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[quote=SmootSmack;926854]I don't get the impression the majority of posters here are fans of Kyle. Or maybe it's that those that are are more quiet[/quote]

I like Kyle quite a bit actually. I think he is a pretty good coordinator, but has never had the quality pieces to run the offense.

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I didn't think that Kyle did such a hot job last year. Granted, his toys were of poor quality. Nonetheless I didn't feel like he got the most out of those toys. I still don't understand why we were among the league leaders in pass attempts (and this includes the first quarter, negating the playing-from-behind argument) when we had Wrecks/Beck slinging the ball and two young studs with fresh legs who could have carried it more.

But Kyle has shown that he can create a high octane offense when he has high quality toys. Therefore I expect a more robust showing from him this year.

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[quote=mbedner3420;926857]I like Kyle quite a bit actually. I think he is a pretty good coordinator, but has never had the quality pieces to run the offense.[/quote]

Pretty much how I feel. Not sure why Skins fans expected from him considering the absolute trash he's had to work with. It's generally the case of fans overvaluing the players on the team.

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A cool story from training camp yesterday. Kudos to Danny and the team for making this happen.

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2012/07/26/army-sons-wish-granted-by-redskins/]The Redskins Blog | Army Son’s Wish Granted By Redskins[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;926862]A cool story from training camp yesterday. Kudos to Danny and the team for making this happen.

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2012/07/26/army-sons-wish-granted-by-redskins/]The Redskins Blog | Army Son’s Wish Granted By Redskins[/url][/quote]

Kudos indeed. I may even have to forgive him for this:



[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1256185/207248_melt_medium.jpg[/IMG]


:laughing-



Seriously, a great thing the Redskins did here. Enjoy seeing stuff like this.

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We're apparently looking at Cedric Benson or Ryan Grant.

[url]https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/228618626180202497[/url]


Hightower is gimpy at TC already.

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Not into reading posts anymore, are you?

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WTF is up with Training Camp today? any updates? what it do

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[quote=NC_Skins;926860]Pretty much how I feel. Not sure why Skins fans expected from him considering the absolute trash he's had to work with. It's generally the case of fans overvaluing the players on the team.[/quote]

No issues with Kyle, but the Jammal situation its almost like they are begging to be criticized for not doing more. Tackle for rookie franchise QB, its a head scratcher.

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[quote=Chico23231;926887]WTF is up with Training Camp today? any updates? what it do[/quote]

Practice is in the afternoon.

Yesterday's practice...it was hot.


[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2012/07/27/apparently-the-first-practice-was-hot/"]The Redskins Blog | Apparently The First Practice Was Hot[/URL]


Funny how RGIII didn't mind the heat while his teammates are all mentioning it. Nothing compared to Texas.

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Very disappointing news about Brown. This is the time where he should be 100% healthy. I'm getting the feeling that it's time to move on. Let's this be a lesson for the FO. NEVER trade for a guy coming off an injury that didn't play the year before.

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When will the era of The Hogs II ever happen?
That would give me such an organism.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;926930]When will the era of The Hogs II ever happen?
[B]That would give me such an organism.[/B][/quote]


Why; I swear AW is Firstdown also.

Which organism were you think of?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;926930]When will the era of The Hogs II ever happen?
That would give me such an organism.[/quote]

Amazing typo

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[quote=SmootSmack;926854]I don't get the impression the majority of posters here are fans of Kyle. Or maybe it's that those that are are more quiet[/quote]I get the opposite vibe.
*(Maybe in this forum the responses are a backlash against GTripp vocal dislike?)

I feel like most objective evaluations or criticisms of Kyle's offense are met with knee jerk (and often over the top) defenses or rationaliztions.

The main argument centers on the lack of talent.

For example (and forgive me for re-hashing (man I miss college, I would love to re-hash...I digress..)) but the 1st of Kyle's offense was actually worse then Zorn's last year in every meaningful offensive category.
Yet the very mention of the actual metrics, even without an actual good/bad value judgement, was met with scorn.

None the less..
I think Kyle has some great concepts in the passing game.
However; his overall lack of balance pass vs run concerns me.
But I hope/suspect (that even without Kyle becoming more balanced) Griffin and Co. (Garcon, Hankerson etc) are the tools Kyle needs to execute his pass first offense.

[quote=Lotus;926859]I didn't think that Kyle did such a hot job last year. Granted, his toys were of poor quality. Nonetheless I didn't feel like he got the most out of those toys. I still don't understand why we were among the league leaders in pass attempts (and this includes the first quarter, negating the playing-from-behind argument) when we had Wrecks/Beck slinging the ball and two young studs with fresh legs who could have carried it more.

But Kyle has shown that he can create a high octane offense when he has high quality toys. Therefore I expect a more robust showing from him this year.[/quote]+1

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Based on the opinions of people that know more than me: Kyle is really good at being a coordinator and schemes. Based on my lowly opinion. He is not a great play caller.

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Kyle has developed the talent and implemented a system for several years, excuses are done. This year its time to shut up and put up some numbers.

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^ I don't think you'll have many that will argue with you. If RG3 develops like everyone hopes he will, Kyle should do just fine.

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Breaking News: Dezmon Briscoe to the Redskins

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[quote=SmootSmack;926956]Breaking News: Dezmon Briscoe to the Redskins[/quote]

BA, bringing his tampa guys over.

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[quote=SmootSmack;926956]Breaking News: Dezmon Briscoe to the Redskins[/quote]

Had a feeling this might happen when he got cut yesterday

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[quote=Chico23231;926947]Kyle has developed the talent and implemented a system for several years, excuses are done. This year its time to shut up and put up some numbers.[/quote]

Let's not forget that at the most important position we have a rookie that didn't play in a pro system. All rookie QB's struggle. Even some of the great ones...Troy Aikman and John Elway had terrible rookie seasons. I expect RG3 to do the same. Especially early.

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[quote=skinsfan69;926960]Let's not forget that at the most important position we have a rookie that didn't play in a pro system. [B]All rookie QB's struggle.[/B] Even some of the great ones...Troy Aikman and John Elway had terrible rookie seasons. I expect RG3 to do the same. Especially early.[/quote]

Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco beg to differ.. Just because he's a rookie doesn't automatically equal struggles. Sure he will have rookie moments but him playing like a middle tier NFL QB isn't out of the realm of possibility. Just don't expect him to be a top 12 QB right away and you won't be disappointed.

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Rookie QBs are much more pro ready than they were back in Elway and Aikman's day. RG3 isn't going to struggle in the same way they did.

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[quote=skinsfan69;926960]Let's not forget that at the most important position we have a rookie that didn't play in a pro system. All rookie QB's struggle. Even some of the great ones...Troy Aikman and John Elway had terrible rookie seasons. I expect RG3 to do the same. Especially early.[/quote]Even though Griff is a rookie QB I don't expect him to struggle the way you suggest.
Times have changed and recent success of rookie QB has been more the rule then the exception.
Mike Shanahan has spoken of putting the pieces around a QB to have success.
Obviously he feels the current team had the blocks to support that success.
If Griffin struggles then something is wrong, and I don't neccesarily mean with him.

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Alright guys I'm being completely honest here.. Does anyone else find Shanahan is starting to go senile? The guy answering questions at the press conference today was not the Mike Shanahan I know.

Anyways, I like the Briscoe claim.

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[quote=IrMitchell;926989]Alright guys I'm being completely honest here.. Does anyone else find Shanahan is starting to go senile? The guy answering questions at the press conference today was not the Mike Shanahan I know.

Anyways, I like the Briscoe claim.[/quote]

How do you figure, sports fan?

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[quote=mbedner3420;926990]How do you figure, sports fan?[/quote]
What does being a sports fan have to do with it? I think the guy is starting to lose it, it's as simple as that.

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[quote=IrMitchell;926991]What does being a sports fan have to do with it? I think the guy is starting to lose it, it's as simple as that.[/quote]

Hahaha sorry wasn't trying to be a jackass. That was a direct quote from a tv show.

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[quote=IrMitchell;926989]Alright guys I'm being completely honest here.. Does anyone else find Shanahan is starting to go senile? The guy answering questions at the press conference today was not the Mike Shanahan I know.

Anyways, I like the Briscoe claim.[/quote]

You actually watch Shanny's pressers? Wow. That takes dedication, especially when you know the answer to every question before he says it.

As far as your question goes, I have no idea if he's senile or not. Does he still answer every question in coach-speak? If so, doubtful. Business as usual.

Or, if every question-answer exchange goes likes this, maybe you are onto something.

Reporter: Mike, what should we expect to see out of RG3 in the preseason?

Shanny: Huh? I told those kids if they didn't stay off my lawn I'm gonna raise cain.

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[quote=mooby;927000]You actually watch Shanny's pressers? Wow. That takes dedication, especially when you know the answer to every question before he says it.

As far as your question goes, I have no idea if he's senile or not. Does he still answer every question in coach-speak? If so, doubtful. Business as usual.

Or, if every question-answer exchange goes likes this, maybe you are onto something.

Reporter: Mike, what should we expect to see out of RG3 in the preseason?

Shanny: Huh? I told those kids if they didn't stay off my lawn I'm gonna raise cain.[/quote]

To be fair they post them on the skins site. I'll watch them from time to time when I'm bored at work. Nothing wrong with that. They'll also play them every now and then in the place of the Larry michael show on CSN.

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[quote=mooby;927000]You actually watch Shanny's pressers? Wow. That takes dedication, especially when you know the answer to every question before he says it.

As far as your question goes, I have no idea if he's senile or not. Does he still answer every question in coach-speak? If so, doubtful. Business as usual.

Or, if every question-answer exchange goes likes this, maybe you are onto something.

Reporter: Mike, what should we expect to see out of RG3 in the preseason?

Shanny: Huh? I told those kids if they didn't stay off my lawn I'm gonna raise cain.[/quote]
Part of my daily routine at work is watching the latest on the Redskins website.. I live in Canada so I can't just turn on the tv at night to get the latest.

All I'm saying is he isn't the guy I'm used to seeing speak. He looks beat, he's less interested and the clever jokes are gone.

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So has anyone gone to TC yet? I was at Training camp last year and Shanahan held 11 on 11 he held it at the furthest field away from the fans and we, the fans, couldn't see anything. Has it changed? Is it on the closer field? Can you see a lot of RG3 throwing and running or is that on the opposite field?

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-practice-report-july-27/article/2503407]Redskins Practice Report: July 27 | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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I get the chance to attend training camp for the 1st time in my life. I'll be sure to take many pictures and record many videos! ....I'll try not to just watch RG3 lol

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rg3-report/article/2503391]RG3 Report | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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[quote=IrMitchell;927007]Part of my daily routine at work is watching the latest on the Redskins website.. I live in Canada so I can't just turn on the tv at night to get the latest.

All I'm saying is he isn't the guy I'm used to seeing speak. He looks beat, he's less interested and the clever jokes are gone.[/quote]

Oh. Well maybe he's working long hours trying to get this team ready for the season. Either way I doubt he'd leave during the season.

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[quote=IrMitchell;927007]Part of my daily routine at work is watching the latest on the Redskins website.. I live in Canada so I can't just turn on the tv at night to get the latest.

All I'm saying is he isn't the guy I'm used to seeing speak. He looks beat, he's less interested and the clever jokes are gone.[/quote]

I didn't watch his presser from day 1, but yesterday he seemed fairly lively and upbeat, joking around towards the end

[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Mike-Shanahan-7-27/426d38d1-ac1c-406f-a6fd-4787abbbac9a]Mike Shanahan: 7-27[/url]

I've never found him to be the most interesting of interviews to begin with.

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So now that Mike Sellers is retiring, I would not be surprised to see him as an analyst, maybe on Comcast Sports

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With Jammal Brown again having hip problems, that should open tremendous competition at right tackle. Tyler Polumbus might get the starting job.