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I'm with mlpertert on this one - who cares if DS wants to overpay. The only question that involves is "Will this signing inhibit or hurt our ability to be flexible under the cap?" If DS wants to pay big bucks but does so in a way that we can still sign guys to fill some other gaps - Yeah!! If signing Flynn means foregoing other signings, I am less enthused. If signing Flynn means giving up draft picks, I'm out.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;872671]Hadn't heard about the possibility of GB putting the franchise tag on Flynn. And wouldn't that be very expensive for a back-up QB?
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It's only $16 or $17 million.

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We should be signing the [I][B]next[/B][/I] Matt Flynn.
Correction.
We should have signed the next Matt Flynn [I][B]last year[/B][/I].

But, who is the next Matt Flynn?

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[quote=30gut;872742]We should be signing the [I][B]next[/B][/I] Matt Flynn.
Correction.
We should have signed the next Matt Flynn [I][B]last year[/B][/I].

But, who is the next Matt Flynn?[/quote]

Chase Daniel **runs and hides**

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[quote=SmootSmack;872744]Chase Daniel **runs and hides**[/quote]

I hear he has a SB ring. LOL.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;872699]It's only $16 or $17 million.[/quote]

For a QB that had one great game...lol


This isn't like Cassell's situation where he played good the whole year and got the team to 11 wins. They aren't going to franchise this guy, and nobody would pay him that type of money even if he were franchised.

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[quote=NC_Skins;872751]For a QB that had one great game...lol


This isn't like Cassell's situation where he played good the whole year and got the team to 11 wins. They aren't going to franchise this guy, and nobody would pay him that type of money even if he were franchised.[/quote]

They will prob franchise Finley (if there is no deal) instead of Flynn.

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Flynn is more likely to be Kolb, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, etc. than Schaub or Brees.. He's got a great team he's on and 4 years studying the system. I'm not sure he's got anything elite that he does that would be worthy of spending any real $ or picks on.

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Agreed and by the time Kyle is through with him, he would be Ryan Leaf.

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Reposted from the other thread because it fits better here:

I'll probably say this a lot between now and mid-March, but Chad Henne is younger, more proven and has better tools than Matt Flynn. See for yourself:

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HennCh01.htm]Chad Henne NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlynMa00.htm]Matt Flynn NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I'm not even sure I understand the argument for Flynn over Henne. We don't know how good Flynn is? The Packers are better at developing QBs than the Dolphins? A mixture of weak reasoning?

Henne should get at least one and a half times what Flynn gets in guaranteed money.

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it would be interesting to see how many people around here even knew who the hell Flynn was before the packs last game? i say no way. lets put our eggs in one basket and draft RG3

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My concern with Matt Flynn is that he's played himself into beach front property value, while there's a lot of "under construction" and "foreclosures" on the market. Moreover, the market will irresponsibly set his current value based on one internet photo without performing proper inspections and/or due diligence. It's absurd. Doesn't make common sense and it doesn't football sense.

For that simple reason, I say pass on this dude. Too much risk incurred overnight, too many unknowns.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872772]Reposted from the other thread because it fits better here:

I'll probably say this a lot between now and mid-March, but Chad Henne is younger, more proven and has better tools than Matt Flynn. See for yourself:

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HennCh01.htm]Chad Henne NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlynMa00.htm]Matt Flynn NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I'm not even sure I understand the argument for Flynn over Henne. We don't know how good Flynn is? The Packers are better at developing QBs than the Dolphins? A mixture of weak reasoning?

Henne should get at least one and a half times what Flynn gets in guaranteed money.[/quote] I'd be in favor of bringing in Henne to compete for a backup job and/or as a bridge starter. He hasn't been all that bad in Miami, just hasn't really developed into a frontline starter.

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[quote=Paintrain;872786]I'd be in favor of bringing in Henne to compete for a backup job and/or as a bridge starter. He hasn't been all that bad in Miami, just hasn't really developed into a frontline starter.[/quote]Right.

I wouldn't go out and put all my eggs in the Henne basket, but the Chargers didn't exactly put all their eggs in Brees' basket when they drafted Rivers high in the draft in 2004.

Chad Henne is not the best quarterback in free agency, but he's better than Flynn and he's the best "rest of career" bet in free agency. If you're going to give a deal longer than three years to any QB in this free agent class, he's the one you should give it to.

He's also a really good fit for our offense, but that doesn't even seem to matter to people anymore.

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I wouldn't be against looking at Henne. He could benefit from a change of scenery.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872787]Right.

I wouldn't go out and put all my eggs in the Henne basket, but the Chargers didn't exactly put all their eggs in Brees' basket when they drafted Rivers high in the draft in 2004.

Chad Henne is not the best quarterback in free agency, but he's better than Flynn and he's the best "rest of career" bet in free agency. If you're going to give a deal longer than three years to any QB in this free agent class, he's the one you should give it to.

He's also a really good fit for our offense, but that doesn't even seem to matter to people anymore.[/quote]

I thought Henne was really turning a corner this year before he getting injured. For all the reasons you cite, I would take him in a heartbeat over Sexy Rexy as a stop-gap starter, long-term back up.

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I'd try henne as a backup, but he looks like a whole lot of average to me.

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:vomit:

Oh I'm sorry I thought I just saw people mentioning Chad Henne as a QB option.

Oh wait..I did..

:vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

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Well, this is a Matt Flynn thread. Perspective, people.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872906]Well, this is a Matt Flynn thread. Perspective, people.[/quote]

The perspective is that Flynn had one great game so he is the savior.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872772]Reposted from the other thread because it fits better here:

I'll probably say this a lot between now and mid-March, but Chad Henne is younger, more proven and has better tools than Matt Flynn. See for yourself:

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HennCh01.htm]Chad Henne NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlynMa00.htm]Matt Flynn NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I'm not even sure I understand the argument for Flynn over Henne. We don't know how good Flynn is? The Packers are better at developing QBs than the Dolphins? A mixture of weak reasoning?

Henne should get at least one and a half times what Flynn gets in guaranteed money.[/quote]

I'd be on Henne's jock too if he had a 6TD game under his belt. Just don't think anyone can luck there way through a game like that. I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.

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[quote=44Deezel;872936]I'd be on Henne's jock too if he had a 6TD game under his belt. Just don't think anyone can luck there way through a game like that. I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.[/quote]

Really? Do you also believe there are no one game wonders in the NFL either? I think anyone could have a game like that. Surrounded by a lot of talent at almost every position, game becomes a shootout, you know the offense from being there multiple years.

I don't want Flynn, for multiple reasons. He's played 2 career games in the NFL. Teams have no film on him, they don't have a read on his tendencies. Both of his games came against average to bad defenses. He's had multiple years to learn the offense. The talent level with the Packers is leaps and bounds better than the talent level on the Redskins. And most of all he's not gonna have that comfort zone with whatever team he signs with that he has with the Packers.

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[quote=mooby;872989]Really? Do you also believe there are no one game wonders in the NFL either? I think anyone could have a game like that. Surrounded by a lot of talent at almost every position, game becomes a shootout, you know the offense from being there multiple years.

I don't want Flynn, for multiple reasons. He's played 2 career games in the NFL. Teams have no film on him, they don't have a read on his tendencies. Both of his games came against average to bad defenses. He's had multiple years to learn the offense. The talent level with the Packers is leaps and bounds better than the talent level on the Redskins. And most of all he's not gonna have that comfort zone with whatever team he signs with that he has with the Packers.[/quote]

Sure I do, but that wasn't just a good game. That was off the charts record breaking good and I don't think just anyone can have a game like that. Our guys struggle to throw 1Td against the worst defenses in the league. Plus he had a great game last year, impressed the Green Bay coaches enough to earn the back up role after being drafted in the 7th round and word is Aaron Rodgers trusts him explicitly. They also run a system similar to Kyle's.

If you think he can only play at that level if he's surrounded by talent, then all we need to do is surround him with talent. I don't advocate getting him if Green Bay franchises him, but assuming it only costs money I think we should nab him. We don't have any Portis or Haynesworth-like salaries weighing us down.

So you want talent? How about Bowe in free agency and Blackmon with the 6th pick.

Bowe, Blackmon, Hankerson, Moss
Cooley, Davis
Hightower, Helu, Royster

At least 8 more draft picks for O-line and Defense, plus more free agents. If Cleveland gets Flynn then we should have a good shot at RGIII.

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[quote=44Deezel;872995]Sure I do, but that wasn't just a good game. That was off the charts record breaking good and I don't think just anyone can have a game like that. Our guys struggle to throw 1Td against the worst defenses in the league. Plus he had a great game last year, impressed the Green Bay coaches enough to earn the back up role after being drafted in the 7th round and word is Aaron Rodgers trusts him explicitly. They also run a system similar to Kyle's.

If you think he can only play at that level if he's surrounded by talent, then all we need to do is surround him with talent. I don't advocate getting him if Green Bay franchises him, but assuming it only costs money I think we should nab him. We don't have any Portis or Haynesworth-like salaries weighing us down.

So you want talent? How about Bowe in free agency and Blackmon with the 6th pick.

Bowe, Blackmon, Hankerson, Moss
Cooley, Davis
Hightower, Helu, Royster

At least 8 more draft picks for O-line and Defense, plus more free agents. If Cleveland gets Flynn then we should have a good shot at RGIII.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Exactly the way i feel! Whats the other option, drafting an unproven QB and sticking him in with no talent around him? Flynn gives us the ability to add multiple young players and quality depth at other much needed positions, not just one QB that, [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/46049-ten-years-of-first-round-qbs.html"]from recent history, could be very hit or miss.[/URL] [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;873070][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Exactly the way i feel! Whats the other option, drafting an unproven QB and sticking him in with no talent around him? Flynn gives us the ability to add multiple young players and quality depth at other much needed positions, not just one QB that, [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/46049-ten-years-of-first-round-qbs.html"]from recent history, could be very hit or miss.[/URL] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

The interesting thing about that link is that in the past 10 years, despite multiple drafts (7) with more than one top 10 QB being drafted, there was not a draft when QB went 1-2. The notion that the Rams are the only option to trade for RGIII is flawed, especially in the scenario I posed in another thread of the Browns going big on Flynn based on the Holmgren past with GB backups.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/4/2681473/breaking-down-matt-flynns-6-td-480-yard-performance]Breaking Down Matt Flynn's 6 TD, 480 Yard Performance - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=44Deezel;872936]I'd be on Henne's jock too if he had a 6TD game under his belt. Just don't think anyone can luck there way through a game like that. I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.[/quote]I don't think he lucked his way through that game by any stretch -- I think he really was that good -- but I think he was at least a little fortunate to be playing a zone coverage team at home in the conditions. Kyle system isn't similar to Green Bay's though. I suppose I could be misunderstanding what you mean by similar, but for me, I can't think of two modern passing systems that are much more different.

When valuing Matt Flynn on the free agent market, that 6 TD game will be basically meaningless. Not in the way that it was lucky. But going into that game, Flynn like Henne had a negative career TD/INT ratio. So the 6 TDs vs. 1 INTs is a clear outlier in a rather unremarkable career.

Flynn had a great offensive performance, but aren't there about three performances of this quality every week that just don't stand out because the game is put away after the 4th passing TD?

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I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;873130]I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...[/quote]

I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.

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[quote=Paintrain;873161]I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.[/quote]

Mitchell gets a bit of a bad rap.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MitcSc00.htm]Scott Mitchell NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

He had a heck of a season in '95. He wasn't a total flame out.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;873130]I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...[/quote]Schaub had an entire three year college starting career and a good draft grade to justify what people were seeing. (And yet, had Schaub failed, a bunch of people would have lined up outside Kubiak's office to yell "Called it!")

Flynn has...9 touchdown passes and QB competition with Brian Brohm. And whatever you think a BCS championship (with a two loss team) is worth.

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To me, the guy I would compare Flynn to (if I were in favor of getting Flynn) would be Matt Cassel.

But I am also not in favor of Flynn, in part because of Matt Cassel.

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[quote=GTripp0012;873178]To me, the guy I would compare Flynn to (if I were in favor of getting Flynn) would be Matt Cassel.

But I am also not in favor of Flynn, in part because of Matt Cassel.[/quote]

Probably a perfect comparison.. College backup to pro backup in a phenomenal system who had success surrounded by elite players. It's very risky projecting those players as starters and paying a ton of money on hope.

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[quote=Paintrain;873179]Probably a perfect comparison.. College backup to pro backup in a phenomenal system who had success surrounded by elite players. It's very risky projecting those players as starters and paying a ton of money on hope.[/quote]

In what way is he similar to Matt Cassel? These guys are not similar.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;873182]In what way is he similar to Matt Cassel? These guys are not similar.[/quote]Based on...

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[quote=GTripp0012;873188]Based on...[/quote]

Man, how dumb are you? One of them only has one T in their name. SMH

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[quote=SmootSmack;873190]Man, how dumb are you? One of them only has one T in their name. SMH[/quote]

Funniest thing I've heard all day. Needed that after a long day at work. Thanks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873190]Man, how dumb are you? One of them only has one T in their name. SMH[/quote]This thread keeps making me think about the Cowboys punter.

Speaking of which, why can no one hit that scoreboard anymore? If the Cowboys are going to consistently fail to qualify for the playoffs, I don't want them to go quietly. I want a blooper reel.

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[quote=GTripp0012;873193]This thread keeps making me think about the Cowboys punter.

Speaking of which, why can no one hit that scoreboard anymore? If the Cowboys are going to consistently fail to qualify for the playoffs, I don't want them to go quietly. I want a blooper reel.[/quote]

they raised it like 20 feet after the media had a field day with it last i heard...

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[quote=44Deezel;872936]I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.[/quote]I think you should care about their system and their talent because its the context in which Flynn is being evaluated.
If you're saying you like Flynn because of his physical skillset then by all means dismiss the context.
But, if you like Flynn because of his production you'd better play close attention to the system and the talent where he amassed that production.
Because rest assured you're signing/trading Flynn's physical skillset not his production.
And imo Flynn skillset suggest that he's more of the quintessential 'system' QB then he is a scheme diverse physically gifted QB.
And if you're signing a system QB you'd better be able to replicate the the pieces of that system (caoching/gameplanning/playcalling/talent (receiving corps/OL etc) if you want similar results.