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Giants have climbed wayyyyy up on my Hate Meter.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;1000690]I thought teams were forced to use like 98% of there cap space.[/QUOTE]

not for many more years. somewhere around 2018 I think.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1000691]Giants have climbed wayyyyy up on my Hate Meter.[/QUOTE]

I agree, even their fans and even my high school friend just seem to be more trollish

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1000685]So on Sirius XM NFL radio this morning Bill Polian was breaking down the salary cap and basically said a conservative amount of cap space GMs leave unused for rookie signings, practice squad players and IR players is $ 8.5-9 million. So does that mean we are screwed?[/QUOTE]

I think the 3,000,000 lets us maneuver for the draft and free agency. Then, once the basic shape of the roster is clear the front office will do the minimum amount of restructures needed to be safe during the regular season.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1000696]I think the 3,000,000 lets us maneuver for the draft and free agency. Then, once the basic shape of the roster is clear the front office will do the minimum amount of restructures needed to be safe during the regular season.[/quote]

We need about $5M for the draft alone.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1000697]We need about $5M for the draft alone.[/QUOTE]

are you sure? i thought it was much less especially with no first.

edit: schneed has our rookie pool impact at 1/2 million.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1000701]are you sure? i thought it was much less especially with no first.[/quote]

$4-5M is generally the cap space needed for all teams for the draft.

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Even with no first rounder?

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[url=http://www.overthecap.com/rookie-pool-estimate.php]» Over the Cap- 2013 NFL Draft Rookie Pool Allocations[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1000704][url=http://www.overthecap.com/rookie-pool-estimate.php]» Over the Cap- 2013 NFL Draft Rookie Pool Allocations[/url][/quote]

Nice link... we're the only team with a Signing bonus allocation less than year one allocation.

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[quote=Mattyk;1000702]$4-5M is generally the cap space needed for all teams for the draft.[/quote]

Yes but it's also for post-draft and inseason moves (ie unsigned free agents, guys go on IR, etc.).

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I am thinking that not having a first round pick means you need a much smaller rookie pool.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1000715]I am thinking that not having a first round pick means you need a much smaller rookie pool.[/quote]

It stands to reason...

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i'd be shocked if we needed more than 4mill for rookies. they'll all basically be vet min deals. only the 2nd round guy is going to get any kind of money, and he's a late pick at that.

plus any of the late rounders that don't make it out of camp disappear. yay for non-guaranteed contracts.

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[quote=That Guy;1000728]i'd be shocked if we needed more than 4mill for rookies. they'll all basically be vet min deals. only the 2nd round guy is going to get any kind of money, and he's a late pick at that.

plus any of the late rounders that don't make it out of camp disappear. yay for non-guaranteed contracts.[/quote]

Polian basically said you need 3-4 mil for the draftees which you know exactly how much based on research of where your draft picks are based on the new rookie wage scale. They would then estimate one to two trades up just to have some wiggle room. They would then evaluate the roster for people they think could be reasonably likely to end up on IR and budget for that. Between that and 8 practice squad guys you are looking at 4-5 mil which put him at his figure of 8.5-9 mil in space.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1000736]Polian basically said you need 3-4 mil for the draftees which you know exactly how much based on research of where your draft picks are based on the new rookie wage scale. They would then estimate one to two trades up just to have some wiggle room. They would then evaluate the roster for people they think could be reasonably likely to end up on IR and budget for that. Between that and 8 practice squad guys you are looking at 4-5 mil which put him at his figure of 8.5-9 mil in space.[/quote]But we don't have a first round pick, which means we need to keep about $800,000 free for the draft class.

Teams with high first round picks need to keep $4-5.5 million on hand. Our rookie class almost drops our salary figure.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1000708]Yes but it's also for post-draft and inseason moves (ie unsigned free agents, guys go on IR, etc.).[/quote]

gotcha

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[quote=SkinzWin;1000736]Polian basically said you need 3-4 mil for the draftees which you know exactly how much based on research of where your draft picks are based on the new rookie wage scale. They would then estimate one to two trades up just to have some wiggle room. They would then evaluate the roster for people they think could be reasonably likely to end up on IR and budget for that. Between that and 8 practice squad guys you are looking at 4-5 mil which put him at his figure of 8.5-9 mil in space.[/quote]

you mean IR rookie draftees that don't get injury settlements, which is likely 1 guy that wouldn't even be in the top 51 anyways. i didn't talk about trades, I said for our DRAFT CLASS. our 2nd round pick will be about 35 maybe? on the top 51, the rest probably don't even register.

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You still only have to the cap space once you actually sign them right? It's not like draft day the NFL docks you xMil for rookie pool

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1000750]You still only have to the cap space once you actually sign them right? It's not like draft day the NFL docks you xMil for rookie pool[/quote]Effectively yes, because they just dock you league minimum per player drafted until they sign.

So if you had less than 51 players under contract, draft day could put you over the cap, in theory.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1000754]Effectively yes, because they just dock you league minimum per player drafted until they sign.

So if you had less than 51 players under contract, draft day could put you over the cap, in theory.[/quote]

well ok, but we have our 51 highest, and I guess my question is, how many rookies from the 3rd thru 7th round will be in the top 51? I wouldn't think any of them, so effectively only our 2nd rounder would possibly be a cap hit of any significance.

For example last years 51st pick, Jerel Worthy for Green Bay, had a cap hit of 717,855.
at number 31 on our roster, but he would knock out AlfMo, so the additional cap hit would only be about 160,000.

I think without the 1st round pick this year our safety cap space is much less than in a normal year. crazy year all around in the skins salary cap world that's for sure.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1000775]well ok, but we have our 51 highest, and I guess my question is, how many rookies from the 3rd thru 7th round will be in the top 51? I wouldn't think any of them, so effectively only our 2nd rounder would possibly be a cap hit of any significance.

For example last years 51st pick, Jerel Worthy for Green Bay, had a cap hit of 717,855.
at number 31 on our roster, but he would knock out AlfMo, so the additional cap hit would only be about 160,000.

I think without the 1st round pick this year our safety cap space is much less than in a normal year. crazy year all around in the skins salary cap world that's for sure.[/quote]

yeah, our 2nd rounder would knock out whoever's #51 right now, and the difference between him and the guy he replaced would be the actual cap hit.

the skins will be paying out 3.5-4mill to drafted/undrafted rookies, but the actual cap hit will be maybe 400k for our #2 pick.

the draft is SOO much better in terms of value since the new CBA.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1000775]well ok, but we have our 51 highest, and I guess my question is, how many rookies from the 3rd thru 7th round will be in the top 51? I wouldn't think any of them, so effectively only our 2nd rounder would possibly be a cap hit of any significance.

For example last years 51st pick, Jerel Worthy for Green Bay, had a cap hit of 717,855.
at number 31 on our roster, but he would knock out AlfMo, so the additional cap hit would only be about 160,000.

I think without the 1st round pick this year our safety cap space is much less than in a normal year. crazy year all around in the skins salary cap world that's for sure.[/quote]You're right. It's negligible.

I mean, once you accept that the Redskins were kind of cornered into a free agency strategy that was probably the best one to take all along, the cap penalty becomes a non issue. It's negative effects are in the past now, and the Redskins can more or less do whatever they want with the remaining free agents, draft, and trades. Getting the money back now would be awesome for cap rollover purposes, but if you look as the penalty as the thing that forced the Redskins to be disciplined in free agency, I think it was overall a net positives.

This is not an endorsement of every move the Redskins made the last two years (Ced Griff, Trueblood were both pointless money dumps), but the tempered approach in free agency has changed our cap/roster talent situation from the worst in the division, to possibly the best.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1000783]You're right. It's negligible.

I mean, once you accept that the Redskins were kind of cornered into a free agency strategy that was probably the best one to take all along, the cap penalty becomes a non issue. It's negative effects are in the past now, and the Redskins can more or less do whatever they want with the remaining free agents, draft, and trades. Getting the money back now would be awesome for cap rollover purposes, but if you look as the penalty as the thing that forced the Redskins to be disciplined in free agency, I think it was overall a net positives.

This is not an endorsement of every move the Redskins made the last two years (Ced Griff, Trueblood were both pointless money dumps), but the tempered approach in free agency has changed our cap/roster talent situation from the worst in the division, to possibly the best.[/quote]

I don't agree that the cap penalty was a positive. If the Redskins hadn't had the penalty, I think the FO would have still had a disciplined approach, but the talent level of our FAs would be way higher. The cap penalty forced us to take the mid tier FA approach. Think of the talent we could have picked up if we had had an extra 18 million.

But this is all just: :bdh:

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or think of the future or front-loading of contracts that money could have gone to...

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From Tandler:
[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/04/redskins-over-the-cap.html]Redskins over the cap? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

He provided this link updated a few times a day:
[URL="https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51"]https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51[/URL]

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1002515]From Tandler:
[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/04/redskins-over-the-cap.html]Redskins over the cap? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

He provided this link updated a few times a day:
[URL="https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51"]https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51[/URL][/quote]

It is really difficult to justify having a Salary Cap to keep things competitive for small market teams when there are perennially losing teams like Cleveland ($33,000,000), Jacksonville ($27,000,000), Tamps Bay ($26,500,000), Cincinnati ($25,000,000) under the cap and refuse to spend. These owner just take the TV money and pocket it. Cheap. It is a disgrace because they do not even try to field a winning team.
Is it not enough that the NFL splits all of the profits evenly among all the owners/teams regardless of how much money generating that team brings to the NFL table? I hear Jacksonville's season ticket holders base is so small it is an embarrassment.

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[url=http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1595844-5-largest-salary-cap-hits-for-the-washington-redskins-in-2013/page/5]5 Largest Salary Cap Hits for the Washington Redskins in 2013 | Bleacher Report[/url]

Interesting read.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1002553][URL="http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1595844-5-largest-salary-cap-hits-for-the-washington-redskins-in-2013/page/5"]5 Largest Salary Cap Hits for the Washington Redskins in 2013 | Bleacher Report[/URL]

Interesting read.[/quote]

Cofield's salary is absurd relative to his importance to the defense and performance among DT's league-wide. Can't believe anyone has the gall to bitch about paying Fletcher when Cofield is earning that :doh:

Garcon is (still) far too inconsistent a threat to command anywhere near what the FO paid him either. Not just his injury status, which is still a concern, but looking at his overall production in the NFL. Remember, this is a guy who still can't break 1000 yards in a season. Hopefully he rebounds and earns that contract starting this season.

To think we could have paid just a little more this off-season for a guy like Mike Wallace. Argh!

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[quote=Defensewins;1002520]It is really difficult to justify having a Salary Cap to keep things competitive for small market teams when there are perennially losing teams like Cleveland ($33,000,000), Jacksonville ($27,000,000), Tamps Bay ($26,500,000), Cincinnati ($25,000,000) under the cap and refuse to spend. These owner just take the TV money and pocket it. Cheap. It is a disgrace because they do not even try to field a winning team.
Is it not enough that the NFL splits all of the profits evenly among all the owners/teams regardless of how much money generating that team brings to the NFL table? I hear Jacksonville's season ticket holders base is so small it is an embarrassment.[/quote]

The only team I would not put on that list is Cincinnati, they just do not like spending money on players they do not draft.

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[quote=The Goat;1002559]Cofield's salary is absurd relative to his importance to the defense and performance among DT's league-wide. Can't believe anyone has the gall to bitch about paying Fletcher when Cofield is earning that :doh:

Garcon is (still) far too inconsistent a threat to command anywhere near what the FO paid him either. Not just his injury status, which is still a concern, but looking at his overall production in the NFL. Remember, this is a guy who still can't break 1000 yards in a season. Hopefully he rebounds and earns that contract starting this season.

To think we could have paid just a little more this off-season for a guy like Mike Wallace. Argh![/quote]

I do agree that all those players are overpaid except for Trent Williams.

I disagree in trying to sign Mike Wallace. He is not worth 60 million over 5 years.

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[quote=donofriose;1002561]I do agree that all those players are overpaid except for Trent Williams.

I disagree in trying to sign Mike Wallace. [B]He is not worth 60 million over 5 years.[/B][/quote]

Definitely not considering he's mostly a one trick pony.

Garçon proved to be a difference maker when he was in the lineup.

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Garcon was an elite receiver for us when he was on the field. How quickly people forget his role in the 7 game win streak. He and Griffin together spells a pro bowl berth for Garcon sometime in the next few years.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1002564]Definitely not considering he's mostly a one trick pony.

Garçon proved to be a difference maker when he was in the lineup.[/QUOTE]

I would take Garcon over Wallace everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Garcon is more expensive, but, when he was on the field, we won. He is simply a more versatile receiver than Wallace.

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[quote=Schneed10;1002569]Garcon was an elite receiver for us when he was on the field. How quickly people forget his role in the 7 game win streak. He and Griffin together spells a pro bowl berth for Garcon sometime in the next few years.[/quote]

I very much agree with this. As long as he remains healthy, he'll no doubt remain productive with RG3...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1002570]I would take Garcon over Wallace everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Garcon is more expensive, but, when he was on the field, we won. He is simply a more versatile receiver than Wallace.[/quote]

I agree...plus Garcon is actually less expensive than Wallace.

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This system is sooo F-ed up. How can the NFL's #2 leading rusher get paid $500K? RB's take a beating and average career is 2 to 3 years. With the way we are using Alfred Morris there may not be anything left in the tank when his second contract comes up. There has to be a way pay him more money. Again it all comes back to this piece of shit Salary CAP! The system should provide a way for a rookie 6th round pick that is suddenly thrust into the starting line up and is top 5 in a big category to make a extra scratch in the form of a bonus. Like wise if a piece of shit like Haynesworth plays hard for a big contract then stops trying, that guy should take a cut. Pay for play system. The current system is broken.

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[quote=Defensewins;1002581]This system is sooo F-ed up. How can the NFL's #2 leading rusher get paid $500K? RB's take a beating and average career is 2 to 3 years. With the way we are using Alfred Morris there may not be anything left in the tank when his second contract comes up. There has to be a way pay him more money. Again it all comes back to this piece of shit Salary CAP! The system should provide a way for a rookie 6th round pick that is suddenly thrust into the starting line up and is top 5 in a big category to make a extra scratch in the form of a bonus. Like wise if a piece of shit like Haynesworth plays hard for a big contract then stops trying, that guy should take a cut. Pay for play system. The current system is broken.[/quote]
Would never work.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1002570]I would take Garcon over Wallace everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Garcon is more expensive, but, when he was on the field, we won. He is simply a more versatile receiver than Wallace.[/quote]

Time and again...you delineate in fine fashion you know absolutely nothing about the game of football lol. I used to just keep you on the ignore list but missed the chuckles.

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This should be good for a few laughs