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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;923963]If the Redskins do release Banks, Banks will undoubtedly pull a Desmond Howard. He will go to another NFL team and be a spectacular all pro at returning kicks and punts.[/quote]

So what's holding him back here?

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[quote=Mattyk;923985]So what's holding him back here?[/quote]

Its the skins curse! lol

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;923963]If the Redskins do release Banks, Banks will undoubtedly pull a Desmond Howard. He will go to another NFL team and be a spectacular all pro at returning kicks and punts.[/quote]

We better do as he says, the prophecy has been foretold!

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;923963]If the Redskins do release Banks, Banks will undoubtedly pull a Desmond Howard. He will go to another NFL team and be a spectacular all pro at returning kicks and punts.[/QUOTE]

No. He won't. I will bet you any amount of money on the matter.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;923963]If the Redskins do release Banks, Banks will undoubtedly pull a Desmond Howard. He will go to another NFL team and be a spectacular all pro at returning kicks and punts.[/quote]

Yea right....I guess our special teams staff is just the worst ever. We should quit and go play badminton.

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This oftentimes happens to a Redskins player, where he shows flashes of being good, and then the Redskins release him and he ends up playing better for his new team. Banks has had a few long returns during his two year career, but he hasn't made opposing special teams coaches afraid of him. He has the speed to break a return into either a long gain or a TD every time he fields a punt or kickoff, but for some reason he only does so occasionally.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924148]This oftentimes happens to a Redskins player, where he shows flashes of being good, and then the Redskins release him and he ends up playing better for his new team. Banks has had a few long returns during his two year career, but he hasn't made opposing special teams coaches afraid of him. He has the speed to break a return into either a long gain or a TD every time he fields a punt or kickoff, but for some reason he only does so occasionally.[/quote]

Happens less often than people believe and why if he only occasionally breaks free for a long gain or TD now do you think he'll go somewhere else and make Devin Hester look like his bitch?

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Yeah, I agree - you HAVE to be willing to cut non-performing players, and can't be afraid of them having success later on. Can't afford to hold onto a person that's not performing -- [U]"potential" has never won a Super Bowl[/U]. Also, it does not motivate the rest of the team if you tolerate underperforming players.

For every Redskin that has done well when we cut them, I'm sure we can list 20 others that did not. I think of McNabb, Haynesworth, Portis, M.Kelly, D.Thomas (still on special teams), etc... There are also players that performed better when cut from the Patriots, Green Bay, NYG, Ravens -- there's always a risk when you cut a player. And we've picked up guys from other teams like Carriker and Fletcher - as free agents who have outperformed expectations.

Not to mention -- it's not always reflective of bad judgement. Sometimes when the player does well in a different team, it could be the new team runs a system better suited to their skills.


Still say that we evaluate closely Banks again, but cut him if he doesn't perform. Can't afford to waste the roster spot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;924169]Happens less often than people believe and why if he only occasionally breaks free for a long gain or TD now do you think he'll go somewhere else and make Devin Hester look like his bitch?[/quote]

Maybe because Banks has potential. Maybe on special teams, a different special teams coach will come up with a blocking scheme that will allow Banks to run for longer gains on punts and kickoffs. Or maybe good fortune may play in Banks favor if the Redskins release and he goes elsewhere and performs better. But I hope Banks remains a Redskin.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924209]Maybe because Banks has potential. Maybe on special teams, a different special teams coach will come up with a blocking scheme that will allow Banks to run for longer gains on punts and kickoffs. Or maybe good fortune may play in Banks favor if the Redskins release and he goes elsewhere and performs better. But I hope Banks remains a Redskin.[/quote]

Or maybe Banks, fast but not elusive, just isn't that good.

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A great returner doesn't need any special blocking scheme. Hester's returns are mostly his doing.

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[quote=Lotus;924219]Or maybe Banks, fast but not elusive, just isn't that good.[/quote]

Alright Mr. Buzz Killington, tone it down a notch. :D

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Banks should watch this.....

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuCMb9FYyDA&feature=related]Devin Hester All 19 returns through 11-14-2011 - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;924219]Or maybe Banks, fast but not elusive, just isn't that good.[/quote]

Banks does have talent. An undrafted NFL player doesn't make a roster without having some talent.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924350]Banks does have talent. An undrafted NFL player doesn't make a roster without having some talent.[/quote]

I didn't say he didn't have talent. I said he wasn't that good. There's a difference.

Every year many players with talent enter the NFL, find that they cannot compete in the NFL at a high level, and then either ride the bench or get cut. Banks appears to be one of these players.

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Roster spots are just too valuable to have returners that do nothing else. I've always preferred to have kick returning/punt returning duties be assigned to someone that does something else primarily. Your 2nd tier wideouts and db's should be returning kicks.

I'd rather have his roster spot be occupied by an undrafted offensive lineman project.

I also dont believe in the designated long snapper position. If a starting center cant snap the ball 10 yards consistently, he shouldnt be the starting center.

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[quote=Lotus;924358]I didn't say he didn't have talent. I said he wasn't that good. There's a difference.

Every year many players with talent enter the NFL, find that they cannot compete in the NFL at a high level, and then either ride the bench or get cut. Banks appears to be one of these players.[/quote]

Look at how small the man is. He's a tiny player and not your typical sizable wide receiver. He's made the Redskins roster for 2 straight years because of his speed. With punt returning, I'm not sure why he doesn't have what Mike Nelms had, or what Brian Mitchell had. Both of those men were excellent kickoff/punt returners for us when they played. Banks has speed yet it's not good enough to allow him to break through kick coverage or make him a respected dangerous return man. Maybe what he's lacking is vision to see the whole field once he fields the ball.

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I have no clue what your stance is on him. You seem to fluctuate

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I haven't contradicted myself in saying anything about Banks. I've been saying the same thing about him all along. Many people here don't think much of him as a return man but I do. Maybe I'm the only one here that thinks highly of him.

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So you think maybe he lacks the vision to be a great returner but if we let him go he'll undoubtedly be amazing somewhere else...just because that's our luck? Is that it?

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Over the years with the Redskins team regardless who the coach was or what era it was, since the end of the first Joe Gibbs era, players have been drafted or either signed by the Redskins front office and lasted a few years and then they are waived only to be picked up by other teams. Before you know it, those players end up with Super Bowl rings or at least Super Bowl appearances. Essentially what I'm suggesting is it's happened so often that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brandon Banks is cut and then is picked up by one of the other 31 NFL teams and flourishes into one of the best return men in the NFL.

Case in point the most recent Redskin to benefit from no longer being a Redskin was Devin Thomas, who everybody in Redskins Nation don't think is that good. If Mike Shanahan wasn't that much of a micro managing head coach and overlooked what Thomas was doing, he might have still been on the Redskins roster and never earned a Super Bowl ring with the NYG. The fact of the matter is being released and picked up by other teams and then moving on to do better elsewhere has happened with former Redskins players more than it should have.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924529]Over the years with the Redskins team regardless who the coach was or what era it was, since the end of the first Joe Gibbs era, players have been drafted or either signed by the Redskins front office and lasted a few years and then they are waived only to be picked up by other teams. Before you know it, those players end up with Super Bowl rings or at least Super Bowl appearances. Essentially what I'm suggesting is it's happened so often that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brandon Banks is cut and then is picked up by one of the other 31 NFL teams and flourishes into one of the best return men in the NFL.

Case in point the most recent Redskin to benefit from no longer being a Redskin was Devin Thomas, who everybody in Redskins Nation don't think is that good. If Mike Shanahan wasn't that much of a micro managing head coach and overlooked what Thomas was doing, he might have still been on the Redskins roster and never earned a Super Bowl ring with the NYG. The fact of the matter is being released and picked up by other teams and then moving on to do better elsewhere has happened with former Redskins players more than it should have.[/quote]

And what I would suggest is more often than not players don't succeed after leaving here, it's just we remember the ones who do

And Devin Thomas getting a ring was just dumb luck. Not a product of him being so great. We don't miss Devin Thomas...do we?

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;924529]Over the years with the Redskins team regardless who the coach was or what era it was, since the end of the first Joe Gibbs era, players have been drafted or either signed by the Redskins front office and lasted a few years and then they are waived only to be picked up by other teams. Before you know it, those players end up with Super Bowl rings or at least Super Bowl appearances. Essentially what I'm suggesting is it's happened so often that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brandon Banks is cut and then is picked up by one of the other 31 NFL teams and flourishes into one of the best return men in the NFL.

Case in point the most recent Redskin to benefit from no longer being a Redskin was Devin Thomas, who everybody in Redskins Nation don't think is that good. If Mike Shanahan wasn't that much of a micro managing head coach and overlooked what Thomas was doing, he might have still been on the Redskins roster and never earned a Super Bowl ring with the NYG. The fact of the matter is being released and picked up by other teams and then moving on to do better elsewhere has happened with former Redskins players more than it should have.[/QUOTE]

Banks is a better return man than Thomas right? Well thats y he was cut because he's a horrible WR, he won a ring doing pretty much nothing with the giants

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[quote=SmootSmack;924530]And what I would suggest is more often than not players don't succeed after leaving here, it's just we remember the ones who do

And Devin Thomas getting a ring was just dumb luck. Not a product of him being so great. We don't miss Devin Thomas...do we?[/quote]

Of a surety I don't miss seeing Devin Thomas in a Redskins uniform at all. Yes, the Giants playoff run through Green Bay and San Francisco was a fluke that never should have happened.

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I don't miss Devin Thomas. The guy still can't run a route. The Giants can have him and the tiny role that he plays on their team. He's still a waste of roster space.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924534]Of a surety I don't miss seeing Devin Thomas in a Redskins uniform at all. Yes, the Giants playoff run through Green Bay and San Francisco was a fluke that never should have happened.[/quote]

So what's your argument here? You claim that if we cut Banks he will move on to tear it up with another team. As evidence for this claim, you cite...Devin Thomas? And then you say you don't miss Thomas?

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[quote=Lotus;924536]I don't miss Devin Thomas. The guy still can't run a route. The Giants can have him and the tiny role that he plays on their team. He's still a waste of roster space.[/quote]

He is a waste of a roster space for the Bears now if I'm not mistaken.

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[quote=mbedner3420;924538]He is a waste of a roster space for the Bears now if I'm not mistaken.[/quote]

You are correct, good catch.

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If your argument for post-Redskins success is Devin Thomas, you are setting the bar tremendously low.

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This thread...

wtf

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924529]Over the years with the Redskins team regardless who the coach was or what era it was, since the end of the first Joe Gibbs era, players have been drafted or either signed by the Redskins front office and lasted a few years and then they are waived only to be picked up by other teams. Before you know it, those players end up with Super Bowl rings or at least Super Bowl appearances. Essentially what I'm suggesting is it's happened so often that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brandon Banks is cut and then is picked up by one of the other 31 NFL teams and flourishes into one of the best return men in the NFL.

Case in point the most recent Redskin to benefit from no longer being a Redskin was Devin Thomas, who everybody in Redskins Nation don't think is that good. If Mike Shanahan wasn't that much of a micro managing head coach and overlooked what Thomas was doing, he might have still been on the Redskins roster and never earned a Super Bowl ring with the NYG. The fact of the matter is being released and picked up by other teams and then moving on to do better elsewhere has happened with former Redskins players more than it should have.[/quote]

Desmond Howard would be a lot better example than Devin Thomas,but Shanahan didnt cut Howard so we cant blame him for that :)

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Mike Shanahan just told me I need to learn how to hyper-classify Chesterfield oysters.

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[quote=Lotus;924537]So what's your argument here? You claim that if we cut Banks he will move on to tear it up with another team. As evidence for this claim, you cite...Devin Thomas? And then you say you don't miss Thomas?[/quote]

No, I don't miss Thomas. What did he ever do while he was in Washington? He only had one productive game for the Redskins, catching 6 passes for 101 yards in a 2009 game against New Orleans. I mentioned Thomas because he was the last Redskin to be waived only to end up on a Super Bowl team. If the Redskins give up on Banks, whose to say Banks won't become a dangerous return man with another NFL team or win a Super Bowl ring with another team?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;924548]Mike Shanahan just told me I need to learn how to hyper-classify Chesterfield oysters.[/quote]

I needed that this morning, thanks Alvin!! I can always count on you:)

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924529]Over the years with the Redskins team regardless who the coach was or what era it was, since the end of the first Joe Gibbs era, players have been drafted or either signed by the Redskins front office and lasted a few years and then they are waived only to be picked up by other teams. Before you know it, those players end up with Super Bowl rings or at least Super Bowl appearances. Essentially what I'm suggesting is it's happened so often that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brandon Banks is cut and then is picked up by one of the other 31 NFL teams and flourishes into one of the best return men in the NFL.

Case in point the most recent Redskin to benefit from no longer being a Redskin was Devin Thomas, who everybody in Redskins Nation don't think is that good. If Mike Shanahan wasn't that much of a micro managing head coach and overlooked what Thomas was doing, he might have still been on the Redskins roster and never earned a Super Bowl ring with the NYG. The fact of the matter is being released and picked up by other teams and then moving on to do better elsewhere has happened with former Redskins players more than it should have.[/quote]
Name former skins who have played a significant role in the success of their following teams not named Antonio Pierce

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[quote=tryfuhl;924681]Name former skins who have played a significant role in the success of their following teams not named Antonio Pierce[/quote]

Ryan Clark, champ bailey just off the top of my head.

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[quote=mbedner3420;924689]Ryan Clark, champ bailey just off the top of my head.[/quote]

Brad Johnson, Carlos Rogers, Brandon Lloyd, Trent Greene, Stephen Davis.......

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[quote=tryfuhl;924681]Name former skins who have played a significant role in the success of their following teams not named Antonio Pierce[/quote]

Antonio Pierce- Won Super Bowl XLII with the Giants

Andre Carter- went to Super Bowl XLVI with the Patriots

Desmond Howard- Won Super Bowl XXXI with the Packers

Carlos Rogers- Went to NFC Championship as a 49er a year after left the Redskins

Devin Thomas- Won Super Bowl XLVI with the Giants

Mark Schlereth- Won Supers Bowls XXXII and XXXIII with the Broncos

Stephen Davis- went to Super Bowl XXXVIII with the Panthers

Shaun Suisam- now on a winning Pittsburgh Steelers team

Ladell Betts- reached playoffs with Saints a year after he left the Redskins

Mark Brunell- Won Super Bowl XLIV with Saints

Ryan Clark- Won Super Bowl XLV with Pittsburgh Steelers

Todd Collins- reached NFC Championship game with the Chicago Bears

Terry Crews- former Redskins defensive end now a successful movie actor

Rich Gannon - guided Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII

Brad Johnson- won Super Bowl XXXVII with Buccaneers

Pierson Prioleau- won Super Bowl XLIV with the Saints

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One could undoubtedly come up with a list like that for every team in the league.

What does being a successful movie actor have to do with this discussion??

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924529]Over the years with the Redskins team regardless who the coach was or what era it was, since the end of the first Joe Gibbs era, players have been drafted or either signed by the Redskins front office and lasted a few years and then they are waived only to be picked up by other teams. Before you know it, those players end up with Super Bowl rings or at least Super Bowl appearances. Essentially what I'm suggesting is it's happened so often that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brandon Banks is cut and then is picked up by one of the other 31 NFL teams and flourishes into one of the best return men in the NFL.

Case in point the most recent Redskin to benefit from no longer being a Redskin was Devin Thomas, who everybody in Redskins Nation don't think is that good. If Mike Shanahan wasn't that much of a micro managing head coach and overlooked what Thomas was doing, he might have still been on the Redskins roster and never earned a Super Bowl ring with the NYG. The fact of the matter is being released and picked up by other teams and then moving on to do better elsewhere has happened with former Redskins players more than it should have.[/quote]

Im confused as to what your solution is? Keep all bad players so we make sure they dont go to a successful team as a back up and get a ring? Shouldnt the goal be to get rid of the bad players so the skins can eventually be a good team?

If Brandon Banks goes to another team and succeeds, it will be because he got onto a much better special teams unit. Not because he suddenly became a great returner. He has speed, but thats it. Brandon Banks may be the only guy in the NFL that gets tackled by a blown kiss from the sidelines. He doesnt make many cutbacks, he doesnt make many miss, he just hits open holes with speed (granted it is world class speed). And if those holes arent open, he turns into Randle-el and runs for 50 yards sideline to sideline and loses 5 yards on the return. I would rather he just used his brain and fair caught a lot of those.

If our special teams can not open up large holes, Brandon Banks becomes useless to the skins. I would much rather the skins go after useful players rather than keeping useless ones based on the assumption that he will win a ring elsewhere. As if we are somehow personally responsible for keeping terrible players with the ultimate purpose of keeping them from winning in the NFL (which seems what you are suggesting with Devon Thomas. Keep him and stay a horrible team, but at least he wont ever win... Vinny... is that you?).