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[quote=SkinzzFan;869899]Okay, it's tomorrow already. Let's hear it. LOL.[/quote]

tomorrow's post will be better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;869895]Agree with 30 Gut. Let's talk about the potential rookie QBs from RG3 all the way down to [B]Aaron Corp[/B].

I promise I'll tell you the QB rumor tomorrow[/quote]

Wow, now there's a name I didn't expect to see in this thread...

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[quote=30gut;869882]What happened to talking about the actual prospects and their skillsets?
I miss that.

These rumors are nothing more then plausibilities that anyone can speculate about.[/quote]

Ditto. The rumor fest gets annoying in a hurry.

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[quote=SmootSmack;869895]Agree with 30 Gut. Let's talk about the potential rookie QBs from RG3 all the way down to Aaron Corp.

I promise I'll tell you the QB rumor tomorrow[/quote]

Aaron Corp? Really Smooty?

Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;869900]tomorrow's post will be better.[/quote]

But what is today, except yesterday's tomorrow?

Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;869895]Agree with 30 Gut. Let's talk about the potential rookie QBs from RG3 all the way down to Aaron Corp.

I promise I'll tell you the QB rumor tomorrow[/quote]

Tebow

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Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;869904]Aaron Corp? Really Smooty?[/quote]

NO kidding... He plays in my back yard. Got a bum deal coming to University of Richmond with that POS Latrell Scott as head coach. 2 DUI arrests later, his resignation, and the whole team came apart. He was highly touted at USC.

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[quote=SkinzWin;870036]NO kidding... He plays in my back yard. Got a bum deal coming to University of Richmond with that POS Latrell Scott as head coach. 2 DUI arrests later, his resignation, and the whole team came apart. He was highly touted at USC.[/quote]

I remember who he is

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[quote=Lotus;869917]Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.[/quote] There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.

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I know its a highlight reel and not a game cut-up.
But here's a look at one of my favorite prospects this year:
[YT]xOWO5XETeeU&feature[/YT]BTW-If anyone knows where there is a link to a game cut-up of Mr.Wilson please post the link

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[quote=Landry44;870094]There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.[/quote]

What I haven't seen on him is a big arm - like I said, he throws rainbows when he should throw ropes. Also, the accuracy part seems overrated because of an abundance of short throws. I do appreciate the pocket presence part. Thanks for that.

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[quote=Landry44;870094]There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure one of his biggest knocks is a weak arm...

Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;869905]But what is today, except yesterday's tomorrow?[/quote]

Me no like big words.

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If we don't get RG3 then I want Kellan Moore. Despite his physical short commings the kid is a straight baller. There's no way a guy that determined and accurate will fail in the NFL. I mean he only has 3 career losses, with only one you could actually blame him for. That's phenomenal.

Yeah I see what your saying shadow and Moore played plenty of good teams like GA, VT etc other than his conf games. He's a winner

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[quote=Dirtbag59;870118]Me no like big words.[/quote]

Me like Madden.

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How much should we give up to get Luck?

If the Rams get the first pick they might be willing to move back a few spots for a high price since they have so many needs.

I'd give them 1st, 2nd, and 4th in 2012 and 1st and 3rd in 2013 and maybe swap our 1st for their 3rd in 2014.

It is a high price trade-wise but with the rookie wage cap we can have a starting qb for just alittle over 5 million a year for a few years. That is a bargin. We can then afford to put some talent around him in FA.

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[quote=SkinItup;870133]How much should we give up to get Luck?

If the Rams get the first pick they might be willing to move back a few spots for a high price since they have so many needs.

I'd give them 1st, 2nd, and 4th in 2012 and 1st and 3rd in 2013 and maybe swap our 1st for their 3rd in 2014.

It is a high price trade-wise but with the rookie wage cap we can have a starting qb for just alittle over 5 million a year for a few years. That is a bargin. We can then afford to put some talent around him in FA.[/quote]

Great Question, Glazer said the asking price is possibly 3 first rounders.

Thats the max I would do for this 'sure thing' of a prospect. I would swap first rounders this year with the rams, throw in DHall and Jamal Brown if they want him. Then I would trade them my first rounder in 2013 and 2015. I would also trade my 2nd rounder in 2012. I would consider trading Landry as well. The Rams need a CB and a OT so thats why I'd throw in those two. If its the Colts, well, it ain't happening.

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Swap 1sts in 2012, 1st in 2013, 1st in 2015, and swap 2nds in 2013. They don't get Hall or Landry. Maybe Brown but I like his depth.

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[quote=Lotus;869917]Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.[/quote]

He's like a Jay Cutler, great player on a bad team. His OL isn't nearly as good as Andrew Lucks or Matt Barkley's. His receivers aren't nearly as good as Barkleys. He has a rocket arm, NFL size. When you watch him play he looks like he has a few traits of a Brady/Rothlisberger/Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco/Jay Cutler. Some say that he stares down his receivers for a long time. That is some what true. Judge for yourself.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaehG4uWoY]Nick Foles 2010 Highlights - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=Lotus;870112]What I haven't seen on him is a big arm - like I said, he throws rainbows when he should throw ropes. Also, the accuracy part seems overrated because of an abundance of short throws. I do appreciate the pocket presence part. Thanks for that.[/quote]

He does have a big arm. He also puts the ball down field a lot. It's obvious that you haven't seen many of his games. The guy is a baller.

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I have watched Foles and I do not see anything like a "big arm." And I am not alone in this observation. In the absence of better arguments, I will continue to consider him overrated.

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[quote=Lotus;870177]I have watched Foles and I do not see anything like a "big arm." And I am not alone in this observation. In the absence of better arguments, I will continue to consider him overrated.[/quote]
What games have you watched?

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Alright new plans.

Plan A:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
2nd - BPA - Preferably an ILB, Safety, or an OL
Sign Matt Flynn to contract and try to shoot for RG3, Barkley, or Jones next year.

Plan B:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
Late 1st - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State
Trade 2nd and 3rd to move up into late first to take Foles.

Plan B-2:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
2nd - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State
Expect Foles to drop to our spot in the scond.

I've accepted that Kellen Moore will be a slightly rich mans Cult Brennan.

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Plan B. Idk i wanna a qb that can be with us for a while young.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;870203]Alright new plans.

Plan A:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
2nd - BPA - Preferably an ILB, Safety, or an OL
Sign Matt Flynn to contract and try to shoot for RG3, Barkley, or Jones next year.

Plan B:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
Late 1st - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State
Trade 2nd and 3rd to move up into late first to take Foles.

Plan B-2:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
2nd - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State
Expect Foles to drop to our spot in the scond.

I've accepted that Kellen Moore will be a slightly rich mans Cult Brennan.[/quote]

If we don't go QB in round 1 with RGIII or Luck then I want either:

1st rd: Justin Blackmon
2nd rd: Ryan Tannehill

or

1st rd: Morris Claiborne
2nd rd: Ryan Tannehill

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I still am going to say RGIII is a Redskin in April, along with Kellen Moore.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870231]If we don't go QB in round 1 with RGIII or Luck then I want either:

1st rd: Justin Blackmon
2nd rd: Ryan Tannehill

or

1st rd: Morris Claiborne
2nd rd: Ryan Tannehill[/quote]

I really like your scenarios but a lot of folks think that Tannehill will not make it past the mid-first round.

Perhaps we could trade back from 7 to 14, picking up an extra second, take Tannehill at 14, and then put a package together to move back into the first and grab a receiver late in the round.

Maybe. Just musing.

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[quote=Lotus;870236]I really like your scenarios but a lot of folks think that Tannehill will not make it past the mid-first round.

Perhaps we could trade back from 7 to 14, picking up an extra second, take Tannehill at 14, and then put a package together to move back into the first and grab a receiver late in the round.

Maybe. Just musing.[/quote]

True and it depends on if Jones and RGIII come out.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870241]True and it depends on if Jones and RGIII come out.[/quote]

You are on the right track. It would be nice to have a stud QB and a stud WR so that we can get a triplets thing going.

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Crazy Bold Pred: Andrew Luck

Probable: Sam Bradford

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[quote=Lotus;869917]Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.[/quote]Foles has a much better deep ball than someone like Ryan Tannehill. A much better sense of timing, and I think he has a good concept for calculated risk. He doesn't always elude the pressure well, but he has a good sense of when time is running out. Gets through progressions quickly (maybe too quickly). He'll throw it to his first read if he thinks he can get the ball in, whether or not it is his best throw. I like the way he throws the shorter passes with zip and authority (although Tannehill is also quite good at this).

There are things I don't like about Foles, but I don't know if I would agree on your criticisms. I think the padding the stats argument implies that he's trading in winning throws for easier ones, and I never got that sense that Foles is looking only for the easy completion. I think he's looking for the first completion, but he's not averse to extending the play to let someone get open. As for rainbows vs. ropes, I would just point at his completion percentage and [I]ascending[/I] YPA and suggest that it's probably not much of an issue.

I think he can both play within a scheme and create on his own, and that makes him a great fit for what we do. Some guys (Romo for example) struggle when you limit them to scheme throws and timing. Others (Grossman) really struggle to create outside the pocket. Foles can do both. And more importantly, he's accurate doing both.

Biggest knock on him: that he's not a good athlete at all. But he is a solid first round quarterback.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870258]Foles has a much better deep ball than someone like Ryan Tannehill. A much better sense of timing, and I think he has a good concept for calculated risk. He doesn't always elude the pressure well, but he has a good sense of when time is running out. Gets through progressions quickly (maybe too quickly). He'll throw it to his first read if he thinks he can get the ball in, whether or not it is his best throw. I like the way he throws the shorter passes with zip and authority (although Tannehill is also quite good at this).

There are things I don't like about Foles, but I don't know if I would agree on your criticisms. I think the padding the stats argument implies that he's trading in winning throws for easier ones, and I never got that sense that Foles is looking only for the easy completion. I think he's looking for the first completion, but he's not averse to extending the play to let someone get open. As for rainbows vs. ropes, I would just point at his completion percentage and [I]ascending[/I] YPA and suggest that it's probably not much of an issue.

I think he can both play within a scheme and create on his own, and that makes him a great fit for what we do. Some guys (Romo for example) struggle when you limit them to scheme throws and timing. Others (Grossman) really struggle to create outside the pocket. Foles can do both. And more importantly, he's accurate doing both.

Biggest knock on him: that he's not a good athlete at all. But he is a solid first round quarterback.[/quote]

Fair enough GTripp. Excellent review. Thanks for that.

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I'm trying to think of recent first round pick quarterbacks who weren't really great athletes. I guess there were a couple. Bradford isn't a great athlete. Leinart doesn't move that well. Rivers is well built, but doesn't get to display his athleticism much. Peyton is a bit underrated as an athlete, but he's still more statue than anything. And, well, then there was the 2003 draft which totally broke script (Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman).

By and large, the tendency for teams with first round quarterbacks is to lean towards passers who are also pretty good athletes. Luck, RG3, and Tannehill are fantastic athletes. Foles and Landry Jones are rather bow-legged. In recent history, those who lack athleticism have had a tough time getting picked high at the QB position. They are not the prototype anymore, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider them.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870260]I'm trying to think of recent first round pick quarterbacks who weren't really great athletes. I guess there were a couple. Bradford isn't a great athlete. Leinart doesn't move that well. Rivers is well built, but doesn't get to display his athleticism much. Peyton is a bit underrated as an athlete, but he's still more statue than anything. And, well, then there was the 2003 draft which totally broke script (Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman).

By and large, the tendency for teams with first round quarterbacks is to lean towards passers who are also pretty good athletes. Luck, RG3, and Tannehill are fantastic athletes. Foles and Landry Jones are rather bow-legged. In recent history, those who lack athleticism have had a tough time getting picked high at the QB position. They are not the prototype anymore, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider them.[/quote]

I don't recall Ponder being touted as athletic but, he sure as hell looked it.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8254ff24/article/with-barkley-now-out-of-picture-attention-turns-to-griffin?module=HP11_cp]NFL.com news: With Barkley now out of picture, attention turns to Griffin[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;870274][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8254ff24/article/with-barkley-now-out-of-picture-attention-turns-to-griffin?module=HP11_cp]NFL.com news: With Barkley now out of picture, attention turns to Griffin[/url][/quote]

Lots of information about Griffin there. Makes him sound much more like a project QB (at the pro level) than most comments would lead you to believe.

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Well, taking into consideration all of the info or speculation or rumors or all of it just rolled into one basket and jostled around and threw up in the air and then it all fell and rolled on the ground for a while, there are two names that I wouldnt be TOO shocked to see in the Burgandy and gold next year.

Those two are Philip Rivers and Matt Schaub...........and I guess I would throw in the Packers backup as well, Flynn, but, given everyones circumstances, possible scenarios point to those two "possibly" being available to us by trade, be it by players or picks or both.......to an extent.

fyi just throwing those two names out there........in hopes that in doing that, it distracts people from the new "Mark Sanchize thread started by someone here.......*(vomits in mouth)*, ok, im back, yeah, no chance of getting the above two guys, just please, oh please do not trade anything over a 3rd for sanchez.........god damn it......if shanny and company gave a 2nd and a 4th for mcflabb, what the hell are they gonna chuck on over to the meadowlands for their underacheiving prettyboy...........

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[quote=The Goat;870369]Lots of information about Griffin there. Makes him sound much more like a project QB (at the pro level) than most comments would lead you to believe.[/quote]

Very accurate report, that's why Luck and Barkley were consider 1 and 2, because of the pro style offenses they played on. Griffin is great just not as polished, however he has a great upside cause he's very smart and I'm sure could pick things up quickly.