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^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.

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[quote=Chico23231;1014669]^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.[/quote]

Really? How much access has Bradley Manning had? Do tell.


Exactly how are people's lives at stake? You are parroting the exact same statement as many of these governmental agencies/politicians. This isn't a situation where operatives are being outed. Hell, Cheney outed a CIA agent and got Haliburton stock increases, not a jail sentence.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1014600]Do you want to stay in a country where the Government is going to do all it can to quiet what you are saying. And I am not excluding any possibilities when I say quiet. Someone posted a picture/clip of Pres. Obama when he was candidate Sen Obama blasting Pres. Bush for going after whistleblowers. If Pres Obama wanted to show a difference,[B] he could have offered immunity from prosecution to Snowden, then let the story play out. T[/B]hat would have been change to believe in. But now nearly 6 years after candidate Obama vowed to close Guantanemo, it is still open (for good or bad). We are still in Afghanistan (losing lives every day) and our government still operates secret courts with no oversight or true constitutional guarantees.

This isn't a tirade against Pres Obama, but a statement that there are parts of this government that are secretive, unchecked and unconstitutional, and that is a danger to the US way of life.[/quote]

Snowden is a creepy white cracker and gets what ever is coming to him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1014669]^I dont think you can relate the 2 situations as same. Very different time and the media coverage actually would have provided some sort of security for Snowden.

I actually think if he does end up in South America, its gonna be much more dangerous for him. I think our government well have "more options" in dealing with him. But hey, he doesnt fear the consequences.

I think what the public doesnt understand is that passed information to China and Russia puts a lot of people lives at risk around the globe working to keep us safe here. Not just Americans either.[/quote]

This is probably where you and I just roll our eyes and let the anarchists run the asylum

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[quote=SmootSmack;1014673]This is probably where you and I just roll our eyes and let the anarchists run the asylum[/quote]

Exactly what does this have to do with anarchists? This isn't about whether government is bad.


The issue at hand here:

1) We have a Constitution that provides for the protection of people's privacy through the 4th amendment.

2) We have a government currently breaking this amendment.

3) We have a informant that rats out the governments illegal activities.

4) We have our politicians backing said program even though they never attended NSA security meeting.

5) We have a president that in 2008 lauded that we needed people within our government to out such illegal activities, yet is now trying to charge such a person with espionage.


This has nothing to do anarchy.

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I think you missed the joke, but anyhow bowing out of the conversation. Always regret joining threads in this forum in the first place

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[quote=SmootSmack;1014680]I think you missed the joke, but anyhow bowing out of the conversation. Always regret joining threads in this forum in the first place[/quote]

Apparently it did Whoooooooooosh right over my head. Damn you!!

Why do you regret joining in on a conversation that is important to our society and culture as a whole? It would be one thing if people were flipping their wigs or trying to crucify you.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1014682]Apparently it did Whoooooooooosh right over my head. Damn you!!

Why do you regret joining in on a conversation that is important to our society and culture as a whole? It would be one thing if people were flipping their wigs or trying to crucify you.[/quote]

It's not why I joined this site, in short

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[quote=SmootSmack;1014685]It's not why I joined this site, in short[/quote]

Fair enough. Neither did any of us I imagine. :P Still some downtime before things start back up in training camp.

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TnCZgsD.png[/IMG]

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[URL="http://mobandmultitude.com/"]NSA flubs a campus recruitment visit:[/URL]

[I]4. [B]They are just doing their jobs[/B]. I’m not sure why this is a defense. It didn’t work at Nuremberg. And, it shouldn’t work now. This is not to compare what is happening now as somehow equal to or better or worse than the German holocaust, but to underscore a philosophical point Hannah Arendt made about the nature of modern evil: It’s banal. That means it hasn’t got a pitchfork or horns sprouting out of its head. Rather, it is thousands of ordinary people just doing their jobs.[/I]

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oIETQsU.png[/IMG]


[url=http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_022211de-e81a-11e2-9d43-0019bb2963f4.html]Montana the first state to pass spy law - Daily Inter Lake: Local/Montana[/url]


[QUOTE]

Montana made history this spring after passing the first state law to prevent the government from spying on anyone in the state by tracking personal information stored in their electronic devices.

The new law made Montana a pioneer in the age of electronic privacy rights by requiring state and local government entities to obtain a probable-cause warrant before remotely engaging personal electronic devices.

House Bill 603, sponsored by Rep. Daniel Zolnikov, R-Billings, was signed into law by Gov. Steve Bullock on May 6.[/QUOTE]

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XLQIsnH.gif[/IMG]

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[url=http://digitaljournal.com/article/352455]Bush-Cheney began illegal NSA spying before 9/11, says telcom CEO[/url]

Dick Cheney really is a piece of shit. This man should be tried for treason and war crimes. I'd be down with a public hanging as well.



[quote]In 2007 the Denver Post reported:
""Nacchio suggested that the NSA sought phone, Internet and other customer records from Qwest in early 2001. When he refused to hand over the information, the agency retaliated by not granting lucrative contracts to the Denver-based company, he claimed.""
Other sources corroborate the former CEO's allegations, which were made in the course of his legal defense against insider trading charges. Both Slate.com and National Journal have published reports in which sources are quoted which support the former CEO's claims.
Speaking on “FOX News Sunday" this weekend in defense of the Obama administration's NSA PRISM program, which has caused a national uproar over the sweeping intrusion by the government into American citizens' emails, live chats, and other electronic communications, Cheney said:
"
“Now, as everybody has been associated with the program said if we had this before 9/11, when there were two terrorists in San Diego, two hijackers, able to use that program, that capability against the target, we might have been able to prevent 9/11,”"
However, the presence of such powers in the hands of the present administration did not succeed in preventing the Boston Marathon attacks, even though the suspects were already well-known to the FBI, and one allegedly told law enforcement, while in the hospital, that they were able to "download plans for pressure cooker bombs from the Internet.
In the same interview on "Fox news Sunday" Cheney called NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden a "traitor."

Read more: [url=http://digitaljournal.com/article/352455#ixzz2Z7iz5lSx]Bush-Cheney began illegal NSA spying before 9/11, says telcom CEO[/url]
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[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10194641/Camerons-crackdown-on-illegal-pornography-criticised.html"]Something to make FD cry:[/URL]

[I]A joint British and American “task force” will be created to tackle obscene websites, while Google and other search engine providers will be required to draw up a “blacklist” of the most depraved and illegal search terms, Mr Cameron will announce. [/I]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1016199][URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10194641/Camerons-crackdown-on-illegal-pornography-criticised.html"]Something to make FD cry:[/URL]

[I]A joint British and American “task force” will be created to tackle obscene websites, while Google and other search engine providers will be required to draw up a “blacklist” of the most depraved and illegal search terms, Mr Cameron will announce. [/I][/quote]

good luck.


are they shutting down 4chan (almost all of it), irc (all of it), tumblr (a lot of it), usenet (a lot of it), tor, and the 50000000 sites that pop up every time you shut the old ones down?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1015557][URL="http://digitaljournal.com/article/352455"]Bush-Cheney began illegal NSA spying before 9/11, says telcom CEO[/URL]

Dick Cheney really is a piece of shit. This man should be tried for treason and war crimes. I'd be down with a public hanging as well.[/quote]


They asked for some records which is a far cry from what the NSA is doing now. The article is misleading and gave no evidence of any actual spying before 9/11.

""Nacchio suggested that the NSA sought phone, Internet and other customer records from Qwest in early 2001.

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[url=http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57595529-38/feds-tell-web-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/]Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords | Politics and Law - CNET News[/url]


This shit is stupid. Watching our country destroyed by the very people sworn to protect it. The only thing they are protecting is corporate wealth and their hold on power.

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I hope most of us can agree that this NSA spying scandal would have happened whether it was a repub or dem president and try to limit the temptation to politicize this scandal ...

[QUOTE=over the mountain;1016759]I hope most of us can agree that this NSA spying scandal would have happened whether it was a repub or dem president and try to limit the temptation to politicize this scandal ...[/QUOTE]

Totally agree, but Obama ran on a 'Change' platform. He deserves extra derision for all the non-change.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1016761]Totally agree, but Obama ran on a 'Change' platform. He deserves extra derision for all the non-change.[/quote]

Exactly. Obama ran on the premise that he was going to get rid of all the programs and legislation that ignored the Constitution, while praising whistleblowers for keeping the government honest. Not only did he break his promise, he actually expanded the crap. Gave himself the ability to decide who should live/die with a kill list. Killed US citizens without due process. Gone relentlessly after whistleblowers...and on and on.

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[url=http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130726/01200123954/obama-promise-to-protect-whistleblowers-just-disappeared-changegov.shtml?_format=full]Obama Promise To 'Protect Whistleblowers' Just Disappeared From Change.gov | Techdirt[/url]


Obama is such a huge piece of shit.


[quote]The folks from the Sunlight Foundation have noticed that the Change.gov website, which was set up by the Obama transition team after the election in 2008 has suddenly been scrubbed of all of its original content. They noted that the front page had pointed to the White House website for a while, but you could still access a variety of old material and agendas. They were wondering why the administration would suddenly pull all that interesting archival information... and hit upon a clue. A little bit from the "ethics agenda": [/quote]

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[url]https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/26-7[/url]


So much for "oversight" with the FISA courts. We'll just select a bunch of guys who favor our way of doing things.

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Russia to America: **** off!


(grants Snowden 1 year asylum) :woot:


[url=http://rt.com/news/snowden-entry-papers-russia-902/]Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport (PHOTOS) — RT News[/url]



[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23535524]BBC News - NSA spy leaks: Edward Snowden leaves Moscow airport[/url]

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[url=http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/909-dni-clapper-announces-review-group-on-intelligence-and-communications-technologies]DNI Clapper Announces Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies[/url]

:laughing2


So let me get this straight. The guy who flat out lied to Congress about NSA spying and recording data of US citizens is the guy who's in charge of setting up this "independent" review group. Wow. At this point, you can't even be mad at the corrupt politicians, you have to blame the people of the US. How else can you explain our government doing shit like this. Why? Because they know the voter base doesn't give a shit as long as they get their reality TV and hot pockets. They don't even try to bullshit the public anymore.



Destined to be a failure? Noooo...you don't say.
[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-spying-nsa-review-2013-8]Obama's 'Independent' Review Of Mass Spying Is Destined For Failure - Business Insider[/url]

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[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/snowden-maass-transcript.html?src=twr&_r=0[/url]


[quote] Edward Snowden: After 9/11, many of the most important news outlets in America abdicated their role as a check to power — the journalistic responsibility to challenge the excesses of government — for fear of being seen as unpatriotic and punished in the market during a period of heightened nationalism. From a business perspective, this was the obvious strategy, but what benefited the institutions ended up costing the public dearly. The major outlets are still only beginning to recover from this cold period.

Laura and Glenn are among the few who reported fearlessly on controversial topics throughout this period, even in the face of withering personal criticism, and resulted in Laura specifically becoming targeted by the very programs involved in the recent disclosures. She had demonstrated the courage, personal experience and skill needed to handle what is probably the most dangerous assignment any journalist can be given — reporting on the secret misdeeds of the most powerful government in the world — making her an obvious choice. [/quote]


[url=http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316751-snowden-nsa-targeted-journalists-critical-of-government-after-911#ixzz2brEuwQO5]Snowden: NSA targeted journalists critical of government after 9/11 - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room[/url]

Says a lot about our government. This has NEVER been about terrorism, it's about fighting to keep their power and eliminate anybody who's seen as a threat.