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[quote=Chico23231;1061025]Trent is a top tackle period[/quote]


sarcasm period

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Whatever....we need a lot more Trents (or alt least someone that plays like 80% Trent) or we cant put enough points on the board.
If our coaching staff cant see that then I'll be banging my dick against the wall for a couple more years.

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I think we will get a whole new Right side of the OLine in free agency, with rookies and montgomery, lichensteiger and gettis, lerib fighting for the center and left guard spot.

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[quote=Mattyk;1061000]Well, I'm judging the race.

The decision to get him is over and done.

If he wins a SB is anyone going to look back and say it wasn't worth it?[/quote]If Griffin wins a Super Bowl, we'll look back at the point at which the franchise turned around. That point has not come yet.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1060979]Maybe I am stupid, but how can you not justify the decision on both sides as being good??[/quote]You're not being stupid, but you are being a homer.

Going 3-13 two years after a trade is never part of a well designed plan. If you think the team is ready and needs to add a more dynamic player at the quarterback, that's one thing. But if you acquire that player and the team ends up posting the worst season in 40 years, you can't pretend the trade was smart.

The Redskins undeniably set themselves back. Obviously the prudent thing to do now is to take Griffin and make him part of the solution. But the decision making process has to change. Getting rid of Shanahan was a nice first step. But you also have to stop doing the things Mike Shanahan would do, and the Redskins don't seem particularly interested in changing their ways.

Meanwhile, Griffin is just kind of stuck here, contractually. He needs more help to win, but he can't get help from say, the second overall pick in this draft because they traded it for him.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329723/article/report-17-nfl-qb-coaches-favor-carr-over-manziel]Report: 17 NFL QB coaches favor Carr over Manziel - NFL.com[/url] (Link is a few days old).

I'm going to go ahead and say that this is ridiculous. I don't know how anyone could say, with a straight face, that Carr is a better QB than Manziel. I bashed Manziel once in a college football thread on here, but my thinking has since changed. I believe he's going to be a great QB, while Carr, to me, just screams bust.

Perhaps my thinking is wrong. But if I'm Jacksonville, Houston, Oakland, or Cleveland, I take Manziel over Carr 100 out of 100 times.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1061070]You're not being stupid, but you are being a homer.

[B]Going 3-13 two years after a trade is never part of a well designed plan.[/B] If you think the team is ready and needs to add a more dynamic player at the quarterback, that's one thing. But if you acquire that player and the team ends up posting the worst season in 40 years, you can't pretend the trade was smart.

The Redskins undeniably set themselves back. Obviously the prudent thing to do now is to take Griffin and make him part of the solution. But the decision making process has to change. Getting rid of Shanahan was a nice first step. But you also have to stop doing the things Mike Shanahan would do, and the Redskins don't seem particularly interested in changing their ways.

Meanwhile, Griffin is just kind of stuck here, contractually. He needs more help to win, but he can't get help from say, the second overall pick in this draft because they traded it for him.[/quote]


So the fact that the team gave up on the coach means nothing right?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1061093]So the fact that the team gave up on the coach means nothing right?[/quote]

And the coach's son who thought using that franchise QB as a wide receiver was a good idea to try?


The complete collapse of both Shanahans' ability to coach at a pro level wasn't part of the plan, but it happened and it's been corrected.

Now, we're back on the right track and to regret having our first franchise QB in 3 decades of not one of our problems. Now, we need to build a good team around him and I have faith that we will. The offensive line is the first step, or should be.

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Does anyone know why we would not get a compensatory pic for our Lorenzo Alexander that went to the cardinals. Did his contract void or something that made him technically not a free agent. Or was it just not a large enough deal.
[url=http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html]2014 NFL compensatory pick projections[/url]

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We signed Biggers which may have negated losing him and this not getting a pick.

We have had this discussion before and it comes back to players lost and signed.

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Yeah our losses somehow did not outweigh the additions. It's based on some unknown formula. Who knows.

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I thought Biggars was a minimum contract for the most part. I still think we will get a 7th round pick for Lorenzo.

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[url=http://riggosrag.com/2014/03/13/2014-washington-redskins-nfl-mock-draft-vol-11/]2014 - Washington Redskins NFL Mock Draft - Vol. 11[/url]

What do think of this draft. I liked the CB in the 7th and Borland, Kennard & Urban.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1064469][url=http://riggosrag.com/2014/03/13/2014-washington-redskins-nfl-mock-draft-vol-11/]2014 - Washington Redskins NFL Mock Draft - Vol. 11[/url]

What do think of this draft. I liked the CB in the 7th and Borland, Kennard & Urban.[/quote]

Nitpicking, but couldn't they get Andre Roberts name right?

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Ed Reynolds would be a nice addition at S on the 2nd round nice size at 6'2".

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1064925]Ed Reynolds would be a nice addition at S on the 2nd round nice size at 6'2".[/quote]

I am just curious now, is there anyone from the state of California that you do not like?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1064925]Ed Reynolds would be a nice addition at S on the 2nd round nice size at 6'2".[/quote]

I agree 100%, the question is if he should be a high 2nd round pick

CBS Sports has Reynolds in the 3rd or 4th round, so does The Sports Exchange
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Ward is a good safety, the question is strong or free .... I watched him twice, great instincts..... play maker

S Brooks of FSU..... meh

S Deone Buchannon Washington State looks good too,but is probably a SS......he is : 6'1' 211 4.49 / BP 19 reps ..... 2013 stats 109 tackles 5 interceptions

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Maybe this guy will drop... supposed to be the second best tackle in the draft, might be a steal in the second.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10639453/nfl-draft-prospect-taylor-lewan-facing-3-charges]NFL draft prospect Taylor Lewan facing 3 charges - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1064926]I am just curious now, is there anyone from the state of California that you do not like?[/quote]

There's just too many good players just like in the East Coast.

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FirstPick.com Simulator
Post F/As

Round 2 Pick 18 (MIA): Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (B+)
Round 3 Pick 2: Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 5 (T.B.): Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 17 (MIA): Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 2: Dion Bailey, FS, Southern California (B)
Round 4 Pick 16 (MIA): Bryan Stork, C, Florida State (B)
Round 5 Pick 2: Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina (A)
Round 6 Pick 2: Avery Williamson, ILB, Kentucky (B)
Round 7 Pick 2: Michael Sam, DE, Missouri (A)

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[quote=tc2deuce;1064934]FirstPick.com Simulator
Post F/As

Round 2 Pick 18 (MIA): Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (B+)
Round 3 Pick 2: Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 5 (T.B.): Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 17 (MIA): Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 2: Dion Bailey, FS, Southern California (B)
Round 4 Pick 16 (MIA): Bryan Stork, C, Florida State (B)
Round 5 Pick 2: Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina (A)
Round 6 Pick 2: Avery Williamson, ILB, Kentucky (B)
Round 7 Pick 2: Michael Sam, DE, Missouri (A)[/quote]

Round 7 Pick 3: after Cousins trade

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/4698/hoge-manziel-has-bust-written-all-over-him]Merril Hoge: Johnny Manziel has NFL draft 'bust written all over him' - ESPN[/url]

Manziel is an interesting prospect, but im starting to lean towards this opinion. Something about him reminds me of Tebow.

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[quote=Chico23231;1064938][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/4698/hoge-manziel-has-bust-written-all-over-him]Merril Hoge: Johnny Manziel has NFL draft 'bust written all over him' - ESPN[/url]

Manziel is an interesting prospect, but im starting to lean towards this opinion. [B]Something about him reminds me of Tebow.[/B][/quote]

Me too. I don't see the career "success" matching the hype.

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[quote=Lotus;1064940]Me too. I don't see the career "success" matching the hype.[/quote]

Yeah, its like he is the asshole version of Tebow, Bizarro Tebow.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1064934]FirstPick.com Simulator
Post F/As

Round 2 Pick 18 (MIA): Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (B+)
Round 3 Pick 2: Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 5 (T.B.): Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 17 (MIA): Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 2: Dion Bailey, FS, Southern California (B)
Round 4 Pick 16 (MIA): Bryan Stork, C, Florida State (B)
Round 5 Pick 2: Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina (A)
Round 6 Pick 2: Avery Williamson, ILB, Kentucky (B)
Round 7 Pick 2: Michael Sam, DE, Missouri (A)[/quote]

We have three third rounders?
Totally awesome!

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1064942]We have three third rounders?
Totally awesome![/quote]It looks like he moved back in the second round for some extra picks.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1064943]It looks like he moved back in the second round for some extra picks.[/quote]

But we got two picks from two different teams from one move back.

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[quote=Lotus;1064945]But we got two picks from two different teams from one move back.[/quote]

Or... He moved back twice.

That sim offers to many picks for trades. You are almost always better off trading back in the early rounds in that sim since you can pick up so many picks.

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[quote=Skinzman;1064964]Or... He moved back twice.

[B]That sim offers to many picks for trades.[/B] You are almost always better off trading back in the early rounds in that sim since you can pick up so many picks.[/quote]

That was my point.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1064937]Round 7 Pick 3: after Cousins trade[/quote]

trading Cousins would be foolish, bad back-up QBs are getting $3 -$4 million a year

Ryan Fitzpatrick just got $7.5 for 2 years

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traded our original 2nd rounder to Miami for a later 2nd rounder + 3rd and 4th then traded a pick to TB for a pick (not sure exactly just did what was presented to me via simulator)

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We better draft a bunch fat bodies. Lots and lots of fat bodies.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1065058]We better bunch fat bodies. Lots and lots of fat bodies.[/quote]

We did that in Free Agency. I wouldn't be surprised if we took one lineman, and, in fact, I would support taking a RT/RG early. But it seems like our FO really worked on improving the lines already.

While keeping BPA in mind, of course, I hope our draft looks something like this:


2nd: WR - Brandin Cooks, Jordan Matthews, or maybe Kelvin Benjamin if his hands aren't seen as too much of a downside

3rd: OT - Billy Turner, Juwaun James

4th: S - Ed Reynolds, Dion Bailey

5th: WR - TJ Jones, Brandon Coleman, Kevin Norwood

6th: RB/KR/PR - Dri Archer, De'Anthony Thomas

7th: P or DL - Pat O'Donnell(P), Jay Bromley(DT), Kerry Hyder(DT)

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Do you remember when most of you idiots gave our draft an A last year?

You suck...

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[quote=SirLK26;1065218]We did that in Free Agency. I wouldn't be surprised if we took one lineman, and, in fact, I would support taking a RT/RG early. But it seems like our FO really worked on improving the lines already.

While keeping BPA in mind, of course, I hope our draft looks something like this:


2nd: WR - Brandin Cooks, Jordan Matthews, or maybe Kelvin Benjamin if his hands aren't seen as too much of a downside

3rd: OT - Billy Turner, Juwaun James

4th: S - Ed Reynolds, Dion Bailey

5th: WR - TJ Jones, Brandon Coleman, Kevin Norwood

6th: RB/KR/PR - Dri Archer, De'Anthony Thomas

7th: P or DL - Pat O'Donnell(P), Jay Bromley(DT), Kerry Hyder(DT)[/quote]

So signing a mediocre former Cleveland Browns guard is [I]addressing[/I] our OL in Free Agency? Man that's pitiful. I'm dumbfounded by that claim. Shocked. Befuddled. Appalled. Etc etc.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1065328]So signing a mediocre former Cleveland Browns guard is [I]addressing[/I] our OL in Free Agency? Man that's pitiful. I'm dumbfounded by that claim. Shocked. Befuddled. Appalled. Etc etc.[/quote]

Discombobulated, even.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1065328]So signing a mediocre former Cleveland Browns guard is [I]addressing[/I] our OL in Free Agency? Man that's pitiful. I'm dumbfounded by that claim. Shocked. Befuddled. Appalled. Etc etc.[/quote]

We signed a new starter at LG, moved Lichensteiger to C, tried to sign Bruce Campbell but didn't after he failed the physical, and hosted several other Free Agent O-linemen. We didn't just sign Lavuao and say, "Okay, we're done with the O-line now! Next!" Also, don't forget that we have several young O-linemen on the roster who got very little playing time under Shanahan: Gettis, Compton, and LeRibeus. So to me, it seems like our FO is trying to address the position through Free Agency and developing the talent already on the roster, rather than drafting a bunch of OL and forcing the young undeveloped talent out.

Edit: And an obvious point that I didn't include, but decided to after all. Free Agency isn't over yet; there's still plenty of time and FAs left to improve the line.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1065326]Do you remember when most of you idiots gave our draft an A last year?

You suck...[/quote]


And you are what? Your Majesty...........

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[quote=SirLK26;1065336]We signed a new starter at LG, moved Lichensteiger to C, tried to sign Bruce Campbell but didn't after he failed the physical, and hosted several other Free Agent O-linemen. We didn't just sign Lavuao and say, "Okay, we're done with the O-line now! Next!" Also, don't forget that we have several young O-linemen on the roster who got very little playing time under Shanahan: Gettis, Compton, and LeRibeus. So to me, it seems like our FO is trying to address the position through Free Agency and developing the talent already on the roster, rather than drafting a bunch of OL and forcing the young undeveloped talent out.

Edit: And an obvious point that I didn't include, but decided to after all. Free Agency isn't over yet; there's still plenty of time and FAs left to improve the line.[/quote]

I hear the phrase "develop the talent" all the time, this assumes that late round draft choices are talented. LeRibius was a mid round pick who was not rated highly by many, if any other team.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1065326]Do you remember when most of you idiots gave our draft an A last year?

You suck...[/quote]

Say what now?