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He's hurt Smoot. So he's worthless! CURSE HIM, HE SUCKS!! ARGH!

I liked JB when he could play. Seemed like a good character dude too. Really liked in the locker room

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[quote=SmootSmack;968077]I can respect that argument. Merry Christmas you ahole, I can't[/quote]

Take it easy Francis, I was being sarcastic. Bad humor.

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from redskins.com

"[B]No surprise that the Redskins have a 3-0 record with long snapper Nick Sundberg on the roster[/B], as we catch up with the resident tough guy before the Giants game."

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[quote=SmootSmack;968031]I don't get the hatred for Brown, but whatever[/quote]

maybe because he played like a champ in NO, then got here and has been the most underwhelming player in the past 5 years, unless of course you count McFlabb. The guy is a pain in the franchises neck (or knee), since he is an expensive IR addition all the time, and we have to expose our franchise QB to journeyman backup tackles that get beat on a consistent basis. But even when he did play, he was VERY mediocre, almost bad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;968087]I can respect your argument.

No, not really. Did mention a couple of weeks back that they gave Compton a nice raise after a few teams sought him out. I suspect he'll get a December call up and will be in the plans for 2013. Think Maurice Hurt might be in the mix too.[/quote]


I take it LiRebus isn't doing much of anything at this point.

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[quote=SmootSmack;968044]He's not some bum who just wants to sit back and collect a pay check. He'd rather be healthy and playing. The constant set backs have to be frustrating.[/quote]

obviously you know or have had some sort of interaction with the guy, or have been told that he is a cool guy, and really nice. For that reason, id love it if he were healthy and playing at his NO level. But he is always injured, might as well use the money on a young lineman who can stay healthy, build a rapport with his other lineman and RG3, and grow with the team. JB to me was a complete trade bust, and I wish we had that pick back, but so it goes......

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[quote=NC_Skins;968339]I take it LiRebus isn't doing much of anything at this point.[/quote]

LiRibeus is riding the bench and keeping it warm. Maybe the Forestor and Shanahan are keeping an eye on in practice and seeing him develop but feel he's not ready to contribute yet on offense.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;968079]I would say 5th priority - behind 2 safeties and 2 cornerbacks :) Of course, its unlikely we'd see an entirely new secondary. it could be 2 of our 4 starting DBs are doing everything theyre supposed to, but the other 2 keep blowing assignments. Its hard to judge since we dont know what the assignments are.

Given Shanahan doesnt have the best track record drafting defensive talent, i'd feel alot better if we resolved most of our secondary concerns in free agency. Not sure what the market is going to be next year or our exact cap room, but good cornerbacks are expensive.[/quote]

To tell you the truth, I think we could do a hell of alot better if we can just add ONE solid starting CB, and have JW start the other side, and DH play the nickelback. And then with the safeties, this will be the hardest position to fill. I say we keep Merriweather, and add a young buck in the second round to start for us. I swear I hope we can both Madoodoo and Doubty. I feel that we can find better options than them, younger as well, on the FA market or through some sort of trade, maybe even the middle rounds of the draft.

One thing is for sure, our scouting department had better be working overtime for this next draft, cause without at least a starter CB or safety, the defense will continue to bleed out, Orakpo or not.

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[quote=SmootSmack;968031]I don't get the hatred for Brown, but whatever[/quote]

Would you rather us be hating on Shanny? Not only did he trade a valuable pick for a injured player, but he doubled down on that SAME frigging injured player by signing him to a contract in the previous off-season.




[quote=Chico23231;968042]I feel bad for the skins[/quote]

Exactly.

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If this unit finishes the season healthy, knock on wood, it's going to be hard for anybody to come into camp next season and crack the starting lineup; Tyler Polumbus included.

Coaches are very relunctant to tinker with success, even if there's a weak link. Polumbus hasn't been great, but he has held his own this season.

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[quote=Mechanix544;968345]To tell you the truth, I think we could do a hell of alot better if we can just add ONE solid starting CB, and have JW start the other side, and DH play the nickelback. And then with the safeties, this will be the hardest position to fill. I say we keep Merriweather, and add a young buck in the second round to start for us. I swear I hope we can both Madoodoo and Doubty. I feel that we can find better options than them, younger as well, on the FA market or through some sort of trade, maybe even the middle rounds of the draft.

One thing is for sure, our scouting department had better be working overtime for this next draft, cause without at least a starter CB or safety, the defense will continue to bleed out, Orakpo or not.[/quote]

So Browns a no good bust but you want to keep Merriweather?

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[quote=firstdown;968355]So Browns a no good bust but you want to keep Merriweather?[/quote]


The irony eh?...lol


Same folks probably screamed about Laron Landry too.

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[quote=The Goat;968313]Take it easy Francis, I was being sarcastic. Bad humor.[/quote]

Your reputation doesn't lend itself to that being a sarcastic comment

NC Skins-technically we got Niles Paul as well in the deal and JL is in the plans for next year

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Brown should not be blamed. He's tried to get onto the field.

As for his acquisition, it was kind of a high risk/high reward thing from the beginning. Unfortunately we got the risk part of that deal. If he had gotten healthy, as was surmised at his acquisition, we would have a kick-ass offensive line right now.

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[quote=Mechanix544;968336]maybe because he played like a champ in NO, then got here and has been the most underwhelming player in the past 5 years, unless of course you count McFlabb. The guy is a pain in the franchises neck (or knee), since he is an expensive IR addition all the time, and we have to expose our franchise QB to journeyman backup tackles that get beat on a consistent basis. But even when he did play, he was VERY mediocre, almost bad.[/quote]


um, your history is off. JB didn't play like a champ in NO, that's part of why they traded him. he got like a millionity false starts called on him. not saying he was a chump, but it was a bit of a surprise when they let him go.

our mistake was giving him a big contract, or not doing due dilligence i guess. he's still not making tons for a starting tackle, but for a guy that isn't playing... that hurts.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;968350]Would you rather us be hating on Shanny? Not only did he trade a valuable pick for a injured player, but he doubled down on that SAME frigging injured player by signing him to a contract in the previous off-season.






Exactly.[/QUOTE]

NC thats not like you? Lol.
P.S. - that sunset picture is awesome. I keep going back into the pic thread to check it out. :)

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[quote=punch it in;968385]NC thats not like you? Lol.
P.S. - that sunset picture is awesome. I keep going back into the pic thread to check it out. :)[/quote]

It's sunrise my good man. I'm on the east coast. :)

[QUOTE=firstdown;968355]So Browns a no good bust but you want to keep Merriweather?[/QUOTE]

Well if BW stays hurt for three years than this would be a fair statement. Personally i think its ridiculous for anybody to call Brown a no good bum- im sure his hip didnt mean anything personal against the Skins. Now haynesworthless was a no good bum. Like SS said im sure Brown would relish the chance to earn his money. Its a shame really.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;968387]It's sunrise my good man. I'm on the east coast. :)[/QUOTE]

I call all sun pics sunset pics - bad habit.
You can see em here too - usually if your facing a bay or inlet - Check out the pic thread im going to post an awesome one i took last summer in cape may.

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[quote=Lotus;968380]Brown should not be blamed. He's tried to get onto the field.

As for his acquisition, it was kind of a high risk/high reward thing from the beginning. Unfortunately we got the risk part of that deal. If he had gotten healthy, as was surmised at his acquisition, we would have a kick-ass offensive line right now.[/quote]

Well, it stands to reason. This was a Vinny Cerratto kind of move by Shanahan. You don't trade away a 3rd round pick for an injured player. The trade for Brown was in my opinion worse than the trade Ceratto made for Jason Taylor.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;968025]Let me say it again - right tackle needs to be the redskins [I]Third[/I] priority in the offseason, behind Safety and Cornerback.[/quote]

I know you're not trying to mock me... Your username is a joke, but as far as jokes, it comes in second - behind your opinions.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;968410]Well, it stands to reason. This was a Vinny Cerratto kind of move by Shanahan. You don't trade away a 3rd round pick for an injured player. The trade for Brown was in my opinion worse than the trade Ceratto made for Jason Taylor.[/quote]

You are not accounting for the fact that both Washington and New Orleans thought that his health might improve. Your current 20/20 hindsight was not available when we got Brown.

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[quote=Lotus;968414]You are not accounting for the fact that both Washington and New Orleans thought that his health might improve. Your current 20/20 hindsight was not available when we got Brown.[/quote]

What matters is the end result. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan could have used that 3rd round pick to draft a RT. Brown was/is a great offensive lineman but he is equivalent to an old man who needs a hip replacement. I get tired of reading about this guy's injured hip. I don't blame Shanahan for making the trade but if Brown had health issues at the time Shanahan was talking to the Saints, he should have considered giving the Saints a lower draft pick since it was in exchange for an ailing player. A third rounder was too much to give away.

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[quote=warriorzpath;968413]I know you're not trying to mock me... Your username is a joke, but as far as jokes, it comes in second - behind your opinions.[/quote]

I was saying what you SHOULD have said. Chill bra!

My screen name is meant to be a joke.

Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;968419]I was saying what you SHOULD have said. Chill bra!

My screen name is meant to be a joke.

Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one...[/quote]

Don't tell me to chill or tell me what I should say

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;968025]Let me say it again - right tackle needs to be the redskins [I]Third[/I] priority in the offseason, behind Safety and Cornerback.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Not that RT is solid by any means - but D is without a doubt a bigger problem than our offense. Personally though I think we will be able to adress both needs. - one in FA and one with our second round pick. Than with the other picks - depth depth depth - along the oline and secondary.

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[quote=warriorzpath;968422]Don't tell me to chill or tell me what I should say[/quote]

you were being something of a jerk and he was trying to diffuse your hostility in a friendly way. youve just scored one douchebag point :)

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Let me ask a question that may let some of you see it from a different perspective- who is the player that is most important to the redskins right now and will be for the duration of his career? So why would you not put the greatest priority in protecting him? Forget secondary and defense, if there's no RGIII then there's no hope. And many fans are content to let someone in front of him just do a decent enough job to protect him. And just think about RGIII - do you really want him just getting by with decent protection with guys like Pierre-Paul trying to hurt him? I like polumbus, but if there's a chance to upgrade- that would be my first priority - because protecting RGIII should be the biggest priority.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;968520]you were being something of a jerk and he was trying to diffuse your hostility in a friendly way. youve just scored one douchebag point :)[/quote]

You know what - diffuse this - I don't care

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;968415]What matters is the end result. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan could have used that 3rd round pick to draft a RT. Brown was/is a great offensive lineman but he is equivalent to an old man who needs a hip replacement. I get tired of reading about this guy's injured hip. I don't blame Shanahan for making the trade but [B]if Brown had health issues at the time Shanahan was talking to the Saints, he should have considered giving the Saints a lower draft pick since it was in exchange for an ailing player.[/B] A third rounder was too much to give away.[/quote]

Shanny did just what you said. The original asking price for Brown, a Pro Bowler at the time, was a first and a third. Shanny got Brown for less than that.

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[quote=warriorzpath;968528]Let me ask a question that may let some of you see it from a different perspective- who is the player that is most important to the redskins right now and will be for the duration of his career? So why would you not put the greatest priority in protecting him? Forget secondary and defense, if there's no RGIII then there's no hope. And many fans are content to let someone in front of him just do a decent enough job to protect him. And just think about RGIII - do you really want him just getting by with decent protection with guys like Pierre-Paul trying to hurt him? I like polumbus, but if there's a chance to upgrade- that would be my first priority - because protecting RGIII should be the biggest priority.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying. This is why I don't understand Mike Shanahan's logic of drafting offensive linemen like Compton in the 6th round and "given them time to develop" when he should have drafted a T in the earlier rounds who could play right away. Compton played in the ALL VALLEY Missouri Football Conference for goodness sakes!!! Unless you truly follow college football, you've never heard of that conference. Compton is not a player who will start probably for the next 2 or three years even if he's still on the team by then.

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[quote=warriorzpath;968528]Let me ask a question that may let some of you see it from a different perspective- who is the player that is most important to the redskins right now and will be for the duration of his career? So why would you not put the greatest priority in protecting him? Forget secondary and defense, if there's no RGIII then there's no hope. And many fans are content to let someone in front of him just do a decent enough job to protect him. And just think about RGIII - do you really want him just getting by with decent protection with guys like Pierre-Paul trying to hurt him? I like polumbus, but if there's a chance to upgrade- that would be my first priority - because protecting RGIII should be the biggest priority.[/quote]

There are 10 guys on the field with RGIII who are there to "protect" him, whether it's a lineman blocking, or a receiver getting open quickly, or a running back picking up a blitz. We shouldn't lose sight of making the entire team better just for RT

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;968535]I understand what you're saying. This is why I don't understand Mike Shanahan's logic of drafting offensive linemen like Compton in the 6th round and "given them time to develop" when he should have drafted a T in the earlier rounds who could play right away. Compton played in the ALL VALLEY Missouri Football Conference for goodness sakes!!! Unless you truly follow college football, you've never heard of that conference. Compton is not a player who will start probably for the next 2 or three years even if he's still on the team by then.[/quote]

That post made zero sense

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[quote=SmootSmack;968539]That post made zero sense[/quote]

Smoot, how so?

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[quote=warriorzpath;968528]Let me ask a question that may let some of you see it from a different perspective- who is the player that is most important to the redskins right now and will be for the duration of his career? So why would you not put the greatest priority in protecting him? Forget secondary and defense, if there's no RGIII then there's no hope. And many fans are content to let someone in front of him just do a decent enough job to protect him. And just think about RGIII - do you really want him just getting by with decent protection with guys like Pierre-Paul trying to hurt him? I like polumbus, but if there's a chance to upgrade- that would be my first priority - because protecting RGIII should be the biggest priority.[/quote]

Protecting RGIII has value, obviously. HOWEVER, the team needs defensive talent in many places. RGIII, by his style and nature, will take hits. Every quarterback takes hits, some take more than him some take less. The FO has to make every effort to put a winning team together, not a vessel for the Great RGIII (no sarcasm meant). Griffin has dealt with injuries in his past, and has overcome them. I have no doubt that if the worst were to happen, he would work his butt off to come back again.

No one is saying ignore the line, but short of a top32 draft pick you probably aren't getting a day one starter, so let's let our draft picks and players compete, develop and transition in (or if they can't, get more bodies in) to keep trying to find the right players for the future)

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;968542]Smoot, how so?[/quote]

First, you're assuming that a T drafted higher from a bigger school would be kicking ass right now...like say Bobby Massie

Second, your whole thing about "unless you truly follow college football" What is that? I mean you do realize the scouts' jobs are to "truly follow college football" and find the players from schools no one thinks about. Players like...Alfred Morris for example

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;968544]Protecting RGIII has value, obviously. HOWEVER, the team needs defensive talent in many places. RGIII, by his style and nature, will take hits. Every quarterback takes hits, some take more than him some take less. The FO has to make every effort to put a winning team together, not a vessel for the Great RGIII (no sarcasm meant). Griffin has dealt with injuries in his past, and has overcome them. I have no doubt that if the worst were to happen, he would work his butt off to come back again.

No one is saying ignore the line, [B]but short of a top32 draft pick you probably aren't getting a day one starter[/B], so let's let our draft picks and players compete, develop and transition in (or if they can't, get more bodies in) to keep trying to find the right players for the future)[/quote]

And next year the Rams will be using our #32 pick.

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Part of the role of an offensive tackle is to basically be the bodyguard for the qb. Are you content to have a decent bodyguard for your franchise player as long as he's healthy or do you want the best available bodyguard to protect him?

I guess I just don't think like most of you. I guess we'll see if Mike Shanahan agrees with me in his choices in free agency and in the draft this offseason.

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Make no mistake, part of the reason that Polumbus appears to be doing a decent job in pass protection is that RGIII makes him look better.

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[quote=warriorzpath;968554]Make no mistake, part of the reason that Polumbus appears to be doing a decent job in pass protection is that RGIII makes him look better.[/quote]

Man, I could swear that in the pre-season there were people saying that Griffin was going to make the line better than it looked with Beck and Grossman. And I swear I remember some people saying that that argument was crazy talk. (not saying it was you warrior). Seems like having a QB with a quick release, decisive in his throws, and aware of the rush, might just help the line. That is some amazing stuff.