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When I watch Amerson, I really like what I see in terms of how he reads and reacts to route combinations. Statistically, he needs a lot of improvement. I think pairing him with a starting corner like Hall or ideally someone better is probably the way to go. I think you have to draft an interior guy (which we needed to to five years ago) and give Crawford enough reps to establish himself as well.

The good news is that it's not just Amerson, it's Amerson, Rambo and Phillip Thomas.

I think in his next 2 year's he'll become a good corner kinda like hall was his first few years in the league, remember he was considered a top 10 CB in Atlanta

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He's got a long way to go. I think he can get there, but not without a lot of help from coaches, teammates, pass rush, circumstance, etc.

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there's enough good DBs and OTs in FA that i wouldn't bother drafting them high. OG is a weak FA spot (among others) that's better filled in the 2nd-3rd round.

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[quote=SirLK26;1056517]I hope not. We need to resign Hall and sign a starting caliber corner in FA, because Amerson isn't ready to start.



Well, then, that's not good news. But Richardson is the guy I wanted more anyway. So if he or one of the first-round rated O-linemen like Kouandijo, Lewan, or Su'a-Filo aren't available, then Skov is the best option. I think he'll be a fine NFL player; I just think finding long-term protection for RG3 is the most important task this offseason.[/quote]

I agree that they need to make some changes on the O-line, but the biggest protection to RG3 is going to be RG3. He has to get better at being a QB and making adjustments, I think some of those big hits he took and sacks fall on his shoulders. Hopefully these coaches can get him to where he needs to be, he has the work ethic so only time will tell.

So at #34 you take BPA at position of need.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1056537]It's one thing if you think Amerson just can't cut it at this level, but you can't draft a guy, retain his coordinator and position coach, give him significant playing time a rookie, and then not put him in the starting lineup in year two if he's still in your plans. If Amerson can play, he needs to start. If he can't...then that was a really costly pick.[/quote]

I agree he should start but they can't go into the season counting on him as their #1 CB. They need to either resign Hall or add a free agent like Talib.

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[quote=celts32;1056584]I agree he should start but they can't go into the season counting on him as their #1 CB. They need to either resign Hall or add a free agent like Talib.[/quote]I agree with this.

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I imagine the secondary will be made a priority in FA.

As for Amerson, I think he has the potential to be a very solid starter at the very least. Sure he got burned on a few occasions like any rookie CB, but he also showed he could make some big plays too. The talent is certainly there if he can put it together. I recall reading this leading up to the draft last year, “scouts are impressed with his competitive drive to get better, showing vast improvement between his freshman and sophomore seasons. And the coaching staff says there is no problem keeping Amerson hungry, as he is one of the top practice players each week.”, which is reassuring enough to suggest he’ll be the first to look to how he can make the necessary improvements.

On a side note, Aaron Donald allegedly looked like a beast on the first day of Senior Bowl practice. Allegedly made Cyril Richardson (who I only note due to him being mentioned in other posts) look foolish on 4 separate occasions. Be interesting to see what we do if he’s still on the board in the 2nd.

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How old is Amerson? 21 or 22? He more than showed that he can hold his own as a rookie. Yeah he had some growing pains but he's got the skills to be a top player at his position. Plus he's 6'2 or 6'3? I think we have a building block there. We just need a few more like him in this upcoming draft.

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I would have agreed, but after looking up some of his stats, he was way worse than it came off to me. Maybe it was the fact Josh Wilson got bent over every other play, but I read something that Amerson gave the highest yards per catch of any other DB. If anything, I remember him playing really well the last 3-4 games, so hopefully the upward trend continues.

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I think the retention of the defensive coaching staff is the best thing to happen to Amerson.

We're also going to need to invest in some man cover guys. Amerson is an obvious target when the Skins are in man to man coverage. Not that I don't trust him or he can't improve, but offenses are going to scheme all week to try to get one on one matchups against Amerson.

I think there's only likely to be one pick spent in the secondary, somewhere between the 3rd and 5th rounds. They will go get a corner, and probably a safety in free agency. But I also think the secondary is much less of an issue from a personnel perspective without the Great Shanahan Zone Coverage Mandate of 2010-13.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1056597]I would have agreed, but after looking up some of his stats, he was way worse than it came off to me. Maybe it was the fact Josh Wilson got bent over every other play, but I read something that Amerson gave the highest yards per catch of any other DB. If anything, I remember him playing really well the last 3-4 games, so hopefully the upward trend continues.[/quote]This is essentially accurate, and why I'm saying he needs statistical improvement.

In defense of Amerson, a lot of the bad completions he gave up came way back in Week 2, when Aaron Rodgers found that wound and just kept pressing on it. Without that game, his season is not great, but not out of line among rookies.

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Pro Football Focus had this to say going into Week 15,

“The Redskins drafted David Amerson in the second round to be a long, physical corner to play on the outside. However, what they got is a rookie cornerback who has struggled with the pro game — Amerson is the eighth-lowest graded cornerback this season. The most worrying part of the Redskins’ secondary has been the safety play.

I’m not overly concerned though as I’m more surprised when a rookie CB excels tbh. They’re picked on for a reason and when you have to face seasoned vet’s like Manning, Stafford, Rodgers and Ryan amongst others, then it’ll be a steep learning curve. For me though, Amerson’s struggles have to be considered alongside not just the mentioned safety issues, but perhaps more importanly the lack of consistent pressure up front. Even average QB’s will find a target if they’re given enough time to go through their reads after all and if the D can be revamped between the draft and FA, then we should hopefully see vast improvements all round.

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[quote=Starry Plough;1056601]Pro Football Focus had this to say going into Week 15,

“The Redskins drafted David Amerson in the second round to be a long, physical corner to play on the outside. However, what they got is a rookie cornerback who has struggled with the pro game — Amerson is the eighth-lowest graded cornerback this season. The most worrying part of the Redskins’ secondary has been the safety play.

I’m not overly concerned though as I’m more surprised when a rookie CB excels tbh. They’re picked on for a reason and when you have to face seasoned vet’s like Manning, Stafford, Rodgers and Ryan amongst others, then it’ll be a steep learning curve. For me though, Amerson’s struggles have to be considered alongside not just the mentioned safety issues, but perhaps more importanly the lack of consistent pressure up front. Even average QB’s will find a target if they’re given enough time to go through their reads after all and if the D can be revamped between the draft and FA, then we should hopefully see vast improvements all round.[/quote]

Is this the same place which claimed top ten Oline? Amerson had ups and down. No way he should be the #1 CB next year, thats laughable and the FO isnt that stupid. I thought Amerson flashed pretty well. If your worried about Amerson, you are worried about the wrong things about this defense.

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[quote=Chico23231;1056604]Is this the same place which claimed top ten Oline? Amerson had ups and down. No way he should be the #1 CB next year, thats laughable and the FO isnt that stupid. I thought Amerson flashed pretty well. If your worried about Amerson, you are worried about the wrong things about this defense.[/quote]

Top 3 actually. ;-)

I don’t consider PFF nor any other statistical site to be gospel admittedly. I referenced them merely to provide a bit of perspective on Amerson’s positives and negatives. To reiterate, I believe he’ll work out just fine. He’s a smart kid with a great work ethic. Couple that with his natural skill-set and he’ll hopefully be a very solid contributor for the years to come and [I]then[/I] maybe after he gets another year or two under his belt we can start talking about him being the leader of our secondary.

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[quote=celts32;1056584]I agree he should start but they can't go into the season counting on him as their #1 CB. They need to either resign Hall or add a free agent like Talib.[/quote]

I completely agree. If nothing else, you can never have enough good corners.

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Hell I want both Rak and Byrd.

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[quote=redskins5044;1056550]I agree that they need to make some changes on the O-line, but the biggest protection to RG3 is going to be RG3.[B] He has to get better at being a QB and making adjustments, I think some of those big hits he took and sacks fall on his shoulders[/B]. Hopefully these coaches can get him to where he needs to be, he has the work ethic so only time will tell.

So at #34 you take BPA at position of need.[/quote]

True that, but you can't expect a 2nd year QB to be as good as Aaron Rodgers at moving around the pocket, finding the open man, and getting the ball out. That's something that comes with time(and a line that can actually form a pocket). RG3 would take a huge statistical step forward if he had WRs who could get open, because he's not good enough yet to throw them open. He would also take a big step forward if the O-line could form a pocket he could work from, something it never did. RG3 does have work to do, like any young QB, but it's not all on him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1056611]Hell I want both Rak and Byrd.[/quote]

Hell, I want Orakpo, Byrd, Verner, Mack, and Decker.

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Biggest thing we have to remember that while we CAN go a bit nuts in FA, it's not going to let us sign 4-5 big-time guys. Assuming we resign Hall, resign Riley, MAYBE get a Byrd/Ware, MAYBE resign Hall, we're probably going to be a bit more limited than we'd like to think.

CC or Schneed could answer it better based on speculation, but I think we could get 1-2 top quality guys and maybe 2-3 more depth guys.

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$30M goes a pretty long way with the way the first years are typically structured to be pretty reasonable.

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Aaron Rodgers is also the most obvious example that a mobile quarterback doesn't have to consistently get through his reads or make every throw from the pocket or never take a bad sack in order to win a lot of games or throw for a lot of yards. Rodgers is pretty comfortable as a pocket passer, but a lot of his big plays that separate him from the Jay Cutler's of the world come when he breaks the pocket.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1056597]I would have agreed, but after looking up some of his stats, he was way worse than it came off to me. Maybe it was the fact Josh Wilson got bent over every other play, but I read something that Amerson gave the highest yards per catch of any other DB. If anything, I remember him playing really well the last 3-4 games, so hopefully the upward trend continues.[/quote]

For me Amerson passes the eye test. He can make plays on the ball. He's willing to wrap up and tackle. I like what I see from him. He just needs more coaching, game experience and perhaps better safety play behind him.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1056624]Biggest thing we have to remember that while we CAN go a bit nuts in FA, it's not going to let us sign 4-5 big-time guys. Assuming we resign Hall, resign Riley, MAYBE get a Byrd/Ware, MAYBE resign Hall, we're probably going to be a bit more limited than we'd like to think.

CC or Schneed could answer it better based on speculation, but I think we could get 1-2 top quality guys and maybe 2-3 more depth guys.[/quote]

Just to be clear, I don't really think we can sign all the guys I mentioned. I was just sayin'. I do, however, think we can sign multiple impact players. After resigning Orakpo, Riley, Hall, and Davis, we can still sign Ward or Byrd, Verner, Monroe, and a WR like Sanders, Cooper, or Jacoby Jones. Like Matty said, 1st years are structured in a way that we could fit all those guys in.

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I also think we could get Jeremy Maclin for cheap

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1057369]I also think we could get Jeremy Maclin for cheap[/QUOTE]

Thatd be nice

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1057377]Thatd be nice[/quote]

Coming off injury, has something to prove, would be a good pairing with Garcon.

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Right now I am hoping we trade down. If we can get an additional 3rd round pick and move down, that has to be the move. We have a lot of holes to fill.

The other question is will Cousins be traded and if so for what? Who needs a QB?

Browns
Jets?
Texans
Jags
Titans?
Raiders
Vikings
Cardinals

I'd offer Kc to Cleveland for a 3rd and that way they won't need to trade up for manziel.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1057384][B]Right now I am hoping we trade down. [/B]If we can get an additional 3rd round pick and move down, that has to be the move. We have a lot of holes to fill.

The other question is will Cousins be traded and if so for what? Who needs a QB?

Browns
Jets?
Texans
Jags
Titans?
Raiders
Vikings
Cardinals[/quote]

This year a record number of underclassmen have made themselves draft-eligible, making this year's draft very deep. Talent which may have gone in rounds 2-3 in previous years will go in rounds 4-5 this year. With this in mind, your idea of trading down is a very good one.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1057384]Right now I am hoping we trade down. If we can get an additional 3rd round pick and move down, that has to be the move. We have a lot of holes to fill.

The other question is will Cousins be traded and if so for what? Who needs a QB?

Browns
Jets?
Texans
Jags
Titans?
Raiders
Vikings
Cardinals[/quote]

Sometimes, it's just time to take a blue chip prospect, and I think this year is the right timing for that. Sure, I'd love a bunch of role players and/or added depth, but like I've said earlier, we have a shot at top prospects at either G or C. Not saying it's a sure thing, but I say we stay where we are, take one of those guys and go from there.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1057389]Sometimes, it's just time to take a blue chip prospect, and I think this year is the right timing for that. Sure, I'd love a bunch of role players and/or added depth, but like I've said earlier, we have a shot at top prospects at either G or C. Not saying it's a sure thing, but I say we stay where we are, take one of those guys and go from there.[/quote]


Yeah, if we get an offer we can't refuse, (Extra 2nd rounder, 1st rounder next year) Cool, but if not I say take BPA at a place of need, whether it be ILB, NT, DE, CB, WR, OT, OG whatever.


Also, on an unrelated note, Daniel McClusters from Tennessee is a guy I like in the 3rd or so. 6'8" 350lb NT.

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The best CB/RT available at 34 would be my choice. Unless there is a player at another position that is blatantly obvious and should have been picked way higher (HOPE HOPE HOPE Sammy Watkins, I know it won't happen, but good example).

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1057407]The best CB/RT available at 34 would be my choice. Unless there is a player at another position that is blatantly obvious and should have been picked way higher (HOPE HOPE HOPE Sammy Watkins, I know it won't happen, but good example).[/quote]


If Sammy Watkins through some act of God fell to 34, pretty sure that would be the fastest pick in team history, beating the Orakpo pick.

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If falls to the second round it will be because he gets arrested in the months leading up to the draft and it comes out he has a drug problem.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1057413]If Sammy Watkins through some act of God fell to 34, pretty sure that would be the fastest pick in team history, beating the Orakpo pick.[/quote]

God is a powerful cat, he could make it happen, all kidding aside, I'm talking more like some guy that should have been drafted like 20-33 that somehow fell and is way obvious that he is BPA.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1057413]If Sammy Watkins through some act of God fell to 34, pretty sure that would be the fastest pick in team history, beating the Orakpo pick.[/QUOTE]

Won't happen , maybe Benjamin though

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1057452]Won't happen , maybe Benjamin though[/quote]

Oh, I know it won't, just saying if it did. Benjamin I like at 6'5" 230 lbs I guess, there is just something about him that is like "hmmmmm" to me.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1057391]Yeah, if we get an offer we can't refuse, (Extra 2nd rounder, 1st rounder next year) Cool, but if not I say take BPA at a place of need, whether it be ILB, NT, DE, CB, WR, OT, OG whatever.


Also, on an unrelated note, Daniel McClusters from Tennessee is a guy I like in the 3rd or so. 6'8" 350lb NT.[/quote]

That is a MASSIVE man. Jeezus. Cofield can play whatever along the line, so if we got a giant NT, I'd be OK with it (if someone fell, not targeting it).

And I love Sammy Watkins. HATE what he always did against VT though. Guy is a straight baller and it seems like we're seeing a ton of can't-miss WR prospects the last few years.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1057459]Oh, I know it won't, just saying if it did. Benjamin I like at 6'5" 230 lbs I guess, there is just something about him that is like "hmmmmm" to me.[/quote]

Not saying he wouldn't be great, but the games I saw of him were very "Hankerson"-y. People kept calling Hank a long plodder and I see that in Benjamin. Now, hands-wise, Benjamin is AWESOME and is way more physical than Hank.