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I was never very excited over Haslett to begin with and if he gets dumped during or after the season, I will not shed a tear. That said, if he is dumped mid-season, then they might mean that the 'skins are in a lot of trouble. I think if the offense can have a breakout game and get back to 2012 form, a lot of this worry will kind of start to go away.

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[quote=The Goat;1026994]You knew what to expect with Haslett. I do know why he would/should be the fall guy. This isn't his team, his vision. The offense has been nearly as bad as the defense through Mikes tenure, with last year being the outlier.[/quote]

I know you love to to pile on Shanahan at any chance, but as defensive coordinator the performance of the D ultimately falls on Haslett. That just comes with the territory. He needs to get things figured out.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026999]I know you love to to pile on Shanahan at any chance, but as defensive coordinator the performance of the D ultimately falls on Haslett. That just comes with the territory. He needs to get things figured out.[/quote]

Well yes and no.Haslett is responsible for the defense Now,but it was Shanahans hare brained ideal to hire Haslett and blow up our 4-3 defense that was never suited to run the 3-4 and weve pretty much sucked since then,so you could kinda say its all Shanahans fault

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1027001]Well yes and no.Haslett is responsible for the defense Now,but it was Shanahans hare brained ideal to hire Haslett and blow up our 4-3 defense that was never suited to run the 3-4 and weve pretty much sucked since then,so you could kinda say its all Shanahans fault[/QUOTE]

Nobody forced Haslett to take the job.

We have the 3-4 personnel now. Haslett has to make it work.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026999]I know you love to to pile on Shanahan at any chance, but as defensive coordinator the performance of the D ultimately falls on Haslett. That just comes with the territory. He needs to get things figured out.[/quote]I agree that Shanahan can't be held responsible for the effectiveness of the week to week defensive gameplan, but rewind half a decade to the Gibbs era, and we were just in a different category in terms of defensive ability. You didn't have to worry about the week to week defensive gameplan six years ago. Strong defense was the expectation.

The organization is different now. Defense is a struggle. It's a struggle when Haslett is on point and it's a struggle when he's doing things that don't make sense. He's going to have to accept responsibility when the unit performance is unacceptable, but I don't know if Haslett is the reason the defense has gone backwards in the last five years.

I just don't think there has been a high priority on acquiring and keeping great defensive players.

I think we have some really good defensive players, and some really good defensive prospects, and it's on Haslett to turn those guys into a strong unit, but we're also forced to rely on no-upside guys like Baccari Rambo and EJ Biggers in major roles, and that's a tough thing to scheme around.

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[quote=Mattyk;1027007]Nobody forced Haslett to take the job.

We have the 3-4 personnel now. Haslett has to make it work.[/quote]

Nobody forced Haslett to take the job? That has got to be the lamest excuse for Shanahan I've ever heard:rofl:

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Shanahan in my opinion deserves some of the blame for how bad the D has looked.

It is similar to Rex Ryan, the New York Jets defense is incredible, but their offense is terrible.

Both coaches deserve some of the blame because they are head coaches, not coordinators.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1027015]Nobody forced Haslett to take the job? That has got to be the lamest excuse for Shanahan I've ever heard:rofl:[/quote]


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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Haslett figured it out last year, right? People were praising him for the “mid-season adjustments he made” which played a major role in the team running off seven in a row to win the division. It is still early, maybe he can do the same this year…[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[quote=htownskinfan;1027001]Well yes and no.Haslett is responsible for the defense Now,but it was Shanahans hare brained ideal to hire Haslett and blow up our 4-3 defense that was never suited to run the 3-4 and weve pretty much sucked since then,so you could kinda say its all Shanahans fault[/quote]

Well, for one thing Haslett wasn't Shanahan's 1st or even 2nd choice. In fact, and this is going to open up a whole other can of worms, I think a "higher power" may have strongly suggested Haslett. Do I know this for a fact? No, but I do know about some other things which would lead me to think that's quite possible.

As for switching from a 4-3. No problem with that at all. We were in a 4-3 with guys like Carter, Wynn, Daniels. You look at where the league was headed offensively, what players on D were becoming available via the draft and FA, and you make a decision based on that as far as where you want the D to be in 5 years (from Mike's 5 year plan). I don't think the "we were a 4-3 in 2009 defense, so we should stay that way" argument holds much weight

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[quote=SmootSmack;1027018]Well, for one thing Haslett wasn't Shanahan's 1st or even 2nd choice. In fact, and this is going to open up a whole other can of worms, I think a "higher power" may have strongly suggested Haslett. Do I know this for a fact? No, but I do know about some other things which would lead me to think that's quite possible.

As for switching from a 4-3. No problem with that at all. We were in a 4-3 with guys like Carter, Wynn, Daniels. You look at where the league was headed offensively, what players on D were becoming available via the draft and FA, and you make a decision based on that as far as where you want the D to be in 5 years (from Mike's 5 year plan). I don't think the "we were a 4-3 in 2009 defense, so we should stay that way" argument holds much weight[/quote]

Well the facts are Shanny hired Haslett,as for the rest that is just conjecture.

How you dont have a problem with the switch to the 3-4 is beyond me,weve sucked big time since we've done it.Add that to the fact that we MILLIONS of dollars invested in haynesworth to anchor the 4-3.
Would Haynesworth still have acted the same way if we hadnt made the switch,who knows,we'll never know the answer to that

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So you think we wouldn't have sucked if we stuck with the 4-3? Even though we were likely changing a lot of the players along the front 7 anyway?

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[quote=htownskinfan;1027019]Well the facts are Shanny hired Haslett,as for the rest that is just conjecture.

How you dont have a problem with the switch to the 3-4 is beyond me,weve sucked big time since we've done it.Add that to the fact that we MILLIONS of dollars invested in haynesworth to anchor the 4-3.
[B]Would Haynesworth still have acted the same way if we hadnt made the switch,who knows,we'll never know the answer to that[/B][/quote]


Doesn't matter, because chances are he would have played the same way regardless...piss poor...

Besides, it's not Shanny's fault MILLIONS of dollars were invested (wasted) in Haynesworth before he took over...similar to the fact that it's not Lombardi's fault the Browns drafted Richardson #3 overall. He still has to make decisions based on what he thinks is best for the team - in his vision.

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Anyone else notice how much press-man coverage the Chiefs played last night? Why don't the Redskins do more of that? At least hit the guy before he gets into his route. With Orakpo and Kerrigan coming from the edges, that's all they need, is a little more time to get to the QB.

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^ because our corners cant be left alone like Smith and Flowers were

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[quote=scowan;1027026]Anyone else notice how much press-man coverage the Chiefs played last night? Why don't the Redskins do more of that? At least hit the guy before he gets into his route. With Orakpo and Kerrigan coming from the edges, that's all they need, is a little more time to get to the QB.[/quote]

I don't know if any of our CB's are fast enough to play right off the line. Wilson can get beat regularly and D. Hall just doesn't seem good enough.

I'm not sure how Amerson or Biggers are one on one, but if Biggers had the coverage skills, I think he has the speed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1027020]So you think we wouldn't have sucked if we stuck with the 4-3? Even though we were likely changing a lot of the players along the front 7 anyway?[/quote]

I dont think we would have but we could go back and forth on it all day
Lets just move on and agree to disagree since this is supposed to be Lions pregame talk:)

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Hank is injuried. Questionable for the game. And Kai still not kicking.

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Well, I feel like if the Redskins don't press Calvin Johnson some this weekend, they are going to be in for a long day.

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[quote=Chico23231;1027030][url=http://redskinsxtra.blogs.timesdispatch.com/2013/09/20/redskins-wr-leonard-hankerson-injures-groin-in-friday-practice/]Redskins WR Leonard Hankerson injures hamstring in Friday practice - Richmond Times-Dispatch[/url]

Hank is injuried. Questionable for the game. And Kai still not kicking.[/quote]

Mother focker what next

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[quote=scowan;1027031]Well, I feel like if the Redskins don't press Calvin Johnson some this weekend, they are going to be in for a long day.[/quote]

It wouldn't work anyway. Wilson is first string on the depth chart.

CJ is 6'5.

Wilson is 5'9.

CJ runs a 4.3 40 yard.

Wilson runs a ???

lol I don't think the dude can do it. D Hall may be able to keep up speed wise but his coverage blows.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1027015]Nobody forced Haslett to take the job? That has got to be the lamest excuse for Shanahan I've ever heard:rofl:[/quote]

It's not an excuse for Shanahan, I'm saying Haslett is the DC and his job is to run the D, simple as that.

I don't buy any excuses for him, sorry.

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Seems like a couple of teams each year switch to the 3-4. Not sure why it's viewed as some sort of crazy idea.

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The reason the Skins struggle on D is not because of the 3-4.

If the Skins couldn't tackle or cover in a 3-4... what makes people think they would be able to cover or tackle in a 4-3. Still the same players having to make the same kind of plays.

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[quote=donofriose;1027037]The reason the Skins struggle on D is not because of the 3-4.

If the Skins couldn't tackle or cover in a 3-4... what makes people think they would be able to cover or tackle in a 4-3. Still the same players having to make the same kind of plays.[/quote]

This I agree with. The 3-4 is quite successful in the league, so it's not an issue with the defensive set up. Players have to tackle, it's as simple as that.

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[quote=donofriose;1027037]The reason the Skins struggle on D is not because of the 3-4.

If the Skins couldn't tackle or cover in a 3-4... what makes people think they would be able to cover or tackle in a 4-3. Still the same players having to make the same kind of plays.[/quote]

Exactly.

I'm amazed that some people are still hung up on the 3-4.

Talent & execution always brings the most out of a scheme.

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[quote=Mattyk;1027035]It's not an excuse for Shanahan, I'm saying Haslett is the DC and his job is to run the D, simple as that.

I don't buy any excuses for him, sorry.[/quote]

I said:
"Haslett is responsible for the defense Now,but it was Shanahans hare brained ideal to hire Haslett and blow up our 4-3 defense that was never suited to run the 3-4 and weve pretty much sucked since then,so you could kinda say its all Shanahans fault"

You replied:
"Nobody forced Haslett to take the job."

How else am I supposed to interpret that?
Thats like a daycare hiring a child molester than when something bad happens saying well nobody forced the child molester to take the job.

As far as teams switching to the 3-4 every year,so what,thats got nothing to do with the situation as it was back then

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[quote=scowan;1027026]Anyone else notice how much press-man coverage the Chiefs played last night? Why don't the Redskins do more of that? At least hit the guy before he gets into his route. With Orakpo and Kerrigan coming from the edges, that's all they need, is a little more time to get to the QB.[/quote]

We don't have the most physical corners around.

And if you want to play press it helps to have some good safeties behind them, another thing we're lacking.

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Defense was 28th last year in yards, and has 2 rookies starting in the secondary. We had no cap space to do anything. I'm not sure why anyone thought they would even be middle of the pack. Getting back cap space hopefully means more veterans competing for jobs next year.

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I don't really agree with skip bayless on most things but I agree with most of the things he said in this article.

[url=http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9693891]NFL A read on Griffin's options - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=htownskinfan;1027040]I said:
"Haslett is responsible for the defense Now,but it was Shanahans hare brained ideal to hire Haslett and blow up our 4-3 defense that was never suited to run the 3-4 and weve pretty much sucked since then,so you could kinda say its all Shanahans fault"

You replied:
"Nobody forced Haslett to take the job."

How else am I supposed to interpret that?
Thats like a daycare hiring a child molester than when something bad happens saying well nobody forced the child molester to take the job.

As far as teams switching to the 3-4 every year,so what,thats got nothing to do with the situation as it was back then[/quote]

As Smootsmack pointed out, Haslett was not Shanahan's first or even second choice. Do you think bringing in defensive coordinators is as easy as just running down to your local Walmart to pick one up?

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the whole 3-4 4-3 debate is so old. Our defense showed last year that with a well running offense, we can win games with them. We upgraded at safety (Rambo >> Merriweather). We sustained on CBs. We aren't going to be a shut down D, our old defenses weren't shut down D's, and several times they gave up game winning drives.

This team as constructed can, and should, be doing better. Only time will tell if they do.

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Bottomline is the defense should be playing better than it is. Everyone is accountable. This defense may have some rookies and some older vets in their last year, but the entire unit is better than its shown on the field so far. Last year run proves that. Haslett needs to do a better job as well, if not he doesnt come back next year fo sho.

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Two games into the season. There are 14 more games to go. The defense will improve, as so the offense. Just hang in there guys.

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The Redskins have to score early. I'm confident the Skins can score and will get better offensively. I'm more concerned about the defense. This is the worse defense in the NFL. Receivers are wide open. The tackling is horrendous. The defensive scheme is horrible. I'm not confident this can be turned around quickly. Hasslet's job is on the line.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1027040]I said:
"Haslett is responsible for the defense Now,but it was Shanahans hare brained ideal to hire Haslett and blow up our 4-3 defense that was never suited to run the 3-4 and weve pretty much sucked since then,so you could kinda say its all Shanahans fault"

You replied:
"Nobody forced Haslett to take the job."

How else am I supposed to interpret that?
Thats like a daycare hiring a child molester than when something bad happens saying well nobody forced the child molester to take the job.

As far as teams switching to the 3-4 every year,so what,thats got nothing to do with the situation as it was back then[/quote]

I know what we said, but you missed my point, which is the 3-4 isn't an excuse, and if Haslett didn't want to run it he wouldn't have taken the job. We have an entirely different team from back then. 4-3 or 3-4 doesn't matter when you're not tackling and not playing sound defense.

Haslett shouldn't be let off the hook just because Shanahan wanted a 3-4 here.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1027044]I don't really agree with skip bayless on most things but I agree with most of the things he said in this article.

[url=http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9693891]NFL A read on Griffin's options - ESPN[/url][/quote]

I think he's jumping to some unnecessary conclusions but I have heard, and haw mentioned it here, some of the things he's saying

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I think Skip turns it into more of a soap opera than it really is.

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we can never go without drama

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1027053]we can never go without drama[/quote]

When you're losing, everything is drama.

When we were on that win streak last year, nobody had anything negative to say.