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[quote=Mattyk;1083046]I was amazed that call wasn't reversed. I thought it was pretty clear he was down by contact and the ball only came loose when the 2nd defender came in and hit him.[/quote]

Yeah, that was a terrible call.

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[quote=Mattyk;1083044]I think people are trying too hard to stick with the narrative that Griffin's playing style opens him up for injury. Rolling out and throwing on the run is something all QBs do, sometimes several times a game. It's unfortunate he landed wrong on that ankle, but injuries happen and sometimes they can't be prevented.[/quote]

Its unfortunate some guys just cant stay healthy enough in the NFL. I think thats the fact we are facing. I dont think it has to do with style of play, offense, etc.

Love RG3, but 2 major injuries in different areas in 3 years is going to be tough to come back from. It sets us back even more, because of the learning curve of becoming a pocket passer.

Folks, Cousins has an opportunity of a lifetime right now. If he plays well and leads the team to a 9+ win season, the decision is made. If he struggles, we got tough choices to make.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1083018]I love RGIII and truly believe he has the skills and the brain to lead us to the Super Bowl but he has become damaged goods. I pray he will shut these haters up but now I am backing number 8 bc he is now QB1[/quote]

I wouldn't say he's damaged goods. But we are talking about a track athlete that's on his 3rd major injury in 6 years? Where ever he's playing, that team MUST have a legit back-up QB if he's the starter.

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Hey anybody know Bowen's status? Is he almost ready?

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[quote=Mattyk;1083049]Just saying it's all too common for fans to give up on players prematurely. Some guys take a couple of years to develop. Especially one that made a position change early on in Paul. [B]And yeah, in a few years it's possible we could be saying the same for Rambo.[/B][/quote]

You're starting to worry me now, Matty. I never gave up on Paul because he has talent and he is a ST stalwart. But Rambo?! P-u-u-u-u-l-e-e-z! Not only can he not tackle at all but he doesn't play ST. He has little chance of surviving very long on the active roster, IMO.

When is the last time you saw any Redskins safety make two such pathetic attempts to tackle a player, resulting in in very long TD's, in consecutive games?

I won't matter if Haslett defends Rambo, Gruden can't risk that happening again. Now, we talking about [U]Gruden's[/U] career. Trust me on this one; he will be gone from the active roster soon. Haslett might be able to talk Allen into keeping him on the PS.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1083055]You're starting to worry me now, Matty. I never gave up on Paul because he has talent and he is a ST stalwart. But Rambo?! P-u-u-u-u-l-e-e-z! Not only can he not tackle at all but he doesn't play ST. He has little chance of surviving very long on the active roster, IMO.

When is the last time you saw any Redskins safety make two such pathetic attempts to tackle a player that resulted in in very long TD's in consecutive games?

I don't care if Haslett has defended Rambo, Gruden can't risk that happening again. Trust me on this one; he will be G-O-N-E, GONE from the active roster soon. Haslett might be able to talk Allen into keeping him on the PS.[/quote]

You might not have given up on Paul but plenty of people did.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1083047]@RobCarlinCSN. Andre Roberts had a rush of 15+ yds, a reception of 15+ & punt return of 15+.. Last #Redskins to do that - my guy @BmitchliveCSN in 1999![/quote]

I'm kind of liking this Roberts guy. Not as flashy as some of the other acquisitions, just a really, really solid addition.

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[quote=Mattyk;1083044]I think people are trying too hard to stick with the narrative that Griffin's playing style opens him up for injury. Rolling out and throwing on the run is something all QBs do, sometimes several times a game. It's unfortunate he landed wrong on that ankle, but injuries happen and sometimes they can't be prevented.[/quote]

It just looks more awkward when he does it, for some reason. Like others have said, he just looks gangly out there

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Rambo pre snap lack of hussle before the play was concerning. I dont think we ever had to worry about that from Niles Paul.

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[quote=44Deezel;1083058]It just looks more awkward when he does it, for some reason. Like others have said, he just looks gangly out there[/quote]

I agree. He is like a gazelle running in a herd of cape buffaloes; it seems as if the poor gazelle is bound to get hurt, one way or another.

It is such a shame that RGIII, a magnificent athlete, continues to have these severe injuries. I wish him a speedy, full recovery.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083057]I'm kind of liking this Roberts guy. Not as flashy as some of the other acquisitions, just a really, really solid addition.[/quote]

Dude he is up their with Hatcher as one of the best signings this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;1083044]I think people are trying too hard to stick with the narrative that Griffin's playing style opens him up for injury. Rolling out and throwing on the run is something all QBs do, sometimes several times a game. It's unfortunate he landed wrong on that ankle, but injuries happen and sometimes they can't be prevented.[/quote]

You're right.

People made snap decisions about Griffin when the draft pick trade was announced. They made snap decisions about Cousins when he was drafted shortly after Griffin.

The 2+ years since have been all about those people using any opportunity to justify/defend their snap decision and/or attacking other people's snap decision.

The only thing that's for sure is that we're starting to run out of time in terms of evaluating these two and picking one (assuming one hasn't already been picked, of course.)

The team has a team option clause on Griffin's contract, so we can pick him up for a 5th year whether he wants to be here or not (in the case of Cousins winning the job and Griffin being relegated to backup duty, or in case of injury)

We don't have such an option with Cousins. He's not going to stay here to be a backup. If we haven't committed to him as a starter by the time FA opens for the 2016 season, he's gone. If we don't trade him by the deadline in 2015, he'll walk and we'll get nothing for him.

All of which is really a topic to worry about in the off season, so I'm not investing much time in it now. But these are conversations that are going to matter. I personally think Griffin is a hell of a quarterback and can be an elite level quarterback in this league, I also think people are grossly exaggerating the mount of work needed to make him an elite QB. But it doesn't matter how good he is or how much potential he has if he can't stay healthy. If he's out for the season he'll be going into his 4th season with 1 healthy/ready season under his belt, his rookie season, and that's going to create some interesting/tough decisions...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083057]I'm kind of liking this Roberts guy. [B]Not as flashy[/B] as some of the other acquisitions, just a really, really solid addition.[/quote]

I think he's explosive. By that I mean he has a nice burst and impeccable timing of when to use it. When he sees an opening, he blasts through it with power and speed. I love the way the guy plays!

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[quote=tshile;1083065]You're right.

People made snap decisions about Griffin when the draft pick trade was announced. They made snap decisions about Cousins when he was drafted shortly after Griffin.

The 2+ years since have been all about those people using any opportunity to justify/defend their snap decision and/or attacking other people's snap decision.

The only thing that's for sure is that we're starting to run out of time in terms of evaluating these two and picking one (assuming one hasn't already been picked, of course.)

The team has a team option clause on Griffin's contract, so we can pick him up for a 5th year whether he wants to be here or not (in the case of Cousins winning the job and Griffin being relegated to backup duty, or in case of injury)

We don't have such an option with Cousins. He's not going to stay here to be a backup. If we haven't committed to him as a starter by the time FA opens for the 2016 season, he's gone. If we don't trade him by the deadline in 2015, he'll walk and we'll get nothing for him.

All of which is really a topic to worry about in the off season, so I'm not investing much time in it now. But these are conversations that are going to matter. I personally think Griffin is a hell of a quarterback and can be an elite level quarterback in this league, I also think people are grossly exaggerating the mount of work needed to make him an elite QB. But it doesn't matter how good he is or how much potential he has if he can't stay healthy. If he's out for the season he'll be going into his 4th season with 1 healthy/ready season under his belt, his rookie season, [B]and that's going to create some interesting/tough decisions.[/B]..[/quote]

I know there is talk in the media that RGIII might be able to make it back in 4 to 8 weeks. I have a good friend (excellent athlete) who dislocated his ankle and broke a bone in his leg as well. It take more than 8 weeks just to walk with out a limp, much less play in the NFL. The Redskins sources in the media need to just report his status when they know something, otherwise keep their mouths shut about it. He will not be ready to play in the NFL in 8 weeks.
The sad reality is RGIII has no negotiating leverage. No other team is going to sign him to a big contract until he can prove he can stay healthy and time is not on his side.
Winning cures many issues and if Cousins continues to play well and win, he will get re-singed here. No question. Unless he wants to leave. He seems to like it ok in Washington, he doesn't hate it.
I don't think it is a distressing situation yet. At least we have two good Qb's and decent back up in Colt. Glass half full, not empty, IMO.

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[quote=Defensewins;1083071]I know there is talk in the media that RGIII might be able to make it back in 4 to 8 weeks. I have a good friend (excellent athlete) who dislocated his ankle and broke a bone in his leg as well. It take more than 8 weeks just to walk with out a limp, much less play in the NFL. The Redskins sources in the media need to just report his status when they know something, otherwise keep their mouths shut about it. He will not be ready to play in the NFL in 8 weeks.
The sad reality is RGIII has no negotiating leverage. No other team is going to sign him to a big contract until he can prove he can stay healthy and time is not on his side.
Winning cures many issues and if Cousins continues to play well and win, he will get re-singed here. No question. Unless he wants to leave. He seems to like it ok in Washington, he doesn't hate it.
I don't think it is a distressing situation yet. At least we have two good Qb's and decent back up in Colt. Glass half full, not empty, IMO.[/quote]

Cousins is not going to stay here if he believes it's still 'Griffin's team.' He thinks he's a legit starter in this league, and he's probably right. He thinks he can be a franchise QB somewhere.

He's not going to stay here to be a backup. Period. It has nothing to do with liking it here or not, and everything to do with whether he believes he has a legit shot at winning the starting job.

We can make Griffin stay here for his 5th year because we control his rights. We don't have that option with Cousins.

As for the media... they're going to keep writing about it as long as people keep clicking on the links.

Wise apparently wrote an article this morning (I didn't read it, fuck Mike Wise, but they talked about it on the Monday Morning QB Show) saying that the 'dirty secrete' is the coaching staff has liked Cousins more all along.

That kind of garbage will keep getting play as long as people keep reading it. It's unfortunate, but the media is driven by ratings/clicks/ad money and that's it.

So... prepare yourself for a long season of Cousins vs Griffin bullshit.

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If - and this is a big if - Cousins plays the rest of the season and RG can't come back, and IF Cousins does a very good job ( not just a decent job ) and especially IF the Redskins make the playoffs, THEN you have a QB situation going into 2015. If all the aformentioned happens, I don't know how Cousins ISN'T going into camp as the starting QB. I like RG as much as the next guy - at this point, it isn't a "I like Billy" or "I like Sonny" situation (for those of you old enough to remember that - I was a kid when that happened).

This is all assuming RG doesn't come back, which I just don't see happening. And I think the management is going to be really cautious about rushing him back this time around.

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Side note - I hate Michael Wilbon. That man is a phony.

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I think we should give Colt the start next week, just to make this controversy thing really interesting. If he puts up big numbers maybe we can trade 2 QBs this offseason and make up for some of what we lost for RG3.

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[quote=Paul Nichols;1083076]If - and this is a big if - Cousins plays the rest of the season and RG can't come back, and IF Cousins does a very good job ( not just a decent job ) and especially IF the Redskins make the playoffs, THEN you have a QB situation going into 2015. If all the aformentioned happens, I don't know how Cousins ISN'T going into camp as the starting QB. I like RG as much as the next guy - at this point, it isn't a "I like Billy" or "I like Sonny" situation (for those of you old enough to remember that - I was a kid when that happened).

This is all assuming RG doesn't come back, which I just don't see happening. And I think the management is going to be really cautious about rushing him back this time around.[/quote]

No I really dont think you have a QB situation if Kirk leads the team to the playoffs. The decision will be made

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[quote=Chico23231;1083079]No I really dont think you have a QB situation if Kirk leads the team to the playoffs. The decision will be made[/quote]

Yeah, it depends.

If he's a game managing QB then I'll still be curious what the team looks like with Griffin. I won't want to settle for a game manager that lets the rest of the team win he game.

If he looks good... if he looks like a comfortable qb that can make big plays and more importantly make smart plays on a regular basis...

Well. Then Griffin is relegated to backup duty :)

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Our future at QB just got a lot more cloudy. It will be interesting to see what Cap'n Kirk does with his chance.

We waited 20 years for our franchise QB only to find out that, like some mail, he has a "Do Not Bend" warning label.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083079]No I really dont think you have a QB situation if Kirk leads the team to the playoffs. The decision will be made[/quote]

Easier said than done.

I don't see any situation outside of the Skins winning it all this year where it will be an easy decision.

Griffin is the big name, and he will probably still have his share of supporters behind the scenes (mainly Snyder).

It's a complicated situation with a lot of variables at play.

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[quote=tshile;1083072]Cousins is not going to stay here if he believes it's still 'Griffin's team.' He thinks he's a legit starter in this league, and he's probably right. He thinks he can be a franchise QB somewhere.

He's not going to stay here to be a backup. Period. It has nothing to do with liking it here or not, and everything to do with whether he believes he has a legit shot at winning the starting job.

We can make Griffin stay here for his 5th year because we control his rights. We don't have that option with Cousins.

As for the media... they're going to keep writing about it as long as people keep clicking on the links.

[B]Wise apparently wrote an article this morning (I didn't read it, fuck Mike Wise, but they talked about it on the Monday Morning QB Show) saying that the 'dirty secrete' is the coaching staff has liked Cousins more all along.
[/B]
That kind of garbage will keep getting play as long as people keep reading it. It's unfortunate, but the media is driven by ratings/clicks/ad money and that's it.

So... prepare yourself for a long season of Cousins vs Griffin bullshit.[/quote]

We don't know what the coaches think behind closed doors. I'm sure some want KC and some want RG3. Does Wise have a legit source?

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[quote=tshile;1083080]Yeah, it depends.

If he's a game managing QB then I'll still be curious what the team looks like with Griffin. I won't want to settle for a [B]game manager[/B] that lets the rest of the team win he game.

If he looks good... if he looks like a comfortable qb that can make big plays and more importantly make smart plays on a regular basis...

Well. Then Griffin is relegated to backup duty :)[/quote]

Is producing 41 points what you call game management?

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On a side note, wow what a breath of fresh air Gruden is...No bullshit drama like the Shanny's had last year. Straight shooter and I think him and Bruce are on the same page. I think if Kirk has a chance to succeed, its only due to Gruden and Sean. good to see

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1083084]Is producing 41 points what you call game management?[/quote]

Yeah one thing we've seen from KC is he's not going to be a guy who's checking the ball down and playing it safe. I don't think we have to worry about that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1083083]We don't know what the coaches think behind closed doors. I'm sure some want KC and some want RG3. Does Wise have a legit source?[/quote]

Someone already sent this to me this morning. Of course he has no sources its bullshit...all of it. Zero facts to any of his arguement

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[quote=Mattyk;1083082]Easier said than done.

I don't see any situation outside of the Skins winning it all this year where it will be an easy decision.

Griffin is the big name, and he will probably still have his share of supporters behind the scenes (mainly Snyder).

It's a complicated situation with a lot of variables at play.[/quote]

Yup. It is undeniable that RGIII has superior physical tools which must be taken into account in a long-term analysis. And he was (slowly) starting to get the whole pocket passer thing.

That first ball to DJax (the terrible call) traveled 60 yards in the air. Cap'n Kirk can't do that.

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It doesn't matter anyway, before the injury they were going to play RG3, now they are going to play KC. That's what we know. What we don't know is, will KC continue to put up these numbers? Given our luck, I doubt it, but I'm really really hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083085]On a side note, wow what a breath of fresh air Gruden is...No bullshit drama like the Shanny's had last year. Straight shooter and I think him and Bruce are on the same page. I think if Kirk has a chance to succeed, its only due to Gruden and Sean. good to see[/quote]

Gruden's got to make sure he treads carefully though. Breath of fresh air in the short term to call out players. But there will be times he needs to absorb all the blame-Gibbs style-deserved or not

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083090]Gruden's got to make sure he treads carefully though. Breath of fresh air in the short term to call out players. But there will be times he needs to absorb all the blame-Gibbs style-deserved or not[/quote]

Yeah learning to be a headcoach has some growing pains. Didnt his brother have the same problem? Who did he call out specifically?

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[quote=Mattyk;1083082]Easier said than done.

I don't see any situation outside of the Skins winning it all this year where it will be an easy decision.

Griffin is the big name, and he will probably still have his share of supporters behind the scenes (mainly Snyder).

It's a complicated situation with a lot of variables at play.[/quote]

Isn't it a damned shame that it's completely reasonable to think that things other than who gives us the best chance to win will be at play?

And that those things will come from Snyder?

It's enough to make me want to quit caring when I realize that the future QB of this team may be made because of marketing decisions, jersey sales, 'popularity', or because we spent draft picks on the guy.

Sickening.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1083084]Is producing 41 points what you call game management?[/quote]

Are we making our decisions based off one game against a terrible team that spent a week preparing for the other guy?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1083083]We don't know what the coaches think behind closed doors. I'm sure some want KC and some want RG3. Does Wise have a legit source?[/quote]

I don't know, I assume not because Mike Wise is a dip shit that just likes to stir the pot on all things redskins related.

The sourced was listed by Wise as "An anonymous person familiar with Gruden's thinking"

Which is a joke and I cannot believe that passes as a 'source' these days. Shows you how far the washingotn post has fallen.

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[quote=tshile;1083092]Isn't it a damned shame that it's completely reasonable to think that things other than who gives us the best chance to win will be at play?

And that those things will come from Snyder?

It's enough to make me want to quit caring when I realize that the future QB of this team may be made because of marketing decisions, jersey sales, 'popularity', or because we spent draft picks on the guy.

Sickening.[/quote]

Happens all the time. Politics of the game.

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[quote=tshile;1083093]Are we making our decisions based off one game against a terrible team that spent a week preparing for the other guy?[/quote]

With Griffin out things should have gotten easier for the Jags D, not having to worry about the read option and running threat.

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[quote=Mattyk;1083095]Happens all the time. Politics of the game.[/quote]

Doesn't happen in quality organizations.

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[quote=tshile;1083092]Isn't it a damned shame that it's completely reasonable to think that things other than who gives us the best chance to win will be at play?

And that those things will come from Snyder?

It's enough to make me want to quit caring when I realize that the future QB of this team may be made because of marketing decisions, jersey sales, 'popularity', or because we spent draft picks on the guy.

Sickening.[/quote]
Winning will determine who does what....
Nothing puts the gold in everyone's pockets like......winning

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[quote=tshile;1083097]Doesn't happen in quality organizations.[/quote]

Look at the Patriots the last couple years with Welker and Mankins.

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I don't think any organization is immune from politics having an impact on decisions.