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[quote=Chico23231;1033503]Either side your on, this was another embarrassment to our government. This crap needs to change. If there was every a chance to get a third party going.....[/quote]

Like it or not we had a group trying to form a party and the left media attacked them from all sides. Maybe the Tea Party is not your cup of tea but we need more people like them that want to change the country.

What is more embarrassing then the shut down is the lack of people who care we are 17 trillion in debt. We spend 20% more then we take in but only a few people seem to care.

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[quote=firstdown;1033591] Maybe the Tea Party is not your cup of tea but we need more people like them that want to change the country.[/quote]

:laughing2

The only thing they want to change is ship off all minorities, allow all types of guns, end all government, give more tax breaks, make laws based on their religion.

No...we don't need dumbasses like this changing our country.

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[quote=firstdown;1033591]Like it or not we had a group trying to form a party and the left media attacked them from all sides. Maybe the Tea Party is not your cup of tea but we need more people like them that want to change the country.

What is more embarrassing then the shut down is the lack of people who care we are 17 trillion in debt. We spend 20% more then we take in but only a few people seem to care.[/quote]

yeah kinda get that, but the problem is they call themselves patriots but say anti american things. you cant hate muslims, immigrants and other races and call yourself patriots...being an american is about embracing all people of all different backgrounds. I cant take people like that seriously, the guy the other day told Obama to put the Quaran down. I have 2 problems with that statement, 1) Obama is not a muslim 2) What if he was? Freedom of Religion is an ideal that should be embraced by the tea party, yet they seem to hate muslims? Im lost on why?

One thing I really like is their stance on the term limits, Im a big fan of that idea.

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[quote=firstdown;1033591]Like it or not we had a group trying to form a party and the left media attacked them from all sides. Maybe the Tea Party is not your cup of tea but we need more people like them that want to change the country.

What is more embarrassing then the shut down is the lack of people who care we are 17 trillion in debt. We spend 20% more then we take in but only a few people seem to care.[/quote]

I care about the debt but a pointless shutdown of the government which costs the country $1.5 billion is not a fix.

The debt should be a concern for both parties because both parties are at fault. Some of the debt happened under Obama. Some of it happened as a result of the crash of the Bush economy. Some of it happened because Bush charged things like the Iraq war to our Chinese credit card. Everyone is to blame and everyone should be concerned.

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Here is one of your fiscal conservatives.

[url=http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/17/guess-who-got-2-billion-for-a-dam-in-congress-last-night/]Conservatives Rail Against "Kentucky Kickback" Dam Project Inserted In Bill To End the Shutdown | TIME.com[/url]

:laughing2

These guys are hilarious. The audacity of them to pull this kind of shit is mind boggling.

WE NEED TO CUT SPENDING!!!

(whispers in democrats ear..."be sure to hook me up with 2 billion for my state)

WE NEED TO CUT SPENDING!!!

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“This proves that when we work together, we can come up with a totally unsatisfactory solution to a completely unnecessary crisis.” This link leads to a short but very funny satire of Congress piece:

[url=http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/10/cruz-the-dream-of-keeping-poor-people-from-seeing-a-doctor-must-never-die.html]Cruz: 'The Dream of Keeping Poor People from Seeing a Doctor Must Never Die' : The New Yorker[/url]

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I would love for someone to explain to me how it cost us money.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1033612]Here is one of your fiscal conservatives.

[URL="http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/17/guess-who-got-2-billion-for-a-dam-in-congress-last-night/"]Conservatives Rail Against "Kentucky Kickback" Dam Project Inserted In Bill To End the Shutdown | TIME.com[/URL]

:laughing2

These guys are hilarious. The audacity of them to pull this kind of shit is mind boggling.

WE NEED TO CUT SPENDING!!!

(whispers in democrats ear..."be sure to hook me up with 2 billion for my state)

WE NEED TO CUT SPENDING!!![/quote]

If your going to post something maybe you need to read it first.

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]"It has raised the alarm bells of conservatives, who have long complained about Republicans who spend heavily on their home states." [/COLOR]
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[COLOR=#000000]Plenty of Rep. spend too much money just like the dems. Thats why we are 17 trillion in debt. [/COLOR]
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Read more: [url=http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/17/guess-who-got-2-billion-for-a-dam-in-congress-last-night/#ixzz2i5K0yYbb]Conservatives Rail Against "Kentucky Kickback" Dam Project Inserted In Bill To End the Shutdown | TIME.com[/url][/COLOR][/LEFT]
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[quote=firstdown;1033738]I would love for someone to explain to me how it cost us money.[/quote]

Because you asked:
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/18/how-much-did-the-shutdown-cost-the-economy/]How much did the shutdown cost the economy?[/url]

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/the-costs-of-the-government-shutdown/]The Costs of the Government Shutdown - ABC News[/url]

And 9 things that cost less than the shutdown:
[url=http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/17/21009104-nine-things-that-cost-less-than-the-government-shutdown?lite]Nine things that cost less than the government shutdown - U.S. News[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;1033751]Because you asked:
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/18/how-much-did-the-shutdown-cost-the-economy/]How much did the shutdown cost the economy?[/url]

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/the-costs-of-the-government-shutdown/]The Costs of the Government Shutdown - ABC News[/url]

And 9 things that cost less than the shutdown:
[url=http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/17/21009104-nine-things-that-cost-less-than-the-government-shutdown?lite]Nine things that cost less than the government shutdown - U.S. News[/url][/quote]

I recently listened to science Friday and they said there is concern over intergovernmental collaborative efforts as well as recruitment into NASA, NFS, EPA, NSA and other science agencies

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[quote=Lotus;1033751]Because you asked:
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/18/how-much-did-the-shutdown-cost-the-economy/"]How much did the shutdown cost the economy?[/URL]

[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/the-costs-of-the-government-shutdown/"]The Costs of the Government Shutdown - ABC News[/URL]

And 9 things that cost less than the shutdown:
[URL="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/17/21009104-nine-things-that-cost-less-than-the-government-shutdown?lite"]Nine things that cost less than the government shutdown - U.S. News[/URL][/quote]

* [B]$24 billion in lost economic[/B] [B]output[/B],or0.6 percent of projected annualized GDP growth, according to the Standard and Poor’s ratings agency. Similarly, Moody’s Analytics estimated the impact at $23 billion.
The ratings agencies calculate their estimates using complicated formulas that consider past economic behavior, combined with the number of federal employees and contractors who were not paid during the shutdown, according to [URL="https://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/"][COLOR=#0066cc]Moody’s chief economist Mark Zandi[/COLOR][/URL].

[B]Ok, so when they receive their back pay they are not going to spend any of that money based off what S&P figures. That's total BS. This fact alone should make anyone question their numbers.[/B]

[B]* $2.1 billion in government costs for the fiscal 1996 shutdowns[/B], calculated in today’s dollars, according to Office of Management and Budget [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/government-shutdown-would-entail-costs/2013/09/26/7ff054d2-26cb-11e3-ad0d-b7c8d2a594b9_story.html"][COLOR=#0066cc]estimates at the time[/COLOR][/URL]. The impact could be worse this time, since the 2013 shutdown forced more government employees off the job. Most of the cost of the fiscal 1996 closure resulted from agencies paying furloughed workers for hours they didn’t actually work.

* [B]$450,000 a day in lost revenue at National Parks, [/B][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/10/14/national-parks-losing-revenue-under-shutdown/"][COLOR=#0066cc]according to the National Park Service[/COLOR][/URL][B]. [/B]That wasuntil late last week, when a handful of states agreed to fund operations for the some of the parks within their boundaries. The costs may have been lower from that point forward, as some parks reopened and began collecting fees again.
The numbers come from top-line [URL="http://www.towpathtrilogy.net/Documents/NationalParkShutdownRelease.pdf?utm_source=Towpath+Marathon+Status+Update+%232&utm_campaign=Shutdown2&utm_medium=socialshare"][COLOR=#0066cc]estimates by the National Park Service[/COLOR][/URL], which made projections based on October 2012 park attendance and fee collections.

[B]They just made the point I have been making about the parks. They bring in revenue so to close them made no since other then to make people pissed.[/B]

* [B]$2.4 billion[/B] [B]in lost travel spend[/B][B]ing[/B], based on the U.S. Travel Association’s estimate of $152 million per day. The organization said it based its numbers in part on the National Park Service projections, as well as estimated reductions in business travel for federal employees and the federal government.

[B]So lets take that number and cut it in half. Are they saying we pay 75 million a day just in business travel for ferderal employees. Once again they show the Federal Goverment has become way to big and its time to reduce the size of goverment. I look at that as a savings not a loss.[/B]

Bonus material:
As most politics junkies know, the government could soon shut down again if Congress and the White House cannot agree to another spending plan early next year. [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/federal-shutdown-nears-end-as-senate-votes-to-raise-debt-limit/2013/10/17/a65544ba-368f-11e3-ae46-e4248e75c8ea_story.html"][COLOR=#0066cc]The agreement[/COLOR][/URL] signed by President Obama early Thursday morning will only fund operations through Jan. 15.
The deal also suspended enforcement of the debt limit until Feb. 7, which means another confrontation over the nation’s borrowing could occur again sometime in March.
S&P said in a statement Wednesday that the threat of new debt-ceiling and shutdown standoffs early next year could “weigh on consumer confidence, especially among government workers that were furloughed.”
“If people are afraid that the government policy brinksmanship will resurface again, and with the risk of another shutdown or worse, they’ll remain afraid to open up their checkbooks,” the agency said. “That points to another Humbug holiday season.”
S&P estimated that a default could force the government to reduce spending by 4 percent of annualized GDP, which would “put the economy in a recession and wipe out much of the economic progress made by the recovery from the Great Recession.”
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I didn't want to start a thread on this, though I probably should've done an All things Russia type thread.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/russian-finance-minister-demands-close-watch-spending-085240867--business.html]Russian finance minister warns on spending as crisis deepens[/url]
[QUOTE]"Regardless of having already curbed 2015 spending, we will ask parliament to cut by 10 percent all expenditure apart from defense spending," [Finance Minister Anton] Siluanov added.[/QUOTE]

Somehow I doubt they will have as lively a debate as that single line would spark here.