I really can see a cardinals collapse coming soon.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;946397]Yes I just want a damn win! Most are picking Tampa to win so maybe that's a good thing for us[/QUOTE]
Two and two with atlanta coming to town.

Cards have been on fire dating back to like week ten of last year. I loooove wisenhunt(spelling?)

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[quote=punch it in;946377]Im not trying to drive shanny out of town but his record is what it is. Wins and losses are all that matter. I hope that rg3 is the start of good things i hope we win 10 games this year and next year challenge for bigger things But lets just say he wins five this year and oh six next year? Than is it ok to debate how good he is? I mean at what point do things have to translate to w's. Other teams have turned things around a hell of alot faster.[/quote]


What other teams are these you speak of? What was the talent level with that particular coach compared to what our coach inherited. Please get back with specifics. Thanks.

[QUOTE=punch it in;946399]Two and two with atlanta coming to town.[/QUOTE]

I hope Atlanta is 4-0 that game . They are bound to lose eventually

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[quote=Skinzman;946388]I can see reading comprehension in this thread has gone out the window...

Mooby and Gary84clark... Please pay attention to the /Sarcasm at the end of my post next time when claiming that I called Gabbert a Stud QB...[/quote]

Oops in apologize, multi-tasking.

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Rex Ryan is going senile if he thinks Revis could remotely be back by Super Bowl with a ACL tear. (not that they are even going to make the playoffs)

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8436178/new-york-jets-not-ready-rule-darrelle-revis-season]New York Jets not ready to rule Darrelle Revis out for season - ESPN New York[/url]

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[quote=Mechanix544;946338]Some might say Gibbs should have never returned to DC to coach the second time, but completely different circumstances.

Mike Shanahan won 2 super bowls, yes. Those 2 super bowls with a STUD qb like Elway. After Elway, he ran the Broncos organization in the ground. Not so bad the first 2 or 3 years after Elway, but then they REALLY started to go downhill. I lived in Colorado Springs at the time. I heard the talk radio around there. Noone thought Shanahan deserved the job after 2004. He completely screwed that defense. He has shown nothing but the same tendencies here, and I just hope that our stud QB can do everything in his power to get us to a superbowl in spite of a HC and OC that prefers to have him run a dozen designed runs a game against linebackers that eat glass for breakfast. I really hope his plan is better than that, cause Griffin is the ONLY reason we were even competitive in any of the games this year. I doubt anyone will attribute any of our success to any schemes or gameplan. I just hope the young fella stays healthy.[/quote]

Word to this, among my family in Denver Shanahan is practically a four letter word. Elway on the other hand is still seen as THE MAN.

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[quote=NC_Skins;946408]Rex Ryan is going senile if he thinks Revis could remotely be back by Super Bowl with a ACL tear. (not that they are even going to make the playoffs)

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8436178/new-york-jets-not-ready-rule-darrelle-revis-season]New York Jets not ready to rule Darrelle Revis out for season - ESPN New York[/url][/quote]

Normally I would say Rex is blowing smoke out his @$$. However, this particular comment is so insane I think someone actually blew smoke IN his @$$. And it went straight to his brain.

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[quote=Skinzman;946350]Learn to read... I asked if he was the GM, and went onto state that if he was, that was the problem.

So try again after you reread what I typed because even though you quoted me, you didnt respond to what I had typed.

Editing to add: Stud qb... bad defenses... Kinda sounds like Belichik the last few years ;)[/quote]

Also worth noting the AFC West division was putrid for most of Shanahan's tenure in Denver. If reg season wins are what you want, well I still don't see how Mike is your guy lol, but he's a dud in the playoffs since Elway retired. Point is sure he won reg season games in Denver but any Bronco fan will tell you, rather adamantly in my family's case, that those were not...competitive...teams.

Also, how on earth do you compare Belichick to Shanahan???? Bill took that team to the Superbowl and nearly won, whereas Mike can't even muster a winning season.

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[quote=Skinzman;946388]I can see reading comprehension in this thread has gone out the window...

Mooby and Gary84clark... Please pay attention to the /Sarcasm at the end of my post next time when claiming that I called Gabbert a Stud QB...[/quote]

That it has. As a fellow lover of sarcasm, that's my bad. Party foul on me, won't happen again.

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[quote=SmootSmack;946353]Really, the only thing he's accomplished here is adding RG3? This conversation just got pointless.[/quote]

Please enlighten us as to other Shanahan successes in Washington?

Seriously, SS, I love you man but a "newcomer" to the board might suspect your on the team's payroll.

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[quote=The Goat;946409]Word to this, among my family in Denver Shanahan is practically a four letter word. Elway on the other hand is still seen as THE MAN.[/quote]
How's....Reeves in Denver?

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[quote=The Goat;946409]Word to this, among my family in Denver Shanahan is practically a four letter word. Elway on the other hand is still seen as THE MAN.[/quote]

Could you ask your family in Denver what they think of Dan Reeves? The guy that couldnt win with Elway yet seems to be considered a good coach by most people, including what Denver fans I have talked to.

Edit: Sniped by Hog1...

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[quote=Skinzman;946415]Could you ask your family in Denver what they think of Dan Reeves? The guy that couldnt win with Elway yet seems to be considered a good coach by most people, including what Denver fans I have talked to.

Edit: Sniped by Hog1...[/quote]

I've heard em compare Reeves to Marty Schottenheimer (spelling) as a guy who could see talent and build a hell of a roster but not see it through to the end. For my own perspective I felt like Schotteheimer got in his own way come the playoffs...maybe similar with Reeves?

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[quote=The Goat;946411]Also worth noting the AFC West division was putrid for most of Shanahan's tenure in Denver. If reg season wins are what you want, well I still don't see how Mike is your guy lol, but he's a dud in the playoffs since Elway retired. Point is sure he won reg season games in Denver but any Bronco fan will tell you, rather adamantly in my family's case, that those were not...competitive...teams.

Also, how on earth do you compare Belichick to Shanahan???? Bill took that team to the Superbowl and nearly won, whereas Mike can't even muster a winning season.[/quote]

I didnt compare Shanny to Belichick. I compared the comment that the Skins have a good offense and bad defense to what the Patriots have had lately. Of course Belichick never wins anything without a massive lucky 6th round pick that no one, including Belichick, thought would amount to much of anything. Tom Brady says hi...

And the putrid AFC west was in SB's and AFC championship games with former Redskins QB Gannon as a Raider. If thats Putrid, then we are back to needing 20 undefeated seasons and 20 SB's in a row to consider anything Shanny does here a success.

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As far as CLE goes if you dont think they are on par with us as far as sucking goes lets make a apples to apples comparison. How did each team fare against CIN?

They suck and we suck. IMO CLE seems like the better two when comparing the two.

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[quote=The Goat;946417]I've heard em compare Reeves to Marty Schottenheimer (spelling) as a guy who could see talent and build a hell of a roster but not see it through to the end. For my own perspective I felt like Schotteheimer got in his own way come the playoffs...maybe similar with Reeves?[/quote]

So the guy that couldnt break through with that STUD QB is not a four letter word, but the guy who broke through, not once, but twice is a four letter word. Interesting...

Something else happened for Denver to hate Shanny this bad. Did he cuss out fans and in general be a douche there or something?

[QUOTE=Skinzman;946420]So the guy that couldnt break through with that STUD QB is not a four letter word, but the guy who broke through, not once, but twice is a four letter word. Interesting...

Something else happened for Denver to hate Shanny this bad. Did he cuss out fans and in general be a douche there or something?[/QUOTE]

A lot folks say it was Terrell Davis was the major factor for those SB.

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[quote=mredskins;946421]A lot folks say it was Terrell Davis was the major factor for those SB.[/quote]

Which would be a Shanny 6th round pick in Denver. Which should mean they hate Reeves and love Shanny.

It's just stupid to say Mike wasn't a huge reason for those two super bowls. I mean BB didn't do shit in Cleveland so does that mean he wouldnt be a good coach without Brady?

He did take em to the playoffs once. He also won a boatload of games the year brady got hurt n cassell played. That being said i cant stand the guy. But i do respect him.

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[quote=mredskins;946421]A lot folks say it was Terrell Davis was the major factor for those SB.[/quote]

A lot of folks are stupid

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[quote=Skinzman;946420]So the guy that couldnt break through with that STUD QB is not a four letter word, but the guy who broke through, not once, but twice is a four letter word. [B]Interesting.[/B]..

Something else happened for Denver to hate Shanny this bad. Did he cuss out fans and in general be a douche there or something?[/quote]

It is......for a fact.
Regrets on my....clever, albeit timely....snipe

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[quote=NC_Skins;946402]What other teams are these you speak of? What was the talent level with that particular coach compared to what our coach inherited. Please get back with specifics. Thanks.[/quote]Jim Schwartz and Marvin Lewis are on lines one and two.

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i reeeeeeally don't like Jason Taylor as an ESPN NFL "analyst"

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I love going back through threads when Shanahan was hired, and seeing some of the same people who praised it.. Now, those same people are talking bad on him.

You guys are a joke.

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We should bring back Jim Zorn

Re-Sign Cooley, Portis, Jason Taylor, Archuleta, D. Sanders, Jason Taylor, Dana Stubblefield, Bruce Smith, Fat Albert and whoever else wants to blow our salary wad on!

Let's bring back the glory days of spending a 2nd rounder on a WR because he had 1 good year as a senior and is fast.

Casay Rabach, John Janson, and many more!!!

I loved our franchise a lot better when we averaged the age of 30+ and was the laughing stock of the free agency market.

Let's trade away a corner back who is going to go down as one of the greatest of all time, for a running back who lasted 5 seasons, and was hurt in most of them. We've had 3 seasons to change a 50 man roster that was riddled with has been's, and never was. Is every replacement going to be perfect? No, but our franchise is in a better position now then it was in 2005. I think everyone need to take a breath and realize that Rome wasn't build in a day. The league isn't full of Bill Belichick's just waiting to get signed to head coaching jobs.

I find it adorable that some of you blame the coaches for everything bad on our team and not some of the talent, but in a different thread you want to say it was Elway and Davis who led the Broncos, and not the coaches. Comical, hypocritical fans...

Shanahan was doomed the minute he signed with this franchise because the modern day fan for Washington is so tainted by the Cerrato era, that they forgot what it takes to actually build a team.

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[quote=GTripp0012;946428]Jim Schwartz and Marvin Lewis are on lines one and two.[/quote]

Good call on Lewis.

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[quote=Bucket;946431]I love going back through threads when Shanahan was hired, and seeing some of the same people who praised it.. Now, those same people are talking bad on him.

You guys are a joke.[/quote]

I admit to never liking the Shanahan hire, and saying so from the beginning. Still I hoped he would put it all together here.

But you can't really fault anybody for having high hopes can you? It was a pretty dark time after Sean passed, Joe retired for good and we watched swinging gates on gameday.

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[quote=Bucket;946431]I love going back through threads when Shanahan was hired, and seeing some of the same people who praised it.. Now, those same people are talking bad on him.

You guys are a joke.[/quote]

Would you say the same for Haynesworth? Not to say Shanahan has been a bust but he isn't exactly absolved from criticism either. The jury is still out but yeah

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[quote=Bucket;946434]We should bring back Jim Zorn

Re-Sign Cooley, Portis, Jason Taylor, Archuleta, D. Sanders, Jason Taylor, Dana Stubblefield, Bruce Smith, Fat Albert and whoever else wants to blow our salary wad on!

Let's bring back the glory days of spending a 2nd rounder on a WR because he had 1 good year as a senior and is fast.

Casay Rabach, John Janson, and many more!!!

I loved our franchise a lot better when we averaged the age of 30+ and was the laughing stock of the free agency market.

Let's trade away a corner back who is going to go down as one of the greatest of all time, for a running back who lasted 5 seasons, and was hurt in most of them. We've had 3 seasons to change a 50 man roster that was riddled with has been's, and never was. Is every replacement going to be perfect? No, but our franchise is in a better position now then it was in 2005. I think everyone need to take a breath and realize that Rome wasn't build in a day. The league isn't full of Bill Belichick's just waiting to get signed to head coaching jobs.

I find it adorable that some of you blame the coaches for everything bad on our team and not some of the talent, but in a different thread you want to say it was Elway and Davis who led the Broncos, and not the coaches. Comical, hypocritical fans...

Shanahan was doomed the minute he signed with this franchise because the modern day fan for Washington is so tainted by the Cerrato era, that they forgot what it takes to actually build a team.[/quote]
Preach Brother!
The truth will set us all free...........

[QUOTE=Bucket;946431]I love going back through threads when Shanahan was hired, and seeing some of the same people who praised it.. Now, those same people are talking bad on him.

You guys are a joke.[/QUOTE]

Is there a law against changing your mind? Of course there was excitement - he was replacing jim zorn! Now after three years he has a worse win % than zorn did! Is it ok with you that we are not as excited? The joke is that it seems like some people put a certain player or coach above the team! I am a redskins fan - whoever puts on the uniform or coaches the team i want to do well. If they dont i want them gone! What the hell is wrong with that?

[QUOTE=Hog1;946443]Preach Brother!
The truth will set us all free...........[/QUOTE]

The truth is those teams bucket is referring to with all their horrible moves went to the playoffs twice and the team that you guys seem to put up on such a pedestal as a model of how a dynasty should be run loses every friggin week for three years now.
I hope to god that it gets turned around but can the wins please come before the praise?

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[quote=SmootSmack;946426]A lot of folks are stupid[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=tryfuhl;946438]Would you say the same for Haynesworth? Not to say Shanahan has been a bust but he isn't exactly absolved from criticism either. The jury is still out but yeah[/quote]Well, Shanahan's salary would suggest that he's been a pretty big bust in Washington.

I mean, if he came in with mediocre expectations, and had two losing seasons but the team got younger and drafted well, then fine, maybe there is a silver lining in all the losing.

But he was hired to win early, long, and often. And all that's happened is losing, losing, and more losing.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;946461]:laughing2[/QUOTE]

Matty do you not see any reasoning in the fact that shanny should not be loved by skins fans UNTIL he wins? I see alot of the same people that praise shanny now say things like gibbs shouldnt have come back. Gibbs went to the playoffs twice Shanny gets alot of love here because of his past success. How come it was so easy to overlook gibbs past success?

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[quote=punch it in;946464]Matty do you not see any reasoning in the fact that shanny should not be loved by skins fans UNTIL he wins? I see alot of the same people that praise shanny now say things like gibbs shouldnt have come back. Gibbs went to the playoffs twice Shanny gets alot of love here because of his past success. How come it was so easy to overlook gibbs past success?[/quote]There is no objective argument in favor of the job Mike Shanahan has done here. None. Just people who don't yet want to admit they were wrong.

Sorry if you're still holding out hope, but it's the truth.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;946465]There is no objective argument in favor of the job Mike Shanahan has done here. None. Just people who don't yet want to admit they were wrong.

Sorry if you're still holding out hope, but it's the truth.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Im still holding out hope as im sure you are. We are skins fans. But this is theee worst three year run according to wins and losses ( which i thought is what a teams success was based on) in a long time.

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[quote=punch it in;946466]I agree. Im still holding out hope as im sure you are. We are skins fans. But this is theee worst three year run according to wins and losses ( which i thought is what a teams success was based on) in a long time.[/quote]I [B]am[/B] still holding out hope that Shanny turns it around. But it's irrational hope at this point. It's not based on logic or reason or any on field evidence from the last three years.

It's just me being a fan.