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[quote=Brody81;1047225]So your not worried at all that Synder will screw up thin next hire like all the rest? What gives you any confidence that Synder will get this ship pointed in the right direction?


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I am too. But none of this absolves Shanny's of his primary role in this. This team is what it is because of him and him only. I don't fault DS for hiring a GD 2X SB winner, paying him what he deserved, and expecting him not to sh*t the bed like he has. That's on Shanny. Not DS. Will DS make a good hire next? Who the f*ck knows but everyone thought this was such a great hire.

Maybe everyone needs to figure something out...it is hard to hire a good coach. There;s a reason that 2/3 of the coaches in league are gone in a 3 year period.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047240]The owner should not never have dinner with a rookie QB. It's wrong on so many levels. An established vet that's proven? Then I could understand. Cooke would have never done such a thing.[/quote]

how is that?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1047232]I'm not sure how many people know about wanting to meet with Kyle[/quote]

I don't see why anyone should care. I meet with my bosses and their bosses all the time. It's called an organization and it is how it works. I seriously doubt he was trying to help KS figure out some better ways to use Rob or something like that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047240]The owner should not never have dinner with a rookie QB. It's wrong on so many levels. An established vet that's proven? Then I could understand. Cooke would have never done such a thing.[/quote]

Why not? You're aware of how this works everywhere else? Intimate knowledge?

You don't know a damn thing about Cooke. Stop acting like you do. You THINK things. Some of them good, some of the dumb like everyone else.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1047229]Bruce and AJ Smith. I know from the outside the team and the situation looks bad. If you look at our cap situation, FO, the key talent in specific areas, I really think the future could be turned around rather quickly. Skins in good positions with several personel decision in the offseason too. Division is weak.

Our record is lousy, but we were a playoff team last year. If you compare this situation to when Zorn was on the way out, we are in a lot better shape.[/QUOTE]

Let's hope your right. Its getting old watching this organization be the laughing stock of the nfl..


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1047237]Other than TW , Griffin and morris who else has been a pro bowl draft pick?[/quote]

Ryan Kerrigan.

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[quote=Chico23231;1047246]how is that?[/quote]

It puts a rookie above everyone on the team.

[QUOTE=FRPLG;1047248]I don't see why anyone should care. I meet with my bosses and their bosses all the time. It's called an organization and it is how it works. I seriously doubt he was trying to help KS figure out some better ways to use Rob or something like that.[/QUOTE]

Do you know this for sure, or are you just assuming he wasn't drawing up plays for Kyle?


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[quote=skinsfan69;1047240]The owner should not never have dinner with a rookie QB. It's wrong on so many levels. An established vet that's proven? Then I could understand. Cooke would have never done such a thing.[/quote]

What is the big deal? They were both out in Dallas and had dinner.

[QUOTE=skinsguy;1047254]Ryan Kerrigan.[/QUOTE]

Forgot him

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[quote=Evilgrin;1047241]I totally agree, but when have we ever had a Coach that leaked info constantly too ESPN? Did he think that was never gonna be an issue?[/quote]

Has Shanny done that in the past? It's hard to navigate around the nonsense to get to the truth, but how much of a problem was Shanny's personality in Denver? Has be always been known to be backhanded? Or is this new behavior in DC? I'm hesitant to put too much blame on Shanahan. Not saying he's a good coach, but there's a difference between failure and malevolence.

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[quote=Brody81;1047260]Do you know this for sure, or are you just assuming he wasn't drawing up plays for Kyle?


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I am assuming. And even if he did who cares? Do we actually think any coach would quietly accept such "advice"? No, especially not when MS is involved.

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[quote=FRPLG;1047250]Why not? You're aware of how this works everywhere else? Intimate knowledge?

You don't know a damn thing about Cooke. Stop acting like you do. You THINK things. Some of them good, some of the dumb like everyone else.[/quote]

So you're saying Russell Wilson goes and hangs out with Paul Allen? lol. I doubt that's happening.

From everything I've heard Cooke didn't associate with the players at all.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1047261]What is the big deal? They were both out in Dallas and had dinner.[/quote]

Again, to me it's just wrong for an owner to hang out with a rookie QB. Now if it's Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? ...an established vet? I can understand. It's plain old common sense.

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I agree with Chico. If we can give Bruce Allen a chance next year with a full salary cap, he'll fix a lot of holes on this team. We have a very good, young core and can can be good for years to come once we get the supporting cast. It was impossible to build a competitive team with that cap penalty.

Special teams especially suffered. We couldn't afford to keep Lorenzo Alexander and that was a huge hit to that unit. We couldn't afford a solid #2 WR. We had to just live with the scrubs on the offensive line and at safety. Depth was another thing lost. Once we had a few injuries to guys like Carricker, Bowen, Thomas, there was simply no one behind them and our decent preseason depth chart was obliterated.

Disaster year but believe it or not, this team is in the right direction. It may not be an easy job, but we have some bright spots for the future.

Hopefully we'll switch back to a 4-3, using Kerrigan and Orakpo in their natural DE positions to do what they do best. We'll get a good complementary WR for Garcon. Griffin, Morris and Reed will continue to succeed.

An offensive line is one thing we've been missing since our great squad of Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, Randy Thomas, Derrick Dockery and Ray Brown. Vinny seemed to completely disregard the need for it, thinking weapons alone can make a good offense. We just couldn't afford upgrades the past couple years. I fully expect an overhaul outside of Trent coming.

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[quote=Coff;1047265]Has Shanny done that in the past? It's hard to navigate around the nonsense to get to the truth, but how much of a problem was Shanny's personality in Denver? Has be always been known to be backhanded? Or is this new behavior in DC? I'm hesitant to put too much blame on Shanahan. Not saying he's a good coach, but there's a difference between failure and malevolence.[/quote]

Not sure about Denver, but his relationship with Schefter and Graziano is close. He may have also just been a much better coach 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1047261]What is the big deal? They were both out in Dallas and had dinner.[/QUOTE]

Sends the wrong message to the team that one player is above all. Also, if Bob was such a great leader, don't you think he would avoid situations that would alienate him from his teammates?


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[quote=skinsfan69;1047268]So you're saying Russell Wilson goes and hangs out with Paul Allen? lol. I doubt that's happening.

From everything I've heard Cooke didn't associate with the players at all.[/quote]

What does it matter is the point? Why would it matter if they ate dinner together? Who would DS be allowed to hang out with in this magical unicorn land of strict compartmentalization? Why is it a bad thing? Could it in any way be a good thing?

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[quote=Brody81;1047277]Sends the wrong message to the team that one player is above all. Also, if Bob was such a great leader, don't you think he would avoid situations that would alienate him from his teammates?


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And what message is that? I think most pro players know starting QBs ARE above the rest of the team. You think Tom Brady with his super model wife, endorsements and pretty hair is just one of the guys to other players? Probably not, but the question is whether the other players respect him when it comes to football. They do. And our team respects Rob.

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[quote=FRPLG;1047278]What does it matter is the point? Why would it matter if they ate dinner together? Who would DS be allowed to hang out with in this magical unicorn land of strict compartmentalization? Why is it a bad thing? Could it in any way be a good thing?[/quote]

People just want to find something to bitch about.

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Most of the roster will be turned over within two years, so it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

If Griffin gets worse about alienating his teammates, then there's a problem. But he's 23 and getting used to fame, and I'm not worried about it.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1047272]I agree with Chico. If we can give Bruce Allen a chance next year with a full salary cap, he'll fix a lot of holes on this team. We have a very good, young core and can can be good for years to come once we get the supporting cast. It was impossible to build a competitive team with that cap penalty.

Special teams especially suffered. We couldn't afford to keep Lorenzo Alexander and that was a huge hit to that unit. We couldn't afford a solid #2 WR. We had to just live with the scrubs on the offensive line and at safety. Depth was another thing lost. Once we had a few injuries to guys like Carricker, Bowen, Thomas, there was simply no one behind them and our decent preseason depth chart was obliterated.

Disaster year but believe it or not, this team is in the right direction. It may not be an easy job, but we have some bright spots for the future.

Hopefully we'll switch back to a 4-3, using Kerrigan and Orakpo in their natural DE positions to do what they do best. We'll get a good complementary WR for Garcon. Griffin, Morris and Reed will continue to succeed.

An offensive line is one thing we've been missing since our great squad of Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, Randy Thomas, Derrick Dockery and Ray Brown. Vinny seemed to completely disregard the need for it, thinking weapons alone can make a good offense. We just couldn't afford upgrades the past couple years. I fully expect an overhaul outside of Trent coming.[/quote]

I really hope the team can make good personnel decisions going forward. We have some good players in key positions (QB, RB, LT, WR1, and OLBs), but we're going to need some decent/solid players in the offensive line, among in the Linebackers, and in the Secondary

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047283]Most of the roster will be turned over within two years, so it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

If Griffin gets worse about alienating his teammates, then there's a problem. But he's 23 and getting used to fame, and I'm not worried about it.[/quote]

Ehh I rethought and edited that out.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1047284]I really hope the team can make good personnel decisions going forward. We have some good players in key positions (QB, RB, LT, WR1, and OLBs), but we're going to need some decent/solid players in the offensive line, among in the Linebackers, and in the Secondary[/quote]

Upgrading the offensive line and the secondary would help tremendously! But I have to say, after this year, if the special teams are not completely overhauled then the effort this franchise puts into upgrading the defense will be all for naught. You just simply can't win ball games when the special teams gives up over 300 yards and two touchdowns.

[QUOTE=FRPLG;1047280]And what message is that? I think most pro players know starting QBs ARE above the rest of the team. You think Tom Brady with his super model wife, endorsements and pretty hair is just one of the guys to other players? Probably not, but the question is whether the other players respect him when it comes to football. They do. And our team respects Rob.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Dan should try something new and stop sniffing jocks!!


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[QUOTE=FRPLG;1047280]And what message is that? I think most pro players know starting QBs ARE above the rest of the team. You think Tom Brady with his super model wife, endorsements and pretty hair is just one of the guys to other players? Probably not, but the question is whether the other players respect him when it comes to football. They do. And our team respects Rob.[/QUOTE]

Understand, but Bob is not Tom Brady. Not even close. Also, do you know all the players respect Bob, or are you assuming again?


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[quote=Brody81;1047289]Understand, but Bob is not Tom Brady. Not even close. Also, do you know all the players respect Bob, or are you assuming again?


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Are you assuming they don't?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047283]Most of the roster will be turned over within two years, so it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

If Griffin gets worse about alienating his teammates, then there's a problem. But he's 23 and getting used to fame, and I'm not worried about it.[/quote]

your gonna see alot of turnover after this season, but you could see that plan coming 2 years ago. There are lots of personel decisions to be made on others as well. Not a bad thing. Cap hit blessing in disguise, this situation coulda been alot worse.

Skins in a great position contract wise in a ton of areas.

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[quote=Chico23231;1047292]your gonna see alot of turnover after this season, but you could see that plan coming 2 years ago. There are lots of personel decisions to be made on others as well. Not a bad thing. Cap hit blessing in disguise, this situation coulda been alot worse.

Skins in a great position contract wise in a ton of areas.[/quote]They'll be in an even better position after 2014. I think they'll slowplay it next offseason. Turn over a lot of the pieces they know won't contribute long term, but give the Garcon's, Hankerson's, Morris', Helu's, and DY's a chance to earn it in a new system. Would be shocked if all the FA spending next year wasn't on defense and the OL.

Grab a receiver with the second round pick, see if Jordan Reed can stay healthy a whole year, and roll with it.

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[quote=Brody81;1047289]Understand, but Bob is not Tom Brady. Not even close. Also, do you know all the players respect Bob, or are you assuming again?


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Look at the situation. Read what gets reported and evaluate it. When crap comes out about Bob what happens? The players around him bolt to defend. You hear anyone bolt to defend Shanny yet? Given everything that is out there right now it is looking more and more like MS has been systematically positioning himself to not take blame. That has included trying to divvy out accountability in every direction but those that reflect badly on him. Nothing towards KS (who I imagine is dying to get out of all of this), nothing towards any of his crony coaches, nothing towards Burns (his hire). Everything towards those that make him feel insecure.

Yes i am :-) we are all playing the assumption game. What I do know is there is a problem with this organization, and one person has been is the drivers seat.


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[quote=FRPLG;1047280]And what message is that? I think most pro players know starting QBs ARE above the rest of the team. You think Tom Brady with his super model wife, endorsements and pretty hair is just one of the guys to other players? Probably not, but the question is whether the other players respect him when it comes to football. [B]They do. And our team respects Rob.[/quote][/B]

How do you know? You have no idea what the players think of him. I'm sure if you asked Moss, Garcon or some of his O-linemen they'd probably have a different opinion from yours.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047298][/B]

How do you know? You have no idea what the players think of him. I'm sure if you asked Moss, Garcon or some of his O-linemen they'd probably have a different opinion from yours.[/quote]

Neither do you.

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I thought this was weird, read Garçons third tweet. [url]https://mobile.twitter.com/PierreGarcon[/url]

What did he say it wont load for me

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"I knew you was trouble when you walked in" -Garçon

I know this could be song lyrics but...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047298][/B]

How do you know? You have no idea what the players think of him. I'm sure if you asked Moss, Garcon or some of his O-linemen they'd probably have a different opinion from yours.[/quote]

Why do you think that?

[QUOTE=spAtt;1047311]"I knew you was trouble when you walked in" -Garçon

I know this could be song lyrics but...[/QUOTE]

Have no clue what that even means lol

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[url]https://twitter.com/pierregarcon/status/409929896249397248[/url]

This link should work just to show I was not making it up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1047318]Have no clue what that even means lol[/quote]

I agree as well, I just thought it was odd.