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[quote=Schneed10;1098761]First off, you're missing my point. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker. I'm saying he pours the hard work in the wrong ways. He works hard in the weight room and on the physical, but he hasn't worked hard as a student of the game. Steve Young's comments on that matter should not be dismissed, the guy knows Mike Shanahan quite closely.

And secondly, his parents' jobs are an indicator of who they are and what they value. Which in turn shapes the way you're brought up. Have you not read story after story about how RG3 and his father would be out pulling tires up hills, or doing wind sprints during family gatherings?

You know what stories you don't read about? RG3 holding endless chalkboard sessions with his coaches, or picking the brains of accomplished QBs.[/quote]

I'm picking up what you're dropping. But remember what someone said about RG really looking up to Rex for guidance, so I don't think it's that RG thinks he's above coaching/mentoring. Maybe he doesn't click well with everyone, not a crime or even a character flaw.

It still goes back to the HC knowing what/who he's got. Gruden missed on several things, finding a way to connect/mentor RG is a big one and what we all thought he was brought in to do.

Gruden's case would be a lot stronger if he had any success with another QB on the roster, or fielded an offense prepared to play.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098764]More pertinently, would you pay him $20M to go pound sand? I wouldn't if I were Dan.

We're stuck with him because of finances. But he sucks. I don't see much hope he'll get better because of the lack of discipline and wavering leadership.

As Redskins fans we all approach this thing with the thought that next offseason we'll fix this mess. I don't think we will. It sucks, but we're financially stuck with Gruden, and Snyder won't want to give up on RG3. Not sure I would either.

[B]If I'm Dan I tell Gruden that he either keeps RG3 or he resigns without pay. And that's about the best you can make of this very bad situation[/B].[/quote]

That's pretty brilliant in my book.

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i agree with a lot of Schneed's points .... but im pretty sure the DS telling a coach what to do will not end well for anyone, anywhere at any point.

since it is such a bad idea = what we will probably do

cant wait for this self-inflicted drama to end.

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In fact, I think a strong leader would call both Gruden and Griffin into his office and put the cards on the table. Say listen Jay I'm into you for $20M so you're my coach. And Robert I still believe that you can become the QB we thought, and I don't want to give up on the massive investment we have in you.

But Jay, your success as a head coach in this league depends on whether you can get performance from Robert and the rest of the team. Robert, your ability to secure a second contract in this league depends on your ability to take coaching and improve, because you've been terrible.

Your wagons are hitched together. And my wagon is hitched to both of yours. Now go back to the sandbox and learn how to get along, get this thing turned in the right direction, or you'll both be moving on from these contracts. If you want other teams to look at you as worthy of a future big contract, you'll need to do this together.

You need each other or the world will view you both separately as failures.

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And then I tell Jay to fire Haslett and I hire a football man as GM. Then I go party with Jerry Jones and strippers.

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Entirely as an aside (let's face it, there's nothing uplifting about our team) -- I like these: [url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/12/08/navy-football-team-to-wear-custom-uniforms-for-army-match-up/]Navy Football Team to Wear Custom Uniforms for Army Match-up « CBS DC[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1098768]In fact, I think a strong leader would call both Gruden and Griffin into his office and put the cards on the table. Say listen Jay I'm into you for $20M so you're my coach. And Robert I still believe that you can become the QB we thought, and I don't want to give up on the massive investment we have in you.

But Jay, your success as a head coach in this league depends on whether you can get performance from Robert and the rest of the team. Robert, your ability to secure a second contract in this league depends on your ability to take coaching and improve, because you've been terrible.

Your wagons are hitched together. And my wagon is hitched to both of yours. Now go back to the sandbox and learn how to get along, get this thing turned in the right direction, or you'll both be moving on from these contracts. If you want other teams to look at you as worthy of a future big contract, you'll need to do this together.

You need each other or the world will view you both separately as failures.[/quote]

I would love for this to happen! But in the world of guaranteed contracts, Gruden could easily say, "It's my way. Don't like it, fire me so I can collect!" I don't suppose there is a clause in Gruden's contract that says if the 'skins have the same record as the previous year, the contract is null and void? I seriously think the front office brass needs to seriously consider that as an opt out option in future contracts!

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[quote=Schneed10;1098768]

Your wagons are hitched together.

You need each other or the world will view you both separately as failures.[/quote]

sucks for Jay that his wagon is hitched to a QB he didnt hand pick.

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[quote=over the mountain;1098773]sucks for Jay that his wagon is hitched to a QB he didnt hand pick.[/quote]

Then he shouldn't have taken the job.

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[quote=over the mountain;1098767]i agree with a lot of Schneed's points .... but im pretty sure the DS telling a coach what to do will not end well for anyone, anywhere at any point.

since it is such a bad idea = what we will probably do

cant wait for this self-inflicted drama to end.[/quote]

It's not a real Redskins season unless there is more drama than wins.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098768]In fact, I think a strong leader would call both Gruden and Griffin into his office and put the cards on the table. Say listen Jay I'm into you for $20M so you're my coach. And Robert I still believe that you can become the QB we thought, and I don't want to give up on the massive investment we have in you.

But Jay, your success as a head coach in this league depends on whether you can get performance from Robert and the rest of the team. Robert, your ability to secure a second contract in this league depends on your ability to take coaching and improve, because you've been terrible.

Your wagons are hitched together. And my wagon is hitched to both of yours. Now go back to the sandbox and learn how to get along, get this thing turned in the right direction, or you'll both be moving on from these contracts. If you want other teams to look at you as worthy of a future big contract, you'll need to do this together.

You need each other or the world will view you both separately as failures.[/quote]

Gruden has actually PLAYED the position. Doesn't make much sense for anyone to tell him what QB to play. What a real leader would do is tell the coach to play whomever gives the team the best chance to win. If that's Griffin, by all means play him. If it's not, sit him on the bench or trade him. At this point, or next year, there needs to be competition for the position and may the best man win.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098778]Then he shouldn't have taken the job.[/quote]

Would you have turned down the sweet contract he was given? I doubt it.

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[quote=calia;1098770]Entirely as an aside (let's face it, there's nothing uplifting about our team) -- I like these: [url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/12/08/navy-football-team-to-wear-custom-uniforms-for-army-match-up/]Navy Football Team to Wear Custom Uniforms for Army Match-up « CBS DC[/url][/quote]

Its interesting but they dont really look like Navy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1098788]Gruden has actually PLAYED the position. Doesn't make much sense for anyone to tell him what QB to play.[/quote]



lol So did Zorn and he was pretty good at it .

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could be a breach of contract depending on how it was written


[quote=over the mountain;1098773]sucks for Jay that his wagon is hitched to a QB he didnt hand pick.[/quote]

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[quote=Rotten1980;1098763]How did Cleveland land Pettine? How did Lions land Caldwell? The list goes on and on. Franchises in disarray hire the right coach who puts it on the right track.[/quote]

Detroit had[B] much more [/B]talent then the Skins do right now. And their owner isn't crazy. That was a solid job. And Pettine wasn't on anybody else's wish list. In fact I think he was Cleveland's 4th or 5th choice.

And yet you still didn't answer my question, who do you want that you think will take the job? Because I think the lot of you don't want to name a guy so you can rip that same guy when he doesn't turn this mess around.

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There's only 32 of these jobs in the world. There's always someone out there willing to take on an exclusive job at $5m or more per year.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098811]There's only 32 of these jobs in the world. There's always someone out there willing to take on an exclusive job at $5m or more per year.[/quote]

Ya, but will they be any better than Gruden? Sometimes is the job and not the employee.

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My fantasy is Bill Cowher. I would love to see him coach the Redskins. I cannot imagine he'd want to deal with the insanity that is this franchise, but he'd crack some skulls and get results, man. Sigh -- won't ever happen.

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Joe Gibbs

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[quote=calia;1098814]My fantasy is Bill Cowher. I would love to see him coach the Redskins. I cannot imagine he'd want to deal with the insanity that is this franchise, but he'd crack some skulls and get results, man. Sigh -- won't ever happen.[/quote]

I think of Cowher too - but do you imagine he would take the deal knowing that he doesn't make the final decisions on who sees the field?

Really this is almost laughable....the next HC is going to be a guy with no input on who is the starting QB....that's beyond pathetic

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I'd pass on Joe this time. Game has passed him by and I don't want him tarnished.......

[quote=Gary84Clark;1098815]Joe Gibbs[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1098376]Jim Harbaugh isn't coming to Washington, y in the hell would anyone come to this shit hole. Honestly I think gruden is done and we Keep rg3 because Dan is too stubborn. And what gm do u guys want?[/quote]

The thing Jim Harbaugh could consider coming here is being closer to his brother John. That maybe something he might consider being closer to his family .

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I believe JH is going to Michigan but guess we'll see. Skins just need to start from scratch as many have suggested

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[quote=Hijinx;1098760]To all the "fire Gruden after 1 year" people: who are you going to replace him with? No one qualified wants to get involved with this mess. Even less so after another 1 and done head coach. You really want to be looking for the 9th HC in 15 years?[/quote]

I would get rid of Jay only if we could get Jim Harbaugh . Also if Jay stays he has to fire Jim Haslett and try to get Rex Ryan as the new DC.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1098816]I think of Cowher too - but do you imagine he would take the deal knowing that he doesn't make the final decisions on who sees the field?

Really this is almost laughable....the next HC is going to be a guy with no input on who is the starting QB....that's beyond pathetic[/quote]

Don't want Bill Cowher he has been out of football to long people. He is not coming back .

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How about hiring Greg Williams as the new head coach .

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[quote=skins89moss;1098823]Don't want Bill Cowher he has been out of football to long people. He is not coming back .[/quote]

Cower with good coordinators would work. We need someone to not yes Danny to death. We don't really need cower for the x and o's

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Ron Rivera if/when he gets canned would be my choice as DC. Bevell as HC if RGIII is kept.

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I've heard that Harbaugh's wife adamantly does not want to leave the Bay Area. If so, he'll go to Oakland, or Ann Arbor only after sending many flowers, and nowhere else.

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[quote=skins89moss;1098824]How about hiring Greg Williams as the new head coach .[/quote]

Gregg. Pretty sure I remember him saying back in '07 he would return here as HC down the road, or something like that.

Don't know what to think about him as HC?? Me thinks it should be a hardnosed defensive guy, defense still and always will win championships. So Gregg fits that I guess.

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Harbaugh would be my pick. Only if we get a new GM though

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After the Fisher/Williams/Schottenheimer troll on Sunday, the last person Snyder wants is Williams. I'm sure Danny didn't like being made look like a fool.

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I'm surprised Wade Phillips doesn't get more consideration for HC

I think I'd love Rex Ryan here

There are two names I know are at the top of a potential wish list. Won't name them now. One might really piss you off

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great choices imo SS

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[quote=SmootSmack;1098848]I'm surprised Wade Phillips doesn't get more consideration for HC

I think I'd love Rex Ryan here

[B]There are two names I know are at the top of a potential wish list. Won't name them now. One might really piss you off[/B][/quote]

Tom Coughlin. Boom. Do I get a cookie?

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Colt tossing teammates under the bus? Where's the outrage?

[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/12/09/mccoy-our-protection-failed-a-lot/]McCoy: ‘Our protection failed a lot’ | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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Nick Saban 2.0

Jim Harbaugh

Ron Rivera

Rex Ryan

Gregg Williams

Urban Myer

The return of Norv Turner.

Those would be my choices for a new HC lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;1098848]I'm surprised Wade Phillips doesn't get more consideration for HC

I think I'd love Rex Ryan here

There are two names I know are at the top of a potential wish list. Won't name them now. One might really piss you off[/quote]

Brian Billick

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Fassel?