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I wouldn't bring up the name change issue for minor reasons. But this story describes the Oneida Nation as being pretty doggone proactive on the issue. They are buying radio time to argue against the use of "Redskins."

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ny-tribe-launching-radio-ad-100236264--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022427]Sure CB59, anything can happen on any given Sunday, it's why they play the game. Just b/c something [I]may[/I] happen doesn't mean it's [I]realistic [/I]to think it [I]will[/I] happen. The sun may not come up tomorrow, I am not, however, going to lose a moment's sleep over it. None, and I mean NONE, of your nervous nelly, sky-is-falling, end-of-the-world whimperings are anything that cause me one "realistic" pang of worry for Monday Night. Let's review:

1. The Eagles "Big Three"? Well, let's start with the obvious, shall we?
Vick sucks. Oh, he has physical talents - no denying that, and sometimes his play makes you think he doesn't suck, but then, the real Vick shows up and you realize his good plays were the equivalent of lipstick on a pig. He is saying the same things now he said the last two years under Reid ... "I am learning to be a better QB", "I am committed to developing as a disciplined passer", "Coach's system is really good for me." blah blah blah. Leadership? When has he [I]ever[/I] elevated the play of others? Not "win by creating points through athleticism" but truly made other players better by building them up.

An example of what I am talking about is comment RGIII made in one of those mic'd up moments during last year's final game - On the final drive, in the huddle for all the team to hear, he makes a comment - "y'all know what were going to do, let's do it", then turns to Morris and - in front of the whole team - says something like "Take us home, win this for us". ... The crowd's chanting Griffin's name, the game is on the line, it's time for the star player to take over and march triumphant, [I]but[/I], instead, Griffin turns to Morris and very publicly says "You are the man, not me. You take the glory." I bet Morris would have run over lava in barefeet and through a brickwall for Griffin at that point. That's [I]real[/I] leadership.

Vick simply does not have this. Never has. Never will. When has he ever [I]inspired[/I] his teammates to excel. They are in awe of his talents and believe in him because of them, but that ain't leadership. Vick. Sucks.

- DeSean "one trick pony" Jackson? Catch some contested balls over the middle, then maybe you may be a threat without Maclin on the other side. For now, Chris Nield can cover their WR2 and everybody else will watch MeSean.

- McCoy is shifty and a threat. He, however, is not going to win this on his own. He gets two TD's - one off a long run - and that is the extent of the Eagles scoring.

2. RGIII rusty? freaked out b/c he hasn't taken a hit? I call so much bullsh** on that. The man is, generally, driven to excel and has, specifically, been driving himself to excel [I]at this moment[/I] to prove himself to the doubters. To even consider RGIII's offseason prep as a reason to doubt his in-game performance in this nationally televised Monday Night Football home opener is to ignore the reality of his historic ability to play his best in big games. Given his drive and history as a player, it is "realistic" to believe that Griffin may be dominant Monday night. On the other hand, for those same reasons, worries about RGIII's ability to over come "eight months without a hit" [I]isn't[/I] a realistic concern - it's a namby pamby exercise in hand wringing over a non-issue. If this causes you worry, how the hell do you even get out of bed in the morning?!

3. The Zorn Effect? Let's be clear, the Skins went 6-0 [I]in spite [/I]of Zorn not [I]b/c of [/I]him. He was handed a cohesive, talented team coming off an inspirational run that had been built by a masterful coach. The momentum from the previous year is what carried them through not anything Zorn did. I could have coached them to 6-0. Had Gibbs stayed, that team was going places. Zorn, however, had no clue how to keep the machine purring when tough times hit and the wheels came off.

Finally, IF this team gets behind, it is not going to panic. It's the same guys who came back from 3-6, who won close nail biters and came from behind along the way. This team is built to bear down not give up. The Eagles, on the other hand, ...

Sure, everything could go wrong and we could lose, maybe. Worrying about that is not "keeping it real", it is [I]unrealistic[/I] whining based on regurgitated sound bite analysis and ignores the reality of where these two team were and where they are now. One is realistically on the brink of dominance, the other is realistically on the brink of implosion.

And that's how you keep it real.[/quote]

So, just to be clear, I would say you are buying into the narrative that this team is trying sell?

Who, exactly, is trying to "sell" this narrative.

What is exactly is "the narrative"? Specifics please.

Based on the observations of folks like Keim, Tandler and HTTR coupled with my own observations from preseason and 2011-2012, I have every confidence that this team is going to kick f'ing ass.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1022513]Who, exactly, is trying to "sell" this narrative.

What is exactly is "the narrative"? Specifics please.

Based on the observations of folks like Keim, Tandler and HTTR coupled with my own observations from preseason and 2011-2012, I have every confidence that this team is going to kick f'ing ass.[/QUOTE]

Well who from sentence structure is clearly "the team".

Tripp will have to define "the narrative" I didn't understand it when he said it, but I thought you must have read it based on your post.

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I see you have your...back to the wall. May want to get in touch with Sav Rocca.....

I got the reference. I was just replying to it indirectly.

And as to "who" - I would really like specific examples of this amorphous narrative made by team representatives.

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I hate to say it, dont wish it on anyone but .... i think we might literally kill the eagles. like the whole team from vick to the waterboy, national tragedy of epic proportions.

jus sayin, hope i am wrong

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Interesting article summarizing the last 5 qb's to suffer ACL type injuries and their subsequent return the next season.

[url=http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2013/08/what_to_expect_from_rg3_in_season_opener_vs_eagles.html]RG3 vs. Eagles: How do QBs fare in first game back from torn ACL? | NJ.com[/url]

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[quote=over the mountain;1022584]I hate to say it, dont wish it on anyone but .... i think we might literally kill the eagles. like the whole team from vick to the waterboy, national tragedy of epic proportions.

jus sayin, hope i am wrong[/quote]

Hilarious.
This Bronco team has me worried about our schedule after the eagles- packers lions bears broncos 49ers falcons. I think we need to stop fooling around with PWhite and Rex and get an extra OL and Safety or CB. I wish it could be as simple as move DHall to safety if he fit but w/o Crawford i dont think that is even possible.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022604]Interesting article summarizing the last 5 qb's to suffer ACL type injuries and their subsequent return the next season.

[url=http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2013/08/what_to_expect_from_rg3_in_season_opener_vs_eagles.html]RG3 vs. Eagles: How do QBs fare in first game back from torn ACL? | NJ.com[/url][/quote]

So really only one quarterback came back full strength right away, which was Phillip Rivers. I am sure it will take some time for RG3 to feel completely comfortable with is knee.

Also Carson Palmer came back quicker than RG3, which I thought was very interesting.

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I think the Redskins win 31 - 27. I think the Eagles are leading at halftime but than depth and talent start to show up and the Redskins score a couple of late touchdowns to win the game.

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How many people saw D Thomas break off that TD run and immediately thought of Garcon running free after a bubble screen from Griffin.

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[quote=donofriose;1022609]So really only one quarterback came back full strength right away, which was Phillip Rivers. I am sure it will take some time for RG3 to feel completely comfortable with is knee.

Also Carson Palmer came back quicker than RG3, which I thought was very interesting.[/quote]

It's a small sample size, and it may be that I am more aware of Griffin's recovery than the others, but I tend to think that these show more the minimum we can expect rather than the ceiling that Griffin is capable of.

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Griffin is just a different kind of guy. All this talk of him possibly being rusty or not up to speed is BS to me. I expect him to come out and look like the same guy before the injury last year. Like he never got hurt at all.

He barely played in the preseason last year and it didn't hurt him any. He's been practicing full speed for weeks now. He's going to be good to go.

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Can the Chip Kelly's offense really run and function as quick as Denver's? Cris collinsworth said the play can't even come thru over the headset to the QB until the play is whistled ready to play by the ref.
I can understand a 2min drill but few teams can run a manning up tempo game and I don't see Vick doing it in hostile FedEx making the appropriate blitz pickups with our pass rush, and being effective. Nah I'm not buying it anymore.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1022633]Can the Chip Kelly's offense really run and function as quick as Denver's? Cris collinsworth said the play can't even come thru over the headset to the QB until the play is whistled ready to play by the ref.
I can understand a 2min drill but few teams can run a manning up tempo game and I don't see Vick doing it in hostile FedEx making the appropriate blitz pickups with our pass rush, and being effective. Nah I'm not buying it anymore.[/quote]
No rule against the O-coordinator calling 2 plays once the headset is activated.
If they have the matchups on the field that they want, it is possible.

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[quote=Mattyk;1022631]Griffin is just a different kind of guy. All this talk of him possibly being rusty or not up to speed is BS to me. I expect him to come out and look like the same guy before the injury last year. Like he never got hurt at all.

He barely played in the preseason last year and it didn't hurt him any. He's been practicing full speed for weeks now. He's going to be good to go.[/quote]

I think he will be up to speed and be completely healthy physically, but I would be shocked if he came back completely the same right away in all the aspects of football. Two of the best quarterbacks/competitors ever in Tom Brady and Peyton Manning needed time to feel completely comfortable after their respected surgeries. Even RG3 struggled some the first time he came back from a knee surgery at Baylor after he won Big 12 freshmen of the year and everyone that watched college football thought there was something special about him.

I'm not saying its impossible that RG3 comes back especially since he has gone through a similar situation before, but I am not expecting it and would still be pleasantly surprised by it.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1022636]No rule against the O-coordinator calling 2 plays once the headset is activated.
If they have the matchups on the field that they want, it is possible.[/quote]

That is true. Perhaps the fans just make it too difficult to hear.

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Forget defensive fatigue, defensive looks, and all of that. It all hinges on how the redskins front seven play. The key players will be Cofield, Orakpo, and Kerrigan. Cofield will need to consistently collapse the pocket. Orakpo will need to have a lot of discipline to contain Vick and McCoy and be able to make some tackles against the run. Kerrigan will need to make the plays we know he can make in the running and passing game. It will all be about spacing and not giving the eagles any.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022604]Interesting article summarizing the last 5 qb's to suffer ACL type injuries and their subsequent return the next season.

[url=http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2013/08/what_to_expect_from_rg3_in_season_opener_vs_eagles.html]RG3 vs. Eagles: How do QBs fare in first game back from torn ACL? | NJ.com[/url][/quote]


One caveat, aside from Brady, none of those QBs ever had anywhere near the talent, natural athleticism, work ethic, intelligence or overall game that Griffin does.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1022633]Can the Chip Kelly's offense really run and function as quick as Denver's? [/quote]

No. Vick cannot handle reading defenses and adjustments at the line like Manning. In fact, probably no one can, but Vick's intelligence level compared to Mannings is laughable.

If Kelly had Manning, look out. I think it will be a mess with Vick running it. Then soon, Foles...and Barkley.

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[quote=donofriose;1022609]So really only one quarterback came back full strength right away, which was Phillip Rivers. I am sure it will take some time for RG3 to feel completely comfortable with is knee.

[B]Also Carson Palmer came back quicker than RG3, which I thought was very interesting.[/B][/quote]

Interesting. Carson Palmer tore his ACL, MCL, and dislocated a kneecap against the Steelers in the playoffs. Then, the next preseaason, he actually played in two games. That season he threw for 4,035 yards and the second most TD passes in his career, 28. Now,[I] that's[/I] a quick recovery. Hopefully, RG3 can have similar success.

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Here's a balanced read. I like the style, hope ESPN does it frequently since they have a blogger for each team now.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/318/double-coverage-eagles-at-redskins]Double Coverage: Eagles at Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

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Here's my prediction for the eagles offense- the eagles offense will be the most fast-paced offense... to 3 and out.

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Some guys let Vick, McCoy and Jackson worry them. Especially with Chip Kelly the new offensive guru pulling the strings.

Just don't forget that we have Griffin, Morris, and Garcon (that I think are better offensively) and the Shanahans... and a load of other guys on defense that clearly are better than the guys the Eagles will be fielding.

The Eagle should be scared.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1022690]Here's my prediction for the eagles offense- the eagles offense will be the most fast-paced offense... to 3 and out.[/quote]

Here's why I think Washington will score a ton of points against the Eagles.

Reason 1: if their offense is successful, their defense will only get a few minutes of rest. Reason 2: If their offense fails, their defense will only get a few minutes of rest. Reason 3: The way we pound the ball at defenses, they will get tired anyway.

By the 4th quarter, the Eagles defense is going to be so exhausted, we'll be running for a first down every other time we hand it off.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022686]Here's a balanced read. I like the style, hope ESPN does it frequently since they have a blogger for each team now.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/318/double-coverage-eagles-at-redskins]Double Coverage: Eagles at Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

That was a good read. Thanks for that CRed.

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[quote=SirLK26;1022693]Here's why I think Washington will score a ton of points against the Eagles.

Reason 1: if their offense is successful, their defense will only get a few minutes of rest. Reason 2: If their offense fails, their defense will only get a few minutes of rest. Reason 3: The way we pound the ball at defenses, they will get tired anyway.

[B]By the 4th quarter, the Eagles defense is going to be so exhausted, we'll be running for a first down every other time we hand it off.[/B][/quote]

In one of the interviews I remember most from when Shanahan first became coach of the Skins he was talking about his running philosophy, and why he liked the stretch plays. It was simplistic, but really opened my eyes to how he viewed the game. Basically, he said, every stretch play forces the whole defensive line to run the width of the field (assuming you go both left and right with a regular frequency. So even if at the beginning of the 1st quarter the defense is hitting the line quick and hard, by the end of the 3rd/beginning of the 4th quarter, those big dudes are going to have run far more than your offensive line, who won't have to chase across the whole field.

I agree, by the 4th quarter the Eagles D will be pretty exhausted.

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[quote=SirLK26;1022693]Here's why I think Washington will score a ton of points against the Eagles.

Reason 1: if their offense is successful, their defense will only get a few minutes of rest. Reason 2: If their offense fails, their defense will only get a few minutes of rest. Reason 3: The way we pound the ball at defenses, they will get tired anyway.

By the 4th quarter, the Eagles defense is going to be so exhausted, we'll be running for a first down every other time we hand it off.[/quote]

Meanwhile, our defense:


[img]http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jackson.gif[/img]

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No matter how good and different Chip Kelly's offense is, the thing that is known on the eagles is Vick. He will have the same strengths and weaknesses he has had since going to the eagles. He has become the player that he will be. And to play into this pun- he has become an old dog. That means no matter how much Chip Kelly's offense helps him- he will still perform like Mike Vick. And how he does so goes the eagles. You focus to bring out his weaknesses and contain and take away his strengths- the Redskins will dominate the game. The thing to worry about though is- Vick has always seemed to play well against the skins. The thing to feel good about is - these redskins seem to be a strong, confident team that Vick has yet to face.

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lol monster sack by Jackson ^

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Not buying Kelly. At all.
I did at first b/c he seemed to be saying the right things. While paying lip service to the fact that the NFL is a different game, however, he still makes comments like "Time of possesion is just folks standing around". His "Blur" worked in colleges b/c he was dealing with amateurs. Nothing in the scheme is new - its the same routes and plays run by traditional offenses - just done at a faster pace. In fact, just as the faster paces forces defenses to simplify their schemes, it does the same for the offense. It's entire concept is "Go fast, so D must show it's hand pre-snap then call the right play that attacks the weakness of the D shown." A defense, however, that can disguise its coverage pre-snap and limit its use of situational personnel (and, thus, not show its hand) will stymie the offense.

Not buying the Eagles. At all.
This team went 4-12 and it was just b/c of injuries along the OLine. They have replaced their secondary entirely. Vick. Sucks. (see my earlier post). They have a dangerous RB & a dangerous but limited WR (who has NO ONE opposite him to stop teams from doubling him all day long) - that's it. There ain't no more. Teams will run through their defense all day. When they go to a 4WR offense, opposing teams will point and laugh.
It is laughable to hear folks talk this sucky a** team up.

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One player that I would want to start that probably won't against the Eagles is Amerson in place of Wilson. Wilson seems to always be playing from behind. Amerson would make some rookie mistakes but I think would still bring solid play and the possibility of making a big play.

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Meanwhile, the Skins are not the team they were two or three years ago. There is a noticeable talent increase on both offense and defense from the times when "Vick played well against us" or Jackson was running through our defense at will. Additionally, the change in the team's intangibles has been noted by almost all analysts who actually follow the team.

The Eagles and Skins are two teams moving in opposite directions. For both teams, last year was merely the prelude. The bright lights of Monday Night Football are going to burn off the chaff, expose the truth and show everyone the path these teams are travelling.

Hallelujah my football brothers, on Monday, you shall see victory! On that day, football dominance will stand in your midst and you will sing its praises: "A new day is come. A new sun is risen. The glory of the past will once more be recalled and will light the way for the new future! Woe be unto those that challenge our team for they will be as dust before the storm."

... and just to be sure, I am sacrificing a goat.

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a goat.........or the..
Amen!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022715]Meanwhile, the Skins are not the team they were two or three years ago. There is a noticeable talent increase on both offense and defense from the times when "Vick played well against us" or Jackson was running through our defense at will. Additionally, the change in the team's intangibles has been noted by almost all analysts who actually follow the team.

The Eagles and Skins are two teams moving in opposite directions. For both teams, last year was merely the prelude. The bright lights of Monday Night Football are going to burn off the chaff, expose the truth and show everyone the path these teams are travelling.

Hallelujah my football brothers, on Monday, you shall see victory! On that day, football dominance will stand in your midst and you will sing its praises: "A new day is come. A new sun is risen. The glory of the past will once more be recalled and will light the way for the new future! Woe be unto those that challenge our team for they will be as dust before the storm."

... and just to be sure, I am sacrificing a goat.[/quote]

Dude that was glorious. Joe I think you and I have been drinking the same koolaid. This team is a contender

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1022744]Dude that was glorious. Joe I think you and I have been drinking the same koolaid. [B]This team is a contender[/B][/quote]

There's too much time between now and the playoffs to be saying we're contenders already. But if we head into the playoffs completely healthy, and have a few balls bounce our way, playing in the Super Bowl is very possible. But I think you and JoeR are getting excited too early.

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[quote=SirLK26;1022746]There's too much time between now and the playoffs to be saying we're contenders already. But if we head into the playoffs completely healthy, and have a few balls bounce our way, playing in the Super Bowl is very possible. [B]But I think you and JoeR are getting excited too early.[/B][/quote]

We are going to kick ass all year long. Therefore it is perfectly acceptable to be excited in week one.

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I am not excited. I am incredibly calm. Hand-wringing naysayers can tear at their garments, gnash their teeth and cover their heads in ash as they moan their doubts.

I believe, my brother, and I am at peace with the joy faith brings. Join me.

Can I get an amen?!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022749]I am not excited. I am incredibly calm. Hand-wringing naysayers can tear at their garments, gnash their teeth and cover their heads in ash as they moan their doubts.

I believe, my brother, and I am at peace with the joy faith brings. Join me.

Can I get an amen?![/quote]

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No, but in all seriousness, I agree. I can't help but be excited. I too believe we're contenders.