[QUOTE=Lotus;977977]Don't we already have a Shanaplan thread?[/QUOTE]

If this thread was about anything other than Jordan Black it would be an issue. Lol.
The original Shanny thread started by Gtripp should have just been renamed instead of closed. It was a perfect funnell for all of this talk.

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Shanahan has a 5 year plan
Stalin had a 5 year plan

Ergo, Shanahan = Stalin

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To list a bunch of guys as contributors who are hurt (not playing), special teams guys, or only see the field if the rest of the position group is depleted...takes the kind of intellectual gymnastics I'm just not talented enough to understand lol.

Regardless of what you think about Mike's personnel acumen, nobody wants to seriously address/consider the significant conflict of interest associated with father and son running an organization from top to bottom. When will we know, for instance, if decisions made are best for the Shanahans or the Redskins?

One the one hand supporters of the Shanaplan say we have no defensive talent and all the credit goes to Haslett, but then turn around and (try) to create lists of the great talent Mike's acquired across the roster.

We're on a great run right now, and I hope it continues. I think trying to make the last five games into a testament of the regime's overall record is premature at best.

[QUOTE=Lotus;977981]Shanahan has a 5 year plan
Stalin had a 5 year plan

Ergo, Shanahan = Stalin[/QUOTE]

In Soviet Russia, plan has you!

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I blame myself for asking Goat to respond

Am I the only one who realizes Andy Reid's been the HC in Philly for 14 years? It's not like he's dealing with the mess (he partly created himself) in Philly as a first year HC.

But anyhow, I'm sorry. As penance I'm giving up my moderator status for the next 5 seconds

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Run Amok, RUN AMOK, [B]RUN AMOK[/B]

Not much you can do in five seconds :(

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[quote=Chico23231;977966]Goat, you know Shanny is getting strong consideration for coach of the year and RG3 MVP? And the Skins are vying for home playoff game?

You know when Zorn left the franchise was at the absolute bottom that most fans had never experienced?

I kinda dont get it[/quote]

The only place I've heard Mike for COY is on this board, where else has he been named?

Also, haven't heard RG discussed as MVP outside this board. P Manning, Brady and AP I've heard about. Manning gets it IMO.

Zorn was a joke, but this is Shanahan's team and roster through and through. Interestingly enough, the only remnants or similarities between the two regimes have been in play-calling eg swinging gate vs RG catching the pass against Ryan Clark. I'm not really sure why anyone brings Zorn up otherwise, what does he have to do with anything at this point? You can say the team was depleted of talent, but that's been debunked by Tripp and frankly, common sense. The defense Mike inherited was better than anything he's been able to put together since.

NFL.com lists pts/game ranking for us:

2012-23rd
2011-21st
2010-21st
2009-18th
2008-6th

The 18th ranking in 2009 is probably misleading because much of the team mailed it in halfway through the season. But it's clear anyway. In five seasons we went from 6th to 23rd, and Shanahan has everything to do with that. He also is responsible for an improved offense. So where does that leave us? Again, what's the Shanaplan? How does the defense improve so we can be a contender, given the lack of resources we have going forward? How does it "work" when father and son run the organization from top to bottom?

I don't blame anybody for avoiding specifics here btw. Just don't pretend they're unimportant.

Now we can go back to discussing Jordan Black :)

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[quote=The Goat;977998]To list a bunch of guys as contributors who are hurt (not playing), special teams guys, or only see the field if the rest of the position group is depleted...takes the kind of intellectual gymnastics I'm just not talented enough to understand lol.

Regardless of what you think about Mike's personnel acumen, nobody wants to seriously address/consider the [B][I]significant conflict of interest [/I][/B]associated with father and son running an organization from top to bottom. When will we know, for instance, if decisions made are best for the Shanahans or the Redskins?

One the one hand supporters of the Shanaplan say we have no defensive talent and all the credit goes to Haslett, but then turn around and (try) to create lists of the great talent Mike's acquired across the roster.

We're on a great run right now, and I hope it continues. I think trying to make the last five games into a testament of the regime's overall record is premature at best.[/quote]

please explain how a conflict of interest is even relevant here: best for the shanahans or the redskins? wtf are you talking about? You could just as easily say that Patriots fans have no way of knowing if Bill Belicheck is making decisions that are the best for Bill Belicheck or for the Patriots.

Mike Shanahan may be a head coach with final say over personnel matters, but he still reports to Bruce Allen, who reports to Daniel Snyder. If Snyder and/or Allen felt Shanahan wasnt making decisions that were best for the organization, Shanahan could be fired. The fact that his son is offensive coordinator is completely irrelevant. The only potential "conflict" that could occur is if Kyle Shanahan sucked and Mike refused to fire him. However, Kyle established himself as a brilliant offensive coordinator in Houston and he's brought nothing but excellence here. So your entire argument about a conflict of interest because the head coach and offensive coordinator are father and son is completely moronic.

About the only sensible statement in your post is that the team is on a 5 game streak. Congratuations. You accurately stated a fact. Then you ruin it by implying that we shouldnt read into it. Mike Shanahan inheritted what was probably the most dysfunctional organization with the least talented roster in the NFL. It might not have been the worst, but it was close to it. A little over 2 years later and we have a stable, sensible organization making sound football decisions. Mike Shanahan spent two years bringing sanity to the front office and building a roster that could lay a foundation for what we have now - something we havent had in 20 years - a franchise quarterback. We didnt have the quarterback in 2010 and 2011 so those years were not pretty. But we have one now and its made all the difference in our team. Mike Shanahan has changed the culture of this franchise and overturned the roster. the only thing our team is really lacking right now is a solid secondary. When is the last time you have looked over our roster and had a hard time finding more than 1 or 2 weak positions groups? If not for the salary cap penalty, and its impact in our ability to sign some quality DBs in free agency, we probably have a much better record now. When Shanahan came here, most sports reporters/media analysts thought the organization and roster was so bad, it would take 3-4 years to turn things around. We're in year 3 and things have been turned around, right on schedule. Please either stop the hate or provide some sort of substantive evidence to support your concerns.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;978007]please explain how a conflict of interest is even relevant here: best for the shanahans or the redskins? wtf are you talking about? You could just as easily say that Patriots fans have no way of knowing if Bill Belicheck is making decisions that are the best for Bill Belicheck or for the Patriots.QUOTE]

Aren't we discussing the future of the team? I keep reading about Mike moving into a full time GM role and Kyle taking over coaching, no?

If you don't see the dangers in that scenario...nevermind.

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[quote=The Goat;978010]Aren't we discussing the future of the team? I keep reading about Mike moving into a full time GM role and Kyle taking over coaching, no?

If you don't see the dangers in that scenario...nevermind.[/quote]are they different from the dangers of any other scenario? if so, how?

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[quote=The Goat;978006]The only place I've heard Mike for COY is on this board, where else has he been named?

Also, haven't heard RG discussed as MVP outside this board. P Manning, Brady and AP I've heard about. Manning gets it IMO.

Zorn was a joke, but this is Shanahan's team and roster through and through. Interestingly enough, the only remnants or similarities between the two regimes have been in play-calling eg swinging gate vs RG catching the pass against Ryan Clark. I'm not really sure why anyone brings Zorn up otherwise, what does he have to do with anything at this point? You can say the team was depleted of talent, but that's been debunked by Tripp and frankly, common sense. The defense Mike inherited was better than anything he's been able to put together since.

NFL.com lists pts/game ranking for us:

2012-23rd
2011-21st
2010-21st
2009-18th
2008-6th

The 18th ranking in 2009 is probably misleading because much of the team mailed it in halfway through the season. But it's clear anyway. In five seasons we went from 6th to 23rd, and Shanahan has everything to do with that. He also is responsible for an improved offense. So where does that leave us? Again, what's the Shanaplan? How does the defense improve so we can be a contender, given the lack of resources we have going forward? How does it "work" when father and son run the organization from top to bottom?

I don't blame anybody for avoiding specifics here btw. Just don't pretend they're unimportant.

Now we can go back to discussing Jordan Black :)[/quote]

So... You...

1) proved the defense went from 18th to 23rd under Shanahan.

2) Completely avoided specifics by saying the 18th ranking is "misleading"

3) Said Shanahan has everything to do with the last 5 years of the defense, even though he's been here 2 3/4 years total.

4) Misleadingly claimed that the defense dropped from 6th to 23rd under Shanahan when your own facts clearly state that it has only dropped from 18th to 23rd.

5) Make an odd attempt to laugh at us by claiming that we are "avoiding specifics".

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(1) Mike was discussed as coach of the year on NFL Network conditioned on the Skins making the playoffs - A fair prerequisite. He has also been discussed as COY by local media and pretty much every fan board out there (hogshaven, extremeskins etc.).
[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/12/is-shanahan-a-coach-of-the-year-candidate.html]Is Shanahan a coach of the year candidate? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

(2) Zorn's roster was not talentless. In fact, it had some good aging talent but, as MS noted shortly after his arrival, it lacked depth of any sort. The team inherited by MS was in decline, had a dysfunctional front office and cancerous locker room - That analysis has not been "debunked" by anyone.

(3) Conflict of interest? Well that's just ignorant. As head of the Skins, if MS fails to succeed, he gets fired - ultimately, it is in his and the Skins best interest for him to succeed. If you're concerned that MS would retain his son despite the son's failure ... okay ... maybe. However, once it becomes apparent MS won't fire KS, you think Dan Snyder is likely to just wilt before him while MS tanks the team? Doubtful at best and certainly not backed by history. Once the team was clearly entrusted to Cerrato (after Gibbs II), even he was not immune.

(4) So the criticism against Shanny is now that he hasn't developed any young defensive talent outside the first round? Wow ... reaching on that one. A team with no depth hasn't filled all its holes with late round draft picks. Of course, hitting on Kerrigan, getting play from Jenkins, Crawford and Robinson ... yup - proof positive that MS can't pick defenders this time around.

(5) The criticism of Reid is weak/shallow? Please rebut the assertion he has failed to utilize Westbrook and McCoy. Please rebut the assertion that he has a reputation for poor clock management. Please rebut the assertion that he has a horrible success rate on 3rd and short.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/803522-philadelphia-eagles-5-changes-andy-reid-needs-to-make/page/2]Philadelphia Eagles: 5 Changes Andy Reid Needs To Make | Bleacher Report[/url]

(6) The Shanaplan certainly seems evident to me: (a) Build primarily through the draft with some UFA additions; (b) In both the draft and UFA acquisitions seek out "team" players; (c) Provide opportunity without favoritism; (d) Find a franchise QB.


It's very simple Goat. In almost every thing you say related to football, ... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY]Dr Cox - Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong - YouTube[/ame]

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just could not stay.....strong could you, Joe?

[QUOTE=hooskins;977999]In Soviet Russia, plan has you![/QUOTE]

This sounds like Yoda speaking in a ukraine tongue. Lol

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;978003]Run Amok, RUN AMOK, [B]RUN AMOK[/B]

Not much you can do in five seconds :([/QUOTE]

Lmao!!!! Now that is hysterical.

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lol ... no. I am human and therefore fail. It's just that he's ... soooo ... irrational.

[I]Mea culpa[/I] ... I shall say seven Hail SmootSmack's and six Our Matty's.

[QUOTE=The Goat;978010][QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;978007]please explain how a conflict of interest is even relevant here: best for the shanahans or the redskins? wtf are you talking about? You could just as easily say that Patriots fans have no way of knowing if Bill Belicheck is making decisions that are the best for Bill Belicheck or for the Patriots.QUOTE]

Aren't we discussing the future of the team? I keep reading about Mike moving into a full time GM role and Kyle taking over coaching, no?

If you don't see the dangers in that scenario...nevermind.[/QUOTE]

Goat i believe in the world of forum logistics that ideas and thoughts and beliefs and desires can get twisted or snowball into something they were not intended to come across as. Its the nature of digital expression. I for one respect any idea or opinion which is put forth in this forum because none of us have a crystal ball to debunk a theory or idea. All we can go by imo when discussing the state of the Redskins is wins and losses. Win = success. Loss = failure. Not in a week to week case, because nobody is perfect, but in a broad picture. So i ask you this......what if the Redskins win the division and than make some noise in the postseason. Not like 05, 07 when we knew damn well we were not going anywhere fast. This time we make noise with a rather potent offense, seemingly capable enough defense ( minus one quarter over a five game span they have played pretty damn well), and a kicker we are not afraid to march out on the field and kick us to victory. I dont care whose fault it is or isnt that any of these things are working btw. Haz, rg-3, ks, ms, ? If this team does what i propose they are going to do. Which is win two playoff games at least. Than , would you stand pat and accept this same regime back next year with open arms? Yes or no? One word answer is required.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;978070]lol ... no. I am human and therefore fail. It's just that he's ... soooo ... irrational.

[I]Mea culpa[/I] ... [B]I shall say seven Hail SmootSmack's and six Our Matty's.[/B][/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=punch it in;978071]

Goat i believe in the world of forum logistics that ideas and thoughts and beliefs and desires can get twisted or snowball into something they were not intended to come across as. Its the nature of digital expression. I for one respect any idea or opinion which is put forth in this forum because none of us have a crystal ball to debunk a theory or idea. All we can go by imo when discussing the state of the Redskins is wins and losses. Win = success. Loss = failure. Not in a week to week case, because nobody is perfect, but in a broad picture. So i ask you this......what if the Redskins win the division and than make some noise in the postseason. Not like 05, 07 when we knew damn well we were not going anywhere fast. This time we make noise with a rather potent offense, seemingly capable enough defense ( minus one quarter over a five game span they have played pretty damn well), and a kicker we are not afraid to march out on the field and kick us to victory. I dont care whose fault it is or isnt that any of these things are working btw. Haz, rg-3, ks, ms, ? If this team does what i propose they are going to do. Which is win two playoff games at least. Than , would you stand pat and accept this same regime back next year with open arms? Yes or no? One word answer is required.[/quote]

Yes!

But c'mon buddy, you know I can't just leave it there lol. Just making the playoffs is enough to cement another year of the regime (keeping its current structure) for me. That said, I want to see two consecutive years (presumably this year and next) of improvement before we start signing Shanahans to the next decade of coaching. I think the talk of a clear and recognizable "Shanaplan," extensions, or anything beyond next season is pretty silly right now. I reckon some folks are ready to crown Mike a King and Kyle a prince, I guess because they (fingers crossed) are on the verge of a winning season. It's why I've been rehashing the (vast) shortcomings of the regime in this thread...let's chill the eff out and see what happens.

[QUOTE=The Goat;978078]Yes!

But c'mon buddy, you know I can't just leave it there lol. Just making the playoffs is enough to cement another year of the regime (keeping its current structure) for me. That said, I want to see two consecutive years (presumably this year and next) of improvement before we start signing Shanahans to the next decade of coaching. I think the talk of a clear and recognizable "Shanaplan," extensions, or anything beyond next season is pretty silly right now. I reckon some folks are ready to crown Mike a King and Kyle a prince, I guess because they (fingers crossed) are on the verge of a winning season. It's why I've been rehashing the (vast) shortcomings of the regime in this thread...let's chill the eff out and see what happens.[/QUOTE]

Your just hesitant to go all in because your afraid to be pissed off if it blows up again like it has so many times before. I get it. Alot of us are.
Makes me feel better to know that i got an emphatic yes! Lol. I knew you would be hard pressed to give me a one word answer, but i did get a one word paragraph!
I will never say i told you so Goat, i cant. I publicly pointed out shortcomings while they were losing. However, i think coaches can change, Anything you dont like about Shannys defensive personnel decisions can change. We dont know exactly who is discussing exactly what behind closed doors about personnel but old dogs do learn new tricks contrary to popular belief. I firmly believe on every level that this team is onto something big - for a long while - and that it is not just because they got lucky and landed RG-3.

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[quote=The Goat;978006]The only place I've heard Mike for COY is on this board, where else has he been named?

Also, haven't heard RG discussed as MVP outside this board. P Manning, Brady and AP I've heard about. Manning gets it IMO.

Zorn was a joke, but this is Shanahan's team and roster through and through. Interestingly enough, the only remnants or similarities between the two regimes have been in play-calling eg swinging gate vs RG catching the pass against Ryan Clark. I'm not really sure why anyone brings Zorn up otherwise, what does he have to do with anything at this point? You can say the team was depleted of talent, but that's been debunked by Tripp and frankly, common sense. The defense Mike inherited was better than anything he's been able to put together since.

NFL.com lists pts/game ranking for us:

2012-23rd
2011-21st
2010-21st
2009-18th
2008-6th

The 18th ranking in 2009 is probably misleading because much of the team mailed it in halfway through the season. But it's clear anyway. In five seasons we went from 6th to 23rd, and Shanahan has everything to do with that. He also is responsible for an improved offense. So where does that leave us? Again, what's the Shanaplan? How does the defense improve so we can be a contender, given the lack of resources we have going forward? How does it "work" when father and son run the organization from top to bottom?

I don't blame anybody for avoiding specifics here btw. Just don't pretend they're unimportant.

Now we can go back to discussing Jordan Black :)[/quote]

Goat, I remember when Shanny was fired in Denver. He was quoted as saying something to the affect of "Now that I have a chmapioship conteding offense I need to get a defense and start contending for a championship again".

That would leave me to believe that his next steps in completing his 5 year plan will be to stack the defense the next two years while tweaking the offense to create a team capable of accomplishing that goal.

Yes the team had a defense that was ranked back then, but it was over paid veterans who were nearing the end of thier careers. The defense was going to need an overhaul soon, and Shanny wanted the 3-4. He took something that wasn't broke at the time but was heading there and started to reconstruct it. It obviously needs more work, but once again teams aren't built in an off season

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;978105]
That would leave me to believe that his next steps in completing his 5 year plan will be to stack the defense the next two years while tweaking the offense to create a team capable of accomplishing that goal.
[/quote]

I really hope so -- I think he gets some leeway due to the unreal number of injuries, suspensions etc. which have decimated the defense. But leaders are judged on what is, not what could have been and the defense has done a very average job (much better in recent weeks) this season in my opinion. I really hope the defense gets better, and think it will, next season.

Stats don't tell the whole story but they are the most objective measures we have: 29th in YPG, 30th in PYPG, 23rd in Points per game, 16th in sacks -- not a championship caliber defense. That being said, 6th best in Takeaways and 6th best in RuYPG which is very good. So, incomplete, lots of room for improvement.

Anyways -- back to Jordan Black...

[IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/20/3ybu3a7y.jpg[/IMG]

Jordans......black

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Are we ever gonna get the whole story on this suspension thing? I mean if I am a player and feel wronged like this I am screaming from the mountain top and filing lawsuits and everything.

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Did anyone think we'd care this much about what's going with Jordan Black this season?

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[quote=SmootSmack;978136]Did anyone think we'd care this much about what's going with Jordan Black this season?[/quote]

I am surprised there is an entire thread about it but as I am looking at the comments, it looks like most of the comments have nothing to do with Jordan Black.

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[quote=SmootSmack;978136]Did anyone think we'd care this much about what's going with Jordan Black this season?[/quote]

Not sure if many of us thought we'd care about much at all at this point in the season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;978136]Did anyone think we'd care this much about what's going with Jordan Black this season?[/quote]

Nope. Nor did I ever think that I would miss seeing Polumbus on the field.

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Silly rabbits, this ain't about Jordan Black. This is about the masses flocking to 12th's threads.

[QUOTE=12thMan;978176]Silly rabbits, this ain't about Jordan Black. This is about the masses flocking to 12th's threads.[/QUOTE]

I thought it was about sneakers?

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I'm predicting a blocked field goal and punt this weekend.

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[quote=hooskins;977999]In Soviet Russia, plan has you![/quote]lol

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[quote=The Goat;978078]Yes!

But c'mon buddy, you know I can't just leave it there lol. Just making the playoffs is enough to cement another year of the regime (keeping its current structure) for me. That said, I want to see two consecutive years (presumably this year and next) of improvement before we start signing Shanahans to the next decade of coaching. I think the talk of a clear and recognizable "Shanaplan," extensions, or anything beyond next season is pretty silly right now. [B]I reckon some folks are ready to crown Mike a King and Kyle a prince[/B], I guess because they (fingers crossed) are on the verge of a winning season. It's why I've been rehashing the (vast) shortcomings of the regime in this thread...let's chill the eff out and see what happens.[/quote]

I know I am, because the pinnacle of every season is winning 5 straight games, and now that we've accomplished that, what is there left to accomplish? Let's crown their asses!

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[quote=punch it in;978095][B]Your just hesitant to go all in because your afraid to be pissed off if it blows up again like it has so many times before.[/B] I get it. Alot of us are.
Makes me feel better to know that i got an emphatic yes! Lol. I knew you would be hard pressed to give me a one word answer, but i did get a one word paragraph!
I will never say i told you so Goat, i cant. I publicly pointed out shortcomings while they were losing. However, i think coaches can change, Anything you dont like about Shannys defensive personnel decisions can change. We dont know exactly who is discussing exactly what behind closed doors about personnel but old dogs do learn new tricks contrary to popular belief. I firmly believe on every level that this team is onto something big - for a long while - and that it is not just because they got lucky and landed RG-3.[/quote]

Not really. My skepticism is pretty specific to Shanahan.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;978105]Goat, I remember when Shanny was fired in Denver. He was quoted as saying something to the affect of "Now that I have a chmapioship conteding offense I need to get a defense and start contending for a championship again".

That would leave me to believe that his next steps in completing his 5 year plan will be to stack the defense the next two years while tweaking the offense to create a team capable of accomplishing that goal.

Yes the team had a defense that was ranked back then, but it was over paid veterans who were nearing the end of thier careers. The defense was going to need an overhaul soon, and Shanny wanted the 3-4. He took something that wasn't broke at the time but was heading there and started to reconstruct it. It obviously needs more work, but once again teams aren't built in an off season[/quote]

Good post. Shanny had some solid defenses between Elway's retirement and his own ousting, but [I]most [/I]Denver fans (all the ones I know) don't believe he could put it all together to be a contender after Elway. And most fans believe that had everything to do with Mike taking an ever larger role in personnel decisions, to the point where he was basically wearing both hats.

I think those criticisms are accurate and justified but there's always more to the story. Shanahan/Elway never faced the kind of high powered offenses and defenses the following decade produced in NE, Indy, and (begrudgingly) Pittsburgh. I always thought Shanahan's teams were on the sloppy side, just as we see today with more penalties than any other team etc etc. But for that brief time in Denver he had a team that was unbelievably talented, and again it was a rather low point elsewhere in the NFL.

Today, Mike is still wearing both hats. Some supporters say we have little talent three years in (which always makes me wonder why the eff they're supporters). I think we have some good talent. I thought we had enough talent to finish 8-8 minimum this season, and that was before we saw RG play.

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[quote=Lotus;978150]Nope. Nor did I ever think that I would miss seeing [B]Polumbus[/B] on the field.[/quote]

He was soooooooo bad against the Browns. Watched the game again yesterday, and it's scary to think the guys behind him could be worse.

[QUOTE=The Goat;978252]Not really. My skepticism is pretty specific to Shanahan.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the Spurriers and Zorns and Vinnies of years past have made the Redskins winning seem like an impossible chore. Shanny is without a doubt a better candidate than those clowns. Open up your heart and let Shanny in Goat. Feel the love man!
Lol

In general, I don't think its too uncommon to have a coach drive personnel decisions too. Isn't it pretty common? I don't know how many more teams have a pure personnel GM, who operates in a silo from the head coach.

I do think you have a few owners, who play the GM role, and we've seen how that has worked in DC. Its good we've moved away from that.

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[quote=punch it in;978257]Yeah but the Spurriers and Zorns and Vinnies of years past have made the Redskins winning seem like an impossible chore. Shanny is without a doubt a better candidate than those clowns. Open up your heart and let Shanny in Goat. Feel the love man!
Lol[/quote]

But they [I]were[/I] clowns. That's like saying you're a real nice guy compared to Charles Manson lol

[QUOTE=punch it in;978257]Yeah but the Spurriers and Zorns and Vinnies of years past have made the Redskins winning seem like an impossible chore. Shanny is without a doubt a better candidate than those clowns. Open up your heart and let Shanny in Goat. Feel the love man!
Lol[/QUOTE]

Don't waste your time punch. Sometimes folks gets so caught into a belief or thought they can't admit they may be wrong or enjoy anything.

I wish we could make people see clearly and enjoy what they have. To each their own, I guess.