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Its funny to me how he blames everyone else for his problems. Hate people like that, zero accountability. Glad he is nearly broke, that made my day

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The Redskins really have no one to blame but themselves over the AH ordeal. He lacked character before he came here. It's not like once he got the money he was going to be the first one in last to leave type of player. That's just not who he was. He played football cause he was good at it, not cause he loved the game. This is what happens when you don't have a professional GM running your team.

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Who likes conch chowder?

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my personal and strongly held belief re AH and the reason he signed with us ..

he accepted the skins contract bc it was front loaded w guaranteed money, then it became an avg contract.

i believe AH and his agent took the skins contract w the intent of forcing the skins cut/release/trade him after 2 years so he could sign another big guaranteed contract before riding off into the sunset.

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The package includes $41 million in guarantees -- the highest total in league history -- and [B]Haynesworth is ensured of receiving about $32 million in the first 13 months[/B] of the contract, which was finalized shortly after agent Chad Speck phoned Haynesworth at around 3:45 a.m.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/28/ST2009022800147.html]Redskins Sign Albert Haynesworth to Record Contract - washingtonpost.com[/url]

the mistake was front loading the guaranteed money to a fat lazy guy who had no passion or integrity.

what incentive did AH have to stick around here after 13 months?

he certainly did his best to force his departure.

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That Haynesworth deal, and the subsequent CBA, forever changed the way the Redskins approached contracts. They used to give all the guaranteed money up front in signing bonus fashion. Now they still give a bonus, though smaller, and instead tend to guarantee the first two or three years worth of base salary.

They also used to drop the base salary in the first year down to vet minimum. The CBA dictates that can no longer be done through some rules around base salary escalation. But I have no doubt that after Haynesworth the Redskins were happy to see that change. You can tell they like to stage the payouts in such a way that the player has to fly right to collect, including positioning the contract so that the player is not incentivized to throw a hissy fit.

Desean Jackson, good example. His contract is pretty evenly distributed between the three years. The third year is worth a good chunk of change, so much so that it's in his best interests to play to earn it. The potential gain from holding out is minimized when the salary in the 3rd year is fairly attractive.

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F Haynesworth. He could have been an all time great. Waste of talent. He needs to stop pointing the finger and look at himself.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/07/donovan-mcnabb-arrested-for-dui-in-arizona-again/]Donovan McNabb arrested again for DUI | ProFootballTalk[/url]

another day, another ex redskin douchebag making headlines. Looks like his second DUI as in just as many years

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[quote=Chico23231;1114777][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/07/donovan-mcnabb-arrested-for-dui-in-arizona-again/"]Donovan McNabb arrested again for DUI | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

another day, another ex redskin douchebag making headlines. Looks like his second DUI as in just as many years[/quote]
..........Breaks my heart

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[quote=Chico23231;1114777][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/07/donovan-mcnabb-arrested-for-dui-in-arizona-again/]Donovan McNabb arrested again for DUI | ProFootballTalk[/url]

another day, another ex redskin douchebag making headlines. Looks like his second DUI as in just as many years[/quote]

Sorry, I just don't consider him a Skin .To me anyway he's an Eagle douchebag .

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[quote=Giantone;1114779]Sorry, I just don't consider him a Skin .To me anyway he's an Eagle douchebag .[/quote]

well, i mean, it's not like he did anything memorable here besides throw fits to the media about how he hated the staff and organization.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1114776]F Haynesworth. He could have been an all time great. Waste of talent. He needs to stop pointing the finger and look at himself.[/QUOTE]


I couldn't agree more. Note this quote: "“If nothing else, listen to me on this, Albert: Do not leave the Tennessee Titans,” he wrote (such that players write for themselves there). "

If only Albert had followed this advice we would have all been better off. I wish a future of pain and misery on this classless, infantile jerk.


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I would love to see the thread right after we signed Fat Albert. He was the toast of the town. Lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1114785]I would love to see the thread right after we signed Fat Albert. He was the toast of the town. Lol.[/quote]

I never liked the Haynesworth and Hall signings, they could have signed many players and filled lots of holes with that cash.

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Federal judge upholds rejection of Redskins trademark by PTO.


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[QUOTE=calia;1114797]Federal judge upholds rejection of Redskins trademark by PTO.

Well that's gonna make things interesting.

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Ouch. That's not a good thing for them. As a practical matter, I think that this means anyone can make and sell Redskins merchandise and DS cannot stop them. Not an end all and expect some type of non-Skins authenticator to show up on Redskins merchandise (i.e., under a corporate name acceptable to the Patent Office, Skins create a "Seal of Authenticity" which they stick to all there merchandise and tell folks to buy only that stuff "in order to protect the legacy and heritage of the Washington football team.")

Not an intellectual property guy but the decision probably gets upheld. Have to read it though.

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[url=http://www.richmond.com/sports/ap/article_d67cf3ba-257e-11e5-843d-a3832520d559.html]Redskins trademark cancellation upheld; Richmond court would hear appeal - Richmond Times-Dispatch: Ap[/url]

Richmond federal court will hear the appeal...I think thats a plus

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1114801]Ouch. That's not a good thing for them. As a practical matter, I think that this means anyone can make and sell Redskins merchandise and DS cannot stop them. Not an end all and expect some type of non-Skins authenticator to show up on Redskins merchandise (i.e., under a corporate name acceptable to the Patent Office, Skins create a "Seal of Authenticity" which they stick to all there merchandise and tell folks to buy only that stuff "in order to protect the legacy and heritage of the Washington football team.")



Not an intellectual property guy but the decision probably gets upheld. Have to read it though.[/QUOTE]


Wouldn't the team still be protected while under appeal?

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[quote=Mattyk;1114803]Wouldn't the team still be protected while under appeal?[/quote]

Yes the trademark remains in place until the appeals process is brought to bear.

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As soon as it starts costing the other owners money, the NFL will look to force a change. If they lose this appeal, Im afraid to say its basically done. Might take a year or two for it to show on the bottom line but it will eventually happen.

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Anytime lil Danny loses money, I'm happy. I couldn't care less about the trademark. Just put a quality product on the field.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1114806]Anytime lil Danny loses money, I'm happy. I couldn't care less about the trademark. Just put a quality product on the field.[/quote]

I tend to agree, I am ready to give up the name. It has stood for shit for the past 20 years or so. I am actually at a all time low of Redskins merchandise; so i could stock up with the new name. Call them the Washington Warriors and be done with it.

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[quote=mredskins;1114807]I tend to agree, I am ready to give up the name. It has stood for shit for the past 20 years or so. I am actually at a all time low of Redskins merchandise; so i could stock up with the new name. Call them the Washington Warriors and be done with it.[/quote]

I believe if he loses the trademark, this is what will ultimately force him to change the team name. It would chap lil Danny's ass if he knew people could make money off his team and he not get his slice of pie. It will be greed that motivates him to change it, nothing else.

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[quote=Schneed10;1114804]Yes the trademark remains in place until the appeals process is brought to bear.[/quote]

Are you sure? Generally speaking, unless you specifically request an order to be stayed, it is in effect even if an appeal is pending.

Also, read bits and parts of the decision, and assuming [I]arguendo[/I] that the Skins lose the appeal, the Skins still can assert the trademark even if it is not registered and seek damages from those who inappropriately use it. However, because it is can't be the PTO won't register it, the Skins are not entitled to triple damages and do not receive the benefit of submitting the [I]registered[/I] mark as presumptive proof of an existing trademark.

So, it appears, they can still sue folks for using Redskins symbols, they just have to jump through a few extra legal hoops and don't get as much in damages. For an aggressive litigant like DS, I doubt that either of these limitations is likely to pose a problem for DS in the long run.

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Its all retarded IMO ... Some bunch of clowns looking for 15 minutes of fame, and staying power in their name through history that they were the ones who decided the trademark or did this or that to make the redskins change their name... Fucking stupid and it pisses me off.

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I don't see Danny winning this, because at some point I think a lot of Redskins fans may start thinking like I am right now. I've been a Redskins fan since 1979. I have purchased clothing items, home decor and other "Redskins" logoed items for many years, NOW I hesitant to purchase any new stuff becuase they may change the name/logo and make my stuff obsolete.

Are any of the rest of you thinking like that? Or is it just me?

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What are some of the name alternatives that have been thought of anyway? I know some media types have done some polls. I think they should just name the team the Washington Warriors and basically keep the same logo and maybe even the same fonts and colors. No more scripted "R", but keep the Indian head logo on the helment and you are done.

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[quote=scowan;1114849]I don't see Danny winning this, because at some point I think a lot of Redskins fans may start thinking like I am right now. I've been a Redskins fan since 1979. I have purchased clothing items, home decor and other "Redskins" logoed items for many years, NOW I hesitant to purchase any new stuff becuase they may change the name/logo and make my stuff obsolete.

Are any of the rest of you thinking like that? Or is it just me?[/quote]

I honestly havent thought about buying skins gear in context of the name debate. But i also still wear a lavar arrington jersey. I do buy a new hat every season ... but then just wear my old stained worn out one.

I think i would be interested in getting my hands on some old school skins stuff to hang onto if they change the name.

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[quote=scowan;1114849]I don't see Danny winning this, because at some point I think a lot of Redskins fans may start thinking like I am right now. I've been a Redskins fan since 1979. I have purchased clothing items, home decor and other "Redskins" logoed items for many years, NOW I hesitant to purchase any new stuff becuase they may change the name/logo and make my stuff obsolete.

Are any of the rest of you thinking like that? Or is it just me?[/quote]

Actually, it may become an expensive collector's item.

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I've come to realize it's only a matter of time before the name is changed. It would be better if the team did it on its own vs being forced to.

As for the merch, I'll rock my Skins wear until the name changes and beyond.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1114852]Actually, it may become an expensive collector's item.[/quote]

I hear what all of you are saying, but I feel like if I went out and spent $200 on a Redskins jersey and they changed the name say a month later, I would probably be pissed. But that maybe just me.

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What gets me is: The name wasn't a slur when it was coined, and for a long time after that. We football fans don't use it as a slur now. Yet because it was used as a slur back on old western movies and novels before that, some people (not NA's, other people wanting to make a "cause") want to change the team name.

No, don't go after the people who use it as slur, like the people who own the rights to said movies and novels. Go after the people who sing "Hail to the Redskins" most Sundays in the fall and winter. :doh:

People who want to change the name are stupid.

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The doldrums of summer:

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/madden-16-views-redskins-quite-differently-pundits-do]Madden '16 views Redskins quite differently than pundits do | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

It isn't any worse than the infinite top 10 lists this time of year.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1114862]What gets me is: The name wasn't a slur when it was coined, and for a long time after that. We football fans don't use it as a slur now. Yet because it was used as a slur back on old western movies and novels before that, some people (not NA's, other people wanting to make a "cause") want to change the team name.

No, don't go after the people who use it as slur, like the people who own the rights to said movies and novels. Go after the people who sing "Hail to the Redskins" most Sundays in the fall and winter. :doh:

People who want to change the name are stupid.[/quote]

In general, the "I'm right and you're stupid" argument isn't a very good one.

just because you're not offended or it wasn't considered offensive at some points in history doesn't mean that the context can't change. (there were a lot of places in the US called N-this and N-that at one point too, and now there aren't very many left).

I personally wish everyone had thicker skin and were less trigger happy with lawsuits. I don't think dan caves until/unless they get to his money/revenue. It seems like money is the only thing that really talks in this country.

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[quote=That Guy;1114864]In general, the "I'm right and you're stupid" argument isn't a very good one.[/quote]

So true. That's why I prefer to go with the "Oh Yeah? Well, you're a poopie-head!" argument whenever I'm losing a debate.

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[quote=scowan;1114850]What are some of the name alternatives that have been thought of anyway? I know some media types have done some polls. I think they should just name the team the Washington Warriors and basically keep the same logo and maybe even the same fonts and colors. No more scripted "R", but keep the Indian head logo on the helment and you are done.[/quote]

If the name goes you can bet the Indian logo will too.

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[quote=That Guy;1114864]In general, the "I'm right and you're stupid" argument isn't a very good one.

[B]just because you're not offended[/B] or it wasn't considered offensive at some points in history doesn't mean that the context can't change. (there were a lot of places in the US called N-this and N-that at one point too, and now there aren't very many left).

I personally wish everyone had thicker skin and were less trigger happy with lawsuits. I don't think dan caves until/unless they get to his money/revenue. It seems like money is the only thing that really talks in this country.[/quote]

At what point do the.....Extreme minority get to decide the fate of the majority in something like this (even though nobody is....really offended). It's really not about being offended. It's really a handful of Indians in the Oneida tribe and a whole shitload of PC Anglo's with nothing better to do than stick their heads up your ass and mine.......and decide for all of us what's best for......us.
How many high schools are named Redskin in this country 50?....100?
Manipulative PC BS....nothing more.
AND....thicker skins and tolerance would be nice.

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[quote=Mattyk;1114871]If the name goes you can bet the Indian logo will too.[/quote]

Yes, or you just ask for more trouble later......
If it comes to that I think that Snyder will think long and hard of a name that will deflect all political correct horsecrap in the future.

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[quote=That Guy;1114864]In general, the "I'm right and you're stupid" argument isn't a very good one.[/quote]Unless one side is so stupid, like the anti-vax crowd, it has to be called out. I'm not just calling anti-redskin people stupid, I explained *why* they are acting stupidly above.

Geez people, they are calling you and I RACISTS. Again, they are calling us all *RACISTS*. Name calling has gone on for awhile, call things what they actually are and point out their stupidity. Strict etiquette arguments were abandoned by the anti-redskins side a long time ago. When the anti-redskin side says the name is associated with scalps, point out that no historical document links the two, and call them stupid if they persist. If they say the only NFL mascots are animals... and the Redskins, point out their stupidity. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know that last claim of theirs is false.

[quote=That Guy;1114864]just because you're not offended or it wasn't considered offensive at some points in history doesn't mean that the context can't change. (there were a lot of places in the US called N-this and N-that at one point too, and now there aren't very many left).[/quote]The only contexts the name is used now is a self identifier to root for, by an NFL team (and some Native American school teams), and old movies and books that should be gotten after by the PC crowd if they really cared about native americans being insulted and slurred. (guess what, they don't).

Good to know context can change. Again, how is the term used now?

[quote=That Guy;1114864]I personally wish everyone had thicker skin and were less trigger happy with lawsuits. I don't think dan caves until/unless they get to his money/revenue. It seems like money is the only thing that really talks in this country.[/quote]And perception. We have a bunch of people calling us a bunch of racists. I am offended at that, aren't you? On this issue we are right, they are wrong. But unless more people stand up to the PC crowd and say "no, your claim is BS", guess whose perception wins?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1114875]Yes, or you just ask for more trouble later......
If it comes to that I think that Snyder will think long and hard of a name that will deflect all political correct horsecrap in the future.[/quote]

I hear "Bullets" is available.......