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Now I can excuse some of my antagonists on WP. [COLOR="White"]J/K[/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-minds-compartments-create-conflicting-beliefs"]How our modular brains lead us to deny and distort evidence - Shermer[/URL]

[I]There is no unified “self” that generates internally consistent and seamlessly coherent beliefs devoid of conflict. Instead we are a collection of distinct but interacting modules often at odds with one another. The module that leads us to crave sweet and fatty foods in the short term is in conflict with the module that monitors our body image and health in the long term. The module for cooperation is in conflict with the one for competition, as are the modules for altruism and avarice or the modules for truth telling and lying.[/I]

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/largest-structure-universe-discovered-093416167.html]Largest Structure in Universe Discovered - Yahoo! News[/url]


Can't wait till we have USS Enterprise ready for voyage.

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[url=http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/28/proof-bigfootgroup-releases-top-10-filmed-encounters/?intcmp=features]‘Proof’ of Bigfoot? Group releases list of top 10 filmed encounters | Fox News[/url]

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[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/finding-bigfoot-physical-evidence-video_n_2565587.html"]'Finding Bigfoot': Eyewitness Accounts And Physical Evidence In West Virginia (VIDEO)[/URL]

^ This could be a really [I]big[/I] discovery!!!!

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Is this also the sci-fi thread?

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[quote=mlmpetert;991368][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/finding-bigfoot-physical-evidence-video_n_2565587.html"]'Finding Bigfoot': Eyewitness Accounts And Physical Evidence In West Virginia (VIDEO)[/URL]

^ This could be a really [I]big[/I] discovery!!!![/quote]

Can we please keep this to legit science stuff and not bullshit gimmicks like Lochness monster or bigfoot? Start a sci-fi thread and post that in there if you wish.


[quote=Mattyk;991372]Is this also the sci-fi thread?[/quote]


Dear god no.

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[URL="http://www.heritagedaily.com/2013/01/a-french-peruvian-spanish-team-discovers-a-chamber-in-machu-picchu/"]Secret Door at Machu Pichu[/URL]

[I]Thierry Jamin, who has investigated several burial sites in the North of Cusco, listened carefully the story of David Crespy. Quickly he wants to confirm the facts behind the story. Accompanied by archaeologists of the Regional Office of the Culture in Cusco, he was able to visit the site several times. His preliminary findings are unequivocal: it is indeed an entrance, blocked by the Incas at an undetermined moment of History. This one is strangely similar to a burial site, such as the ones Thierry Jamin and his companions often find in the valleys of Lacco and Chunchusmayo.

In order to confirm the existence of cavities in the basement of the building, in December 2011 Thierry and his team submit and official request to the Ministry of Culture in Lima, to perform a geophysical survey with the help of electromagnetic (EM) conductivity instruments. This license was granted a few months later.

Realized between April 9th and April 12th 2012, the electromagnetic survey not only confirmed the presence of an underground room but several! Just Behind the famous entrance, a staircase was also discovered. The two main paths seem to lead to specific chambers, including to the main squared one. The different techniques used by the French researcher(s), (Molecular Frequencies Discriminator) allowed them to highlight the presence of important archaeological material, including deposits of metal and a large quantity of gold and silver.[/I]

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[quote=mlmpetert;991368][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/finding-bigfoot-physical-evidence-video_n_2565587.html"]'Finding Bigfoot': Eyewitness Accounts And Physical Evidence In West Virginia (VIDEO)[/URL]

^ This could be a really [I]big[/I] discovery!!!![/quote]

There is a large amount of "suggestive" evidence but, at the end of the day, it means nothing without incontrovertible physical evidence. So there's nothing to say about Bigfoot unless and until there is incontrovertible physical evidence. In this case, that is not what they have, since the hair tests came back as inconclusive.

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[quote=Mattyk;991372]Is this also the sci-fi thread?[/quote]


Its a[I]ll things[/I] science related!!!

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[quote=Lotus;991403]There is a large amount of "suggestive" evidence but, at the end of the day, it means nothing without incontrovertible physical evidence. So there's nothing to say about Bigfoot unless and until there is [B]incontrovertible physical evidence[/B]. In this case, that is not what they have, since the hair tests came back as inconclusive.[/quote]


[url=http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bigfoot-mysterious-screech-sasquatch-194627461--abc-news-topstories.html]Bigfoot's 'Screech' Caught on Tape? | ABC News Blogs - Yahoo![/url]

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[quote=RedskinRat;991402][URL="http://www.heritagedaily.com/2013/01/a-french-peruvian-spanish-team-discovers-a-chamber-in-machu-picchu/"]Secret Door at Machu Pichu[/URL]

[I]Thierry Jamin, who has investigated several burial sites in the North of Cusco, listened carefully the story of David Crespy. Quickly he wants to confirm the facts behind the story. Accompanied by archaeologists of the Regional Office of the Culture in Cusco, he was able to visit the site several times. His preliminary findings are unequivocal: it is indeed an entrance, blocked by the Incas at an undetermined moment of History. This one is strangely similar to a burial site, such as the ones Thierry Jamin and his companions often find in the valleys of Lacco and Chunchusmayo.[/I]

[I]In order to confirm the existence of cavities in the basement of the building, in December 2011 Thierry and his team submit and official request to the Ministry of Culture in Lima, to perform a geophysical survey with the help of electromagnetic (EM) conductivity instruments. This license was granted a few months later.[/I]

[I]Realized between April 9th and April 12th 2012, the electromagnetic survey not only confirmed the presence of an underground room but several! Just Behind the famous entrance, a staircase was also discovered. The two main paths seem to lead to specific chambers, including to the main squared one. The different techniques used by the French researcher(s), (Molecular Frequencies Discriminator) allowed them to highlight the presence of important archaeological material, including deposits of metal and a large quantity of gold and silver.[/I][/quote]


Machu Picho > The Crystal Skulls > Estine

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[quote=NC_Skins;991384]Can we please keep this to legit science stuff and not bullshit gimmicks like Lochness monster or bigfoot? Start a sci-fi thread and post that in there if you wish.
[/quote]


All im posting is science fact!!! Youre the one talking about a voyage on the USS Enterprise.

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[quote=mlmpetert;991423]Machu Picho > The Crystal Skulls > Estine[/quote]

'[I]....perform a geophysical survey with the help of electromagnetic (EM) conductivity instruments.'

[/I]Science, FACT!

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[quote=mlmpetert;991415]Its a[I]ll things[/I] science related!!![/quote]

science is apparently very loosely defined here

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[quote=mlmpetert;991421][url=http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bigfoot-mysterious-screech-sasquatch-194627461--abc-news-topstories.html]Bigfoot's 'Screech' Caught on Tape? | ABC News Blogs - Yahoo![/url][/quote]

I said "incontrovertible." That supposed Bigfoot screech could come from non-bigfoot sources. That tape is not "incontrovertible."

What I was talking about was a body. Or a significant portion of a body. That would be incontrovertible. Until such evidence arises, there is not much else to say.

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^ that shit was definitely bigfoot

Why have we found fking dinosaur bones but not bigfoot bones?!

I cant believe people sometimes

[QUOTE=mlmpetert;991960]^ that shit was definitely bigfoot[/QUOTE]

/facepalm. You can save yourself now; just say you were joking and/or trolling. I dont even care if you're not. Here, this is a "Get Out Of Dodoland Free" card for you. Use it god damnit! I will pretend like I never saw any of this crap.

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lol I can't believe we're talking about bigfoot

What's next for the science thread... ghost hunting?

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[quote=mlmpetert;991960]^ that shit was definitely bigfoot[/quote]

:laughing2 too funny. Sorry Bigfoot doesnt exist, woulda been found by now.

but Matty ghosts do exist...ive had a couple wierd experiences there.

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[quote=Chico23231;992022]:laughing2 too funny. Sorry Bigfoot doesnt exist, woulda been found by now.

but Matty ghosts do exist...ive had a couple wierd experiences there.[/quote]

List of new threads needed:

1) Myths and legends and the tangible proof they exist.

2) Discuss the supernatural, unprovable events of your life.

I would suggest, however, the "Science Related" thread be reserved for facts and theories subject to testing by that tried and true method known as (shocker) "The Scientific Method": [url=http://www.scientificmethod.com/index2.html]The Scientific Method Today[/url]

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Since I have done a great deal of research regarding sasquatch in reputable scientific arenas, let me offer some bigfoot science, since this is a real science thread.

The argument that bigfoot does not exist because we have not found a body fails scientifically. In science, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Every year we find new species. Once upon a time, people argued that the silverback gorilla and the coelecanth did not exist because there was no physical evidence, yet now we know that these once crypto-species actually exist.

Further, in the damp forests of the Pacific NW, corpses decay so quickly that they typically leave no remains. In fact, there are several species which are known to exist yet we have never recovered remains from specimens of those species from the wild. Even scientists who are strongly opposed to the idea of bigfoot admit that remains would be very difficult to come by.

On the flip side, despite these limitations there are no physical remains from bigfoot, and science demands that there must be such evidence before we assent to bigfoot belief. Circumstantial evidence like they produce on "Finding Bigfoot" means nothing scientifically.

Therefore, when it comes to sasquatch, the most scientific attitude is one of agnosticism, neither believing nor disbelieving in bigfoot.

If folks want to learn more, there are several reputable books on the subject (along with a large mass of junk literature). I recommend Professor Jeff Meldrum's <Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science> as a starting point.

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[quote=Lotus;992116]Since I have done a great deal of research regarding sasquatch in reputable scientific arenas, let me offer some bigfoot science, since this is a real science thread.

The argument that bigfoot does not exist because we have not found a body fails scientifically. In science, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Every year we find new species. Once upon a time, people argued that the silverback gorilla and the coelecanth did not exist because there was no physical evidence, yet now we know that these once crypto-species actually exist.

Further, in the damp forests of the Pacific NW, corpses decay so quickly that they typically leave no remains. In fact, there are several species which are known to exist yet we have never recovered remains from specimens of those species from the wild. Even scientists who are strongly opposed to the idea of bigfoot admit that remains would be very difficult to come by.

On the flip side, despite these limitations there are no physical remains from bigfoot, and science demands that there must be such evidence before we assent to bigfoot belief. Circumstantial evidence like they produce on "Finding Bigfoot" means nothing scientifically.

Therefore, when it comes to sasquatch, the most scientific attitude is one of agnosticism, neither believing nor disbelieving in bigfoot.

If folks want to learn more, there are several reputable books on the subject (along with a large mass of junk literature). I recommend Professor Jeff Meldrum's <Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science> as a starting point.[/quote]


Thats awesome. I never realized how serisous people were about BigFoot until today. I cant belive how much crap there is out there about BF. I mean, there are forums just like this one devoted to the beast!!!! People are wayyyy to serious about big foot.

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Meanwhile, i thought it would be cool to see a picture of BigFoot driving a BIGFOOT. Nothing!!!! Well, at least until recently......


[IMG]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zhP4XX9kNxY/UQrtz8N_CsI/AAAAAAAAAZg/0lwFHngYrT0/s512/Untitled.png[/IMG]

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[quote=Lotus;992116]The argument that bigfoot does not exist because we have not found a body fails scientifically. In science, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. [/quote]

Although as Irving Copi stated:

[I]In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence.[/I]

Like dragons, Sasquatch and any deity.

I'd rather go the route of Bertrand Russell's teapot.

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Let's get back to some real science news shall we

[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/uk-britain-richard-idUSLNE91301X20130204]England's King Richard III found after 500 years | Reuters[/url]

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[URL="http://gizmodo.com/5980796/first+ever-incredible-footage-of-a-thought-being-formed"]First ever footage of a thought being formed[/URL]:

[I]A team of Japanese researchers has achieved something incredible: they've captured, for the first time ever, a movie which shows how thoughts form in the brain.

OK, so it's a thought forming in the brain of a zebrafish. And OK, its the fish's reaction to seeing food, so it's probably along the lines of "HUNGRY!". But we shouldn't play this down: this is a fundamental leap forward in our understanding of how brains work.[/I]

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[URL="http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/black-hornet-nano-uav-helping-keep-soldiers-safe-in-afghanistan-2013024/"]Black Hornet Nano[/URL]

Coming to a street near you, real soon.
[I]
Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) are becoming an ever more common site in the skies, but they are seen in their greatest numbers over combat zones. It makes sense to use them there as they can remain airborne for many hours monitoring, and even attacking a target without putting a soldier’s life in danger.

Drone technology is always improving though, and a new unit is helping to keep UK soldiers safe by its ability to quickly check what’s around the next corner while at the same time being small enough to fit in a pocket.

It’s called the Black Hornet Nano Unmanned Air Vehicle and measures just 10 x 2.5cm and weighs a mere 16 grams. It looks very similar to a miniature helicopter, but inside you’ll find a tiny camera alongside the motor and battery that allow it to fly.[/I]

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Nano technology is really facinating stuff and may revolutionize how we prescribe medicine. However the caveat to that is that insurance companies may need acces to some of our genetic information.

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[quote=RedskinRat;992966]Although as Irving Copi stated:

[I]In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence.[/I]

Like dragons, Sasquatch and any deity.

I'd rather go the route of Bertrand Russell's teapot.[/quote]

Copi's statement here is taken out-of-context. He said that such only applies to well-defined and delimited contexts, such as with a claim like, "There is no sock under the couch." As a general principle, Copi stands with "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." See Copi's <Introduction to Logic>.

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[quote=Lotus;993183]Copi's statement here is taken out-of-context. He said that such only applies to well-defined and delimited contexts, such as with a claim like, "There is no sock under the couch." As a general principle, Copi stands with "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." See Copi's <Introduction to Logic>.[/quote]

Given that no purported sightings of Sasquatch and friends have ever referenced a diminutive, lithe figure and that they are regularly observed to be 6'-10' and in excess of 500lbs there would be, [I][B]AT THE VERY LEAST,[/B][/I] some evidence left as a trail in what you assert to be 'damp forests'.

So that should cover well-defined and delimited contexts, unless they have some physics-defying special power.

[quote=Lotus;993183]Since I have done a great deal of research regarding sasquatch in reputable scientific arenas, let me offer some bigfoot science,[/quote]

Dafuq?!?!??!? Big Foot science? Oxymoron much?

[quote=Lotus;993183] since this is a real science thread.[/quote]

Be honest: Your study of Big Foot was an excuse to wring dry some poor saps grant to your seat of learning, wasn't it?

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I think im gonna offer signed prints of my BigFoot artwork.

$25 for the first 50
$10 thereafter

*Additional $2 charge for PayPal. NO EXCEPTIONS

Please pm me to order.

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I think people dress up like big foot to smuggle home grown out of the forest.

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[quote=firstdown;993226]I think people dress up like big foot to smuggle home grown out of the forest.[/quote]

How is it 'Home Grown' if they're in the forest?

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Redskin Rat:
There actually are several people at research universities who study sasquatch. Hence there is a "bigfoot science," whether you are aware of this or not. Your being dismissive does not change reality.

My research into sasquatch occurred as part of a project on a different topic, for which an element including sasquatch research was a helpful sidebar. Neither I nor my school received a dime of grant money for this research, which was published in a good academic journal.

If you want to opine that sasquatch doesn't exist, fine, join the very large club of people who agree with you. But I was talking about a scientific attitude toward sasquatch.

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[quote=Lotus;993233]Redskin Rat:
There actually are several people at research universities who study sasquatch. Hence there is a "bigfoot science," whether you are aware of this or not. Your being dismissive does not change reality.[/quote]

And I would counter that just because something is studied in University does not make it science.

[quote=Lotus;993233]My research into sasquatch occurred as part of a project on a different topic, for which an element including sasquatch research was a helpful sidebar. Neither I nor my school received a dime of grant money for this research, which was published in a good academic journal.[/quote]

Define 'good'.

[quote=Lotus;993233]If you want to opine that sasquatch doesn't exist, fine, join the very large club of people who agree with you. But I was talking about a scientific attitude toward sasquatch.[/quote]

Again, I would direct your attention to Bertrand's celestial samovar....

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Redskinsrat, using the scientific process to guide your judgement, what order would you assign to the following with regards to their likelihood of existence:

Bigfoot
Jesus Christ
Intelligent alien life visiting Earth within the last 2,013 years

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[quote=RedskinRat;993232]How is it 'Home Grown' if they're in the forest?[/quote]

It doesnt sound like youve ever had bigfoot blaze. Loosen up brah

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[quote=RedskinRat;993244]And I would counter that just because something is studied in University does not make it science.



Define 'good'.



Again, I would direct your attention to Bertrand's celestial samovar....[/quote]

Worse than ignorance is willful ignorance.

There's no point in talking to someone whose mind is so closed.

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[url=http://natmonitor.com/2013/02/05/exposure-to-pesticides-in-food-air-and-water-increases-risk-of-type-2-diabetes-says-new-study/]Exposure to pesticides in food, air and water increases risk of type 2 diabetes, says new study | National Monitor[/url]

[quote]Researchers discovered that people with higher concentrations of DDE – the main metabolite in the pesticide DDT – are four times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than other people. The risk of type 2 diabetes is also linked to exposure to β-HCH (beta-Hexachlorocyclohexane), which is found in the formula of the pesticide Lindano.[/quote]