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[quote=SmootSmack;1036981]It will cost several million to change the name, they won't just be making a ton of money by changing it.[/quote]

There will be a minimal cost to change the name (mostly signage around the stadium and some logos, etc on the website but that will be more than offset by the millions of dollars worth of shirts, hats, and other swag that will be sold to the fans who will have to have the newest gear.

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[quote=punch it in;1036985]How would changing your brand that is already well marketed and established world wide for decades going to make you a ton of money?[/quote]

Needless to say you are losing the best rivalry in the NFL, anthem, band and fans.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1036990]Needless to say you are losing the best rivalry in the NFL, anthem, band and fans.[/quote]

How? They will still play the Cowboys, they will rewrite the song, and the fans while angry for awhile will still be fans.

[QUOTE=irish;1036991]How? They will still play the Cowboys, they will rewrite the song, and the fans while angry for awhile will still be fans.[/QUOTE]

You are being very very sarcastic rite??

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irish I think you're really oversimplifying things here. And you're underestimating what it means to change the identity of an organization.

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[quote=Mattyk;1036995]irish I think you're really oversimplifying things here. And you're underestimating what it means to change the identity of an organization.[/quote]

I dont think I am. If anything I think you are making this a bigger issue than it is. I lived in DC when the Bullets changed to Wizards and nothing changed. Same lousy team, same rivalries, same fans. If anything I think its easier for the team to maintain its identity since they are staying in Washington. I can see moving from Houston to Nashville creating an identity issue but going from Washington Redskins to Washington whatevers, not so much.

[QUOTE=irish;1037000]I dont think I am. If anything I think you are making this a bigger issue than it is. I lived in DC when the Bullets changed to Wizards and nothing changed. Same lousy team, same rivalries, same fans. If anything I think its easier for the team to maintain its identity since they are staying in Washington. I can see moving from Houston to Nashville creating an identity issue but going from Washington Redskins to Washington whatevers, not so much.[/QUOTE]

Yes but this is the equivelant of the los angeles lakers changing their brand, and not the bullets. While the Redskins may not be one of the more successful teams on the field, they are off of it.

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[quote=irish;1037000]I dont think I am. If anything I think you are making this a bigger issue than it is. I lived in DC when the Bullets changed to Wizards and nothing changed. Same lousy team, same rivalries, same fans. If anything I think its easier for the team to maintain its identity since they are staying in Washington. I can see moving from Houston to Nashville creating an identity issue but going from Washington Redskins to Washington whatevers, not so much.[/quote]

Exactly!! The Bullets. The Redskins are no Bullets, never will.

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[quote=irish;1036987]There will be a minimal cost to change the name (mostly signage around the stadium and some logos, etc on the website but that will be more than offset by the millions of dollars worth of shirts, hats, and other swag that will be sold to the fans who will have to have the newest gear.[/quote]

Actually it would be roughly $20-25 million per the latest estimates. And the Redskins would have to incur all of that cost. They split merchandise revenue with the rest of the NFL teams. That revenue is I believe in the mid to high 30s. So it's not boat loads of money they'd making when you think about it

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[quote=irish;1037000]I dont think I am. If anything I think you are making this a bigger issue than it is. I lived in DC when the Bullets changed to Wizards and nothing changed. Same lousy team, same rivalries, same fans. If anything I think its easier for the team to maintain its identity since they are staying in Washington. I can see moving from Houston to Nashville creating an identity issue but going from Washington Redskins to Washington whatevers, not so much.[/quote]

I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1037007]Actually it would be roughly $20-25 million per the latest estimates. And the Redskins would have to incur all of that cost. They split merchandise revenue with the rest of the NFL teams. That revenue is I believe in the mid to high 30s. So it's not boat loads of money they'd making when you think about it[/quote]

i the Oneida nation wants it changed . . . they they should be willing to pay for the change . . .

Re: Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1037007]Actually it would be roughly $20-25 million per the latest estimates. And the Redskins would have to incur all of that cost. They split merchandise revenue with the rest of the NFL teams. That revenue is I believe in the mid to high 30s. So it's not boat loads of money they'd making when you think about it[/quote]

What I think you arent considering is the fact that as this saga goes on the Skins will experience diminishing returns on their name and merchandise as people and companies beging to stay away from associating with an organization who's identity appears to support a racist and bigoted slur. (personally I dont think that but the perception is growing that is what the name is)

There will be upfront costs in the name change and I doubt the Skins will have to eat all the costs on this, but the long range returns will be greater as the Washington whatevers compared to the Washington Redskins.

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[quote=irish;1037015][B]What I think you arent considering is the fact that as this saga goes on the Skins will experience diminishing returns on their name and merchandise as people and companies beging to stay away from associating with an organization who's identity appears to support a racist and bigoted slur.[/B] (personally I dont think that but the perception is growing that is what the name is)

There will be upfront costs in the name change and I doubt the Skins will have to eat all the costs on this, but the long range returns will be greater as the Washington whatevers compared to the Washington Redskins.[/quote]
Well.....it is a ...Chicken Shit world we live in

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[quote=Gmanc711;1037012]I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.[/quote]

Heck, in town Skins fans have switched to Balt because the Skins have been so irrelevant for so long. People will stay or go based on winning and losing not a name.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1037012]I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.[/quote]

As an out of town fan myself if they changed the name, logo, and colors, I'd be inclined to say what am I even rooting for anymore? It's not the team I grew up with.

If they made a change to the name and kept the same colors and maybe used a throwback uni or something that at least kept with the history of the team, I think I'd be alright with it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1037026]As an out of town fan myself if they changed the name, logo, and colors, I'd be inclined to say what am I even rooting for anymore? It's not the team I grew up with.

If they made a change to the name and kept the same colors and maybe used a throwback uni or something that at least kept with the history of the team, I think I'd be alright with it.[/quote]

How isnt it the team you grew up with? If they changed name, logo, and colors for next year how isnt it the same team you are rooting for this year?

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[quote=irish;1037028]How isnt it the team you grew up with? If they changed name, logo, and colors for next year how isnt it the same team you are rooting for this year?[/quote]

Players come and go, the logo and colors are the true identity of the franchise.

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[quote=Mattyk;1037030]Players come and go, the logo and colors are the true identity of the franchise.[/quote]

Seinfeld was right, people really do root for clothes.

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[quote=irish;1037028]How isnt it the team you grew up with? If they changed name, logo, and colors for next year how isnt it the same team you are rooting for this year?[/quote]

I agree 100% with Matty (especially since I now live in the area).

I think its very critical, if the name changes, how they go about doing it. I think it really needs to pay homage to the past (Hogs/Skins/Braves) and keep the same burgundy and gold theme...

I really think the name/identity means a lot more to people than you're really taking into consideration.

I'm sure there are a ton of fans who agree 100% with what you're saying too... maybe even a vast majority... but I think its very critical how they approach a change.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1037012]I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.[/quote]


Exactly how I feel.

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[quote=irish;1037031]Seinfeld was right, people really do root for clothes.[/quote]

There are many things that draw people to a team in the first place, other than it being in their own back yard. Fact is a lot of people would be in the same boat as myself.

Riggins, Monk, Theismann, Green etc. don't play anymore. In time RG3 will be gone.

So what keeps you a fan, just being a local? What if they moved to another city and another team started up in DC? Who are you rooting for?

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[quote=Gmanc711;1037012][B]I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after. [/B]

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.[/quote]
BITD before Carolina, Tennessee, etc, the Skins were the only act around in the NE and East, North of FL. Many of those people remain fans today but the wholesale change will likely take care of all that.........

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wait till tomorrow ....

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[quote=Gmanc711;1037032]I agree 100% with Matty (especially since I now live in the area).

I think its very critical, if the name changes, how they go about doing it. I think it really needs to pay homage to the past (Hogs/Skins/Braves) and keep the same burgundy and gold theme...

I really think the name/identity means a lot more to people than you're really taking into consideration.

I'm sure there are a ton of fans who agree 100% with what you're saying too... maybe even a vast majority... but I think its very critical how they approach a change.[/quote]

Absolutely, how this change is made is extremely critical. I dont have a problem with changing everything and making a fresh start but it has to be done the right way.

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I'm a fan because of the REDSKINS COWBOYS Rivalry, my whole family growing up was dallas fans I hated them so I became a skins fan. If they change the name to Braves I'm ok if it's something different I'm out as a fan, I'll just watch football to watch instead of root for 1 team.

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[quote=irish;1037038]Absolutely, how this change is made is extremely critical. [B]I dont have a problem with changing everything and making a fresh start [/B]but it has to be done the right way.[/quote]
I think you are in an extreme minority......

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[quote=Hog1;1037040]I think you are in an extreme minority......[/quote]

Yeah and I'd be pretty willing to bet if there are changes, they're not going to be extreme like he's suggesting.

Wiping the slate completely clean on a multi-million dollar business? Not smart.

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[quote=Mattyk;1037035]There are many things that draw people to a team in the first place, other than it being in their own back yard. Fact is a lot of people would be in the same boat as myself.

Riggins, Monk, Theismann, Green etc. don't play anymore. In time RG3 will be gone.

So what keeps you a fan, just being a local? What if they moved to another city and another team started up in DC? Who are you rooting for?[/quote]

That's a good question, what does team mean? I think local has a lot to do with it but I also think who you grow up rooting for is also a big part of it.

If the Skins moved away and a new team moved in I'd start following the new team but I'd still pay attention to what the old Skins are doing.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/29/snyder-tells-goodell-theres-no-plan-to-change-the-name/]Snyder tells Goodell there’s no plan to change the name | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1037039]I'm a fan because of the REDSKINS COWBOYS Rivalry, my whole family growing up was dallas fans I hated them so I became a skins fan. If they change the name to Braves I'm ok if it's something different I'm out as a fan, I'll just watch football to watch instead of root for 1 team.[/quote]

I think fantasy football has already done this for a lot of people.

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[quote=Hog1;1037040]I think you are in an extreme minority......[/quote]

I agree.

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[quote=Mattyk;1037044][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/29/snyder-tells-goodell-theres-no-plan-to-change-the-name/"]Snyder tells Goodell there’s no plan to change the name | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

.....sweet

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[quote=Mattyk;1037044][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/29/snyder-tells-goodell-theres-no-plan-to-change-the-name/]Snyder tells Goodell there’s no plan to change the name | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Glad to see Danny standing tall. eff these peter kings, bob costas, etc. Why werent these dumb f*cks offended before this year? effing hypocrite f8cks

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[quote=irish;1037045]I think fantasy football has already done this for a lot of people.[/quote]

It has

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[quote=Chico23231;1037049]Glad to see Danny standing tall. eff these peter kings, bob costas, etc. Why werent these dumb f*cks offended before this year? effing hypocrite f8cks[/quote]

I agree, it seems strange that all of a sudden these people have a problem with the name.

I think this is all part of DS and the NFL's plan for changing the name. DS can fight the good fight for the fans while the NFL plays the heavy.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1037030]Players come and go, the logo and colors are the true identity of the franchise.[/QUOTE]

Preach Brother

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1037035]There are many things that draw people to a team in the first place, other than it being in their own back yard. Fact is a lot of people would be in the same boat as myself.

Riggins, Monk, Theismann, Green etc. don't play anymore. In time RG3 will be gone.

So what keeps you a fan, just being a local? What if they moved to another city and another team started up in DC? Who are you rooting for?[/QUOTE]

When i was about five years old my mother bought me and my brother to the mall for winter jackets. It was all the nfl teams. Those letterman jackets with the team patch on the front and the pleather sleeves. Remember those? Anyway i spun that clothes rack around and looked at everyone. I picked the redskins because i liked the colors and i loved that indian. (Native american - lol).

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[quote=Mattyk;1037035]There are many things that draw people to a team in the first place, other than it being in their own back yard. Fact is a lot of people would be in the same boat as myself.

Riggins, Monk, Theismann, Green etc. don't play anymore. In time RG3 will be gone.

So what keeps you a fan, just being a local? What if they moved to another city and another team started up in DC? Who are you rooting for?[/quote]

I'm a Skins fan because they're local and because they've always been a family team. At this point if they moved somewhere else I would still be a fan just because I've been a hardcore Redskins fan for the past 8 years. But for me its all about being local, hence why I'm an O's, Nats, Caps and Wizards fan. So a little part of me in terms of fandom would be gone for good.

There are some teams I like just because of the fan base and history though, such as the Raiders in football and the Red Sox in baseball.

But I'll always root for the home team first.

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[quote=Mattyk;1037035]So what keeps you a fan, just being a local? What if they moved to another city and another team started up in DC? Who are you rooting for?[/quote]

I moved from Rockville, Maryland to the West Coast 30 years ago, what keeps me a fan? The tradition, history, uniform, the team is like my family, identity. You take that away, you might as well root for no one.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1037066]I'm a Skins fan because they're local and because they've always been a family team. At this point if they moved somewhere else I would still be a fan just because I've been a hardcore Redskins fan for the past 8 years. But for me its all about being local, hence why I'm an O's, Nats, Caps and Wizards fan. So a little part of me in terms of fandom would be gone for good.

There are some teams I like just because of [B]the fan base[/B] and history though, such as the Raiders in football and the [B]Red Sox in baseball[/B].

But I'll always root for the home team first.[/quote]

Really?