[QUOTE=NC_Skins;944131]I think this type of defense is very dependent upon getting pressure up front. If you don't get pressure up front, you are going to be F'd.


If you look back at the Patriots when they were winning Super Bowls, you noticed their defense was incredible at the point of attack and LBs. It's a main reason why BB hasn't paid huge money to DBs, and a big reason why he let Asante Samuel walk. Vrabel, Seymour, Bruschi, McGinest, Coolvin, Johnson have all been beasts. The only DB to note on those squads is Ty Law, and Harrison was at the end of his career. I've always thought AS was overrated even back in NE. He jumped routes all the time and capitalized.


Right now, we simply aren't getting the pressure we need to up front and it shows.[/QUOTE]

Lawyer milloy

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It was crazy to think that the secondary put together in the offseason could be anything other than terrible. I love RG3 but the fact that we can't pick up a top corner or Tackle the next two years in the first round hurts. The NFL cap penalty also is really going to hurt us in picking up quality vets to fix this problem... Eff Goodell and Mara.

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[quote=tc2deuce;943957][I][I][B]explain to me why we dug up a retired tackle to backup Trent Williams!?
2 areas (o-line and secondary) in which we needed help last season and still failed to address it!![/B][/I][/I]
why is the medical staff still employed?
Fire Haslett and let Morris run the Defense![/quote]

Because 12 hours before free agency started, we were hit with a 35 million dollar salary cap penalty.

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Can we please establish the bootleg game, move the pocket or something other than run the shit out of our QB we spent 3 first round picks on? Just saying

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Teams can't wait to play us... 9 route all day!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;944137]I can see that to a certain extent. Who do you think is the weak link? I only ask because we had a ton of sacks last year with essentially the same group.[/quote]


I personally think it's scheme to be honest with you. In 16 years of coaching, Haz has never coached a top 10 defense if I'm correct. (correction: he's had 1 year out of the 16 that his defense was in top 10) To be fair to Haslett though, it's been 11 years since he's ran the 3-4 in Pittsburgh. He's mostly ran the 4-3 the past decade. It probably is a huge reason why Haslett wasn't Shanny's first choice as DC. I would like to see our DL get more of a push up the middle though, but I understand those guys don't have the size that Haloti Ngata does, but it would be nice. Now, I definitely think we could upgrade at MLB, and I would rather see another versatile OLB instead of Orakpo to be honest with you.


Pittsburgh had the #2 rated defense in the league the year prior to Jim Haslett taking over. The following year, they dropped to #6, then to #12 in 1998, and finally to #11 his final year in 1999.

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;944146]Teams can't wait to play us... 9 route all day![/QUOTE]

Agree.....

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[quote=NC_Skins;944147]I personally think it's scheme to be honest with you. In 16 years of coaching, Haz has never coached a top 10 defense if I'm correct. (correction: he's had 1 year out of the 16 that his defense was in top 10) To be fair to Haslett though, it's been 11 years since he's ran the 3-4 in Pittsburgh. He's mostly ran the 4-3 the past decade. It probably is a huge reason why Haslett wasn't Shanny's first choice as DC. I would like to see our DL get more of a push up the middle though, but I understand those guys don't have the size that Haloti Ngata does, but it would be nice. Now, I definitely think we could upgrade at MLB, and I would rather see another versatile OLB instead of Orakpo to be honest with you.


Pittsburgh had the #2 rated defense in the league the year prior to Jim Haslett taking over. The following year, they dropped to #6, then to #12 in 1998, and finally to #11 his final year in 1999.[/quote]

I think I agree. The only reason I have any pause is because I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's getting harder and harder. I mean when GW was here, we had Rogers/Hall/etc. and we'd all talk about Hall getting his ass beaten like a drum. I truly don't feel like that's happening as much this scheme is getting beaten. I mean last week, there were receivers running free. This week, the coverage was good, just bad play calls in my opinion.

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how long until we see a "lights-out" try out? Andre Carter round 2? Bring back Kevin Barnes?

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[quote=skinsnut;944071]If you recall, this defense was around 30th the year before...weve got serious problems with not much hope on defense unless something significant changes, such as scheme, coaching, or talent...and that is hard to change midseason...but in yr 3, we should be holding teams under 20 pts easy...if we did, wed be undefeated. I feel bad for RG3 and all skins fans[/quote]

If we held opponents under [B]30[/B] points we'd be undefeated. Not gonna happen. This is by far the worst secondary in the league, and the worst the Redskins defense have looked, maybe ever.

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[quote=Mechanix544;943947]need to find a replacement for jim haslett. guy blows goats, can't gameplan for a pee wee league team.[/quote]

I bet he misses Spanos more than he would admit. Can't stand coverage woes between player mistakes and improper scheme.

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Neither Kevin Barnes nor Andre Carter are going to fix this.

Truly, Jackson and Wilson played a damn good game today. We got burned on a gimmick play and then had either a questionable scheme or shitty tackling the other plays.

I like Haslett's aggressiveness on first down, but after he gets a successful play, he wants to keep at it and it's been apparent over the past few years that he should be a little more conservative when the offense has a third and long situation.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;944125]Just in case anyone is wondering [B]Alfred Morris[/B] is [B]on pace for 1,400 yards this year[/B]. Obviously theres ups and downs and players get tired as the season goes on especially rookies who are use to shorter college season but it's still [B]worth noting[/B].[/quote]
YES....it is! This kid is the real deal. What a find in the 6th......

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[quote=Dirtbag59;943956]DeAneglo Hall is making $6 million right now with a $600k release fee. I say we start there this offseason.[/quote]

I see people are finally realizing what I said from the beginning when they signed him instead of extending Rogers. Thanks Vinny!

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To be honest we just don't have the players to fit the scheme or vice versa. Both Kerrigan and Orakpo were drafted as DEs, not LBs. Both have made the adjustment rather well, but I would love to see both of them as DEs again and acting like a giant pincer to nail opposing QBs. One less linemen puts more pressure on the LBs to be able to plug the gaps for the run or defend short to medium routes on passing. Our best true LB is on the verge of retirement Add to that our secondary is full of no names, plus the loud mouth Hall, and you will get lit up. If Haslett and co wanted to institute the 3-4 the organization should have drafted and acquired players that actually played in the system at the college level. I know the options are limited as very few big college Div1A programs run the 3-4, but that fact should have made Haslett think twice about switching in the first place.

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[quote=punch it in;944095]Eff landry.[/quote]

He had an interception for a TD today, **** him anyways!

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Secondary problems will not be fixed for a year or two. You have to draft at least 2 DBs this draft and if we have the money to blow get a younger FA CB or S. Outside of Hall, we have nobody that is really of starting caliber. The only secondary that I have seen in the past couple seasons as bad as ours is the Lion's secondary, which is consists of a bunch of chumps. A switch to the 4-3 would be advised, but I think Haslett will be shown the door if the 2012 campaign is a bummer.

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[quote=punch it in;944072]Yes but even with orakpo and kerrigan our d is sooo much worse than last year. I mean landry never played and atogwe stunk. Why is the d so terrible?[/quote]

Teams would score 21 points and shut it down knowing it would take a miracle for us to score in the twenties. Probably disguised issues with the Defense.

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Number 1 scoring offense in the NFL = 1-2. Doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE=44Deezel;944175]Teams would score 21 points and shut it down knowing it would take a miracle for us to score in the twenties. Probably disguised issues with the Defense.[/QUOTE]

Yes and this year teams know we can score( obviously what are we at 30 ppg?) So now teams just keep airing it out

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944170]He had an interception for a TD today, **** him anyways![/quote]

Looks like Revis might be out for a period of time. Let's see how he performs now that he'll have to worry about playing that half of the field.

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I don't understand the Landry love. Who cares about him? We don't have him now? Why don't we bring back Carlos Rogers and Brandon Lloyd then. Can we trade back for Champ Bailey? Hell maybe we can get Antonio Piece out of retirement. All of these guys flourished with other teams after being with the Skins. There's no point in crying over spilled milk now. It's all about making the best out of what we have.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;944176]Number 1 scoring offense in the NFL = 1-2. Doesn't make sense.[/quote]

Good news is that was a lot like GB and Indy when they got their franchise QBs. I hope we can fix it next year or at least adjust this year.

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Today's game was a perfect example of "game of inches"

- We didn't go for it on 4th down and Short (I agree with)
- We missed downing it on the 1 yard line by less then a foot
- We missed the on side kick by less then a foot
- Fletcher missed two INT's by half a hand

Some games, these things will go our way and we can turn out the winner..

I'm still not putting all the blame on Haslett. It's easy to point fingers at a guy who is in charge, but here is what I saw...

-Haslett didn't call the secondary up on the wildcat touchdown. London Fletcher did.

-Haslett didn't get burned by AJ Green by 8-10 yards on a straight go route, Gomes did.

-Haslett didn't take a bad angle and miss the tackle that resulted in a touchdown, Josh Wilson did.

-Haslett didn't bite on the play fake and have his eyes caught in the backfield, and Haslett didn't get beat on the post route for the TD. Crawford and Gomes did.

-Haslett didn't hold the WR facemask and still get beat for 20+ yards, and get the PF call. Hall did..

You guys are putting the blame on the wrong people. Haslett isn't perfect, but he's putting his players in positions to make plays. We are crippled with injuries right now, so people have to step up and make plays. We are not making enough.

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A huge mistake was made by cutting Willie Smith, he's better than Polumbus and Black and is now starting for the Raiders (due to injury) and actually looked better today. This is what I would do starting today:

Demote Haslett and promote Morris as DC
Cut Hall I'm sick and tired of this clown, Barnes or Westbrook could play better or equal to this POS.

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Our MLBs don't excel in pass coverage.

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Why you hate on Hall so much? If anything, he's been pretty good this year.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;944179]I don't understand the Landry love. Who cares about him? We don't have him now? Why don't we bring back Carlos Rogers and Brandon Lloyd then. Can we trade back for Champ Bailey? Hell maybe we can get Antonio Piece out of retirement. All of these guys flourished with other teams after being with the Skins. There's no point in crying over spilled milk now. It's all about making the best out of what we have.[/QUOTE]

Thank you!!!!!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;944184]Why you hate on Hall so much? If anything, he's been pretty good this year.[/quote]

Did you see today's game? Can you say toast.

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[quote=Evilgrin;944183]Our MLBs don't excel in pass coverage.[/quote]

none of our players excel in pass coverage.

(or even know the definition.)

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;944182]A huge mistake was made by cutting Willie Smith, he's better than Polumbus and Black and is now starting for the Raiders (due to injury) and actually looked better today. This is what I would do starting today:

Demote Haslett and promote Morris as DC
Cut Hall I'm sick and tired of this clown, Barnes or Westbrook could play better or equal to this POS.[/QUOTE]

Sf your my boy but hall is better than anyone we have, he's annoying yes but he's our number 1 for a reason... Now that's not a great thing But still

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944187]Did you see today's game? Can you say toast.[/quote]

He was good in coverage today. He didn't get burned on the AJ Green touchdown today, that was Gomes..

Do you watch the game, or just come here to bash the same people every week?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944187]Did you see today's game? Can you say toast.[/quote]

Which plays? I only remember one really. Not only that, what plays before this game? I am not a huge Hall fan, but this year he hasn't been the problem.

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Lol, it's not scheme it's poor tackling, bad angles, just all around bad play. We struggle on passing downs, teams victimize whatever LB we have on a WR.

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Kyle is going to get RG3 killed if he keeps exposing him to hits like today. The kid is amazingly tough and composed, but he won't last the season at this hit rate.

For a positive - Rob Jackson more than held his own today.

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I'm so glad fans are fans, and coaches are coaches lol. I couldn't imagine if some of these chatty cathy's were head coaches.

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[quote=SouperMeister;944194]Kyle is going to get RG3 killed if he keeps exposing him to hits like today. The kid is amazingly tough and composed, but he won't last the season at this hit rate.

For a positive - Rob Jackson more than held his own today.[/quote]

Agree, less running the ball for RG3. you still have to do it a couple times for show, but he is getting killed enough behind our shitty built Oline.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944182][B]A huge mistake was made by cutting Willie Smith, he's better than Polumbus and Black and is now starting for the Raiders (due to injury) and actually looked better today[/B]. This is what I would do starting today:

Demote Haslett and promote Morris as DC
Cut Hall I'm sick and tired of this clown, Barnes or Westbrook could play better or equal to this POS.[/quote]Totally agree on Smith. We was a very serviceable backup when Trent was suspended last year. We held one WR too many where Smith was a more valuable commodity as a backup LT.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;944096]**** Landry, Carlos let himself go and RIP Mr. Taylor

All that said, I said before and I'll say again that I'd rather they had gone all out to get Carr from KC this off-season rather than Morgan, even Winston. I think you mask poor OL play much easier than you can mask poor DB play[/QUOTE]

We're not masking it well right now. You can't with polumbus and black. Trent's injury is unfortunate but being this unprepared for it is not.

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Some people are in denial, tell me what has Hall done? He is a below average shit talker who can't backup anything. Wilson is a better CB than Hall and that isn't saying much.