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[quote=CrazyCanuck;994989]The answer as always - Vinny.

"Vinny Cerrato has traded two 1sts, two 2nds, and two 3rds - for $5M in cap space. The Redskins used the $5M to sign free agent safety Adam Archuleta."[/quote]

Wow......that really makes you.......spit up in your mouth.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;994989]The answer as always - Vinny.

"Vinny Cerrato has traded two 1sts, two 2nds, and two 3rds - for $5M in cap space. The Redskins used the $5M to sign free agent safety Adam Archuleta."[/quote]

Thank God those days are over.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/22/will-redskins-final-appeal-of-salary-cap-reduction-be-informal/]Will Redskins’ final appeal of salary cap reduction be ‘informal’?[/url]

Looks like the final appeal will be an informal one.

Translation: "Bro, come on..."

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Time to move on from this. I really do not care about the cap space. Not a real big deal. Hopefully we can get everyone back healthy, have a great draft and maybe add a piece here and there through free agency.

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@Rich_Campbell: My top takeaway from Indy: the Redskins' $18M cap penalty is quite disruptive, per NFL sources. Tough decisions, frustration lie ahead.

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Looking on the bright side, we'll be able to sign every blue-chip FA in 2014 because our payroll will be so low.

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[quote=Mattyk;995345]@Rich_Campbell: My top takeaway from Indy: the Redskins' $18M cap penalty is quite disruptive, per NFL sources. Tough decisions, frustration lie ahead.[/quote]

If nothing else, at least we are being super annoying

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[quote=Mattyk;995345]@Rich_Campbell: My top takeaway from Indy: the Redskins' $18M cap penalty is quite disruptive, per NFL sources. Tough decisions, frustration lie ahead.[/quote]

Not sure how to read that one

Edit: looked it up...he meant were screwed

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[quote=Mattyk;995345]@Rich_Campbell: My top takeaway from Indy: the Redskins' $18M cap penalty is quite disruptive, per NFL sources. Tough decisions, frustration lie ahead.[/quote]

Well according to HTTR 247, we're about to restructure Halls Deal, so that should soften it a little.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/25/redskins-put-contract-talks-on-hold-as-they-work-to-recoup-salary-cap-space/]Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space[/url]

"The Redskins have put contract negotiations with some of their players on hold, telling agents and players they remain hopeful they can recoup some of the salary cap space that was cut by the NFL last year, according to several people familiar with the situation.

Redskins officials have told those agents and players that they cannot negotiate in earnest until the salary cap matter is resolved. The players include some eligible for free agency in March and others who face the possibility of release unless their contracts are reworked, those people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the team does not want such issues discussed publicly.

The team has told parties involved that it hopes to reach a resolution by late this week."

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;995400][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/25/redskins-put-contract-talks-on-hold-as-they-work-to-recoup-salary-cap-space/]Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space[/url]

"The Redskins have put contract negotiations with some of their players on hold, telling agents and players they remain hopeful they can recoup some of the salary cap space that was cut by the NFL last year, according to several people familiar with the situation.

Redskins officials have told those agents and players that they cannot negotiate in earnest until the salary cap matter is resolved. The players include some eligible for free agency in March and others who face the possibility of release unless their contracts are reworked, those people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the team does not want such issues discussed publicly.

[B]The team has told parties involved that it hopes to reach a resolution by late this week."[/B][/quote]

It couldn't be much later than the end of this week if we want to re-sign folks before FA starts.

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[quote=Lotus;995401]It couldn't be much later than the end of this week if we want to re-sign folks before FA starts.[/quote]

Right. Realize we've been grasping at straws in this thread for weeks/months, but to me this is a fairly significant report. If it is to be believed (and is not just more posturing vis a vis the agent community), it indicates that the Redskins FO thinks there is a chance they are going to get some of this cap room back. Obviously a big "if."

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;995400][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/25/redskins-put-contract-talks-on-hold-as-they-work-to-recoup-salary-cap-space/]Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space[/url]

"The Redskins have put contract negotiations with some of their players on hold, telling agents and players they remain hopeful they can recoup some of the salary cap space that was cut by the NFL last year, according to several people familiar with the situation.

Redskins officials have told those agents and players that they cannot negotiate in earnest until the salary cap matter is resolved. The players include some eligible for free agency in March and others who face the possibility of release unless their contracts are reworked, those people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the team does not want such issues discussed publicly.

The team has told parties involved that it hopes to reach a resolution by late this week."[/quote]
Yeah, this can't go on much further because of the need to get resolution on our own free agents or even contracts that can/need to be redone in order to create room.. The owners meeting isn't until after free agency starts so that won't be an option. Any chance Snyder decks Mara in the lobby?

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In the movies/TV dramas, Snyder would have hired a PI to dig up dirt on Mara, and forced him to make a change. Anyone got a good Polaroid?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;995407]In the movies/TV dramas, Snyder would have hired a PI to dig up dirt on Mara, and forced him to make a change. Anyone got a good Polaroid?[/quote]

They'd have to find dirt on every owner that voted against us. It's not just Mara.

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[quote=NC_Skins;995411]They'd have to find dirt on every owner that voted against us. It's not just Mara.[/quote]

I know, but it's a political thing, get dirt on one or two, and the rest will fall in line. If Mara came out in support of another 2 year split of the penalty, then everyone else would go along. And also, of course, my post was in fact 100% serious, with no sarcasm or joking at all.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;995412]I know, but it's a political thing, get dirt on one or two, and the rest will fall in line. If Mara came out in support of another 2 year split of the penalty, then everyone else would go along. And also, of course, my post was in fact 100% serious, with no sarcasm or joking at all.[/quote]

Screw joking. That was a viable plan and I'm all for it. If they want to do illegal under handed stuff, than so should we.

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WP updated their article from earlier with this:

"Update: 3:37: Redskins officials have told people in the league that they are considering going to court to seek an injunction that would hold up the start of free agency or threatening that move in a bid to bolster their negotiating leverage with the league. Those conversations were confirmed by two people with knowledge of them.
Both said that the Redskins have compelling arguments they could make in an attempt to convince a judge that they would suffer irreparable harm if they are not granted an injunction. But others familiar with the case have said they don’t believe the Redskins have legal arguments that weren’t already considered, and rejected, by an arbitrator."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/25/redskins-put-contract-talks-on-hold-as-they-work-to-recoup-salary-cap-space/]Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space–Updated[/url]

Love that they're going to the mat on this. They won't win in court though. Leverage is all they can hope for.

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;995425]WP updated their article from earlier with this:

"Update: 3:37: Redskins officials have told people in the league that they are considering going to court to seek an injunction that would hold up the start of free agency or threatening that move in a bid to bolster their negotiating leverage with the league. Those conversations were confirmed by two people with knowledge of them.
Both said that the Redskins have compelling arguments they could make in an attempt to convince a judge that they would suffer irreparable harm if they are not granted an injunction. But others familiar with the case have said they don’t believe the Redskins have legal arguments that weren’t already considered, and rejected, by an arbitrator."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/25/redskins-put-contract-talks-on-hold-as-they-work-to-recoup-salary-cap-space/]Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space–Updated[/url]

[B]Love that they're going to the mat on this. They won't win in court though. Leverage is all they can hope for[/B].[/quote]

Yeah it's worth one last ditch effort. Even if we just got $9M of that cap space back it would be a big win.

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[quote=Mattyk;995426]Yeah it's worth one last ditch effort. Even if we just got $9M of that cap space back it would be a big win.[/quote]

Completely agree. Would make a big difference.

Re: Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away
 

[quote=RedskinsInNYC;995425]WP updated their article from earlier with this:

"Update: 3:37: Redskins officials have told people in the league that they are considering going to court to seek an injunction that would hold up the start of free agency or threatening that move in a bid to bolster their negotiating leverage with the league. Those conversations were confirmed by two people with knowledge of them.
Both said that the Redskins have compelling arguments they could make in an attempt to convince a judge that they would suffer irreparable harm if they are not granted an injunction. But others familiar with the case have said they don’t believe the Redskins have legal arguments that weren’t already considered, and rejected, by an arbitrator."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/25/redskins-put-contract-talks-on-hold-as-they-work-to-recoup-salary-cap-space/]Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space–Updated[/url]

Love that they're going to the mat on this. They won't win in court though. Leverage is all they can hope for.[/quote]

good job keeping up with this.

What do we got to lose at this point? Id say go for it

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[quote=Mattyk;995426]Yeah it's worth one last ditch effort. Even if we just got $9M of that cap space back it would be a big win.[/quote]

Agreed. The nfl is a weird business; they fine teams for wanting to spend money on players, and fine players for not dressing accordingly, yet don't fine players for pushing referees.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;995345]@Rich_Campbell: My top takeaway from Indy: the Redskins' $18M cap penalty is quite disruptive, per NFL sources. Tough decisions, frustration lie ahead.[/QUOTE]

With a healthy RG-3 we got a punchers chance no matter what happens.

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[quote=Chico23231;995431][B]good job keeping up with this.[/B]

What do we got to lose at this point? Id say go for it[/quote]

Amazing what a slow day at work can do...

Have to give the Skins FO (under Bruce Allen) credit for working the media to their advantage. All we can do is have faith in their PR strategy at this point. Can't see what the legal argument is that the NFLPA hasn't already made to Judge Doty (and lost). "Irreparable harm" is not a cause of action, it is one of the requirements for a TRO. Also need likelihood of success on the merits of whatever it is they are alleging as their cause of action.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/25/redskins-considering-nuclear-option-to-restore-cap-space/]Redskins considering nuclear option to restore cap space | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;995436]Amazing what a slow day at work can do...

Have to give the Skins FO (under Bruce Allen) credit for working the media to their advantage. All we can do is have faith in their PR strategy at this point. Can't see what the legal argument is that the NFLPA hasn't already made to Judge Doty (and lost). "Irreparable harm" is not a cause of action, it is one of the requirements for a TRO. Also need likelihood of success on the merits of whatever it is they are alleging as their cause of action.[/quote]

Remember that the NFLPA case is entirely separate from anything that the Redskins might argue in court. It would be huge if the Skins were to go forward with this, and I think absolutely crazy. But from a NFL perspective, holding up Free Agency, or the start of the league year, or any other aspect, would certainly cause owners to think twice about the fine in it's entirety.

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Go Danny go, kick everyone in the nuts and show them who is king. Make Mara and his cronies regret pulling this stunt.

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From the PFT Article:

[quote]They could bebluffing about going to court in order to get, for example, half of their cap money back (i.e., the $18 million that would apply to this year’s cap). But the NFL could choose to call their bluff and go to court.[/quote]

Snyder took impoverished old ladies to court for not paying their season ticket fees and a newspaper to court for disparaging his wife. Why on earth would the NFL think he wouldnt sue their asses off for illegally colluding to screw him over? If they think he's bluffing, theyre in for a shock.

The league screwed us over on the eve of free agency last year. I love the idea of holding the whole league hostage on the eve of free agency this year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;995442]From the PFT Article:



Snyder took impoverished old ladies to court for not paying their season ticket fees and a newspaper to court for disparaging his wife. Why on earth would the NFL think he wouldnt sue their asses off for illegally colluding to screw him over? If they think he's bluffing, theyre in for a shock.

.[/quote]


....and he lost in both cases.The old lady fought back and won and the paper fought back and everything was drop.

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;995436]Amazing what a slow day at work can do...

Have to give the Skins FO (under Bruce Allen) credit for working the media to their advantage. All we can do is have faith in their PR strategy at this point. Can't see what the legal argument is that the NFLPA hasn't already made to Judge Doty (and lost). "Irreparable harm" is not a cause of action, it is one of the requirements for a TRO. Also need likelihood of success on the merits of whatever it is they are alleging as their cause of action.[/quote]

For one, I'm excited. I bet the other owners are pissed that we might hold Free Agency up by filing. lol.

The NFLPA has lost their claim cause they supposedly signed a contract that they would not file any claim for collusion. The Redskins and Cowboys never signed an agreement and got punished for doing nothing. So if anyone has a claim its the two teams for being punished for not breaking the law (colluding) and god knows the NFL does not want to lose their freedom to do what they want vs being overseen by the feds.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;995439]Remember that the NFLPA case is entirely separate from anything that the Redskins might argue in court. It would be huge if the Skins were to go forward with this, and I think absolutely crazy. But from a NFL perspective, holding up Free Agency, or the start of the league year, or any other aspect, would certainly cause owners to think twice about the fine in it's entirety.[/quote]

I agree with you and think this option is awesome. Lets air the dirty laundry ... collusion. lol.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;995442]From the PFT Article:



[U][B]Snyder took impoverished old ladies to court for not paying their season ticket fees and a newspaper to court for disparaging his wife. Why on earth would the NFL think he wouldnt sue their asses off for illegally colluding to screw him over? If they think he's bluffing, theyre in for a shock.[/B][/U]

The league screwed us over on the eve of free agency last year. I love the idea of holding the whole league hostage on the eve of free agency this year.[/quote]

:hitfan:fn right on man right on.

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Question, so would this just be the Skins or would the Cowboys join the Skins?

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/2/25/4028818/redskins-future-cap-situation]Redskins Future Cap Situation - Hogs Haven[/url]

Something to think about.

[QUOTE=Giantone;995449]Question, so would this just be the Skins or would the Cowboys join the Skins?[/QUOTE]

Unless it had a chance to succeed, I don't think Jerry would join in because he wants to bring the Superbowl to his stadium. Danny knows he won't get a Superbowl anytime soon.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;995450][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/2/25/4028818/redskins-future-cap-situation]Redskins Future Cap Situation - Hogs Haven[/url]

Something to think about.[/quote]

That link discusses 2014.

He does a very thorough analysis of the 2013 cap situation here:
[URL="http://fanspeak.com/washingtonredskins/2013/02/07/washington-redskins-salary-cap-for-2013/"]http://fanspeak.com/washingtonredskins/2013/02/07/washington-redskins-salary-cap-for-2013/[/URL]

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Httr 24/7 mentions that everyone blames Mara, when it was Jeffrey Lurie of the Fecal matters that started this mess.

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While we are bashing the Mara's, why not:

[url]http://www.lohud.com/article/20130225/NEWS02/302240017[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;995453]Httr 24/7 mentions that everyone blames Mara, when it was Jeffrey Lurie of the Fecal matters that started this mess.[/quote]

It doesn't matter who started it. The majority of the league agreed to it. Goodell signed off on it. Mara dished it out.... then ran his mouth about how we got lucky and should have been docked worse. Shaft them all. Hold up Free Agency. Scare the crap out of the league that they could possibly lose their freedom and might fall under federal regulations and possibly be forced to pay both teams as well as the NFLPA a monitary sum to include damages. ;)

Right now yeah the league would win, why? cause of unwritten agreements, rights signed away, and autonomy. Let it get to the right court where none of these apply and see how the league colluded against the players (illegal), bribed the NFLPA to agree to the punishements or lose money (illegal), punished both teams with out taking the topic to the owners meeting first and allowing the two teams to explain why they did what they did and why they should not be punished.

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;995425]WP updated their article from earlier with this:

"Update: 3:37: Redskins officials have told people in the league that they are considering going to court to seek an injunction that would hold up the start of free agency or threatening that move in a bid to bolster their negotiating leverage with the league. Those conversations were confirmed by two people with knowledge of them.
Both said that the Redskins have compelling arguments they could make in an attempt to convince a judge that they would suffer irreparable harm if they are not granted an injunction. But others familiar with the case have said they don’t believe the Redskins have legal arguments that weren’t already considered, and rejected, by an arbitrator."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/02/25/redskins-put-contract-talks-on-hold-as-they-work-to-recoup-salary-cap-space/]Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space–Updated[/url]

Love that they're going to the mat on this. They won't win in court though. Leverage is all they can hope for.[/quote]It all sounds like fanciful thinking to me. OTOH, I wish the Redskins had gotten an injunction the very next day after Mara and Goodell started this crap: The cap penalty on the literal eve of free agency last year.

Sure it would have made practically all the other owners mad at us. (And if there's any justice, anger at Mara too when he starts flapping his pale gums.) But seeing how the group went along with screwing us anyways, in hindsight there was no reason for us to play nice on this. Where we and the cowboys got punished for not engaging in collusion against the players.