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Lots of QBs have bad games like this. Even more QBs in there 7th NFL game do. I think people forget Cousins is basically a rookie

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[quote=Giantone;1086812]I don't drink Bud but it's shelf life is 90/120 days (I worked for them for 5 years )[/quote]

Oh, what a surprise, someone from Budweiser that knows nothing about beer. :food-smil

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[quote=Bucket;1086842]Lots of QBs have bad games like this. Even more QBs in there 7th NFL game do. [B]I think people forget Cousins is basically a rookie[/B][/quote]

So you are saying that Cousins' performance was due to inexperience, rather than the fact that he was so inaccurate that he could not hit the broad side of a barn?

IMO inaccuracy like that has nothing to do with NFL experience.

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[quote=Mattyk;1086839]Beer doesn't expire after 3 months. As others have said the "freshness date" thing is just a marketing ploy. It's more accurate to say it's best to drink it by the 3 month date, that's when it's most fresh is all. It's probably fine for another 3 months after the date before it starts to turn from shitty beer to even shittier beer.[/quote]

My issue is not the beer, its the PR hit. We continuously are dealing with non-football issues in the National Media with this team. The circus does not cultivate a winner culture.

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[quote=Lotus;1086846]So you are saying that Cousins' performance was due to inexperience, rather than the fact that he was so inaccurate that he could not hit the broad side of a barn?

IMO inaccuracy like that has nothing to do with NFL experience.[/quote]

Yes, I am saying that.

If you look at the last 3 INT's came more from staring down WR's which is easily done in college, but cannot be done in PRO's. Something he didn't do vs Philly last week.

The last INT he stared down DJ, but still threw off his back foot because he had a lineman in his face. He threw off his back foot on 2 of the other INT's which were the result of poor ball placement. That is also something that can be corrected.

The Redskins fan base is so hot and cold. Last week, Cousins was the hero of Washington. Now, everyone is ready to throw him under the bus.

I'm not saying Cousins is the next Joe Montana, but he could easily be the next Andy Dalton, and I'll take that any day of the week if we can put the pieces around him to be successful like Cincy has done.

Considering our "franchise" QB will now be coming off 3 surgeries in 5 years. It's not exactly comforting.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1086851]My issue is not the beer, its the PR hit. We continuously are dealing with non-football issues in the National Media with this team. The circus does not cultivate a winner culture.[/QUOTE]


It's hardly a front page story in the sports world. Nobody is really going to care.

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[quote=Bucket;1086856]Yes, I am saying that.

If you look at the last 3 INT's came more from staring down WR's which is easily done in college, but cannot be done in PRO's. Something he didn't do vs Philly last week.

The last INT he stared down DJ, but still threw off his back foot because he had a lineman in his face. He threw off his back foot on 2 of the other INT's which were the result of poor ball placement. That is also something that can be corrected.

The Redskins fan base is so hot and cold. Last week, Cousins was the hero of Washington. Now, everyone is ready to throw him under the bus.

I'm not saying Cousins is the next Joe Montana, but he could easily be the next Andy Dalton, and I'll take that any day of the week if we can put the pieces around him to be successful like Cincy has done.

Considering our "franchise" QB will now be coming off 3 surgeries in 5 years. It's not exactly comforting.[/quote]

You and I are living in a different reality. What I saw was that all of the int's could have been completed passes had KC just thrown it to the right jersey color.

I am reminded of a young Vinny Testaverde, who threw so many inaccurate interceptions, his team had his eyes checked for color blindness.

As for fans running hot and cold, several fans here have been saying the same things - both positive and negative - about Cousins for some time.

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[quote=Lotus;1086860]You and I are living in a different reality. What I saw was that all of the int's could have been completed passes had KC just thrown it to the right jersey color.

I am reminded of a young Vinny Testaverde, who threw so many inaccurate interceptions, his team had his eyes checked for color blindness.

As for fans running hot and cold, several fans here have been saying the same things - both positive and negative - about Cousins for some time.[/quote]

So you think he completes the first pass to Grant who had a blanket on him? He threw the ball inside because he threw off his backfoot. He didn't have to throw off his backfoot, but he did and I blame that on experience and working on mechanics. His internal clock might of been a bit off since he was already pummeled a few times.

Or the pass to Garcon where they had one safety over the top who read Cousins the whole way? He made the same exact throw last week against Philly, and looked the safety off which resulted in a completion.

The third INT was just a bad read and throw. Was due to him staring down Roberts again. If he had the time, he might of seen the TE wide open in the middle of the field, but he released the ball in 2.6 seconds with the LE in his face.

So, yes.. I guess we do live in different worlds. In my world, if you stare down WR's in the NFL in a WCO, you will be butchered. Something, Cousins didn't do in week 2/3.

I believe that the team fell behind late, and Cousins was trying to hard for the big play to compensate for the lack of production we were getting on offense and defense. Outside the ONE Morris TD run, our run game was invisible, and we were behind in double scores in a blink of an eye.

[B]A bigger factor people keep forgetting is we started inside our own 20 7/9 drives before the 4th Q.[/B]

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1086863]...

[B]A bigger factor people keep forgetting is we started inside our own 20 7/9 drives before the 4th Q.[/B][/QUOTE]
All the more reason to be careful with the ball. But this isn't a 1 game anomaly, its what he does. How many multiple int games has he had in college and the NFL?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1086884]All the more reason to be careful with the ball. But this isn't a 1 game anomaly, its what he does. How many multiple int games has he had in college and the NFL?[/quote]

I'll take a QB who throws 4 TD's but throws 3INT's before I take one that throws 0 TD's and 0 INT's.... With this defense, atleast it gives us a chance to win.

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That's not really the choice though is it?

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[quote=Bucket;1086863]So you think he completes the first pass to Grant who had a blanket on him? He threw the ball inside because he threw off his backfoot. He didn't have to throw off his backfoot, but he did and I blame that on experience and working on mechanics. His internal clock might of been a bit off since he was already pummeled a few times.

Or the pass to Garcon where they had one safety over the top who read Cousins the whole way? He made the same exact throw last week against Philly, and looked the safety off which resulted in a completion.

The third INT was just a bad read and throw. Was due to him staring down Roberts again. If he had the time, he might of seen the TE wide open in the middle of the field, but he released the ball in 2.6 seconds with the LE in his face.

So, yes.. I guess we do live in different worlds. [B]In my world, if you stare down WR's in the NFL in a WCO, you will be butchered. Something, Cousins didn't do in week 2/3. [/B]

I believe that the team fell behind late, and Cousins was trying to hard for the big play to compensate for the lack of production we were getting on offense and defense. Outside the ONE Morris TD run, our run game was invisible, and we were behind in double scores in a blink of an eye.

[B]A bigger factor people keep forgetting is we started inside our own 20 7/9 drives before the 4th Q.[/B][/quote]

Your argument would be true if the ball had been on target but was intercepted by someone who simply read Cousins' eyes and blanketed the receiver. This was not the case. In each case, the ball was intercepted because Cousins flat out missed a receiver who was open enough to make a catch.

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[quote=Mattyk;1086857]It's hardly a front page story in the sports world. Nobody is really going to care.[/quote]

Yeah but its an example of a billionaire doing things on the cheap....

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[quote=Lotus;1086819]Since you worked for them, then you must know enough about beer to know that it doesn't go bad that fast, especially not the mild pilsner type that Bud makes. The Bud expiration date is and has been a marketing ruse to sell more beer.

If beer went bad that quickly, there'd be more beers with expiration dates, just like milk.[/quote]


Some Beer is pasteurized and some is not ,the ones that aren't last around 30 days as long as they are out of the light and kept cold .

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[quote=Evilgrin;1086890]Yeah but its an example of a billionaire doing things on the cheap....[/quote]

Why toss out perfectly drinkable beer? I could understand if it were a year old but 3-6 months is absolutely fine. It's a best by date, not a hard expiration date.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1086890]Yeah but its an example of a billionaire doing things on the cheap....[/quote]


No , my guess was the beer distributor screwed up or their driver .

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[quote=Evilgrin;1086890]Yeah but its an example of a billionaire doing things on the cheap....[/quote]

In a perfect world, DS would be on the proactive in making sure the stadium experience is top-notch. But in the real world, much like the guy who owns and runs the day-to-day of my job, he's more reactive than proactive. You can bet DS is well aware of the problem now, and has probably already taken steps to ensure this doesn't happen again. But before this report came out, you can bet he probably had a million other things on his to-do list than worry about whether the beer is fresh at his stadium.

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[quote=Giantone;1086891]Some Beer is pasteurized and some is not ,the ones that aren't last around 30 days as long as they are out of the light and kept cold .[/quote]

Naw man. You really worked for Bud? Were you a truck driver or something? You sure were not the brewmaster.

I have made and tasted many a homebrewed and commercial beer which was not filtered or otherwise treated (sometimes still had active yeast), and they were fine long after the brewing. I had one yeast-in porter seven years after brewing and it still was awesome.

A familiar example: Trappist ale from Belgium. It is untreated, unfiltered, yeast-in, and left its homeland in Belgium who knows how long ago. But boy is it yummy.

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Perhaps he feels fan experience is enhanced by superior product on the field so he doesn't worry about stadium atmosphere. Oh wait...

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Discussing Cousins INTs, here is a good breakdown on the INTs during the game.

[url=http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/27/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-interceptions-new-york-giants]Break it Down: Kirk Cousins' mechanical failures led to disaster against Giants - NFL - SI.com[/url]

The problem in this game is we got behind and Cousins tried to play the role of Super Man without having the skills to back it up. He needed to play his game and take what the defense gave him. Even the best QBs in the league know that forcing stuff generally never works out. That was the difference in this game and the last two games. The previous two, we saw Kirk playing to his strengths and taking what the defense gave. If he can do that, we can win. If he tries to do what he did this past Thursday, we are going to be drafting in the top 3.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1086890]Yeah but its an example of a billionaire doing things on the cheap....[/quote]

I am not one to defend Dan Snyder, but do you really someone from the Stadium concessions management called Dan Snyder to get his ok with selling expired beer?
Whats next, the toilet paper ran out in your stall and Dan Snyder did not change it?
Concessions are run by an outside company like Aramark or Levy Restaurants.
When it comes to the beer sold at arenas or stadiums it is a big contract with Budweiser or Coors Etc. This terribel move was made by a mid level director of food concessions. Not a billionaire team owner.

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Our QB just had 4 INTs and 1 fumble in one game. Our defense gave up a shit ton of points for the 2nd consecutive week while providing no real pressure. Our special teams is still shit. As a team we had 6 fucking turnovers. We now face two of the harder teams in the NFL the upcoming weeks with a possibility of starting out 1-5............and yet....

......here we are here discussing the god damn concession booth and whether the beer it's selling is fresh. :Flush: :laughing-

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I am not turning in my fan card permanently, but these jackasses have given me literally nothing to cheer for over these last 25 years (wasn't really old enough to remember the 91 SB team) and seeing as how we won't beat either Seattle or Arizona, I might just skip both of those games (and the 10 after that and find something else to do with my Sundays) because life is too short to subject myself to pure bullshit every fall and be happy with it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1086905]Our QB just had 4 INTs and 1 fumble in one game. Our defense gave up a shit ton of points for the 2nd consecutive week while providing no real pressure. Our special teams is still shit. As a team we had 6 fucking turnovers. We now face two of the harder teams in the NFL the upcoming weeks with a possibility of starting out 1-5............and yet....

......here we are here discussing the god damn concession booth and whether the beer it's selling is fresh. :Flush: :laughing-[/quote]

Redskins fans gotta be the dumbest in all of sports

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1086906]I am not turning in my fan card permanently, but these jackasses have given me literally nothing to cheer for over these last 25 years (wasn't really old enough to remember the 91 SB team) and seeing as how we won't beat either Seattle or Arizona, I might just skip both of those games (and the 10 after that and find something else to do with my Sundays) because life is too short to subject myself to pure bullshit every fall and be happy with it.[/quote]

All they have to do is be competitive in one of those games and fans will start believing again. Short term memories

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[quote=SmootSmack;1086913]All they have to do is be competitive in one of those games and fans will start believing again. Short term memories[/quote]

If we beat Seattle , we get an automatic BCS Game ..... don't we ? :)

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[quote=Lotus;1086898]Naw man. You really worked for Bud? Were you a truck driver or something? You sure were not the brewmaster.

I have made and tasted many a homebrewed and commercial beer which was not filtered or otherwise treated (sometimes still had active yeast), and they were fine long after the brewing. I had one yeast-in porter seven years after brewing and it still was awesome.
.[/quote]



Let me ask you, do you know why most beers come in bottles of color ? Do you know what skunk beer is ?As Matty said the dates on beer are 95% sell buy dates ,doesn't mean the beer is bad just must be sold by this date .

[url=http://berghoffbeer.com/blog/what-does-the-color-of-your-beer-bottle-mean/]Berghoff Beer[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1086913]All they have to do is be competitive in one of those games and fans will start believing again. Short term memories[/quote]

As of right now, they haven't earned that patience from me.l One thing I will say, why did we franchise Orakpo, talk about money that could have went to a safety and an offensive lineman.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1086918]As of right now, they haven't earned that patience from me.l One thing I will say, why did we franchise Orakpo, talk about money that could have went to a safety and an offensive lineman.[/quote]

Because pass rushers don't grow on trees. I don't think Rak is elite either, but he's better than a combo of Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn. Does anybody remember those days? A washed up Jason Taylor? All those years of having no pass rush should remind us how hard it is to have a good pass rush. So I can see why we put the tag on Rak, but in hindsight it's clear that money could've been better used elsewhere. At this rate we probably won't even offer him an extension in the offseason.

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[quote=mooby;1086920]Because pass rushers don't grow on trees. I don't think Rak is elite either, but he's better than a combo of Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn. Does anybody remember those days? A washed up Jason Taylor? All those years of having[B] no pass rush[/B] should remind us how hard it is to have a good pass rush. So I can see why we put the tag on Rak, but in hindsight it's clear that money could've been better used elsewhere. At this rate we probably won't even offer him an extension in the offseason.[/quote]
Clearly with Rak we still have huge and.....unpredictable pass rush problems. I don't know that I advocate dumping Rak. However, I advocate another route or at least augment our current alignment as.........it ain't where we need to be. I advocate "fixing it", and have no sacred cows....Rak, Kerrigan, etc. F...n Ely didn't get touched? That doesn't work

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[quote=NC_Skins;1086901]Discussing Cousins INTs, here is a good breakdown on the INTs during the game.

[url=http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/27/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-interceptions-new-york-giants]Break it Down: Kirk Cousins' mechanical failures led to disaster against Giants - NFL - SI.com[/url]

The problem in this game is we got behind and Cousins tried to play the role of Super Man without having the skills to back it up. He need to play his game and take what the defense gave him. Even the best QBs in the league know that forcing stuff generally never works out. That was the difference in this game and the last two games. The previous two, we saw Kirk playing to his strengths and taking what the defense gave. If he can do that, we can win. If he tries to do what he did this past Thursday, we are going to be drafting in the top 3.[/quote]

Exactly what i said a page back. People are delusional

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[quote=mooby;1086920]Because pass rushers don't grow on trees. I don't think Rak is elite either, but he's better than a combo of Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn. Does anybody remember those days? A washed up Jason Taylor? All those years of having no pass rush should remind us how hard it is to have a good pass rush. So I can see why we put the tag on Rak, but in hindsight it's clear that money could've been better used elsewhere. At this rate we probably won't even offer him an extension in the offseason.[/quote]

I remember but that guy is just so inconsistent man, I just feel that 11 million dollars could have gotten 2 or more defenders that would have the same impact as him, and I hope we dont offer him a contract, but all that means is that he will go to New England or something, switch back to DE and average 12-13 sacks a season for his career.

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[quote=Giantone;1086916]Let me ask you, do you know why most beers come in bottles of color ? Do you know what skunk beer is ?As Matty said the dates on beer are 95% sell buy dates ,doesn't mean the beer is bad just must be sold by this date .

[url=http://berghoffbeer.com/blog/what-does-the-color-of-your-beer-bottle-mean/]Berghoff Beer[/url][/quote]

I wasn't disagreeing with your assertion of bottle color. Of course light harms beer, so a darker bottle is better.

I obviously was disagreeing with your factually incorrect account of "unpasteurized" beer going bad after 30 days.

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[quote=Hog1;1086922]Clearly with Rak we still have huge and.....unpredictable pass rush problems. I don't know that I advocate dumping Rak. However, I advocate another route or at least augment our current alignment as.........it ain't where we need to be. I advocate "fixing it", and have no sacred cows....Rak, Kerrigan, etc. F...n Ely didn't get touched? That doesn't work[/quote]

Any of you film watchers seen Rak consistently add another move to his bullrush this year?

I haven't but haven't watched the games again.

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[quote=Bucket;1086923]Exactly what i said a page back. People are delusional[/quote]

What are you talking about? That article details instance after instance where Cousins could have completed the pass but threw an interception instead because he was so inaccurate with his throws...which is precisely what you have argued against.

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[quote=Lotus;1086942]What are you talking about? That article details instance after instance where Cousins could have completed the pass but threw an interception instead because he was so inaccurate with his throws...which is precisely what you have argued against.[/quote]

Which is based off his mechanics, and him staring down WR's.. Which is fixable. He completes 60% of his passes and is deemed inaccurate.

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[quote=Hog1;1086922]Clearly with Rak we still have huge and.....unpredictable pass rush problems. I don't know that I advocate dumping Rak. However, I advocate another route or at least augment our current alignment as.........it ain't where we need to be. I advocate "fixing it", and have no sacred cows....[B]Rak, Kerrigan, etc. F...n Ely didn't get touched?[/B] That doesn't work[/quote]

Kerrigan did his part with a sack and a hit.

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Well I did what needed to be done. I am dropping all Skins from my fantasy team. I picked up Cousins and I have had Niles for a few weeks, but both are bye bye Wed morning. Niles is a good TE, but he is going to get nailed from now on. Teams will know Cousins isn't worth a damn without his security blanket.

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[quote=Ghost of George Allen;1086956]Well I did what needed to be done. I am dropping all Skins from my fantasy team. I picked up Cousins and I have had Niles for a few weeks, but both are bye bye Wed morning. Niles is a good TE, but he is going to get nailed from now on. Teams will know Cousins isn't worth a damn without his security blanket.[/quote]

I am dropping all Skins from my reality team.

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[quote=Bucket;1086945]Which is based off his mechanics, and him staring down WR's.. Which is fixable. He completes 60% of his passes and is deemed inaccurate.[/quote]

He hasn't changed a bit since he entered college basically. Why do we think it's going to be fixed now?