have some serious leverage in negotiating a new deal with FD, and interest on the free agent market may be lukewarm at best for him.

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[quote=Mattyk;866009]I think it's safe to say the Skins will have some serious leverage in negotiating a new deal with FD, and interest on the free agent market may be lukewarm at best for him.[/quote]I don't know. Santonio Holmes is a strike away from a year suspension and the Jets gave him $50 million.

There's two elite receiving TEs on the market this year, and Davis is one of them.

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[quote=GTripp0012;866011]I don't know. Santonio Holmes is a strike away from a year suspension and the Jets gave him $50 million.

There's two elite receiving TEs on the market this year, and Davis is one of them.[/quote]

I guess Holmes was a proven commodity and a SB winning WR. But I guess you are right on that one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;866011]I don't know. Santonio Holmes is a strike away from a year suspension and the Jets gave him $50 million.

There's two elite receiving TEs on the market this year, and Davis is one of them.[/quote]

TEs are a dime a dozen and a big reason for FDs production is because the Skins WRs are so bad. I dont see the need to invest big $ in him.

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[quote=irish;866019]TEs are a dime a dozen and a big reason for FDs production is because the Skins WRs are so bad. I dont see the need to invest big $ in him.[/quote]Well, bad TEs are quite cheap.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/news/Davis-and-T-Williams-officially-suspende?blockID=606950&feedID=6458&awid=8109348058351652207-835]Davis, Williams officially suspended[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;865988]I smell a serious hometown discount coming his way[/quote]

Yep. He'll end up on the west coast. Probably with Carroll's Seahawks.

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[quote=irish;866019]TEs are a dime a dozen and a big reason for FDs production is because the Skins WRs are so bad. I dont see the need to invest big $ in him.[/quote]

I partially agree, but if you can pair Fred Davis up with a young solid wide receiver and a capable young QB, this could become a pretty prolific offense in a rather short amount of time.

But I will say, he probably just sliced the salary he was going to make this offseason by at least 30%. Real boneheaded move. He is going to have the world record for most expensive joint ever......idiot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;865953]When he was arrested in the summer of 2008 he was a pretty key figure in their defense.

But my point was more so that even the "best" organizations have players with issues much more major than getting caught smoking weed[/quote]

I understand the similarity of two NFL organizations dealing with drug related suspensions to key players, but at the same time...

Meh, I'll be honest, I'm just tired right now and I don't feel like arguing semantics with you, because the whole "we're the only team that deals with shit like this" argument is weak shit anyways. W/e. I guess my only question at this point is how the f did Trent Williams earn a Captains patch? I don't even know how you can have the nerve to call yourself a leader of men when you do dumb shit like get caught doing drugs 3 f'n times in two seasons.

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[quote=diehard;866046]Yep. He'll end up on the west coast. Probably with Carroll's Seahawks.[/quote]

If you want to go that route he's from Ohio so...

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/33595/what-do-skins-do-with-these-two-dummies]What do Skins do with these two dummies? - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Good article and good points.

No way we can rely on these guys in the near future. Trent is going to have to go about 10+ years without ever failing another drug test and quite honestly I don't believe he can. Davis won't last as long, but it's hard to imagine him not failing another one either. Can it be done? Sure. Chances are high they'll get caught again after already blowing 3 chances, and next time, it's going to be for a year. (even though it should be a year now)

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[quote=diehard;866046]Yep. He'll end up on the west coast. Probably with Carroll's Seahawks.[/quote]

Why would they when they already signed a TE (Zach Miller) to a big contract?

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It's a wake up call for both these guys. If losing 4 game checks and the threat of facing a year off doesn't do it for them, nothing will.

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[quote=Mattyk;866074]It's a wake up call for both these guys. If losing 4 game checks and the threat of facing a year off doesn't do it for them, nothing will.[/quote]

Well after the second failed test, it should have been the 4 game suspension and they still didn't learn. They are incredibly lucky they got a 4 game suspension this time instead of the mandatory year. I hope, for our sakes, that you are right.


Like somebody said prior. This had better been the best weed on the planet, because it's cost those guys millions of dollars.

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[quote=NC_Skins;866072][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/33595/what-do-skins-do-with-these-two-dummies]What do Skins do with these two dummies? - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Good article and good points.

No way we can rely on these guys in the near future. Trent is going to have to go about 10+ years without ever failing another drug test and quite honestly I don't believe he can. Davis won't last as long, but it's hard to imagine him not failing another one either. Can it be done? Sure. [B]Chances are high they'll get caught again after already blowing 3 chances, and next time, it's going to be for a year.[/B] (even though it should be a year now)[/quote]

It is truly risky to believe that they have learned their lessons after 3 positive tests and that they won't be tested positive again and suspended for a year. Albert Einstein famously said: "The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."

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[quote=NC_Skins;866077]Well after the second failed test, it should have been the 4 game suspension and they still didn't learn. They are incredibly lucky they got a 4 game suspension this time instead of the mandatory year. I hope, for our sakes, that you are right.


Like somebody said prior. This had better been the best weed on the planet, because it's cost those guys millions of dollars.[/quote]

Some never truly learn until they have to face the music.

This is the first time they've had to suffer the consequences of their actions. Hopefully it's a valuable learning experience.

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[quote=GMScud;865894]I heard on the radio this morning that only 11 guys in the entire league tested positive this season (not sure if they were referring to recreational drugs only, but I think so), and the only two players league-wide that will be suspended are on our team. Awesome.

Fred and Trent are freaking Harold & Kumar. You know you tested positive once. You continue to get high. You know you then failed a second test. And still you smoke weed.

Let's call it what it is. They're a couple of pathetic stoners. The more I've thought about this, the more annoyed I've gotten.[/quote]

Me too man, I am more pissed off now than I was when I first found out. My official position now is that I don't want them to be part of the team. They are undependable, I don't care how talented they are. See ya. Get caught 3 damn times, and you KNOW the suspension is a year and say eff it I'm doing it anyways. Move Jamaal Brown back to left tackle and draft a right tackle in the 2nd round. Get Cooley back healthy and roll with him and Paulsen. I trust those guys as men and that is way more important than trusting an immature boy's talent.

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This thing with Fred Davis and Trent Williams almost feels like Len Bias shocking overdose and death back in 1986. Okay, it's exactly not on that level, but Davis and Williams both let their teammates down, their coaches down, and they let the fans of the Redskins down. Hopefully, this teaches them a valuable lesson and hopefully they both can mature from it and make better and wiser decisions in the future.

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fred isn't leaving

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Right now Davis is the most valuable potential free agent on the team. The Redskins will either offer him a decent paying contract, or place the franchise tag on him. They are not going to let him get away, especially after the spectacular season that he had.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/trent-williams-fred-davis-apologize-to-team/2011/12/07/gIQA2JXZcO_blog.html]Trent Williams, Fred Davis apologize to team - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;866287][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/trent-williams-fred-davis-apologize-to-team/2011/12/07/gIQA2JXZcO_blog.html]Trent Williams, Fred Davis apologize to team - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

sounds like a step in the right direction... we shall see

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[quote=Mattyk;866288]sounds like a step in the right direction... we shall see[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking

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Trent is a good dude I don't think you'll ever see him in trouble with the law..Like serious trouble

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Id like an apology from the whole team and organization for allowing me to watch the least amount of Redskin football that i have ever watched in my life. I've missed more games this year than i ever have. Thanks guys, please make me eat crow next year.

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Well, I hope that they learn their lesson. Being a NFL player, a top 5 first round draft choice, and a TE that was/is on his way to the pro bowl, you have to set the standards. Davis and Williams knew that they are All pro caliber football players. They are also both fine young men.

But the question that Bruce Allen has to consider is, what if one of them, or both of them repeat the same offense? That's a very basic and wise question to ask yourself if you're the general manager.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;866292]Trent is a good dude I don't think you'll ever see him in trouble with the law..Like serious trouble[/quote]

it's not going to take serious trouble, if he fails another test he is done for a year. i really hope these two idiots learn from this, especially trent. if we lose davis it would suck but no where near the extent of losing our #4 overall draft pick from 2 years ago.

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I heard Trent Williams suspension is going to cost him 1.7 Million buckaroos!!!! What a fn tool!! Hey dumbass i can give you 1.7 million reasons why i would have stayed off the doobage!!! And we put our heart and soul into rooting for this trash, after 37 years im starting to crack, NCAA football your looking better every day!!

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;866348]I heard Trent Williams suspension is going to cost him 1.7 Million buckaroos!!!! What a fn tool!! Hey dumbass i can give you 1.7 million reasons why i would have stayed off the doobage!!! And we put our heart and soul into rooting for this trash, after 37 years im starting to crack, NCAA football your looking better every day!![/QUOTE]

Seeya!

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I had been thinking TW was a complete lost cause. Yesterday I would have said if we can get a third round pick for him then it’s a no brainer, and that a fourth round pick should be something we should consider for him. But ive changed my tune a little and think there is hope. Jared Allen and Ricky Williams both made major lifestyle changes after alcohol and weed threatened their careers.

Coming out of college Jared Allen had been arrested for DUI. Then during a contract year with the Chiefs in 2006 he got 2 DUIs within 5 months, forcing him to sign a 1 year tender in 2007 before moving to the Vikings the following year.

Ricky failed 3 drug tests, retired to study holistic medicine, unretired to only fail again, went to Canada to play in the CFL and came back to the NFL only to possibly fail again for something besides weed, all within the first 5 years of his career.

Both of these stories are drastically different but Ricky no longer smokes weed and Jared Allen has sworn off alcohol. If Ricky was given more support early on perhaps his road back to becoming a productive NFL player would have been much shorter. Ricky Williams had major depression and other issues so maybe TW or Fred Davis do too. For TW to get busted 3 times all within a year and half of being drafted and for Davis to get busted a 3rd time during a contract year, to me suggest that maybe their bad decision making is because of bigger problems like depression or something else.

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meh, I think they're just young and dumb.

The worst thing is they didn't even have to stop smoking completely, they just needed to be smarter about when to temporarily stop in order to pass a test.