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Ugly win but it is indeed a Win!

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[quote=WillH;1030091]I agree that it has been and can be a successful scheme, but I'd be interested to see if there are any stats about time in the pocket and QB hits / sacks/ injuries for Zone Scheme vs others. There probably aren't such stats, and I'm certainly not head coach material, but I guess on a common sense level, if I were building my team around a franchise QB with a big arm I would be putting the biggest best Pass Protecting OL that I could find in front of him, even if he is mobile. I really have confidence in the Shanihans, but I think it is still a point worth debating.[/quote]

Usually teams that use a ZBS do a fair amount of rollouts, bootlegs, and moving pockets in the passing game. Thats one of the things that Kyle needs to get on board with. He doesnt do enough of them imo. RG3 is good on the move, and it shouldnt just be scrambles. We can start him moving from the snap to get away from the rush. The constant moving side to side, on both stretch runs and a moving pocket in the pass game, can wear down a defensive line.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1030079]I also don't understand why we had to tank the first quarter of the season to give RG3 playing time while recovering. Going off the Cleveland game last season, we could have won an extra game or two so far with Cousins. Remember we were NFCE champs, but only beat NYG by one game and came down to the last reg season game with DAL. I don't agree with sacrificing the team for any one individual.

RG3 needs to get back up to speed and in football shape? That's what practice and conditioning is for. Griffin did darn well with zero NFL experience his rookie season, he'll be fine. Playing him like we have, we're lucky not to be 0-4 and RG3 knocked out of this season, IMO.

Start Cousins till RG3 is 100%. I mean full mobility the knee brace is off 100%. It's better for RG3 and the Skins.[/quote]

I disagree with everything you wrote about starting Cousins over RGIII.

RGIII is our QB now and hopefully for many years to come. He needs the work he gets in games to develop into one of the top few QB's in the NFL. If he were not well enough to play, then he wouldn't be on the field.

Also, with the way the Redskins played so poorly on defense against Philly and GB, it is very doubtful that Cousins could have made any difference in the outcome of those games. In the Detroit game, we were one dropped pass away from a win.

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wow: just looked at some tweets/pics from HTTR24_7 Paul and OL made some dumb ones. Look at these two pics for example:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVgDEhsCIAAoqeP.jpg[/IMG]
Paul just missed the guy, and this is the result:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVgDOJYCAAAUd1c.jpg[/IMG]

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Need to get Fred Davis back on the field. He's our best te.

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So it's a sprained MCL for Logan Paulsen

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not too bad i guess.. any news on Reed

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[quote=htownskinfan;1030071]Schaub certainly helped,no doubt about that.BUT when Seattle needed it Wilson took them on a 98 yard drive with a couple of great passes,1 td nullified by penalty,and some great runs to get them in the endzone.If you didnt watch the game then you dont know how well Wilson played.I watched houdston game and skins game.[/quote]

I watched every play from both games and Wilson did not play great by any stretch, but hey it is what it is. I am not gonna change your mind and you arent gonna change mine. Let's just move on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1030143]So it's a sprained MCL for Logan Paulsen[/quote]

How long will he be out? Any idea?

The whole 4 TE thing hasn't really panned out so far.

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[quote=Chico23231;1030141]Need to get Fred Davis back on the field. He's our best te.[/quote]

Honestly I don't believe that anymore.

I was hoping for that to be the case, but our best all around te right now is Paulsen. Hell I don't even think davis is our best pass catcher. Reed is becoming that guy.

Davis is having some problems.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1030164]Honestly I don't believe that anymore.

I was hoping for that to be the case, but our best all around te right now is Paulsen. Hell I don't even think davis is our best pass catcher. Reed is becoming that guy.

Davis is having some problems.[/quote]


Yeah, I think he is probably not where he needs to be yet physically, and I also believe he has mentally checked out due to frustration about injuries, status with the team, drafting of Jordan Reed...

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Right now the offense is struggling. Our running game and oline not lighting it up, maybe Fred could help on that department. I don't think we have the luxury of sitting talent on the offense, it's not producing like it should be

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[quote=Mattyk;1030053]For all the crabbin' about RG3 he's on pace for 4800 yds and 24 TDs. Just sayin'.[/quote]

:blah:

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1030075]Dude Wilson did not play great Lol I watched the whole game. He's not that great I really don't know y so many people won't admit that[/quote]

As others have said, he got the job done when it mattered. I don't think Wilson is ever going to be a big stat guy, he's just going to do enough to help his team win...whether that's throwing or running. Wilson reminds me a little bit of Theismann.

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Always funny to compare the views that people have for other teams/players with our guys.

If Wilson was our QB I could only imagine how terrible we'd think he is.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1030177]:blah:[/quote]

and he's not even playing his best yet

again, just sayin'

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1030158]How long will he be out? Any idea?

The whole 4 TE thing hasn't really panned out so far.[/quote]

2-4 weeks is what I heard but I think it's sort of arbitrary. They'll just see how he feels in a couple of weeks

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wait until griff explodes , its coming.

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[quote=Mattyk;1030180]Always funny to compare the views that people have for other teams/players with our guys.

If Wilson was our QB I could only imagine how terrible we'd think he is.[/quote]


Exactly! Thank you. If RG3 were on the Seahawks it would be "he's overrated" and we would be convincing ourselves that Wilson (who's going to be out QB in this scenario) is next Elway.

This is yet another reason why I like to get views and opinions of my football team from football fans of other teams.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1030188]Exactly! Thank you. If RG3 were on the Seahawks it would be "he's overrated" and we would be convincing ourselves that Wilson (who's going to be out QB in this scenario) is next Elway.

This is yet another reason why I like to get views and opinions of my football team from football fans of other teams.[/quote]

It's natural since we look at our team under a microscope we're much more critical of our players/coaches, etc. I get that to a degree. I just wish people were more aware of this bias.

So yeah it does get ridiculous how people drool over other players like they have no faults and all our guys are bums.

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anyone notice PG is on pace for 112 catches? Pretty good.. And that RG3 guy sucks , give me Tannehill all day

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1030187]wait until griff explodes , its coming.[/quote]

Absolutely. He's a ticking bomb in a good way.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1030140]wow: just looked at some tweets/pics from HTTR24_7 Paul and OL made some dumb ones. Look at these two pics for example:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVgDEhsCIAAoqeP.jpg[/IMG]
Paul just missed the guy, and this is the result:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVgDOJYCAAAUd1c.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I'm dumbfounded at the oline's lousy play so far this year. That unit has health, continuity going for it and is surrounded by talent. The pass protection has been abysmal. Even the run blocking has seriously regressed from last year. With smaller guys I don't expect them to dominate the LOS, but this year we're not even getting the stretch per the ZBS. Our guys look small, slow and lazy. WTF?

And Paul has no business being on the field apart from special teams.

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[quote=Mattyk;1030180]Always funny to compare the views that people have for other teams/players with our guys.

If Wilson was our QB I could only imagine how terrible we'd think he is.[/quote]

Thats true,but that goes both ways
If Rg3 was on another team there wouldnt be the love for him that is flowing around here

and just because a few of us think Wilson is good doesnt mean we cant like RG3 too,its got nothing to do with him.

It was you who said 'cant believe people still doubt RG3" before the first game expecting him to come out and play like he hasnt missed a beat
Now everyones saying "cant believe people expected Rg3 to play well after knee surgery"
He's playing just how I expected him to play

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^look at the real estate to the outside. If he is blocked by Paul, the receiver could have blocked down and sealed the end. Folks that's the difference between a possible td and a 4 yard loss. Fred is our best blocking te, with oline shaky thus far, time to get him back on the field

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[quote=Chico23231;1030196]^look at the real estate to the outside. If he is blocked by Paul, the receiver could have blocked down and sealed the end. Folks that's the difference between a possible td and a 4 yard loss. [B]Fred is our best blocking te, with oline shaky thus far, time to get him back on the field[/B][/quote]

You'd think Fred would be playing lights out this season because of his contract. What gives?

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People complain of our OL play and sometimes with good reason.

But last year RGIII had defenses moving back from the LOS due to his dual threat. This year teams have pressured forward because they don't respect his legs. As RGIII look more like his old self, defenses will move back again.

Sum: as RGIII gets more comfortable, both the running game and pass protection will improve.

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[quote=Lotus;1030199]People complain of our OL play and sometimes with good reason.

But last year RGIII had defenses moving back from the LOS due to his dual threat. This year teams have pressured forward because they don't respect his legs. As RGIII look more like his old self, defenses will move back again.

Sum: as RGIII gets more comfortable, both the running game and pass protection will improve.[/quote]

I'm with you, but RG3 won't always have that skill to rely on will he? I'm more anxious to see him gain the skill of making quick reads than I am with him regaining his legs.

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[quote=WillH;1030201]I'm with you, but RG3 won't always have that skill to rely on will he? I'm more anxious to see him gain the skill of making quick reads than I am with him regaining his legs.[/quote]

Michael Vick is still a threat on the ground, and he's 33.

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[quote=SirLK26;1030202]Michael Vick is still a threat on the ground, and he's 33.[/quote]

I'm not sure I would be satisfied if he has Vicks career. Would you?

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[quote=WillH;1030203]I'm not sure I would be satisfied if he has Vicks career. Would you?[/quote]

No. I was just responding to this statement: [quote]"RG3 won't always have that skill to rely on will he?"[/quote]

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Nah, if he has to take two years off due to a prison sentence and a year long suspension I would definitely not be happy.

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The RO and play action off it simply gave the OLine a split second advantage last year that they aren't getting this one. Credit MS/KS last year for finding a way to make a mediocre line look good. At the same time, however, they need to find a way to beat a D that is, essentially, pinning its ears back and attacking the LOS. Not sure how they do that, but then I don't make the big bucks.

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[quote=The Goat;1030198]You'd think Fred would be playing lights out this season because of his contract. What gives?[/quote]

Coaching staff probably fallin in love with Reed playmaking ability. Which is great, you can rotate and have both on the field.

But Reed cant block worth a sh*t. And Paul looks like he's still learning the position going on year two.

Fred been injured but will be available for Dallas. Time to use him or continue to expect plays like that above.

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[quote=WillH;1030203]I'm not sure I would be satisfied if he has Vicks career. Would you?[/quote]

that would be epic fail. But RG3 is a much better passer and he doesnt kill dogs

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[quote=SirLK26;1030204]No. I was just responding to this statement:[/quote]

Yeah I realized after I submitted my reply, but more to the point, I just remember that there was talk about D McNabb struggling to learn to be a pocket passer later in his career, I know he never had the arm or accuracy that RG3 has had, but look how much good that is doing him against the blitz. I just see this as an opportunity for him to develop his game and increase his skill set, and will feel more reassured with progress in reading D's quickly than in his running game.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1030101]I disagree with everything you wrote about starting Cousins over RGIII.

RGIII is our QB now and hopefully for many years to come. He needs the work he gets in games to develop into one of the top few QB's in the NFL. If he were not well enough to play, then he wouldn't be on the field.

Also, with the way the Redskins played so poorly on defense against Philly and GB, it is very doubtful that Cousins could have made any difference in the outcome of those games. In the Detroit game, we were one dropped pass away from a win.[/quote]Cousins looked better last season than Griffin has so far.

Yes I want Griffin to be our franchise QB for the next decade or so. Let him get his work in practice and exercise until he can take the knee brace off and plant during throws and run like he did when healthy last season.

The Eagles game would have been different so who really knows, but Cousins probably would have passed better, and with fewer turnovers, so we would have had a better chance of winning a great comeback game. I mean, cmon Griffin was throwing off his back leg most of the time.

The Packers game, yeah our O wasn't going to keep up with what our D was giving up.

The Lions game, we win that game with Cousins passing, especially with two games under HIS belt at that point. Raiders game ditto.

I feel like we tanked the first quarter of this season, for the privilege of putting our franchise QB out there hurt to see if he gets knocked out for the season. Thankfully that hasn't happened, but I think we threw away a win or two just to put RG3 on the field for pride's sake.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1030212]Cousins looked better last season than Griffin has so far.

Yes I want Griffin to be our franchise QB for the next decade or so. Let him get his work in practice and exercise until he can take the knee brace off and plant during throws and run like he did when healthy last season.

The Eagles game would have been different so who really knows, but Cousins probably would have passed better, and with fewer turnovers, so we would have had a better chance of winning a great comeback game. I mean, cmon Griffin was throwing off his back leg most of the time.

The Packers game, yeah our O wasn't going to keep up with what our D was giving up.

The Lions game, we win that game with Cousins passing, especially with two games under HIS belt at that point. Raiders game ditto.

I feel like we tanked the first quarter of this season, for the privilege of putting our franchise QB out there hurt to see if he gets knocked out for the season. Thankfully that hasn't happened, but I think we threw away a win or two just to put RG3 on the field for pride's sake.[/quote]I think the only game we played that was winnable with Cousins at quarterback was Oakland, which was a win anyway.

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Regarding the O-Line: GB, Det, and Oakland all have really active fronts that have given them some issues. Getting into the meat of the NFC East should help our OL look a bit better.

I think Chester may be fighting the knee that gave him some issues at the end of last year. No inside information on that, just speculation based on a lack of observable quickness.

Other than that, we're into year three of the "Will Montgomery and Tyler Polumbus get uncontested starting jobs" which is more of a potential issue in the future than an explanation for a slow start by the OL. Trent and Kory have played very well this year, although Trent is capable of playing even better than he has.

Most of the pass protection breakdowns have come from the backs this season. Not the OL.

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Four game stretch where everyone questions if Griffin can win with this team just happens to be the same level of performance of the best four game stretch of Ryan Tannehill's career.

Which is not to say that Griffin hasn't been a disappointment this year. If you told me at the beginning of the year, that Griffin and Tannehill would be virtual equals on the field over the month of September, I would have been disappointed. We could have gotten that level of performance and kept two first rounders and a second.

But it's just four games, and there's at least a chance this will be the weakest four game stretch of RG3's season.