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[quote=Giantone;1005349]So if I hit your link does it ,or does it not take me to Yahoo news, you can't even spin your lies right?[/quote]

At 04-25-2013 01:04 AM you posted "Really, a Yahoo poll???"

Is that accurate or not?

My link is a link to a Yahoo News report of two polls, one by The Washington Post and one by the Pew Research Center.

:spank:

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Eli fan boy fail.....

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[quote=Giantone;1005349]So if I hit your link does it ,or does it not take me to Yahoo news, you can't even spin your lies right?[/quote]How in the hell do you figure RR is lying on this? I mean, we know that you're a liar from the other thread, and you've lied in this one. But what the :doh:? This is so obvious!

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Oh look , the NRA version of the Pep Boys are all here.

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[quote=Giantone;1005363]Oh look , the NRA version of the Pep Boys are all here.[/quote]

"Look over there!" isn't going to work.

Please explain yourself or admit you're wrong and go away.

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[quote=Giantone;1005363]Oh look , the NRA version of the Pep Boys are all here.[/quote]

Why do you dislike rational responses to your posts so much?

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Full troll mode....
Doesnt know jackschitt about firearms, cant debate worth a rats ass, backs the most despised team in the NFL.
Not surprised.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1005367]Full troll mode....
Doesnt know jackschitt about firearms, cant debate worth a rats ass, backs the most despised team in the NFL.
Not surprised.[/quote]

:lol:

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[URL="http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/faq-on-violence"]Sam Harris' FAQ on Violence[/URL]

Long, but worth the effort.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1005780][URL="http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/faq-on-violence"]Sam Harris' FAQ on Violence[/URL]

Long, but worth the effort.[/quote]Great find and nice read, I don't agree with all of it. But presents some info like total crime rates and hypothetical self defense scenarios that get totally overlooked in the last congressional debacle pushing for "gun bans".

Personally I don't think assault weapons should be banned. Both because the last AWB didn't affect the already downward trend of crime at all, and going by the Constitution arms like that should if anything be regulated (which at that time meant [U]required[/U] and [U]supplied[/U] to people). And once you start talking of banning some guns, well we've seen what little restraint the anti-gun goons like giantone have, like that NY paper releasing names of gun owners that he cheered on. Which in addition to the wrongness of the intended effort, means that some law enforcement officials can thank that paper for criminals knowing where those officers homes and families are now.

Personally I have more reservations about concealed carry and handguns than anything else like assault weapons. But again when you have fanatics that would take any measure of expanding background checks or registration as a step to bans, compromise really isn't possible. We're better off as is, than living under a regime like DC's own local gun laws.

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Email we received from the Chancellor today:


[quote]To the ECU Community:

I want to make you aware of a bill moving through the N.C. General Assembly that could have a direct and negative impact to the safety of our campus. I feel the need to state publicly my opposition to certain provisions included in House Bill 937 that would allow concealed-carry permit holders to keep their weapons in locked vehicles on college campuses.

Supporters of this bill say it will make our campuses safer. I don’t believe that to be true. In fact, it has the potential to create dangerous situations for our faculty, staff, students and visitors. For example, if an incident occurs on our campus, law enforcement arriving on the scene must be able to quickly distinguish suspects from bystanders. Allowing weapons on campus could hamper their ability to make split-second decisions while assessing the situation. The consequences could be tragic.

It is our obligation to provide a safe environment at ECU. And I believe the best approach is by relying on the expertise of our accredited police department. I share the concerns expressed by President Tom Ross, my fellow chancellors, and our campus police officers that this proposed change would create increased risk on our campuses. I encourage the General Assembly to reconsider the provision allowing weapons onto our campus.

Steve Ballard, Chancellor


The following is a link to House Bill 937:
[url=http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2013&BillID=hb+937&submitButton=Go]North Carolina General Assembly - House Bill 937 Information/History (2013-2014 Session)[/url]
[/quote]


I on the other hand do not think it will increase risk on the campus.

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Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware - [URL="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/"]Pew Research[/URL]

[I]National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.[/I]

This surely is a cold comfort to those either injured or related to those killed by firearms. It should make people think about the sudden interest and motivation in more gun control issue though.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1008588]

This surely is a cold comfort to those either injured or related to those killed by firearms. It should make people think about the sudden interest and motivation in more gun control issue though.[/quote]



Gun deaths for children ages 7 and younger have gone up a whole lot this year ,guess it's all how you look at it. Yet as you say I'm sure it is cold comfort to the parents of the dead children.


Here are some stats that aren't as good.

[url=http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/]Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence – Gun Law Information Experts[/url]



And some more...

[url=http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/guns.htm]Gun Safety for Kids and Youth: Your Child: University of Michigan Health System[/url]

[B]What are the statistics about young people and firearm deaths and injuries?
[/B]The 2002 edition of [I]Injury Facts[/I] from the National Safety Council reports the following statistics [[URL="http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/gunsc.htm#edn1"][COLOR=#0066cc]1[/COLOR][/URL]] : [LIST][*]In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.[*]This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.[*]The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:[IMG]http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/images/4%20teen%20boys.png[/IMG][LIST][*]214 unintentional[*]1,078 suicides[*]1,990 homicides[*]83 for which the intent could not be determined[*]20 due to legal intervention[/LIST][*]Of the total firearms-related deaths:[LIST][*]73 were of children under five years old[*]416 were children 5-14 years old[*]2,896 were 15-19 years old[/LIST][/LIST]These numbers are from 1999, if all the New laws could save just one child it and they would be worth it.

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[URL]http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data/state-data-repository/protect-children-not-guns-key-facts-2013.pdf[/URL]




..............and some more facts.

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[SIZE=5]Children’s Defense Fund
[/SIZE][SIZE=7]Protect Children, Not Guns
[/SIZE][SIZE=6]Key Facts
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]April 24, 2013
[/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]A child or teen dies or is injured from guns every 30 minutes.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]• [B]18,270 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens [/SIZE][/FONT][B][U][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]died or were injured[/B][/U][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]from guns in 2010. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]1 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]child or teen died or was injured [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every 30 minutes
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]50 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens died or were injured [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every day
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]351 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens, or 17 classrooms of 20 children, died or were injured [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every week[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]. [/FONT]
　
[/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]More children and teens die from guns every three days than died in the Newtown massacre.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]•[B]2,694 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens [/SIZE][/FONT][B][U][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]died[/B][/U][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]from guns in 2010. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]1 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]child or teen died [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every 3 hours and 15 minutes
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]7 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens died [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every day[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman], more than 22 every three days [/FONT]
[/SIZE][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]52 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens died [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every week
[/B]　
[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Over the past 50 years, three times more children and teens died from guns on American soil than U.S. soldiers were killed in action in wars abroad.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]•[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Between 1963 and 2010, an estimated [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]166,500 children and teens [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]died from guns on American soil, while 52,820 U.S. soldiers were killed in action in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars combined. [/FONT]
•On average 3,470 children and teens were killed by guns every year from 1963 to 2010, or 174 classrooms of 20 children every year.
[/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Nearly three times more children and teens were injured by guns in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers wounded in action that year in the Afghanistan war.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]•[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]An estimated [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]15,576 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens were [/SIZE][/FONT][B][U][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]injured[/B][/U][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]by guns in 2010. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]1 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]child or teen was injured [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every 34 minutes
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]43 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens were injured [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every day
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]300 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]children and teens were injured [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]every week
[/B]•[B]5,247 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]U.S. soldiers were injured in the Afghanistan war in 2010. [/FONT]
[/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Guns kill more children under five than law enforcement officers in the line of duty.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]•[B]82 children under five [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]died from guns in 2010, compared to 58 law enforcement officers killed by guns in the line of duty. [/FONT]
[/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]The US has more than ten times more gun deaths in children and teens than other high income countries.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]•[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Children and teens in the US are [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]67 times more likely [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]to die from guns than children and teens in the United Kingdom and [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]13 times more likely [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]than children and teens in France.[/FONT]
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Drowning Fact Sheet
[url=http://www.poseidon-tech.com/us/statistics.html]Drowning statistics - Drowning facts[/url]


[B] In 2004, there were 3,308 unintentional drownings in the United States,[/B] an average of nine people per day.(CDC 2006)
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

In 2004, of all children 1-4 years old who died, 26% died from drowning (CDC 2006). Fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 years (CDC 2005)

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

It is estimated that for each drowning death, there are 1 to 4 nonfatal submersions serious enough to result in hospitalization. [B]Children who still require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) at the time they arrive at the emergency department have a poor prognosis, with at least half of survivors suffering significant neurologic impairment.[/B]

American Academy of Pediatrics

[B]19% of drowning deaths involving children occur in public pools with certified lifeguards present.[/B]
Drowning Prevention Foundation

A swimming pool is 14 times more likely than a motor vehicle to be involved in the death of a child age 4 and under.
Orange County California Fire Authority

Children under five and adolescents between the ages of 15-24 have the highest drowning rates.
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

[B]An estimated 5,000 children ages 14 and under are hospitalized due to unintentional drowning-related incidents each year; 15 percent die in the hospital and as many as 20 percent suffer severe, permanent neurological disability.[/B]

National Safety Council

Of all preschoolers who drown, 70 percent are in the care of one or both parents at the time of the drowning and 75 percent are missing from sight for five minutes or less.

Orange County, CA, Fire Authority

The majority of children who survive (92 percent) are discovered within two minutes following submersion, and most children who die (86 percent) are found after 10 minutes. [B]Nearly all who require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) die or are left with severe brain injury.[/B]

National Safe Kids Campaign

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Death by Coke machine.
[url=http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/morford/article/Death-By-Vending-Machine-Warning-Large-heavy-2898202.php]Death By Vending Machine / Warning: Large heavy appliances can be hazardous to your health - SFGate[/url]

Death by television.
[url=http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9052788]Boy dies trying to change TV channel in Bronx apartment | 7online.com[/url]

Death by visiting the elderly.
[url=http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/northern_suburbs&id=8704537]Boy dies in 6-story fall from Stamford apartment | 7online.com[/url]

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Quick question, from GiantOnes post, WTF is a gun death for: 20 due to legal intervention? Cops killed them?

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[quote=Giantone;1008611][URL]http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data/state-data-repository/protect-children-not-guns-key-facts-2013.pdf[/URL]




..............and some more facts.

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Gangbangers are 'children', too! Oh, the humanity!

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[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22478310]BBC News - US government orders removal of Defcad 3D-gun designs[/url]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1008664]Gangbangers are 'children', too! Oh, the humanity![/quote]yeah, good catch right off the bat. The website g-one posts counts teens as children, but screams "PROTECT CHILDREN!!!". When 18-24 is the age group most likely to commit violent crime, and gangs make use of younger members to kill, like the Sean Taylor murder.

The numbers look totally out of whack with the numbers I've seen, and posted, from more reliable sources. And considering the guy who posted the link....

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[quote=RedskinRat;1008664]Gangbangers are 'children', too! Oh, the humanity![/quote]


....and more numbers.



[SIZE=1]
Inter-country comparison of mortality for selected cause of death, [url=http://data.euro.who.int/dmdb/]European Detailed Mortality Database (DMDB)[/url]. Children exposed to violence: [url]https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/227744.pdf[/url] [/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]More than one out of five teenagers has witnessed a shooting
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]• [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The 2008 National Survey of Children’s Exposure to Violence found that more than one in five 14-17 year olds in a national representative survey of children had witnessed a shooting at some point in their lives. This number is thought to be much higher among low-income children; one study found that more than two out of five low-income Black school-aged children had witnessed a murder. [/FONT]
[/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Black, Hispanic, American Indian and Alaska Native children and teens are disproportionately likely to die or be injured by guns.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]• [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]In 2010, [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]45 percent of gun deaths and 46 percent of gun injuries [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]were among Black children and teens, although they comprised only [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]15 percent [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]of all children and teens. [/FONT]
• [/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Black children and teens [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3]were [/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]4.7 times more likely to die [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3]from guns than White children and teens, and [/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]8.5 times more likely to be injured[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3]. American Indian and Alaska Native children and teens were [/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]2.4 times more likely to die [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3]than White children and teens. Hispanic children were [/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]3.3 times more likely to be injured [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3]compared to White children and teens.
[/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Two out of three gun deaths in children and teens are homicides and a little over one out of four are suicides. Among nonfatal gun injuries, a little over three out of four result from assaults and nearly one out of five is accidental.
[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Gun deaths and nonfatal injuries among children and teens (ages 0-19) in 2010 Firearm deaths [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Estimated Nonfatal Firearm Injuries [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Number [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Percent [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Rate* [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Number [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Percent [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Rate* [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]2,694 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]100% [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]3.2 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Total [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]15,576 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]100% [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]18.7 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial,Arial][SIZE=3]Total [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3]1,773 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]66% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2.1 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Homicide [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]12,077 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]78% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]14.5 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Assault [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]749 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]28% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.9 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Suicide [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]3,019 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]19% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]3.6 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Accidental [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]134 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]5% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.2 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Accidental [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]480 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]3% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.6 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Self-harm [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]38 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.05 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Undetermined [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2353 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]87% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]5.5 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Boys [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]13,749 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]88% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]32.8 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Boys [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]341 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]13% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.8 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Girls [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1,827 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]12% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]4.5 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Girls [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2,315 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]86% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]10.5 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 15-19 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]13,870 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]89% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]62.9 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 15-19 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]224 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]8% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1.1 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 10-14 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1,265 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]8% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]6.1 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 10-14 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]73 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]3% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.4 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 5-9 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]240 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1.2 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 5-9 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]82 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]3% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.4 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 0-4 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]200 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1.0 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Between ages 0-4 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1,205 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]45% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]9.4 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Black, non-Hispanic [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]7,232 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]46% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]52.1 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Black, non-Hispanic [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]909 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]34% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2.0 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]White, non-Hispanic [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]3,571 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]23% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]20.0 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Hispanic [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]512 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]19% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2.7 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Hispanic, all races [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2,839 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]18% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]6.1 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]White, non-Hispanic [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]41 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]2% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]4.8 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]American Indian or Alaska Native, non Hispanic [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1,584
349 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]10%
2% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]**
6.9 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Race not stated
Other non-Hispanic [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]27 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]1% [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]0.6 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Asian or Pacific Islander, non Hispanic [/SIZE]

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Disturbing statistics.

[url=http://www.goat-trauma.org/stats.shtml]Goat Trauma Statistics[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1008713]Disturbing statistics.

[URL="http://www.goat-trauma.org/stats.shtml"]Goat Trauma Statistics[/URL][/quote]

[I][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The majority of goat traumas occur before age eight and after age fifty-two.[/FONT][/I]

Phew, I turn 52 this year and I'm goat-trauma free! The numbers don't lie, but now I'll have to steer clear of petting zoos.

I wonder how many youths in mid east, african, central and south american countries have witnessed shootings?

sometimes stats are so meaningless that its funny when people try to assign meanings to them.

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Shhhhhh.....they're trying to build a utopia.

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Epidemic: Guns kill twice as many kids as cancer does


[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/2073259/]Epidemic: Guns kill twice as many kids as cancer does[/url]



[B]Epidemic: Guns kill twice as many kids as cancer does[/B]

Dustin Racioppi, The Asbury Park (N.J.) Press7:28 a.m. EDT April 11, 2013

[B]Children's group says gun deaths among youth also outnumber soldiers injured in Afghanistan.[/B]

[IMG]http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/04/09/ap-gun-permit-database-4_3_rx404_c534x401.jpg?87cc7ae5b5e3d133be9f113f907a13faa9f8741e[/IMG]
Group to give away 30 guns in 30 days in PR bid(Photo: Seth Wenig, AP)
[B]Story Highlights[/B]
[LIST][*]Children's advocacy group says in 2010, 15,576 youth were injured by firearms[*]Accidental firearms injuries have been on the decline nationwide[*]Congress is set to vote on a series of gun-control measures aimed at reducing gun violence[/LIST]
ASBURY PARK, N.J. — Most victims of gun violence in 2010 were not on a battlefield or remote hillside in the Middle East fighting in a war. They were, like 6-year-old Brandon Holt, children and teenagers in America, according to the Children's Defense Fund.
Brandon was shot in the head by his friend and neighbor, an unidentified 4-year-old boy, on Monday night. He is now also a statistic of gun violence.
[B]STORY: [/B][URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/child-accidental-shooting/2073247/"][COLOR=#0066cc]Family donates N.J. boy's organs after shooting death[/COLOR][/URL]
In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms — three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund.
Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.
"We see guns as much of a threat in their life as we used to see bacteria and viruses," said Dr. Judith S. Palfrey, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the co-author of the New England journal report. "If you look at what's actually killing children and disabling children, guns is one of the major things."
Accidental firearms injuries have been on the decline nationwide. In 2001, 5,091 children ages 19 and under were injured by a firearm. Those numbers steadily decreased through 2009, when 3,587 children under 19 were reported injured by a firearm, according to the defense fund.
[B]A national issue[/B]
Monday night's shooting in Toms River comes during a high-profile period for guns and politics. Congress is set to vote on a series of gun-control measures aimed at reducing gun violence.
Meanwhile, gun violence persists. Since the shooting on Dec. 14 in Newtown, Conn., 58 children have been killed by guns, according to the online magazine Slate. On Saturday in Tennessee, a 4-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed the wife of a sheriff's deputy.
"Gun violence right now is an epidemic in our country," said Raymonde Charles, a Children's Defense Fund spokeswoman. "It's a moral imperative for us to really come together, work together to reduce gun violence."
It was not clear Tuesday how the Toms River boy got access to the rifle.
Nicola Bocour, director of Ceasefire NJ, which advocates for stricter gun laws, said the shooting underscores the need for a societal shift in attitudes toward guns.
"I think what it really shows is that the state of the gun culture in this country right now, the way it's approached, is not healthy," Bocour said.
[B]Statistics on shootings[/B]
— In 2010 in the U.S., 606 people died from an unintentional shooting.
— In 2011,14,675 people were wounded in an unintentional shooting but survived.
— In 49 percent of unintentional shooting deaths, the victim is shot by another person.
— Thirty-three percent of U.S. households have a gun, and half of gun-owning households do not lock up their guns, including 40 percent of households with kids under age 18.
— A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a completed or attempted suicide (11 times more likely), a criminal assault or homicide (seven times more likely), or unintentional shooting death or injury (four times more likely) than in a self-defense shooting.
— Most unintentional shooting deaths occur in the home (65 percent), based on data from 16 states. The most common context of the death (30 percent) was playing with the gun.

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Missouri tells the federal gun grabbers to go suck an egg!

[url=http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/05/missouri-legislature-nullifies-all-federal-gun-control/#ixzz2SzswRe8h]Missouri Legislature Nullifies All Federal Gun Control[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1008800]Missouri tells the federal gun grabbers to go suck an egg!

[URL="http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/05/missouri-legislature-nullifies-all-federal-gun-control/#ixzz2SzswRe8h"]Missouri Legislature Nullifies All Federal Gun Control[/URL][/quote]


LOL , lets see how long they go without" Federal Money".

[QUOTE=Giantone;1008807]LOL , lets see how long they go without" Federal Money".[/QUOTE]



So much for the will of the people.

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I used to laugh at people that suggested the possibility of secession.
Not anymore.
Props to Missouri for defending the 2nd amendment.

[QUOTE=Giantone;1008807]LOL , lets see how long they go without" Federal Money".[/QUOTE]

Right, because that is how the Constitution and Bill of Rights viewed the balance between state and federal authority and responsibility(not to mention citizens rights)

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[quote=RedskinRat;1008808]So much for the will of the people.[/quote]


Prove it ,let them vote on it.

[QUOTE=Giantone;1008819]Prove it ,let them vote on it.[/QUOTE]

So, are you saying a veto proof vote in the state legislature does not represent the will of that State's voting public?

the Missouri law is just for show. States cannot nullify or void federal laws. Either the federal law is determined to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and unenforceable [I]or[/I] it is constitutional and binding on the States.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1008821]So, are you saying a veto proof vote in the state legislature does not represent the will of that State's voting public?[/quote]



Actually Joe answered the question but I say let voters decide on the new laws ,not some paid off politician who is acting in the best interest of a corporation and not John Q. Public.

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[I][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/justice/new-jersey-child-shooting-arrest/index.html"](CNN)[/URL] -- A New Jersey father of a 4-year-old boy who fatally shot a 6-year-old neighbor in the head was arrested Monday night for having unsecured weapons accessible to children, the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office said.

Anthony Senatore, 33, was charged with six counts of endangering the welfare of children and a disorderly person's offense for enabling access by minors to a loaded firearm, Prosecutor Jim McClain said.[/I]

Good. I appreciate irresponsible gun owners being taken to task.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1009049][I][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/justice/new-jersey-child-shooting-arrest/index.html"](CNN)[/URL] -- A New Jersey father of a 4-year-old boy who fatally shot a 6-year-old neighbor in the head was arrested Monday night for having unsecured weapons accessible to children, the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office said.

Anthony Senatore, 33, was charged with six counts of endangering the welfare of children and a disorderly person's offense for enabling access by minors to a loaded firearm, Prosecutor Jim McClain said.[/I]

Good. I appreciate irresponsible gun owners being taken to task.[/quote]

Wait, I am severely confused. How in the world could he be charged, since I thought there were no laws concerning responsible use of guns? [/sarcasm]

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[URL="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-soldier-wearing-help-1904602"]Meanwhile, in peaceful, gun-control England:[/URL]

[I]A man - believed to be a soldier wearing a Help for Heroes t-shirt - was hacked to death in the street today.

Armed police called to the scene near the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, London, shot and injured two suspects.

Woolwich and Greenwich MP Nick Raynsford said both were in a serious condition in hospital.

One witness, identified as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack the young man with kitchen knives like he was "a piece of meat".

"They were hacking at this poor guy, literally," he told LBC. "They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him.

Fighting back tears, he added: "These two guys were crazed. They were just animals.

"They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there."

He said that after the "horrendous" attack, the two men, in their 20s, just stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them "as if they wanted to be on TV or something".

"They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road," he said.[/I]

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[img]http://i44.tinypic.com/351ybh5.jpg[/img]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1010349][IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/351ybh5.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
:doh:...you realize this isn't a U.S. Base ,right.