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[quote=over the mountain;1066107]I would pass on desean, unless the money was skins friendly (which I doubt)

his addition would be a luxury, not a need.

im not so much worried about the off field stuff as i am with allocating too much money on receiver. even if his cap hit was 5-6 this year, id guess his average salary would be end up near 10 mil per. we have rg3, trent, rak, kerrigan to re-sign in the next few years.[/quote]

Luxury? Who's this elite deep threat that you speak of that's currently on the Redskins roster? Desean is an Elite deep threat WR.... a game changing type of "play-maker" that we haven't had since Moss was in his prime. The Superbowl as you know goes through Seattle or either San Francisco, and we need every weapon we can get in order to become a Superbowl contender.

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[quote=ethat001;1066118]I'm increasingly joining the bandwagon on this. These moves are always about the "IF"s. IF he doesn't get into trouble, IF he gets along with coach, IF he is motivated -- he'd be awesome for us. These high profile moves - if they work, they can make your franchise. If they fail, it takes 3-5 years to rebuild, salvage the salary cap, and get a new coach.

With DJax, we solve a major issue. I think you're more likely to get a very good safety, RT, MLB in the second round than a WR.

[B]Also in a strange way -- if our offense finally starts scoring again, it can make opposing offenses one dimensional / pass-first.[/B] That could help our defense, & allow our D-line just rush the QB. Not sure how our secondary would respond. So ironically, by helping our offense -- there's a chance DJax could indirectly make our defense more effective.[/quote]

That rarely ever works. Indy/NE/Denver tried it and they were bounced out the first round after finishing the season with the best regular season record.
I understand what you are saying but that is the recipe for winning regular season games, not championships.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;1066120]Luxury? Who's this elite deep threat that you speak of that's currently on the Redskins roster? Desean is an Elite deep threat WR.... a game changing type of "play-maker" that we haven't had since Moss was in his prime. The Superbowl as you know goes through Seattle or either San Francisco, and we need every weapon we can get in order to become a Superbowl contender.[/quote]

Also need a defense like Seattle or San Fran.

Denver had plenty of weapons and one of the best QB's to ever play going against Seattle...

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=ethat001;1066118]I'm increasingly joining the bandwagon on this. These moves are always about the "IF"s. IF he doesn't get into trouble, IF he gets along with coach, IF he is motivated -- he'd be awesome for us. These high profile moves - if they work, they can make your franchise. If they fail, it takes 3-5 years to rebuild, salvage the salary cap, and get a new coach.

With DJax, we solve a major issue. I think you're more likely to get a very good safety, RT, MLB in the second round than a WR.

Also in a strange way -- if our offense finally starts scoring again, it can make opposing offenses one dimensional / pass-first. That could help our defense, & allow our D-line just rush the QB. Not sure how our secondary would respond. So ironically, by helping our offense -- there's a chance DJax could indirectly make our defense more effective.[/quote]


I agree...

I also think this frees up the draft to focus on Defense, Oline, and a speedy back.

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One of the best Redskin free agent picks ever was Gary Clark. USFL cast off from JMU. Petulant, abrasive, selfish, hard to deal with. That's why coaches are paid the big dollars. They need to know how to manage people. Gibbs was the master at it. If we sign Jackson hopefully Gruden can follow in those footsteps and bring the best out in Jackson.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=over the mountain;1066107]I would pass on desean, unless the money was skins friendly (which I doubt)

his addition would be a luxury, not a need.

im not so much worried about the off field stuff as i am with allocating too much money on receiver. even if his cap hit was 5-6 this year, id guess his average salary would be end up near 10 mil per. we have rg3, trent, rak, kerrigan to re-sign in the next few years.[/quote]

While we do have to resign Trent, his salary is already high. This year his cap number is 11 mil and next year, its over 14 mil. We already have the cap space available to resign Trent built into his current cap numbers. In fact, we could resign Trent today, and have lower cap numbers this year and next. Orakpo is very similar with this year only, he is already counting over 11 mil. Its the other 2 that needs to be worried about.

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I'm torn on this. On one hand, he would be a great asset on the field for our team. On the other, we aren't exactly the type of environment that allows a moody player with attitude issues to succeed. Way too many times that has burnt us in the past.

Idk, I guess I would sign him, but only for a team friendly contract that allows us to easily cut ties once his attitude becomes a distraction for the team. Usually when we mix our favorite team and those kinds of players, the question isn't if he'll mess something up, but when. I definitely wouldn't give him 10 million a year, but I would give him somewhere between 5-7 mil per. But seeing as how he'll have his pick of suitors, and given the fact that his "pay me" attitude is one in a long list of reasons why the Eagles cut him, I doubt we will be in the running for whatever team he picks. Only way I see us signing him is if he takes a smaller deal just to stick it to the Eagles twice a year.

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Was it last year or the year before that DJ wouldnt speak with his oc? I forget...I do remember they had to have another player speak to the coach for him because he wouldnt.
To play devils advocate to my not wanting him...he is a legitimate threat, and in addition it would be nice to have the inside track on chip Kelly's offense. I like what he does on the field (when he wants to, but he can honestly act like one of those kids on my super sweet 16 party, or whatever). And im not saying anything about the gang talk..because, honestly, I could care less about that.
Regardless, though...if we do sign him..ill be hoping/rooting for triple digit yardage game in and game out from him, because my love for the skins trumps my dislike for DJ by light years.
HAIL!

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We should definitely sign him. No question about it. He's still relatively young, and when was the last time the Redskins had a bona-fide Pro-Bowl caliber WR? Do it.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1066126]One of the best Redskin free agent picks ever was Gary Clark. USFL cast off from JMU. Petulant, abrasive, selfish, hard to deal with. That's why coaches are paid the big dollars. They need to know how to manage people. Gibbs was the master at it. If we sign Jackson hopefully Gruden can follow in those footsteps and bring the best out in Jackson.[/quote]

I'm sorry but Gary was nothing like Jackson, Gary was arrogant but was a team player, didn't act selfish, was a serious competitor, Gibbs would have cut his ass. My best friend played hoops against Gary at JMU, almost got in a fight with him, off the court was cool, my buddy and roommate tutored Charles Haley.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1066129]Was it last year or the year before that DJ wouldnt speak with his oc? I forget...I do remember they had to have another player speak to the coach for him because he wouldnt.
[/quote]

You never can predict how things fall out, but on paper it seems that both Gruden and Sean McVay are players coaches that seem to get along with the players... May work better, or may not..

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I hope so. My motto is hope for sunshine, but bring an umbrella....even though I dont even own an umbrella..which is a metaphor wrapped in an enigma.

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Please god let this happen. Would give us the vertical threat we need opposite garcon and would free us up a little bit in the draft.

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Line up the ESPN clerical pool and see if he can pass the conditioning test, then we'll talk.......

[QUOTE=OnceWeWereKings;1066133]I hope so. My motto is hope for sunshine, but bring an umbrella....even though I dont even own an umbrella..which is a metaphor wrapped in an enigma.[/QUOTE]

Brilliant

;)

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Gruden wants his Hawkins type player so his eyes lit up when DJax was available so it will not surprise me if he signs tomorrow with us. DJax wants to payback Philly and trust me Iggles fans do not want to face him twice a year.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=tc2deuce;1066141]Gruden wants his Hawkins type player so his eyes lit up when DJax was available so it will not surprise me if he signs tomorrow with us. DJax wants to payback Philly and trust me Iggles fans do not want to face him twice a year.[/quote]

No they don't. Every one of my friends / family is SAHKING at the notion of him suiting up in B & G

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I would much rather draft a WR like Kelvin Benjamin........DJax can boost our offense and he may be a great teammate but it's a high risk/high reward with him...... we will know by tomorrow evening if he signs with us or not....

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1066143]I would much rather draft a WR like Kelvin Benjamin........DJax can boost our offense and he may be a great teammate but it's a high risk/high reward with him...... we will know by tomorrow evening if he signs with us or not....[/QUOTE]

If we draft a WR it likely has to be in the 2nd or 3rd round and we could get a S and RT in those spots. Probably starters or close to starting ability. DJax would really open the draft to our needs.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1066143]I would much rather draft a WR like Kelvin Benjamin........DJax can boost our offense and he may be a great teammate but it's a high risk/high reward with him...... we will know by tomorrow evening if he signs with us or not....[/quote]

I don't mind drafting another WR. But we've done that and missed so many times, and it takes 2-3 years to develop / find out what you have.. In fact, in 2008, we drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis BEFORE Desean Jackson in the second round. And they aren't playing any more.. Hankerson as well has underperformed to date. In comparison Djax had two 100 yard outings in his first two games alone. I'm much more confident in DJax on the field than a 2nd round rookie.

Cowboys fans reactions. Typical (not the thread title but the comments in the thread)
[url]http://cowboyszone.com/threads/if-desean-jackson-signs-with-the-redskins-on-monday-uh-oh.286425/[/url]

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066145]If we draft a WR it likely has to be in the [B]2nd or 3rd round and we could get a S and RT i[/B]n those spots. Probably starters or close to starting ability. DJax would really open the draft to our needs.[/quote]

bingo, and doesn't just give us a hope and a prayer at a number 2 wr

Draft picks are great but they have a certain performance risk that come with them. DJ at WR Y or X position is a much better options!

OR OLB, ILB, CB, or NT at 2,3?

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066147]Cowboys fans reactions. Typical (not the thread title but the comments in the thread)
[url=http://cowboyszone.com/threads/if-desean-jackson-signs-with-the-redskins-on-monday-uh-oh.286425/]If Desean Jackson signs with the Redskins on Monday Uh Oh | Dallas Cowboys Forum - CowboysZone.com[/url][/quote]

Posts I caught while skimming:

Redskins have no QB

Alfred Morris won't be anything without Shanny

Redskins lost their best chance at doing anything anytime soon when they got rid of Shanahan

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comical

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1066143]I would much rather draft a WR like Kelvin Benjamin........DJax can boost our offense and he may be a great teammate but it's a high risk/high reward with him...... we will know by tomorrow evening if he signs with us or not....[/quote]

He'll be long gone by the time we pick.

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Today is the day. Get it done BA! HTTR

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066147]Cowboys fans reactions. Typical (not the thread title but the comments in the thread)
[url=http://cowboyszone.com/threads/if-desean-jackson-signs-with-the-redskins-on-monday-uh-oh.286425/]If Desean Jackson signs with the Redskins on Monday Uh Oh | Dallas Cowboys Forum - CowboysZone.com[/url][/quote]

Always. It's funny how quickly they forgot how we dominated them two years ago and now we're pure garbage? Sure, we're worse than 10-6, but not as bad as 3-13.

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[QUOTE][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/03/30/redskins-may-not-be-willing-to-break-the-bank-for-jackson/]Redskins may not be willing to break the bank for Jackson[/url]

[I]"Another person familiar with the team’s deliberations said that the team will only sign Jackson “if he’ll come on the cheap.”
[/I]
[/QUOTE]

If we're trying to get him "on the cheap", I suspect we'll miss again on another free agent, which honestly may not be a horrible thing. Just unfortunately could be another let-down for us..

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066147]Cowboys fans reactions. Typical (not the thread title but the comments in the thread)
[url=http://cowboyszone.com/threads/if-desean-jackson-signs-with-the-redskins-on-monday-uh-oh.286425/]If Desean Jackson signs with the Redskins on Monday Uh Oh | Dallas Cowboys Forum - CowboysZone.com[/url][/quote]

The one comment that hurt: "Oh man that would've been terrifying before Shanahan broke RG3."

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=ethat001;1066166]If we're trying to get him "on the cheap", I suspect we'll miss again on another free agent, which honestly may not be a horrible thing. Just unfortunately could be another let-down for us..[/quote]

I am guessing here but I would think there had been some preliminary discusion on salary prior to this meeting today. If the skins and JAckson were worlds apart $$$ wise probably would not bother meeting today.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066147]Cowboys fans reactions. Typical (not the thread title but the comments in the thread)
[url=http://cowboyszone.com/threads/if-desean-jackson-signs-with-the-redskins-on-monday-uh-oh.286425/]If Desean Jackson signs with the Redskins on Monday Uh Oh | Dallas Cowboys Forum - CowboysZone.com[/url][/quote]

So that's what fear sounds like?

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We should have picked De Sean out of college but we were trying to get big receivers and picked Kelly and Thomas. Stupid way to pick players based on height. Look at the tape can they play football. Jackson is a football player. We have big receivers but they can't catch.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=skins89moss;1065967]DeSean is from Long Beach, CA a area with a lot of Crip gangs. He grew up in a area that has street gangs so you know he still has the hang a round guys when he comes back to home. D-Jax has a record label so you know his label isn't signing country western singers. DeSean needs to decide does he want to be a record label mogul or a pro bowl football player. I hope this is a wake up call for D-Jax.[/quote]


[url=http://www.wltx.com/story/sports/2014/03/29/lapd-desean-jackson-not-linked-to-gang-activity/7067065/]LAPD: DeSean Jackson Not Linked to Gang Activity[/url]

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[quote=ethat001;1066166]If we're trying to get him "on the cheap", I suspect we'll miss again on another free agent, which honestly may not be a horrible thing. Just unfortunately could be another let-down for us..[/quote]

We'll see what happens, but I think this is the team responding to the media chatter that is ramping up expectations on the team signing him. Since the deal hasn't been done yet, it's in their best interests to leak tidbits like this to the media to maintain a little leverage at the negotiating table.

I don't think anything has changed, I still think they're all in.

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I heard down at the Chuck Wagon that he's a member of the Apple Dumpling Gang.

[QUOTE=ethat001;1066166]If we're trying to get him "on the cheap", I suspect we'll miss again on another free agent, which honestly may not be a horrible thing. Just unfortunately could be another let-down for us..[/QUOTE]

Hopefully there is middle ground they can reach between breaking the bank and pinching pennies.

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Probably by signing DJax we will lose out on one of our Stars down the road.

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[quote=mredskins;1066178]Probably by signing DJax we will lose out on one of our Stars down the road.[/quote]

I doubt it would do that. No reason why we can't sign Jackson and re-sign Rak, Kerrigan, Griffin, or Morris.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066177]Hopefully there is middle ground they can reach between breaking the bank and pinching pennies.[/quote]

4 years 24-28 million with 15 million guaranteed?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1066181]4 years 24-28 million with 15 million guaranteed?[/quote]

I think to be competitive we are going to have start at like 30 million and go from there.