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[quote=NC_Skins;985304]Why do you feel this way?[/quote]

Well for one, Dr. Andrews is on the payroll for the explicit purpose of treating injured players. Everyone in the stadium knew that RG3 had gotten hurt when he came off the field in Baltimore. Dr. Andrews has to go find him. It's not up to RG3 to seek Andrews out.

Secondly, Shanahan probably asked some other coach/staff member on the sideline something to the extent of "Check on Robert (while I actually, you know, coach the game)". Few minutes later..."What's up with Robert?" Asst Coach: "Says he's fine."

"ok"

In other words, Shanahan probably left it up to others, including Dr. Andrews, to update on the status of RG3 while he tended to the game. Someone, someones, gave him the assurance RG3 was good to go and he went with it.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-playoff-loss-cannot-dampen-their-surprising-season/2013/01/06/c53500dc-5864-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_story.html]Washington Redskins’ playoff loss cannot dampen their surprising season - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=milellie111;985327]Everyone is so happy to just call this a successful overachieving season and how much we accomplished with injuries. I for one am not satisfied, however this is innexscusable. Seattle WAS NOT the better team and You dont score 14 points early in the 1st quarter and not score again at home without calling it bad coaching. Morris had 60 yards on 11 rushes in the first half yet you go away from him. [B]You clearly see your QB limping on 1 leg in the FIRST quarter yet mike thinks he'll be able to finish the game effective and keep him in[/B].3rd and 10 and 3rd and 12 the defense cant get off the field. Sad,because in a playoff game when you are up 14 -0 at home and you have momentum from the crowd to keep running it down their throats and control the game, the coaches lay down and are satisfied with a 14-13 lead for most of the game which we all knew the inevitable. It never clicked in the coaches heads that this is the playoffs and losers go home. I am not satisfied or happy because this game should have been a win. This game to me was easier than Dallas, Bmore and NY Giants however [B]we played down to Seattle, got conservative and gave the game away[/B].[/quote]

You answered your own statement, with an injured QB, we could only do so much. You can only grind Morris so much before you have to pass and RG3 wasn't getting it done. That knee nagged him to the point where his passing was, pretty terrible. Maybe it's RG3's fault for being stubborn and staying in when he should've thrown in the towel, maybe it's Shanahan's fault for not pulling RG3 at half. But we had to play conservative to protect an already injured QB.

I think we should've won and possibly could've if Cousins was put in at the half but, it is what it is.

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[quote=SmootSmack;985331][B]Well for one, Dr. Andrews is on the payroll for the explicit purpose of treating injured players. Everyone in the stadium knew that RG3 had gotten hurt when he came off the field in Baltimore. Dr. Andrews has to go find him. It's not up to RG3 to seek Andrews out.[/B]

Secondly, Shanahan probably asked some other coach/staff member on the sideline something to the extent of "Check on Robert (while I actually, you know, coach the game)". Few minutes later..."What's up with Robert?" Asst Coach: "Says he's fine."

"ok"

In other words, Shanahan probably left it up to others, including Dr. Andrews, to update on the status of RG3 while he tended to the game. Someone, someones, gave him the assurance RG3 was good to go and he went with it.[/quote]

I can believe this scenario happening. The bold part I've highlighted concerns me and something that Skinzman brought up here.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/50918-rg3-cleared-to-play-update-16.html#post984144[/url]

It was a very valid point and something that needs to be addressed. Seems like failure all the way around. Dr. Andrews in the Dec 10 game, and Mike in this game. Hell, listening to Dr. Andrews and his concerns about the knee, you have to worry about why he was even playing to begin with. (understand he passed the tests)

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I feel like we can 2nd guess this crap to death, in the end though it doesn't overshadow the fact we had a damn good season. I'm already moving on and getting ready for the offseason. Bring on free agency and the draft!

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[quote=milellie111;985327]Everyone is so happy to just call this a successful overachieving season and how much we accomplished with injuries. I for one am not satisfied, however this is innexscusable. Seattle WAS NOT the better team and You dont score 14 points early in the 1st quarter and not score again at home without calling it bad coaching. Morris had 60 yards on 11 rushes in the first half yet you go away from him. You clearly see your QB limping on 1 leg in the FIRST quarter yet mike thinks he'll be able to finish the game effective and keep him in.3rd and 10 and 3rd and 12 the defense cant get off the field. Sad,because in a playoff game when you are up 14 -0 at home and you have momentum from the crowd to keep running it down their throats and control the game, the coaches lay down and are satisfied with a 14-13 lead for most of the game which we all knew the inevitable. It never clicked in the coaches heads that this is the playoffs and losers go home. I am not satisfied or happy because this game should have been a win. This game to me was easier than Dallas, Bmore and NY Giants however we played down to Seattle, got conservative and gave the game away.[/quote]

You expected us to lose every game down the stretch...and now you're bitching?

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[quote=SmootSmack;985343]You expected us to lose every game down the stretch...and now you're bitching?[/quote]



:rofl:


That made my night. Thanks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;985343]You expected us to lose every game down the stretch...and now you're bitching?[/quote]

Rabble rabble rabble! I demand heads! Fire the coaches! Cut RG3! Riot at Fedex! That'll show em!

Re: Not Satisfied And Neither Should You
 

[quote=milellie111;985327]Everyone is so happy to just call this a successful overachieving season and how much we accomplished with injuries. I for one am not satisfied, however this is innexscusable. Seattle WAS NOT the better team and You dont score 14 points early in the 1st quarter and not score again at home without calling it bad coaching. Morris had 60 yards on 11 rushes in the first half yet you go away from him. You clearly see your QB limping on 1 leg in the FIRST quarter yet mike thinks he'll be able to finish the game effective and keep him in.3rd and 10 and 3rd and 12 the defense cant get off the field. Sad,because in a playoff game when you are up 14 -0 at home and you have momentum from the crowd to keep running it down their throats and control the game, the coaches lay down and are satisfied with a 14-13 lead for most of the game which we all knew the inevitable. It never clicked in the coaches heads that this is the playoffs and losers go home. I am not satisfied or happy because this game should have been a win. This game to me was easier than Dallas, Bmore and NY Giants however we played down to Seattle, got conservative and gave the game away.[/quote]

We are now considered a much better team than Seattle?

We went from a bunch of no talent bums with a past his prime Coach who hires his family over good football people and couldnt recognize a good player to build a football team to a team that should never lose again... and my ice hasnt even melted in my coke yet...

Being a Redskins fan can be confusing at times.

Just a note to think about for the future:

2 rookie candidates for Rookie of the Year (out of 5 total).

Won the last 7 Rookie of the Week's of the season. As well as winning 11 of the 17 ROW's total for the year (Griffin - 7, Morris - 3, KC - 1). Redskins rookies won it 11 times, the rest of the rookies in the NFL won it 6 times, with Luck grabbing 3 of those.

The future looks bright. HTTR!

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[quote=Mattyk;985337]I feel like we can 2nd guess this crap to death, in the end though it doesn't overshadow the fact we had a damn good season. I'm already moving on and getting ready for the offseason. Bring on free agency and the draft![/quote]

Amen.

I am not happy it is over, but this season was much better than I expected and the future looks bright. Now it's time to look at how this team can take another step or two towards the ultimate goal...

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[quote=NC_Skins;985304]Why do you feel this way?[/quote]

Hey, it's Washington, if he told you he'd have to kill you!

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shanahan coached griff's knee right into peril, milli vanilli saw it

I want to rewind to14-0. The turning point to me was when we were driving again and it was 3rd and 2. Griff had plenty of room to pick up the two yards. He didnt even really have to run it was like take a step or two and go down. He wound up throwing a bad ball in the dirt and i felt like thats when the air started coming out of the balloon.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;985343]You expected us to lose every game down the stretch...and now you're bitching?[/QUOTE]

oh that's fresh

[QUOTE=los panda;985356]shanahan coached griff's knee right into peril, milli vanilli saw it[/QUOTE]

blame it on the Shanny

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[quote=los panda;985356]shanahan coached griff's knee right into peril, milli vanilli saw it[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123086/article/mike-shanahan-we-wouldnt-risk-further-injury-to-rg3]Mike Shanahan: We wouldn't risk further injury to RG3 - NFL.com[/url]
[quote]... Griffin aggravated the injury on a rollout in the second quarter, leading to a brief trip to the Washington locker room area to get taped up. At halftime, Shanahan asked Griffin if he was healthy enough to continue.

"Robert said to me, 'Coach, there's a difference between injured and being hurt. I can guarantee I'm hurting right now, give me a chance to win this football game because I guarantee I'm not injured,' " Shanahan said. "That was enough for me."[/quote]

Shanny isn't the person to blame in this situation

[QUOTE=Mattyk;985363]blame it on the Shanny[/QUOTE]

I hate MS! That POS won us 10 games and the nfce! Douche

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'Nuff blame to go around. It wasn't our best game, and it was one that in hindsight if things were handled differently, yeah we probably could have pulled it off. I don't believe that Shanny would intentionally risk the future of the club or Robert by keeping him out there though. The thought process was probably as such that he believed Robert gave the team the best chance to win. Maybe Cousins comes in and leads the team to victory...maybe he comes in and throws two INTs and loses the game...who knows. I do wish they hadn't abandoned the running game though, or maybe it was just me...but it seemed like Morris didn't get many touches after the first quarter. It felt at times that Kyle was outsmarting himself out there.

Can't wait until next year :)

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/47914/rg-iii-should-have-come-out-of-the-game]RG III should have come out of the game - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]


Dan Graziano does some good work for ESPN, and he hit another home run with this blog.

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I blame Montgomery for the horrible snaps! Seriously though, what was up with him? Kerrigan looked confused and slow all game, but maybe bad ankle? No pass rush from front four in critical 3rd downs. Bs interference call on hall. Fumble into a 20 yard gain? Come on. Abandoned the run. Too many blunders. Just hope rg is ok. Even if it is acl, look at Petersen.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;985337]I feel like we can 2nd guess this crap to death, in the end though it doesn't overshadow the fact we had a damn good season. I'm already moving on and getting ready for the offseason. Bring on free agency and the draft![/QUOTE]

1000 x's this

great season NFC EAST CHAMPS

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;985374][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/47914/rg-iii-should-have-come-out-of-the-game]RG III should have come out of the game - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]


Dan Graziano does some good work for ESPN, and he hit another home run with this blog.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Its a head scratcher for sure. The offense before and after that play where Griff aggravated it was night and day. Like he says maybe KC doesnt win but if he had led us to even a fg over the final three quarters it was more than what we got.
No choice but to chalk it up as a bad day at the office. The important thing now is # 10 gets ultra healthy and we sure up some holes and get out injured players back. If we go into next season with all healthy and a couple of upgrades than nobody is beating us.

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Good season. Robert is going to get healthy for next season and that is all that matters. What's done is done and people can bitch about the decisions made on the field today all they want, but this was one hell of a run.

Redskins gonna get better.

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[quote=GridIron26;985366][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123086/article/mike-shanahan-we-wouldnt-risk-further-injury-to-rg3]Mike Shanahan: We wouldn't risk further injury to RG3 - NFL.com[/url]


Shanny isn't the person to blame in this situation[/quote]

Ummmm. The HC has the final say for the team on gamedays. You play. You don't play etc. etc. This is also on Shanahan because he clearly saw that his player was hurt and just because he wanted to play, doesn't mean you play him. Thats where your coaching comes in and you use your own judgement, not listen to your crippled QB. Of course he wants to play, RG3 has heart, but there comes a point--or a line--where you say Ok if he clearly doesn't look good and is in clear pain, yet wants to play, maybe he's not the best option and I shouldn't risk my future with him.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;985387]Ummmm. The HC has the final say for the team on gamedays. You play. You don't play etc. etc. This is also on Shanahan because he clearly saw that his player was hurt and just because he wanted to play, doesn't mean you play him. Thats where your coaching comes in and you use your own judgement, not listen to your crippled QB. Of course he wants to play, RG3 has heart, but there comes a point--or a line--where you say Ok if he clearly doesn't look good and is in clear pain, yet wants to play, maybe he's not the best option and I shouldn't risk my future with him.[/quote]

You are right but it is not simple as it looked like. Shanny obviously contemplated the idea of pulling Griffin out of the game but Griffin convinced him not to. Based on this move, it seem like Griffin has earned Shanny's trust before this game and Shanny decided to bank on it. People always want to blame someone and Shanny is the easiest target to blame it on. Perhaps you guys should blame it on Montgomery for snapping the ball low to the point where Griffin could not pick it up and aggravated the injury? Or even blame it on Griffin for not swallow his pride and decide to step down? There were several factors that collided together to this point, there is no simple answer.

This situation is something that I'm not upset about. I thought we should have played Cousins in 2nd half, but I am not upset at Shanny for not making the move. Shanny did what he believed was right and I'm sticking with him. I love coaches who does what he/she believes is right and not give in to outsiders' wishes.

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[quote=GridIron26;985392]You are right but it is not simple as it looked like. Shanny obviously contemplated the idea of pulling Griffin out of the game but Griffin convinced him not to. Based on this move, it seem like Griffin has earned Shanny's trust before this game and Shanny decided to bank on it. People always want to blame someone and Shanny is the easiest target to blame it on. Perhaps you guys should blame it on Montgomery for snapping the ball low to the point where Griffin could not pick it up and aggravated the injury? Or even blame it on Griffin for not swallow his pride and decide to step down? There were several factors that collided together to this point, there is no simple answer.

This situation is something that I'm not upset about. I thought we should have played Cousins in 2nd half, but I am not upset at Shanny for not making the move. Shanny did what he believed was right and I'm sticking with him. I love coaches who does what he/she believes is right and not give in to outsiders' wishes.[/quote] Nice post . Funny how people are ripping the coach and RG111 for playing hurt , when many ripped Cutler for not playing hurt ( referring to media ) . I wish we had put KC in , but RG111 is our General .

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Pull him or don't pull him; once the decision had to be made the game was lost anyway. Seattle is a better team to start with; there's no way we're beating them without a healthy RGIII.

[QUOTE=Coff;985399]Pull him or don't pull him; once the decision had to be made the game was lost anyway. Seattle is a better team to start with; there's no way we're beating them without a healthy RGIII.[/QUOTE]

Everyone can keep blowing smoke all they want. I didn't see a team that was better then the Skins. 14-13 with 8 minutes left & a qb that completed 5 passes in the 2nd half.

Yes we lost but after the 1st quarter Griffin wasn't even close to what he was against Dallas and we all know he wasn't much in that game.

I came away far more impressed with our team than the hype of Seattle.

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[quote=Gtothearry;985406]Everyone can keep blowing smoke all they want. I didn't see a team that was better then the Skins. 14-13 with 8 minutes left & a qb that completed 5 passes in the 2nd half.

Yes we lost but after the 1st quarter Griffin wasn't even close to what he was against Dallas and we all know he wasn't much in that game.

[B]I came away far more impressed with our team than the hype of Seattle[/B].[/quote]

Are you kidding me? At one point late in the game we had 143 yards of offense. They fumbled on the one yard line. Wilson missed a couple of routine TD passes. We were outplayed by a better team. Even with RG3 healthy is there any way to say we win the game? Does he play defense too? Is anyone around here capable of just giving Seattle credit? They're a damn good football team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;985408]Are you kidding me? At one point late in the game we had 143 yards of offense. They fumbled on the one yard line. Wilson missed a couple of routine TD passes. We were outplayed by a better team. Even with RG3 healthy is there any way to say we win the game? Does he play defense too? Is anyone around here capable of just giving Seattle credit? They're a damn good football team.[/quote]

I agree. There were two plays on the same drive where Wilson missed wide open receivers and they had to settle for field goals. They fumbled the ball on the one yard line with a running back who usually can get you 6 down there. We allowed them to convert key third downs and committed penalties at the worst times. Redskins allowed 224 yards on the ground at 6.1 YPC. How many games do you think you will win with that kind of defense? Only way the Skins win and definitively the only way the Skins would win in ATL is with a healthy RG3. Great season. Skins lost to a better team.

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[quote=GridIron26;985392]You are right but it is not simple as it looked like. Shanny obviously contemplated the idea of pulling Griffin out of the game but Griffin convinced him not to. Based on this move, it seem like Griffin has earned Shanny's trust before this game and Shanny decided to bank on it. People always want to blame someone and Shanny is the easiest target to blame it on. Perhaps you guys should blame it on Montgomery for snapping the ball low to the point where Griffin could not pick it up and aggravated the injury? Or even blame it on Griffin for not swallow his pride and decide to step down? There were several factors that collided together to this point, there is no simple answer.

This situation is something that I'm not upset about. I thought we should have played Cousins in 2nd half, but I am not upset at Shanny for not making the move. Shanny did what he believed was right and I'm sticking with him. I love coaches who does what he/she believes is right and not give in to outsiders' wishes.[/quote]

I agree that he should have pulled RG3 at halftime. But I also think RG3 has earned the right to stay in the game and that's why we wasn't pulled. He's earned MS's trust. RG3 was hurting the team and should have pulled himself, but we know that wasn't going to happen. I think they're both to blame.

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[quote=donofriose;985410]I agree. There were two plays on the same drive where Wilson missed wide open receivers and they had to settle for field goals. They fumbled the ball on the one yard line with a running back who usually can get you 6 down there. We allowed them to convert key third downs and committed penalties at the worst times. [B]Redskins allowed 224 yards on the ground at 6.1 YPC. How many games do you think you will win with that kind of defense?[/B] Only way the Skins win and definitively the only way the Skins would win in ATL is with a healthy RG3. Great season. Skins lost to a better team.[/quote]

Not many if any. They gave us a taste of our own medicine when they're offense was on the field.

So I check pft today and they are saying the skins fear that griffs injury is worse this time around.. fml. Good morning to me, oh and that Fletcher may have played his last game yesterday..

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[quote=los panda;985356]shanahan coached griff's knee right into peril, milli vanilli saw it[/quote]
THAT's BS....he clearly held his knee.....back

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;985408]Are you kidding me? At one point late in the game we had 143 yards of offense. They fumbled on the one yard line. Wilson missed a couple of routine TD passes. We were outplayed by a better team. Even with RG3 healthy is there any way to say we win the game? Does he play defense too? Is anyone around here capable of just giving Seattle credit? They're a damn good football team.[/QUOTE]

Griffin doesn't play defense but if he completes a few passes those drives never take place.

I guess Griffins inadequate play had nothing to do with the 143 yard output?

How many yards did we put up before the knee injury? 129 in the 1st & after that he was done.

A injury and a bad coaching decision did far more damage than the Seattle D or O.

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[quote=NC_Skins;985374][URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/47914/rg-iii-should-have-come-out-of-the-game"]RG III should have come out of the game - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/URL]


Dan Graziano does some good work for ESPN, and he hit another home run with this blog.[/quote]
Tony K does not agree....
Lots of differing opinions

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[quote=Gtothearry;985419]Griffin doesn't play defense but if he completes a few passes those drives never take place.

I guess Griffins inadequate play had nothing to do with the 143 yard output?

How many yards did we put up before the knee injury? A injury and a bad coaching decision did far more damage than the Seattle D or O.[/quote]

I'm just not the type that thinks that when we lose a game and are clearly outplayed, that it was all our doing. We gave up 200+ on the ground. We just didn't get the job done.

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Great season, I just hated seeing them go out like that. I hate what if losses. "What if Griff was 100%? Looking foward to free agency and the draft. It is just the idea that we don't play another meaningful game until September is the part I always hate.

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Great game by Reed Doughty, I have been a hater of him for sometime but he was lights out last night. Chasing down Wilson and all.

I hate the Seahawks! I am so glad they got ATL now they have to fly across America again. Go Flacons!!!!!

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;985431]I'm just not the type that thinks that when we lose a game and are clearly outplayed, that it was all our doing. We gave up 200+ on the ground. We just didn't get the job done.[/QUOTE]

We lost and that is all that matters. However, it's hard not to give up big yards when a non injured QB has a 80 yard and 54 yard drive and after the injury..... drives of 13, 3, 23, 4, 17 and -19.