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[quote=CultBrennan59;921646]The only thing I care about with the rooney's and the mara's is Rooney Mara, the hot daughter of John Mara and Niece of Art Rooney.[/quote]

...and Kate Mara isn't to bad either.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;921626]Pacman owned. He really deserved jail time.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8058700/jury-orders-adam-pacman-jones-pay-11-million-shooting-victims]Jury orders Adam 'Pacman' Jones to pay $11 million to shooting victims - ESPN[/url][/QUOTE]

he won't pay anything close to 11 M.

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[quote=Giantone;921658]Let the court decide,not the thread for this.[/quote]Court???? I'm just talking about how Mara is unlike the Rooneys and Kraft. That's not what the latest NFLPA suit is about, lol. Again, it's an insult to the Rooneys and Kraft, to compare them to Mara.

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[quote=Giantone;921658]Let the court decide,not the thread for this.[/quote]

Oh, you're a moderator now?

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[quote=Giantone;921659]...and Kate Mara isn't to bad either.[/quote]

Freckles and pointy elbows.....wouldn't bang.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;921672]Freckles and pointy elbows.....wouldn't bang.[/quote]

Because we all know that elbows are the first thing you notice in a potential spouse.

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LaDanian Tomlinson will sign with Chargers...and retire

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;921689]LaDanian Tomlinson will sign with Chargers...and retire[/QUOTE]

One of the best to ever play

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[quote=skinsfaninok;921692]One of the best to ever play[/quote]

yet another great player that will never get a super bowl ring..

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;921694]yet another great player that will never get a super bowl ring..[/QUOTE]

They had enough talent to win in SD. Just couldn't get past NE or IND

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[quote=skinsfaninok;921695]They had enough talent to win in SD. [B]Just couldn't get past NE or IND[/B][/quote]

Then obviously they didn't have enough talent and coaching if they couldn't win it all...

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[quote=SmootSmack;921689]LaDanian Tomlinson will sign with Chargers...and retire[/quote]

Deserves it's on thread, no?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;921695]They had enough talent to win in SD. Just couldn't get past NE or IND[/quote][quote=CultBrennan59;921696]Then obviously they didn't have enough talent and coaching if they couldn't win it all...[/quote]then obviously there was no mention of coaching in the post you quoted...

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[quote=los panda;921701]then obviously there was no mention of coaching in the post you quoted...[/quote]

was it really needed to be included? And they didn't have the talent b/c there have been teams with worse coaching and better talent to win super bowls..

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;921709]was it really needed to be included? And they didn't have the talent b/c there have been teams with worse coaching and better talent to win super bowls..[/QUOTE]

Sd was loaded man cmon

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[quote=CultBrennan59;921709]was it really needed to be included? And they didn't have the talent b/c there have been teams with worse coaching and better talent to win super bowls..[/quote]they had enough talent to go 12-4, 13-3, and 14-2 in the regular season. neither marty nor norv have ever made it to the super bowl, let alone won the super bowl, as a head coach.

to say the reason that they didn't have enough talent is a result from other teams winning the super bowl w inferior coaching doesn't make any sense. [B]what are some examples of those teams ("with worse coaching and better talent") impacting the talent level of the chargers players?[/B] on an unrelated note, what teams are you referring to that won the super bowl w worse coaching and better talent?

if you go 14-2, you've got enough talent to win the super bowl. if your coach is marty schottenheimer, history is not on your side.
if you go 13-3, you've got enough talent to win the super bowl. if your coach is norv turner, history is not on your side.

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well the cowboys and the 49ers are examples of teams with talent but no coaching (Seifert was just an ok coach and Barry Switzer wasn't a great NFL head coach). The ravens defense is a wildcard in this topic because they were so good and talented it did matter who coached them, but they were coached by marvin lewis, del rio, and mike smith (2/3 are still head coaches).

SD had talent yes, but whenever they lost it was because they were both outplayed and outcoached.

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'06 - marlon mccree intercepts brady on 4th down, gets stripped by troy brown, patriots recover, go on to win. if mccree goes down immediately, as most well-coached players do in those situations, who knows how it ends. exit marty

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[quote=los panda;921721]they had enough talent to go 12-4, 13-3, and 14-2 in the regular season. neither marty nor norv have ever made it to the super bowl, let alone won the super bowl, as a head coach.

to say the reason that they didn't have enough talent is a result from other teams winning the super bowl w inferior coaching doesn't make any sense. [B]what are some examples of those teams ("with worse coaching and better talent") impacting the talent level of the chargers players?[/B] on an unrelated note, what teams are you referring to that won the super bowl w worse coaching and better talent?

if you go 14-2, you've got enough talent to win the super bowl. if your coach is marty schottenheimer, history is not on your side.
if you go 13-3, you've got enough talent to win the super bowl. if your coach is norv turner, history is not on your side.[/quote]


Norv and Marty are both excellent examples of this. Let's not forget Dan Reeves also had great teams in Denver but never won a Super Bowl. Similarly, Marv Levy was the exact same way. His Bills teams lost four straight super bowls in the early 90s. But unlike Norv and Marty, Reeves and Levy made it to Super Bowls. They just couldn't win them whereas Norv and Marty might've coached excellent teams that were probably good enough to win Super Bowls, but they could never make it to one.

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[quote=Giantone;921659]...and Kate Mara isn't to bad either.[/quote]

She has between a perma-angry Jim Carrey face and a Joker face. Add me to the "no thanks" bandwagon.

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[IMG]http://images.askmen.com/galleries/celeb-profiles-actress/kate-mara/pictures/kate-mara-picture-2.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Monkeydad;921772]She has between a perma-angry Jim Carrey face and a Joker face. Add me to the "no thanks" bandwagon.

[IMG]http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2010/transformation/2010-Kate-Mara-7-400.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/KateMara06.jpg/220px-KateMara06.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://images.askmen.com/galleries/celeb-profiles-actress/kate-mara/pictures/kate-mara-picture-2.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

No idea what you are looking at, but I think she is beautiful.

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Former Eagles' Prez Banner "laughing" about DeSean Jackson's contract.


[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4659/desean-jackson"]DeSean Jackson - Philadelphia Eagles - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/URL]
[B]According to the Boston Globe, outgoing Eagles president Joe Banner is "having a good laugh" about DeSean Jackson's five-year, $47 million contract.
[/B]Per plugged-in Boston Globe reporter Greg Bedard, Banner "never would have done that deal." Banner was considered one of the league's most skilled contract negotiators before losing a power struggle with Andy Reid and GM Howie Roseman. Reid now has absolute power in Philly, in a Belichickian role.

SOURCE:
[URL="http://articles.boston.com/2012-06-17/sports/32271627_1_steve-spagnuolo-pat-shurmur-head-coach"]Steve Spagnuolo eager to get started with Saints - Boston.com[/URL]
[QUOTE]Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson started a rap label and dropped $25,000 at a Los Angeles launch party. In his office that is still inside the Eagles’ NovaCare facility, former team president Joe Banner is having a good laugh. Jackson received his $47 million extension, in good measure, because Banner had his contract power usurped. Banner never would have done that deal.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=los panda;921747]'06 - marlon mccree intercepts brady on 4th down, gets stripped by troy brown, patriots recover, go on to win. if mccree goes down immediately, as most well-coached players do in those situations, who knows how it ends. exit marty[/quote]

2002 National Championship game, Sean Taylor intercepts Craig Krenzel in the end zone, as he returns it Maurice Clarrett comes out of no where and strips him, Ohio State recovers and goes on to win.

2009 Kareem Moore intercepts Drew Brees and as he is going down is stripped by Robert Meachem who goes in for a TD.

Both of those games would have gone the other way if not for those fluke plays. Those plays are just flukes.

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That Meachem strip was a great play...but so painful.

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I remember that play. If only Kareem Moore could have held onto the ball. The thing about it was the Redskins had the Saints number in that game but they weren't able to overcome them.

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[quote=Monkeydad;921775]Former Eagles' Prez Banner "laughing" about DeSean Jackson's contract.

SOURCE:
[URL="http://articles.boston.com/2012-06-17/sports/32271627_1_steve-spagnuolo-pat-shurmur-head-coach"]Steve Spagnuolo eager to get started with Saints - Boston.com[/URL][/quote]


I'm sure he is laughing. I would be too. I wouldn't have paid him that much money after seeing how he quit on the team due to his pouting.


Also from that same article.


This sound familiar?

[quote]The Jets are still waiting for safety LaRon Landry (Achilles’ tendon) to be ready, and he might not be until after training camp starts. “When you look at his history, he hasn’t been full speed in a lot of the training camps every day, and watching him, I hope that he can get to that point,’’ said coach Rex Ryan. “We’ll just have to wait and see, see how it plays out.’’ This is exactly why the Patriots passed on him. They don’t need a safety trying to learn a new system in August [/quote]

Enjoy RR and all you Jets fans.

Sincerely,

Redskins fans

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;921777]2002 National Championship game, Sean Taylor intercepts Craig Krenzel in the end zone, as he returns it Maurice Clarrett comes out of no where and strips him, Ohio State recovers and goes on to win.

2009 Kareem Moore intercepts Drew Brees and as he is going down is stripped by Robert Meachem who goes in for a TD.

Both of those games would have gone the other way if not for those fluke plays. Those plays are just flukes.[/quote]

Its awareness (Player trait and coaching trait) and cockiness (player trait and coaching trait). ST knew he was a great player and didn't have great ball security on the play. When you get INT's in football, you're taught to A) hold onto the ball, and B) just go down; you don't have to be superman on a play. Kareem Moore isn't that good of a player, and obviously he ignored his coaches by just going down right then when he intercepted it. Yeah, every once in a while you'll get a play like that that doesn't happen that often. But my favorite quote is Bill Parcells "you are what your record says you are", there were other opportunities in both those game examples you mentioned where the other team could have capitalized or made up for those 'fluke' plays. Its all apart of football.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;921793]Its awareness (Player trait and coaching trait) and cockiness (player trait and coaching trait). ST knew he was a great player and didn't have great ball security on the play. When you get INT's in football, you're taught to A) hold onto the ball, and B) just go down; you don't have to be superman on a play. Kareem Moore isn't that good of a player, and obviously he ignored his coaches by just going down right then when he intercepted it. Yeah, every once in a while you'll get a play like that that doesn't happen that often. But my favorite quote is Bill Parcells "you are what your record says you are", there were other opportunities in both those game examples you mentioned where the other team could have capitalized or made up for those 'fluke' plays. [B]Its all apart of football[/B].[/quote]

Well, that's the point. Many things go into the winning of a championship. All that has been asserted is that SD had the [I]talent[/I] to do so but was not able to have all the pieces come together at the right time to do so.

Winning the SB relies on more than athletic talent - a point you now seem to concede, but which you originally appearred to deny:

[quote=CultBrennan59;921696]Then obviously they didn't have enough talent and coaching if they couldn't win it all...[/quote]

LT's San Diego teams will always be deemed a disappointment b/c, as you say, "they were what their record said they were" - a perennial favorite to go all the way based on their talent that simply never was able to make it to the SB. I would suggest they are on the short list of "Best Teams To Never Win The Superbowl".

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[quote=JoeRedskin;921794]Well, that's the point. Many things go into the winning of a championship. All that has been asserted is that SD had the [I]talent[/I] to do so but was not able to have all the pieces come together at the right time to do so.

Winning the SB relies on more than athletic talent - a point you now seem to concede, but which you originally appearred to deny:



LT's San Diego teams will always be deemed a disappointment b/c, as you say, "they were what their record said they were" - a perennial favorite to go all the way based on their talent that simply never was able to make it to the SB. [B]I would suggest they are on the short list of "Best Teams To Never Win The Superbowl".[/B][/quote]

Agreed. They should be an episode of that "Missing Rings" series.

Too bad for LT.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;921794]Well, that's the point. Many things go into the winning of a championship. All that has been asserted is that SD had the [I]talent[/I] to do so but was not able to have all the pieces come together at the right time to do so.

Winning the SB relies on more than athletic talent - a point you now seem to concede, but which you originally appearred to deny:



LT's San Diego teams will always be deemed a disappointment b/c, as you say, "they were what their record said they were" - a perennial favorite to go all the way based on their talent that simply never was able to make it to the SB. I would suggest they are on the short list of "Best Teams To Never Win The Superbowl".[/quote]


Those San Diego Chargers teams would have never beat the Patriots, the Ravens, or the Steelers in the playoffs. Norv Turner had very good personnel on those Chargers teams but they would always lose in the playoffs to powerhouse teams in the AFC.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;921794]Well, that's the point. Many things go into the winning of a championship. All that has been asserted is that SD had the [I]talent[/I] to do so but was not able to have all the pieces come together at the right time to do so.

Winning the SB relies on more than athletic talent - a point you now seem to concede, but which you originally appearred to deny:



LT's San Diego teams will always be deemed a disappointment b/c, as you say, "they were what their record said they were" - a perennial favorite to go all the way based on their talent that simply never was able to make it to the SB. [B]I would suggest they are on the short list of "Best Teams To Never Win The Superbowl"[/B].[/quote]
Agreed. Last thing I'll say though is this; IF SD had beaten NE and played Indy, then they more than likely would have beaten INDY, and that would be a one and only (as of now) Ring taken away from Peyton Manning. Who is a better player in that argument? Its got to be Peyton. Sometimes history is best as it is..(Peyton with a Ring and LT without one)

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I think many of you guys are forgetting something in your tails of the Chargers in the playoffs.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d810a58f8/Top-Ten-Gutsiest-Performances-Philip-Rivers]NFL Videos: Top Ten Gutsiest Performances: Philip Rivers[/url]


Not to mention, that same game that LT could hardly run because he was badly hurt from the week prior.



Many things come into play in winning a Super Bowl, and quite frankly, luck plays a HUGE part in it. The Patriots have been one of the luckiest teams I've seen to date, in large part due to injuries and calls that always seem to go their way. That's not taking anything away from their coaching, but you have to have luck on your side.

Also, remember, the team that wins the Super Bowl (and NCAA basketball championship) is usually not the best team in the NFL.

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You had me right up until the end. The team that wins the SB is the best "team" of the year. Other teams may have had the opportunity to be the best, but, in any given year, the team that wins it all gets to claim the title of "Best Team of _____".

Otherwise, it's all just a beauty contest and we'll all argue over the Russian Judge's score.

It may be luck, skill or just the proper alignment of the constellations, but, ultimately, in sports, the "best team" is the team still standing at the end. The most anyone else can be is the "best team that didn't win".

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[quote=JoeRedskin;921829]You had me right up until the end. The team that wins the SB is the best "team" of the year. Other teams may have had the opportunity to be the best, but, in any given year, the team that wins it all gets to claim the title of "Best Team of _____". [/quote]


I think you are arguing over semantics really. According to the trophy, they are the best team. In reality, they are not the best team. Very rare does the best team with the championship in the NFL and in college basketball. For one, it's a one game elimination. If they changed the NFL playoffs to to a 3 game format at each level, you'd see a different story to be quite honest.

You think the Giants beat the 2007 Patriots in a best out of 3? Hell no...lol Where they even the best team that year? **** no, they weren't even the best team in their division which is why the Cowboys won it. If they were truly the best team, they would win their division and have home field advantage throughout the playoffs. The regular season is a true indicator of the league's best team. That doesn't mean they are going to win the championship though.

Same with NCAA basketball. The last two teams that held the #1 rank at the end of the season and won it all were Kentucky and UNC. It's a very rare feat.

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[quote=NC_Skins;921831]I think you are arguing over semantics really. According to the trophy, they are the best team. In reality, they are not the best team. Very rare does the best team with the championship in the NFL and in college basketball. For one, it's a one game elimination. If they changed the NFL playoffs to to a 3 game format at each level, you'd see a different story to be quite honest.

You think the Giants beat the 2007 Patriots in a best out of 3? Hell no...lol Where they even the best team that year? **** no, they weren't even the best team in their division which is why the Cowboys won it. If they were truly the best team, they would win their division and have home field advantage throughout the playoffs. The regular season is a true indicator of the league's best team. That doesn't mean they are going to win the championship though.

Same with NCAA basketball. The last two teams that held the #1 rank at the end of the season and won it all were Kentucky and UNC. It's a very rare feat.[/quote]

I agree with JR, the best team is the one that wins it all. On paper, who had the most talent last year between the Mavs and the Heat? And did they play one NBA Final game, or 6? 1 game, 3 game series, 5 game series, 7 game series, you're talking what if's here. The reality is they had 60 minutes, 4 quarters, 2 halves to take the lead and win the game. Did they? No.

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[quote=mooby;921834]I agree with JR, the best team is the one that wins it all. On paper, who had the most talent last year between the Mavs and the Heat? And did they play one NBA Final game, or 6? 1 game, 3 game series, 5 game series, 7 game series, you're talking what if's here. The reality is they had 60 minutes, 4 quarters, 2 halves to take the lead and win the game. Did they? No.[/quote]


So, you are saying the Detroit Lions at 2-14 were a better team than the Redskins who they beat in 2010? Do I even need to answer this?

So, you are saying the Giants who at 10-6 (didn't even win their division) were a better team than the Patriots at 16-0? Absolutely not.

You saying the a 7-9 Seahawks were a better team than a 11-5 Saints? **** no...lol

Well hell, lets just have a 1 game elimination from the get go and forgo any and all regular season. Last man standing!! After all, that's basically what you are equating.

It's not a hard concept to realize that the best team doesn't always win, but that's what makes the NFL (and NCAA tourny) so awesome, it's because it is a single game elimination and YOUR team has a shot in the playoff no matter how shitty they were in the regular season.

If what you are saying is true, then by default, we are super bowl winners since we in fact beat the Giants and Green Bay the past couple years!!! MAKE ROOM IN THE TROPHY CASE GUYS!!! After all, one game apparently means you are the best according to your logic.

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You're ignoring the central point of my argument ... the only team that can claim to be the "best" in any given year is the team that won it all and is standing at the end. All the preliminaries to that game are just that - Preliminiaries. We beat the Giants! Yay!! The Giants played well enough, long enough to win it all. No one else did.

You want to claim you were the best team in any given year? Do what it takes to play in and win the championship. Everyone else is just "The best team that didn't win the Championship" and that is a beauty contest.

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[quote=mooby;921834][B]I agree with JR, the best team is the one that wins it all.[/B] On paper, who had the most talent last year between the Mavs and the Heat? And did they play one NBA Final game, or 6? 1 game, 3 game series, 5 game series, 7 game series, you're talking what if's here. The reality is they had 60 minutes, 4 quarters, 2 halves to take the lead and win the game. Did they? No.[/quote]

I have always thought that you were a man of impeccable wisdom.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;921844]You're ignoring the central point of my argument ... the only team that can claim to be the "best" in any given year is the team that won it all and is standing at the end. All the preliminaries to that game are just that - Preliminiaries. We beat the Giants! Yay!! The Giants played well enough, long enough to win it all. No one else did.

You want to claim you were the best team in any given year? Do what it takes to play in and win the championship. Everyone else is just "The best team that didn't win the Championship" and that is a beauty contest.[/quote]

Mike Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. Was Buster Douglas a better fighter than Mike Tyson? Nope.

I understand winning the championship gives said team the bragging rights of "being the best team that year", but it doesn't really mean the were the best when it comes down to it, which generally shows by their course of work though out the year. The Redskins can't claim to be the best team since they also beat the Packers, who were supposedly the best team according to them winning the Super Bowl. We are arguing semantics in the end and we'll agree to disagree on this particular topic.