Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

Nothing like the first free agent signing to get the blood flowing again. Seems lik this guy had some serious suitors along with us, glad we landed him.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1107977][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/2/26/8118145/report-ricky-jean-francois-signs-3-year-deal-with-redskins]Report: Ricky Jean-Francois Signs 3 Year Deal With Redskins - Hogs Haven[/url]

RJF a Redskin.[/quote]

Meh. Hope he helps.

He has to be better than Jenkins.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

On the outside it looks like a step in the right direction. Our pass rush was pathetic last year.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1107984]Coefield is not worth $7.6 million[/quote]

He is not. He is old too.

That being said, there was a big difference in collapsing the pocket when he was in the game.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1108009]He is not. He is old too.

That being said, there was a big difference in collapsing the pocket when he was in the game.[/quote]

Hatcher needs to stay healthy and have a good year in 2015. If he can do that, we'll have a much better inside pass rush. I still support the Hatcher FA deal.

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reportedly the Redskins will be going after Iupati. He made $4.6 million last year, what does everyone think it would cost to get him ? is he worth it ?

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5763/mike-iupati]Mike Iupati - San Francisco 49ers - 2015 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108062]reportedly the Redskins will be going after Iupati. He made $4.6 million last year, what does everyone think it would cost to get him ? is he worth it ?

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5763/mike-iupati]Mike Iupati - San Francisco 49ers - 2015 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

I'd guess $28M over 4 years. Is he worth it? I doubt it simply because most FA contracts aren't worth the money spent on them. At least he's young.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1108067]I'd guess $28M over 4 years. Is he worth it? I doubt it simply because most FA contracts aren't worth the money spent on them. At least he's young.[/quote]

DJax's contract has been worth the money spent.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1108067]I'd guess $28M over 4 years. Is he worth it? I doubt it simply because most FA contracts aren't worth the money spent on them. At least he's young.[/quote]

Also you have to wonder if he will be worth a damn by the time this team is good.

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Signing Iupati would probably be an overpay but he might help stabilize things. Since we don't have talent in the drafted players that are on the bench, this might be a must sign.

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[quote=mredskins;1108079]Also you have to wonder if he will be worth a damn by the time this team is good.[/quote]

I was thinking the same. I'm hoping 7-9 next season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1108081]Signing Iupati would probably be an overpay but he might help stabilize things. Since we don't have talent in the drafted players that are on the bench, this might be a must sign.[/quote]

Guard isn't a position smart teams pay top FA money on.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1108083]Guard isn't a position smart teams pay top FA money on.[/quote]

Except when it is Steve Hutchinson

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[quote=mredskins;1108079]Also you have to wonder if he will be worth a damn by the time this team is good.[/quote]

We could turn it around in a year or two. If not well then no harm no foul. All we need is an 1980 US Hockey team style run

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1108078]DJax's contract has been worth the money spent.[/quote]

Jackson's 2015- 17 cap number is $9.25 million- more than double last years cap number

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/desean-jackson/]DeSean Jackson Contract, Salary Cap Details & Breakdowns | Spotrac[/url]

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1108083]Guard isn't a position smart teams pay top FA money on.[/quote]

When you got a dominant road grader, you do.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108086]Jackson's 2015- 17 cap number is $9.25 million- more than double last years cap number

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/desean-jackson/]DeSean Jackson Contract, Salary Cap Details & Breakdowns | Spotrac[/url][/quote]

Worth it.

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You need some stability somewhere in the offense, and the offensive line is the best place to start.

After hiring a very good o-line coach in Callahan, get a top guard FA like Iupati, and if we trade down, get a good first-rounder o-lineman. This all gives us the opportunity to have a better than average line quickly.

To me it looks like this is the direction the team is headed. Start your rebuilding process by creating a very good line that can make the running game your primary offense, and make the team less dependent on QB play (until we get that sh*t figured out).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1108091]You need some stability somewhere in the offense, and the offensive line is the best place to start.

After hiring a very good o-line coach in Callahan, get a top guard FA like Iupati, and if we trade down, get a good first-rounder o-lineman. This all gives us the opportunity to have a better than average line quickly.

To me it looks like this is the direction the team is headed. Start your rebuilding process by creating a very good line that can make the running game your primary offense, and make the team less dependent on QB play (until we get that sh*t figured out).[/quote]If he's such a good coach, get some rookies to coach up.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

I'd pass on Iupati

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1108083]Guard isn't a position smart teams pay top FA money on.[/quote]

I would probably agree but remember who we have at guard. Chester and Shawn L. Just awful...

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Lauvao wasn't too bad but there are better G's out there.

Chester on the other hand was a major liability. Old, slow and terrible at protecting.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1108087]When you got a dominant road grader, you do.[/quote]

This year's superbowl had a first round pick, a 7th round pick, and 2 undrafted free agents starting at offensive G.

Hopefully Long can step in for Chester and improve the unit.

Would love to have Iupati, but we would be better off spending the money on a higher impact position:

CB, pass rusher, DT.

Even a top tier safety or TE would have more impact than a top tier G.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1108111]Lauvao wasn't too bad but there are better G's out there.

Chester on the other hand was a major liability. Old, slow and terrible at protecting.[/quote]

Agree. He played below average but showed consistent improvement throughout the year.

Thought he was fair near the end of the year.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1108112]This year's superbowl had a first round pick, a 7th round pick, and 2 undrafted free agents starting at offensive G.

Hopefully Long can step in for Chester and improve the unit.

Would love to have Iupati, but we would be better off spending the money on a higher impact position:

CB, pass rusher, DT.

Even a top tier safety or TE would have more impact than a top tier G.[/quote]

I don't care about Iupati either way -- but to your point -- getting a 7th round pick & 2 undrafted FA to start on your Oline really just means:
(A) you can develop players
(B) your QB gets rid of the ball fast,
(C) you are just really lucky.


Since we have none of the above AND we've tried & failed with low draft picks (remember Gettis? Hurt? Capers? Cook?) -- I'd suggest we finally develop or invest in O-line AND get blocking TE/RBs. I trust McLoughan.

I think every QB does much better with protection, but I'd wager Griffin could still be a top 10 QB if he had a great Oline.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1108112]This year's superbowl had a first round pick, a 7th round pick, and 2 undrafted free agents starting at offensive G.

Hopefully Long can step in for Chester and improve the unit.

Would love to have Iupati, but we would be better off spending the money on a higher impact position:

CB, pass rusher, DT.

Even a top tier safety or TE would have more impact than a top tier G.[/quote]

In theory this is all well and good but the high impact positions you're talking about don't see top tier talent make it to free agency very often, and when it does the cost is exhorbitant.

Justin Houston and Ndamakung Suh are very high impact, the only ones really at their positions, but we don't have the cap space for them.

If you drop down and start talking about the Jason Worilds and Byron Maxwells of free agency, that level, I'd rather have Iupati. I want somebody, anybody, who can provide a matchup advantage. Doesn't matter what position.

Iupati makes us a red zone threat to run the ball.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1108112]This year's superbowl had a first round pick, a 7th round pick, and 2 undrafted free agents starting at offensive G.

Hopefully Long can step in for Chester and improve the unit.

Would love to have Iupati, but we would be better off spending the money on a higher impact position:

CB, pass rusher, DT.

Even a top tier safety or TE would have more impact than a top tier G.[/quote]

Safety will be the best use of their cap money:
McLeod, Gibson, Searcy, Moore, and Johnson Seattle should be decent additions without breaking the bank.... about $3.0 per year
CBs Culiver, Thurmond etc. again could help for about $3. -$3.5

Iupati might be a good short term solution....The Skins reportedly could also go after ex Cowboy tackle Free with a 3 year contract

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[quote=ethat001;1108117]I don't care about Iupati either way -- but to your point -- getting a 7th round pick & 2 undrafted FA to start on your Oline really just means:
(A) you can develop players
(B) your QB gets rid of the ball fast,
(C) you are just really lucky.


Since we have none of the above AND we've tried & failed with low draft picks (remember Gettis? Hurt? Capers? Cook?) -- I'd suggest we finally develop or invest in O-line AND get blocking TE/RBs. I trust McLoughan.

I think every QB does much better with protection, but I'd wager Griffin could still be a top 10 QB if he had a great Oline.[/quote]

A team like the Pats can seemingly get a dozen guys a year to contribute on the offensive line at various positions while only paying the LT any money.

If we can't, the solution isn't to break the bank on a guy who will be over priced. Instead we should change the people who:
a. find the undrafted and 7th round talent (we have)
b. develop the talent (we have)
c. game plan with the talent (we have)

Unloading a brinks truck on a guy who plays the most easy to fill position on the offensive line doesn't make any sense on any level. Too many teams fill this position with good talent on the cheap. There is really only one exception and that's Green Bay. They pay their G.

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/guard/]NFL Salary Rankings | Spotrac[/url]

The highest Pats guy on the list didn't play in the superbowl.

There is a reason why the average salary of an NFL offensive guard is lower compared to C and T.

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The main thing is for Scot McCloughan to make the offensive and defensive lines better...up front is where it counts the most.

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Again, the one position where we must add someone in FA is FS. There is nobody to be had in the draft and we have nobody on our roster. This is a must.

That said, I have no problem with signing the right type of FA at any position of need. We just need to sign young players who can be had at reasonable prices.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1108124]
That said, I have no problem with signing the right type of FA at any position of need. We just need to sign young players who can be had at reasonable prices.[/quote]

Yes. Yes. And Yes.

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Today at 4 PM ET is the deadline for Franchise Tags. Keep an eye on the Patriots and Devin McCourty. It costs $9.53M to tag a safety.

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a good possibility: a TE who is a great blocker, he would help the run game, and possibly pass protection- the price should be reasonable

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/virgilgreen/2495288/profile]Virgil Green, TE for the Denver Broncos at NFL.com[/url]

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Houston and Thomas tagged, Suh not tagged.

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/reports--justin-houston--demaryius-thomas-among-franchise-tags-145645700.html"]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/reports--justin-houston--demaryius-thomas-among-franchise-tags-145645700.html[/URL]

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Where does Suh land? I got feeling Oakland is gonna give him a lot of cash, too much to pass up. Detroit, Chicago I think will be in play....the dark horse is San diego and I think one of the New York teams will take a serious look.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

noooooooooooooooooo

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/report-washington-working-on-brian-orakpo-return/]Report: Washington working on Brian Orakpo return | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://www.skinsreview.com/chris-chester-restructures-deal-to-stay-with-the-redskins/]Chris Chester Restructures Deal to Stay with the Washington Redskins | The Skins Review[/url]

I hope there is no guaranteed money in either contract

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108160]noooooooooooooooooo

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/report-washington-working-on-brian-orakpo-return/]Report: Washington working on Brian Orakpo return | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://www.skinsreview.com/chris-chester-restructures-deal-to-stay-with-the-redskins/]Chris Chester Restructures Deal to Stay with the Washington Redskins | The Skins Review[/url]

I hope there is no guaranteed money in either contract[/quote]

Bleh.....I was hoping both of them would be gone.

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[quote=Chico23231;1108155]Where does Suh land? I got feeling Oakland is gonna give him a lot of cash, too much to pass up. Detroit, Chicago I think will be in play....the dark horse is San diego and I think one of the New York teams will take a serious look.[/quote]

seattle.

re chester and orakpo - at this point, i trust Scot's eye for skill set and Bruce's executive approach to negotiating. have to wait and see how the contracts look.

while we hoped for more from Rak, he is still an above average player that just hasnt seemed to progress or improve as a player under Haz Mat. I love that quote he had when he was mic'd up "what are we doing out there? i dont know what we are doing out there!"

maybe Rak could benefit from better coaching?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108160]noooooooooooooooooo

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/report-washington-working-on-brian-orakpo-return/]Report: Washington working on Brian Orakpo return | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://www.skinsreview.com/chris-chester-restructures-deal-to-stay-with-the-redskins/]Chris Chester Restructures Deal to Stay with the Washington Redskins | The Skins Review[/url]

I hope there is no guaranteed money in either contract[/quote]

To me, it makes zero sense to bring back orakpo. Why not develop Trent Murphy who was more productive last year, much cheaper, and much younger. I thought Murphy was a bit of a surprise, he played much stronger.

Chester, even though I would perfer not to bring him back, I understand bringing him back cause we don't have shit behind him.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108160]noooooooooooooooooo

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/report-washington-working-on-brian-orakpo-return/]Report: Washington working on Brian Orakpo return | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://www.skinsreview.com/chris-chester-restructures-deal-to-stay-with-the-redskins/]Chris Chester Restructures Deal to Stay with the Washington Redskins | The Skins Review[/url]

I hope there is no guaranteed money in either contract[/quote]

As long as Rak's deal is for around 5 million or less, this is good news. It would be stupid to let him walk just based off this last season. He's still a very good pass rusher.

Hopefully Chester's deal is the vet min.