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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875791]Excuse me, but wasn't the same said about SF? They'll be last in their division, good luck coming off a strike off season, blah, blah, blah. Harbaugh is good coach and motivator, he sure proved how to do it. Wasn't Alex Smith consider worse than Grossman?[/quote]

That team he inherited underperformed under Singletary which is exactly why he got fired. They had a beast defense (which got better in the off-season) and they had key pieces on the offense and addressed more this past off-season and draft.


Our team was a horrible mess on both the starting and depth positions.

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Brady is on fire.

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What a beating. The Broncos would need a 49ers type come back. Tebow better be Tebowing his brains out during the half.

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Guess god isn't answering his phone calls from Tebow today.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875789]You live in the SF Bay area and understand about putting up hearing shit talk from 49er and Raider fans ( I don't mind the Raiders). That's what pisses me off, we could have had a great young coach. I despise 49er fans even thought many are friends.[/quote]

Here's the funny thing though. The 49ers have been an after thought in the Bay Area for the last 10 years. Hell, not even KNBR would talk about them, they'd still cover and pontificate about the Giants months after their season has ended smack dab in the middle of the NFL season. You use to see 49er jerseys everywhere, until most of those fair weather fans jumped ship to the Raiders once they became the hot team, now you hardly see any 49er jerseys. But after this weekend, it's going to be the 1980's all over again. Fair weather fans will tuck away their Raider Jerseys and put on their 49er jerseys. I have no escape becase my fiance is a die-hard 49er fan, so I've softened on them a bit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875798]I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.

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[quote=NC_Skins;875793]That team he inherited underperformed under Singletary which is exactly why he got fired. They had a beast defense (which got better in the off-season) and they had key pieces on the offense and addressed more this past off-season and draft.


Our team was a horrible mess on both the starting and depth positions.[/quote]

You know what? The same can be said about the Redskins and you can laugh all you want. The key additions to be the 49ers of next year are a QB, CB, G and fill the other position with depth. QB play and OL injuries in the early to mid season killed the Redskins, inconsistent CB and S play (due to injuries and lack of experience). The Redskins found OL depth in the 2nd half of the season and I'm looking forwards to next season. If the Redskins can't get Luck or RGIII they should draft David DeCastro, he is the key to the offense. You trade down draft him and a QB in the late 1st early 2nd (depending on the trade). DeCastro would improve our running game and open the passing game, just look at the 49ers OL.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;875799]Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.[/QUOTE]

Different teams pats were loaded that year colts are not

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=NC_Skins;875799]Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.[/quote]

As much as It pains me to say it neither of them are better than Montana. Joe would of had 6 superbowls if it weren't for Jim Burt(the hit that finished him in SF) and Roger Craig(fumbling the ball when they're running out the clock to go to their 3rd straight superbowl). Manning and Brady are better pure passers, but no one played better in the big games than # 16. If there was 2 minute left on the clock, and I could pick any QB, I'd pick Montana. I've seen both Brady and Peyton completely fold and throw INT's in critical playoff moments. Joe has never done anything remotely close.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;875797]Here's the funny thing though. The 49ers have been an after thought in the Bay Area for the last 10 years. Hell, not even KNBR would talk about them, they'd still cover and pontificate about the Giants months after their season has ended smack dab in the middle of the NFL season. You use to see 49er jerseys everywhere, until most of those fair weather fans jumped ship to the Raiders once they became the hot team, now you hardly see any 49er jerseys. But after this weekend, it's going to be the 1980's all over again. Fair weather fans will tuck away their Raider Jerseys and put on their 49er jerseys. I have no escape becase my fiance is a die-hard 49er fan, so I've softened on them a bit.[/quote]

I'm on the same boat, my wife is a native San Franciscan, my kids like the 49ers (blasphemy) and I have to hear her relatives and my friends. Meanwhile, for the last 20 years I watch the Redskins and have to hear my wife say they suck, will they ever win? All I want is to one day recapture the 80's and tell everyone around here to **** off!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875801]Different teams pats were loaded that year colts are not

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

If you switched Brady and Manning. He would have just as many Super Bowl rings if not more.

Brady on the other hand would be lucky to have that one.


Colt's defense has always been the reason they never made any noise in the playoffs. You can't say the Patriots were stacked that year, because they were the same team the year prior and the year after. In fact, they went 10-6 the year he came back. I think you give Brady too much credit for some of those wins. In fact, I do believe Vinateri was responsible for winning 2 of those Super Bowls himself. (even in the prior playoff games)

There has never been a QB in the NFL on the level of Manning. I've never seen a QB in my life dissect defenses the way this guy has. Mind you, I've seen guys like Terry Bradshaw to Joe Montana play.

I'd say Montana is a better QB than Brady.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875803]I'm on the same boat, my wife is a native San Franciscan, my kids like the 49ers (blasphemy) and I have to hear her relatives and my friends. Meanwhile, for the last 20 years I watch the Redskins and have to hear my wife say they suck, will they ever win? [B]All I want is to one day recapture the 80's and tell everyone around here to **** off!![/B][/quote]

I understand. I get taunted by Saints fans. For an older fart like me, it is unbearable to face the reality that fans of the Saints have the upper hand.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;875802] but no one played better in the big games than # 16. If there was 2 minute left on the clock, and I could pick any QB, I'd pick Montana. I've seen both Brady and Peyton completely fold and throw INT's in critical playoff moments. Joe has never done anything remotely close.[/quote]

I will agree with you 100% on this. I would also pick Montana if I had 2 mins on the clock and needed a TD to win.

In fact, those last 3 mins today in the San Fran game gave me flashbacks of Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati.

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At this point, the best outcome for Tebow would be the Rapture.

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[quote=NC_Skins;875809]At this point, the best outcome for Tebow would be the Rapture.[/quote]

lol Dec 21 is right around the corner.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875798]I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

I would say greatest in NFL today but I wouldn't even say top ten all time. The rules today favor the passing game so much that it is hard to compare different eras. Marino, Montana, Jurgenson, Young, Kelly, Stabler, Bradshaw, Baugh and others could all get over 5,000 yards every season today. Especially throwing underneath to Welker and Gronkowski and then watching them add 50 yac.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;875804]If you switched Brady and Manning. He would have just as many Super Bowl rings if not more.

Brady on the other hand would be lucky to have that one.


Colt's defense has always been the reason they never made any noise in the playoffs. You can't say the Patriots were stacked that year, because they were the same team the year prior and the year after. In fact, they went 10-6 the year he came back. I think you give Brady too much credit for some of those wins. In fact, I do believe Vinateri was responsible for winning 2 of those Super Bowls himself. (even in the prior playoff games)

There has never been a QB in the NFL on the level of Manning. I've never seen a QB in my life dissect defenses the way this guy has. Mind you, I've seen guys like Terry Bradshaw to Joe Montana play.

I'd say Montana is a better QB than Brady.[/QUOTE]

Your crazy man Brady has never had the talent PM has had at WR and when EJ was his rb not even close.. tom had moss for a couple years that's it. Look at his wr corp and rbs over his 3 that's right 3 super bowl titles

#Hail to the Redskins

[QUOTE=rypper11;875811]I would say greatest in NFL today but I wouldn't even say top ten all time. The rules today favor the passing game so much that it is hard to compare different eras. Marino, Montana, Jurgenson, Young, Kelly, Stabler, Bradshaw, Baugh and others could all get over 5,000 yards every season today. Especially throwing underneath to Welker and Gronkowski and then watching them add 50 yac.[/QUOTE]

I think many of u really don't understand how great Brady is, not in the top 10? Wow

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875812]Your crazy man Brady has never had the talent PM has had at WR and when EJ was his rb not even close.. tom had moss for a couple years that's it. Look at his wr corp and rbs over his 3 that's right 3 super bowl titles
[/quote]

I think it's Peyton that made the WRs. Tell me exactly what those same WRs did this past year? Nothing.

No matter which WR came into Peyton's lineup, they've done good. Hell, Branch is a huge example of that. He did great at New England, went to Seattle and shitted it up. Came back and he's decent again.

Brady (minus this year) has always had top 5 rated defenses when he won the Super Bowls. Makes a world of difference.

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Brady had Randy Moss.

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Boy, right as I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Tebow being better than I think he is and the fact that he's one of the true role models in the NFL, he goes out and lays this egg. Think Elway is regretting his decision to name Tebow his starting qb next season?

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[quote=NC_Skins;875799]Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.[/quote]

Patriots can't be faulted for having a proper backup in place, where as the Colt's obviously never gave thought to the possibilty of life without Manning until it was already upon them. Plus everyone wants to talk about the defenses of both the Colts and Patriots, I'm sorry other than a couple players they could be almost exact clones of each other on how inconsistent they've been over the years. And finally, look at the weapons each team supplied the 2 qbs. Manning has had Harrison (future HOFer), Wayne (future HOFer), Clark (future HOFer), Stoakley, Garcion, Pollard & Collie. Brady has only had Moss (future HOFer for 3 seasons), Welker (best slot reciever in the game currently but I'm not sure if he's a HOFer right now), and then of course the last 2 years Gronk & Hernandez. But also lost in that is the fact Brady has done what he's done year in and year out with a minimal running game at best. Manning had James in his backfield putting up over 1200 yards rushing 6 out of 8 seasons for the Colts where as the last 11 years have seen the Patriots only have that happen once with Corey Dillion doing that in 2004.

Hands down for me Brady has done more with less his entire career and is the best qb of all time.

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I wonder how GMScud feels about this Tebow showing.

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Stokley, Garcon, Pollard, Collie??????????? Really? Without Manning you wouldn't know who those guys are.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;875818]Hands down for me Brady has done more with less his entire career and is the best qb of all time.[/quote]

Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.


Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.

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[quote=rypper11;875811]I would say greatest in NFL today but I wouldn't even say top ten all time. The rules today favor the passing game so much that it is hard to compare different eras. Marino, Montana, Jurgenson, Young, Kelly, Stabler, Bradshaw, Baugh and others could all get over 5,000 yards every season today. Especially throwing underneath to Welker and Gronkowski and then watching them add 50 yac.[/quote]

Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875815]Brady had Randy Moss.[/quote]

For 3 seasons, and only one of which saw them make the Superbowl and that was also the only one of the 4 Brady led Patriot teams that lost a Superbowl.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875821]Stokley, Garcon, Pollard, Collie??????????? Really? Without Manning you wouldn't know who those guys are.[/quote]

Exactly. I keep hearing about all this "talent" he's had and the truth is, he's made them.


What did Edjerrin James do when he left the Colts? Absolutely nothing.


With all that "talent", and they ranked 27th in passing.

Manning Is one of the best ever top 10 but he has a losing playoff record and has only won one sb. Bradys playoff record is very good and has won 3 titles and maybe 4 this season sorry but the NFL is about winning and Brady has more than Manning

Reggie Wayne? Marvin Harrison Dallas clark??

#Hail to the Redskins

Pussy move by Miller take your ass kicking like a man

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=44Deezel;875824]Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?[/quote]


Troy Brown had a 1200 yard season Tom's first year. If you look at Tom's progression, he didn't hit a QB rating of 90 until 2004. Up until then, the numbers were kind of meh.


Wait, so Welker sucked in Miami but now is beastly? So are you saying he's a scrub and only good because of Brady? In the same breath, you say Manning had all this talent....lol He's also been with the Pats since 2007 so it's been longer than 5 minutes.

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Ahhhh geez Brady vs Manning is awesome! Never loses it's innate humor :)

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I'll second that skinsfaninok. What a punk move by Miller. Take your ass whipping like a man. Also lol at a Tom Brady punt on third down. Guess Emperor Belichick has decided to play it safer instead of going for it on third/fourth down in a meaningless blowout, ala 2007.

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Put the Broncos in the mix to go after Flynn and/or RGIII, it's going to be a brutal battle between Cleveland, Redskins, Miami and Denver.

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Welker didn't do jack in Miami? Ok then.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875828]Manning Is one of the best ever top 10 but he has a losing playoff record and has only won one sb. Bradys playoff record is very good and has won 3 titles and maybe 4 this season sorry but the NFL is about winning and Brady has more than Manning

Reggie Wayne? Marvin Harrison Dallas clark??

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

Seriously guy. Why do you keep ignoring the defenses? I repeat, Tom's Patriots have rocked a top 5 defense each time they went to the Super Bowl. Offense doesn't generally win you Super Bowls, defenses does. Don't act like it doesn't play a part, you know good and god damn well it plays a HUGE part in how far you go.


Wayne also had 500 yard less this year than he did with Manning the prior year. Looks like he's down to being a scrub without Peyton.

Marvin Harrison?
[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/marvinharrison/2501062/profile]Marvin Harrison, WR at NFL.com[/url]

You mean the same Marvin Harrison that didn't do jack shit until Peyton arrived?


Keep on grasping at straws about how this "better talent' he had. :frusty:

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875836]Welker didn't do jack in Miami? Ok then.[/quote]

Which is why New England traded a 2nd round pick for him. :rolleyes:

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[quote=NC_Skins;875823]Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.


Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.[/quote]

Yeah, but they went 18-1 the year before with Brady, and he set the single season record for TDs with 50 (breaking Manning's record). If it weren't for mind boggling drops by Brady's receivers, Manning wouldn't even have a ring. He put his team ahead with 2 minutes to go against the Giants in the Super Bowl, and it took one of the biggest circus plays of all time for the Giants to win that game. Brady is clutch while Manning spends 30 seconds each play trying to figure out how he's going to outsmart the Defense, which in the playoffs, has backfired for him. One of his teammates who was not an idiot Kicker even said so.

Brady = Montana
Manning = Marino

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[quote=NC_Skins;875838]Which is why New England traded a 2nd round pick for him. :rolleyes:[/quote]

Amazing isn't it??