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funny to see how different organizations handle things. Pats basically saying, horrible situation and they dont support it and dont want the attention.


Dallas on the other hand invites their killer to the sideline the next week and he is still on their roster after failing multiple substance abuse test.


amazing

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[quote=RedskinRat;1013293]Anyone recall why the Niners were dominant in the late 80's through the 90's? Same reason. Weak division.[/quote]

A weak division gets you to the playoffs. It does not get you the amount of SB wins that San Fran won during the late 80's and early 90's. To get that many SB wins with a weak team would involve a weak NFL, not a weak division.

I used to live in Cali back in the early 80's (summer of 80' through summer of 86'). I had the opportunity in the summer of 85' to go see the 49ers at one of their training camp practices. Trust me, Montana didnt miss a pass. He hit his receivers in perfect stride almost every time. He didnt have the strongest arm, but his accuracy was a thing of beauty.

Side note - Little did any of us know that the skinny WR that they picked in the first round that year would break almost every record before he was done.

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[quote=Lotus;1013345][B]What did he do, exactly[/B]? You've pronounced him guilty of murder so you certainly know an answer to my question with precision.

I'll tell you what, next time that you are in a situation in which you are surrounded by damning circumstantial evidence, we'll pronounce you guilty without giving you a chance to defend yourself. That's what you are doing to Hernandez.

Of course his actions look fishy. But to pronounce guilt without allowing him a defense is unAmerican.[/quote]

From what we know there is solid circumstantial evidence, but we also don't know what else the Feds have. He'll have his day in court, which is his right, but it's not looking good. We may never know who pulled the trigger. It will be interesting to see what the other two guys have to say.

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CR - I have sat on a criminal jury in Baltimore City. Not sure elsewhere or for high profile crimes, but, on a Baltimore City jury, the presumption is that the police are liars and everyone is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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[quote=Lotus;1013345]What did he do, exactly? You've pronounced him guilty of murder so you certainly know an answer to my question with precision.

I'll tell you what, next time that you are in a situation in which you are surrounded by damning circumstantial evidence, we'll pronounce you guilty without giving you a chance to defend yourself. That's what you are doing to Hernandez.

Of course his actions look fishy. But to pronounce guilt without allowing him a defense is unAmerican.[/quote]

If you read back to my original post I said that he either murdered OR aided in the murder.

UnAmerican? Not cooperating with police is unamerican. That is KNOWN with what Hernandez is doing.

@ProFootballTalk: Patriots call decision to cut Hernandez "simply the right thing to do" [url=http://t.co/Vsr75LyUCI]Patriots call Hernandez release “the right thing to do” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

(For those who want a link to the story)

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[quote=Gmanc711;1013349]The Pats cutting him, I'd think means that at the very least he is going to be charged with accessory to murder.[/quote]

Here's something to think about.

@HTTR24_7: Think Hernandez gets smacked with Murder at his arraignment today.Guaranteed NFL security knows more than the public.Probably why he was cut

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As I said earlier, the evidence is pretty clear that four men went into a room and three and a corpse came out and, subsequently, Hernandez actively destroyed things that would likely provide information as to why that occurred.

We may not be sure of exactly what he is guilty, but, at a minimum, he intentionally hindered the lawful investigation of this murder.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1013356]As I said earlier, the evidence is pretty clear that four men went into a room and three and a corpse came out and, subsequently, Hernandez actively destroyed things that would likely provide information as to why that occurred.

We may not be sure of exactly what he is guilty, but, at a minimum, he intentionally hindered the lawful investigation of this murder.[/quote]

I believe it is safe to say that he is, at a minimum, guilty of obstruction. Even without knowing all the facts.

Its also clear the Police had issues with how Hernandez handled the whole thing. Otherwise they would have just asked for him to turn himself in instead of handcuffing him and making him do the "perp walk" in handcuffs in front of all the cameras. That was the local Police giving him the middle finger.

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@ProFootballTalk: Source with direct knowledge of Hernandez situation tells us: "Assume the worst."

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Meanwhile, Ausur Walcott (Browns rookie DL/LB) charged with attempted murder

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"...and everyone thought my partying was problem?"

- Gronk



I just saw that comment on yahoo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1013346]can't say i feel sorry for hernandez. Whether he's guilty of pulling the trigger or not, he has no one to blame but himself for putting himself in a very poor situation.[/quote]


yep

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[quote=SmootSmack;1013359]Meanwhile, Ausur Walcott (Browns rookie DL/LB) charged with attempted murder[/quote]

Once he signs his $40 Million extension, the TV trucks will be on his lawn too.

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How did cutting AH hurt the Pats $$$ wise?

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[quote=Skinzman;1013351]A weak division gets you to the playoffs. It does not get you the amount of SB wins that San Fran won during the late 80's and early 90's. [U]To get that many SB wins with a weak team would involve a weak NFL, not a weak division.[/U][/quote]

They had a strong team, no doubt. Now look at their divisional opponents during that time. It's similar to the NE situation, that was my point.

Weak team winning the SB? Dafuq?

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[quote=mredskins;1013364]How did cutting AH hurt the Pats $$$ wise?[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/26/pats-will-take-at-least-a-7-5-million-cap-charge-for-hernandez-in-2014/]Pats will take at least a $7.5 million cap charge for Hernandez in 2014 | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1013364]How did cutting AH hurt the Pats $$$ wise?[/quote]


Well since he'll likely never play again, it had to be done regardless.

We won't be seeing a Ray Lewis-like return under Goodell. Ray committed his murder under Tagliabue, who was less of a disciplinarian.

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I cant believe the NFL players continue to commit crimes at this pace. So your gonna have 2 players today charged with murder-related crimes?

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[quote=Mattyk;1013368][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/26/pats-will-take-at-least-a-7-5-million-cap-charge-for-hernandez-in-2014/"]Pats will take at least a $7.5 million cap charge for Hernandez in 2014 | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

Ouch!

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[quote=Chico23231;1013371]I cant believe the NFL players continue to commit crimes at this pace. So your gonna have 2 players today charged with murder-related crimes?[/quote]

Theres a famous saying I've heard before on the NFL shows by former players and coaches.

"You may leave the hood, but the hood never leaves you."

A lot of NFL players come from bad areas and being great at a sport is their only way out of the hood (meaning less of a chance of them going to jail or ending up dead because of gang related activities).

I still remember when I was at Tysons Mall back in 07 to get Clinton Portis, Santana Moss and Sean Taylors (he had a 'delayed flight' so didn't show) autographs. Along with them was TJ Houshmanzadeah and Chad Johnson.

My immediate thought when I saw them wasn't "Wow thats Chad Johnson" it was "Damn, they look like street thugs." If you were there that day in the mall you would have said the same thing. The redskin fan behind me said the same thing, something along the lines of "He looks like he's a character from The Wire".

Fast forward to today and Chad not only looks like a thug, but he is a thug. Headbutting his wife and cheating on her and smacking lawyers asses in court. The point is the hood never left Chad Johnson.
It just enrages me that these guys have their lives set when they get to the NFL and they all go blow it all away.

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move Jake Ballard up in your fantasy rankings

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Just heard on the local news (radio) that Ravens RB Bernard Pierce was carjacked and robbed by gun this weekend in Philadelphia.

This is why you avoid Philadelphia.

[url=http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130626_Ravens__Bernard_Pierce_held_up_in_Philly.html]Ravens' Bernard Pierce held up in Philly[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1013350]funny to see how different organizations handle things. Pats basically saying, horrible situation and they dont support it and dont want the attention.


Dallas on the other hand invites their killer to the sideline the next week and he is still on their roster after failing multiple substance abuse test.


amazing[/quote]

Not that I want to defend the Cowpukes, but I would say this is a slightly different situation (but yes, Cowpukes could have cut that guy right away). I am sure NE did not want the attention. Glad I don't have to hear moron Pats fans trying to defend Hernandez.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1013377]Just heard on the local news (radio) that Ravens RB Bernard Pierce was carjacked and robbed by gun this weekend in Philadelphia.

This is why you avoid Philadelphia.

[URL="http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130626_Ravens__Bernard_Pierce_held_up_in_Philly.html"]Ravens' Bernard Pierce held up in Philly[/URL][/quote]

I will avoid Phil if they have guns that can hold you up.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1013374]It just enrages me that these guys have their lives set when they get to the NFL and they all go blow it all away.[/quote]

They are mostly underprivileged kids that suddenly made it, their friends are their connection to an old life. Most are not strong enough characters that they can be their own man. Another reason to value RGIII. Parents did a good job.

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Jags are such a mess, so desperate for attention.

They are trying to create a new position...OW.

[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/u1YxjAHftWG2PkSZ4DoBFA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-06-26/99883daa-e488-4131-b849-7e3d2e0e3098_Screen-Shot-2013-06-26-at-7-46-36-AM.png[/IMG]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--denard-robinson-gets-unique-roster-designation-124307677.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

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what else can the Jags talk about?

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[quote=Monkeydad;1013390]Jags are such a mess, so desperate for attention.

They are trying to create a new position...OW.

[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/u1YxjAHftWG2PkSZ4DoBFA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-06-26/99883daa-e488-4131-b849-7e3d2e0e3098_Screen-Shot-2013-06-26-at-7-46-36-AM.png[/IMG]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--denard-robinson-gets-unique-roster-designation-124307677.html]Y! SPORTS[/url][/quote]

I wonder if the NFL will not allow the position, because of the Jersey number by position. What I mean is WRs for example, are only allowed to wear numbers 10-19 and 80-89. So if you create a new position, what numbers could you wear at this new OW position. What stops a player from wearing 55 or 69 or 97?

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He should wear #01.

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I'd say OW could be from 1-40 OR 80-89

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[quote=Monkeydad;1013377]Just heard on the local news (radio) that Ravens RB Bernard Pierce was carjacked and robbed by gun this weekend in Philadelphia.

This is why you avoid Philadelphia.

[url=http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130626_Ravens__Bernard_Pierce_held_up_in_Philly.html]Ravens' Bernard Pierce held up in Philly[/url][/quote]

that and 5,000 other reasons to stay away from Filthidelphia.

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NFLN cracks me up with how they're handling this Aaron Hernandez case.

"Hernandez is entering the court room now. He Does have a shirt on now."

I don't know why they're so obsessed with his shirt..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013391]what else can the Jags talk about?[/quote]

Our nuts in their mouf from the blaine gabbert deal

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013391]what else can the Jags talk about?[/quote]

The size of their owners mustache, Roger Godell should investigate that thing. Hes getting into Gene Shalit territory.

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NFLN is just good for the hot chicks they have on there.

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Hernandez charged with murder (NOT CONFIRMED )

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@AdamSchefter 1m
Aaron Hernandez charged with murder and five gun-related charges; pleads not guilty.

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Well Lotus..

@Russellmania980 36s
Oh god..the police have video of Hernandez with a gun before picking up the victim, saying he can't trust anybody. Good lord. #Dummy

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No more indo, gin and juice

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So much for just circumstantial evidence. They have a ton of evidence against him. Enjoy jail you idiot.