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[quote=Chico23231;1069579]He has the douche potential to be one of the all time greats. I'm with lotus and not buying the hype, it's tebow-like.[/quote]

Eh, no where near Tebow in terms of bust potential. Similar though in regards to surrounding talent level. Two top 5 tackles. Throwing to guys like Evans and Swope certainly helped while playing in a somewhat QB friendly offense. I literally put his odds of NFL success at 50-50 as I could easily see him go either way (pro bowler or bust).

With that said, isn't it F*****G awesome not having to worry about finding a QB. I mean sure we have other stuff as far as injuries to worry about with RG3 but DAMMIT its nice to not have QB be a need going into the draft.

In other news the comment section for this article made me think that Jeff Ireland might be the worst NFL GM of all time.
[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/ex-dolphins-gm-jeff-ireland-lands-a-job-with-the-seahawks-042814]Ex-Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland lands a job with the Seahawks | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]
[U]List of Offenses[/U]
- Letting Welker go to New England for a 2nd round pick
- Choosing Culpepper over Brees
- Drafting Jake Long over Matt Ryan
- Dez Bryant incident
- Was at least there for the Richie Incognito fiasco

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[quote=Chico23231;1069579][B]He has the douche potential to be one of the all time greats.[/B] I'm with lotus and not buying the hype, it's tebow-like.[/quote]

Now that's funny.

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[quote=Lotus;1069581]Now that's funny.[/quote]

Actually come to think of it who are the all time greats. I can think of a short list in no particular order.

- OJ Simpson
- OJ Simpson
- OJ Simpson
- Lance Armstrong
- Lance Armstrong
- Lance Armstrong
- Lance Armstrong
- T.O
- Donovan McNabb during the twilight years
- Lebron James Mid Career
- Michael Jordan (hid it well for most of his playing career)
- Barry Bonds
- Rafael "[URL="http://youtu.be/FZ1UMaAosV8"]I never did steroids...today[/URL]" Palmeiro
- Sammy "No I don't speak English" [I]But you just did[/I] "No I didn't I mean ?Que? !No hablo ingles!" Sosa [COLOR="Red"][I][U](Super Serial comment. I will offer my eternal friendship as well as pay infinity billion dollars to whoever can find the 2005 episode of Conan where he "interviews" Sosa following the steroids in baseball scandal.")[/U][/I][/COLOR]
- Cristiano "[URL="http://www.examiner.com/article/wayne-rooney-cristiano-ronaldo-couldn-t-stop-looking-at-himself-the-mirror-1"]I'm too sexy for my shirt[/URL]" Ronaldo
- Alex "I swear its just a mid-life crisis clinic" Rodriguez
- Floyd Mayweather Jr
- Roger Clemens

......for simplicity purposes maybe we should exempt baseball players from the list.

Though of course we all know the ultimate UNDISPUTED all time douchebag in all of sports. BARRY SANDERS!!!! Heres a list of just a few of his many offenses.

- Handing the ball off to the ref after TD's like he's better than everyone. How cocky do you have to be to act like you've been in the endzone before?

- During his senior year of High School football letting the young kids play instead of going for the city rushing title.

- Saying that [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/12/barry-sanders-id-never-say-i-was-better-than-emmitt-smith/"]he'd never consider himself better than Emmitt Smith[/URL]. Someone should have asked him the tough questions like "Would you consider yourself better at [URL="http://walterfootball.com/draft2013emmitt.php"]remembering names[/URL] and [URL="http://youtu.be/iGT08DTk3NM"]the English than a Emnit Smitth[/URL]."

- Saying he felt [URL="http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/sanders_barry.html"]Rodney Peete deserved the Heisman[/URL] after he won it.

The list goes on and on.

[B][COLOR="red"][I]Follow Up Edit: I'm super serial about the Conan-Sammy Sosa thing. [/I][/COLOR][/B]

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;1069576]I can't help but think Landry would have ended up as Landry regardless. Even if he continued playing at the same level as earlier in his career he likely would have still run into the injury bug.

Taylor on the other hand, I know we kind of romanticize about him a lot, but he really was worthy of the hype. Especially when he started to learn how to play center field. I mean how many safeties in the league today are 6'3 230 his kind of speed and agility. The best way I can describe him to all the youngins today was he was the defensive back version of Megatron.

Funny thing I noticed though when watching this video was below that the poll for ESPN in regards to which player should the Redskins draft read 48% Kellen Winslow 35% Sean Taylor right before Taylor was selected.
[QUOTE]


I seem to remember ,maybe it was draft day ,the Browns being in the hunt for Taylor .(also)

If not for the injuries and controversies in the nfl Winslow could have been great. He was, well....a dumbass.
Im sure the Browns were in the hunt for Taylor too because Butch Davis was the coach there at the time.

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[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/factors-pierre-garcon]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Factors: Pierre Garcon[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;1069626][url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/factors-pierre-garcon]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Factors: Pierre Garcon[/url][/quote]

So never heard on comments on the D Jax acquisition?

We know your feelings on Garcon. The article lacks several things, but not gonna rehash it.

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I think Jackson is more valuable than a lot of the league does, and the Redskins appear to agree with me.

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[quote=Mattyk;1069575]I cringe at the thought of [B]hearing the name "Johnny Football" for the next 10 years[/B]. Plus I think the guy is a mega douche. Two reasons I'm praying he's a bust.[/quote]
With a little luck, you will have to tune in to the Blue Bombers......Stampeders game........
to hear it

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/7278/stephen-bowen-no-doubt-ill-be-ready]Stephen Bowen: 'No doubt I'll be ready' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I did not know that doctors could even attempt to re-generate cartilage growth .. amazing.

not sure what the skins are doing, id like to think that they at least asked bowen if he would be willing to take a pay cut to avoid being a potential cap cut.

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[quote=Giantone;1069591]

I seem to remember ,maybe it was draft day ,the Browns being in the hunt for Taylor .(also)[/quote]

As if we hadn't tortured the Browns in the offseason enough already. Hopefully the city of Cleveland never gets access to nuclear weapons. Between the Ravens stealing the original Browns and Washington player sniping the Browns in the offseason they probably won't hesitate to target the DMV area.

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lol Dirt!

I tend to agree that people in general romantize about people who have passed, but I also agree that you cannot deny ST's talent or that he could have been one of the best ever

The year he was murdered was by far his best season, and you could see that he was building towards that year with each year that had come before. He was only going to keep getting better and better as he aged in the league. What made Sean great was how he approached the game, and you don't always see that in freakishly athletic players.

Aldon Smith is a prime example of a guy who is wasting his naturally ability and not striving to be the best pro and player he can be. Sean wasn't that guy and was the exact opposite.

We should petition Madden to add him to the all madden team cards.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/redskins-hire-new-assistant-coach-away-eagles-organization]Redskins hire new assistant coach away from Eagles organization | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

Didn't see this reported yet, not sure if people think it's that important I do.

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Florida State quarterback steals crabs.

[url=http://www.tomahawknation.com/2014/4/30/5668004/jameis-winston-arrested-shoplifting-crab-legs-publix]Jameis Winston cited for shoplifting crab legs at Publix - Tomahawk Nation[/url]

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smh , sadly enough this happens more than people think.

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Did the crabs consent?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1069712]Florida State quarterback steals crabs.

[url=http://www.tomahawknation.com/2014/4/30/5668004/jameis-winston-arrested-shoplifting-crab-legs-publix]Jameis Winston cited for shoplifting crab legs at Publix - Tomahawk Nation[/url][/quote]

Geez...most people are trying to get rid of crabs!

Gotta be something easier to conceal than crab legs?

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[quote=skinsguy;1069720]Geez...most people are trying to get rid of crabs![/quote]

:lol:


[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000345531/article/notre-dames-zack-martin-said-to-be-a-new-york-giants-favorite]Notre Dame's Zack Martin said to be a New York Giants favorite - NFL.com[/url]

If the Giants take Martin, they'll have a solid foundation on that O-line with him and Justin Pugh. Bet Eli would support this pick.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1069712]Florida State quarterback steals crabs.

[url=http://www.tomahawknation.com/2014/4/30/5668004/jameis-winston-arrested-shoplifting-crab-legs-publix]Jameis Winston cited for shoplifting crab legs at Publix - Tomahawk Nation[/url][/quote]

That boyz an idiot.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1069725]That boyz an idiot.[/quote]

He's had a number of these small incidents, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him an idiot. More like an immature 20 year old.

And the dude is a total stud on the field; if he were draft eligible this year, he'd be the consensus #1 overall. An Andrew Luck type lock. So unless he starts doing some serious crap, NFL teams won't shy away from him because of these "off-field issues".

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[quote=punch it in;1069723]Gotta be something easier to conceal than crab legs?[/quote]

yeah, lets steal the most awkard thing possible out of this grocery store.....

can you imagine putting a bag of crab legs under your shirt? you'd have legs sticking through the threads of a t-shirt, sweatshirt or most other materials other than leather.... and they look so normal being there and don't contort the way you would appear at all..... MORON!!

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[quote=SirLK26;1069726]He's had a number of these small incidents, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him an idiot. More like an immature 20 year old.

And the dude is a total stud on the field; if he were draft eligible this year, he'd be the consensus #1 overall. An Andrew Luck type lock. So unless he starts doing some serious crap, NFL teams won't shy away from him because of these "off-field issues".[/quote]

Stupid is stupid major talent or no talent, I would call a regular 20 yr old with a number of small incidents an IDIOT. The problem is when you have talent people make excuses for them.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1069728]Stupid is stupid major talent or no talent, I would call a regular 20 yr old with a number of small incidents an IDIOT. The problem is when you have talent people make excuses for them.[/quote]

Okay, fair enough.

The point I was trying to make was that these incidents are insignificant enough that when you weigh the potential risks against his phenomenal talent, they're nothing. I'd take Winston and his crab-leg and soda stealing over a slightly less talented guy with a squeaky clean record. Now, let's have this conversation again if he ever does something [I]really[/I] stupid.

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The bad things that Winston has been accused of doing should not be not be euphemistically dismissed as immature or stupid actions. They should be identified as what they are - crimes. He has been accused of crimes.

As a 20 year-old he could be a married father or a soldier in combat, so please don't call him a kid either. He is a young man who, as an adult, is responsible for his own actions.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1069727]yeah, lets steal the most awkard thing possible out of this grocery store.....



can you imagine putting a bag of crab legs under your shirt? you'd have legs sticking through the threads of a t-shirt, sweatshirt or most other materials other than leather.... and they look so normal being there and don't contort the way you would appear at all..... MORON!![/QUOTE]


Lmao. Seriously. Maybe a pineapple and a live lobster to go with those crab legs?

[QUOTE=SirLK26;1069724]:lol:





[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000345531/article/notre-dames-zack-martin-said-to-be-a-new-york-giants-favorite]Notre Dame's Zack Martin said to be a New York Giants favorite - NFL.com[/url]



If the Giants take Martin, they'll have a solid foundation on that O-line with him and Justin Pugh. Bet Eli would support this pick.[/QUOTE]


We best address ours also. The more I think about it I want Moses with 34.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1069731]The bad things that Winston has been accused of doing should not be not be euphemistically dismissed as immature or stupid actions. They should be identified as what they are - crimes. He has been accused of crimes.

As a 20 year-old he could be a married father or a soldier in combat, so please don't call him a kid either. He is a young man who, as an adult, is responsible for his own actions.[/quote]

true, but still...it is college.

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[quote=Chico23231;1069734]true, but still...it is college.[/quote]


I don't care if it is college or a retirement home, stupid is stupid.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1069731]The bad things that Winston has been accused of doing should not be not be euphemistically dismissed as immature or stupid actions. They should be identified as what they are - crimes. He has been accused of crimes.

As a 20 year-old he could be a married father or a soldier in combat, so please don't call him a kid either. He is a young man who, as an adult, is responsible for his own actions.[/quote]

True, they're crimes, and perhaps I shouldn't dismiss them so easily. But he hasn't reached Ben Roethlisberger's or even Ray Lewis' stupid level yet, and we don't know if he ever will. Shoplifting crab legs just isn't the same as sexually assaulting someone and then giving them a huge check to shut up about it. I hesitate to call shoplifting petty, because it is a crime and could potentially lead to worse, but.... Until Winston commits a major crime, or shows a pattern of this behavior when he's older, I will continue to support him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1069735]I don't care if it is college or a retirement home, stupid is stupid.[/quote]

not arguing its not stupid, im talking more about scope.

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[quote=SirLK26;1069738]True, they're crimes, and perhaps I shouldn't dismiss them so easily. But he hasn't reached Ben Roethlisberger's or even Ray Lewis' stupid level yet, and we don't know if he ever will. Shoplifting crab legs just isn't the same as sexually assaulting someone and then giving them a huge check to shut up about it. I hesitate to call shoplifting petty, because it is a crime and could potentially lead to worse, but.... Until Winston commits a major crime, or shows a pattern of this behavior when he's older, I will continue to support him.[/quote]


Was Big Ben charged?

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1069731]The bad things that Winston has been accused of doing should not be not be euphemistically dismissed as immature or stupid actions. They should be identified as what they are - crimes. He has been accused of crimes.



As a 20 year-old he could be a married father or a soldier in combat, so please don't call him a kid either. He is a young man who, as an adult, is responsible for his own actions.[/QUOTE]


Well being accused and being convicted are two different things. Other than the incident with the girl, and stealing crab legs I am unaware of other trouble he has been in. Not saying he hasnt just admitting im unaware. Personally I think it is a joke these division one athletes - especially high profile ones like Winston - are asked to do everything they are asked to do - and not get paid. The amount of money he makes for FSU should warrant them buying him whatever the hell he wants for dinner. But that is a whole other conversation.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1069740]Was Big Ben charged?[/quote]

No charges were filed either time. He settled with the first woman out of court, and the lady involved in the second incident decided to not pursue criminal charges because of the media coverage. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

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When I was in college I got back to the car at the supermarket to find an acquaintance had stolen a bunch of steaks. I was not involved and never condoned it. But as dumb as it was (especially since we shared a car so he endangered me), it was not a big deal, just a young, stupid mistake.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1069749]When I was in college I got back to the car at the supermarket to find an acquaintance had stolen a bunch of steaks. I was not involved and never condoned it. But as dumb as it was (especially since we shared a car so he endangered me), it was not a big deal, just a young, stupid mistake.[/QUOTE]


If you ate the steaks than you were involved. Lol

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1069731]The bad things that Winston has been accused of doing should not be not be euphemistically dismissed as immature or stupid actions. They should be identified as what they are - crimes. He has been accused of crimes.

As a 20 year-old he could be a married father or a soldier in combat, so please don't call him a kid either. He is a young man who, as an adult, is responsible for his own actions.[/quote]


While I certainly agree with your point about being responsible I could argue that just because he is twenty doesn't mean he is not still a kid in some aspects. It has been going on for decades, collage students do stupid stuff sometimes .

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[quote=Lotus;1069749]When I was in college I got back to the car at the supermarket to find an acquaintance had stolen a bunch of steaks. I was not involved and never condoned it. But as dumb as it was (especially since we shared a car so he endangered me), it was not a big deal, just a young, stupid mistake.[/quote]


Could not help but think of this ....




[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYl7sxQIHGE]Animal_House Flounder at the Supermarket - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=punch it in;1069732]Lmao. Seriously. Maybe a pineapple and a live lobster to go with those crab legs?[/quote]

It really is one of the most hilarious stories of theft I have heard! Fn crab legs... Wierd lol

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It will be forgotten until something comes up missing in the locker room!