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[quote=Ruhskins;1117029]The Lions first team whooped our whole first team. I was hoping we would fare better, but I'm not going to pretend like I knew it would be this bad. At the same time, they were a playoff team last year and we've won 7 games in the past two years and we're rebuilding. So you do the math.[/quote]

I am tired of that word "rebuilding". It presumes something is actually getting built. Almost 20 years of this shit. Can you honestly say the Skins are better than last year, or think they will be better next year than they have been the last 15 years?

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RG3 has a shoulder stinger and a possible concussion.

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[quote=Hijinx;1117032]I am tired of that word "rebuilding". It presumes something is actually getting built. Almost 20 years of this shit. [B] Can you honestly say the Skins are better than last year, or think they will be better next year than they have been the last 15 years[/B]?[/quote]

I can say honestly it is....idiotic to try and....conjure that from a game and a half of pre-season.

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You put black framed glasses on Alfmo, kinda look and sound a little like the comic Hannibal

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Just my opinion...the Redskins Offense simply looked a lot more smooth and professional with Colt McCoy at quarterback.

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[quote=Hijinx;1117032]I am tired of that word "rebuilding". It presumes something is actually getting built. Almost 20 years of this shit. Can you honestly say the Skins are better than last year, or think they will be better next year than they have been the last 15 years?[/quote]

Well you can't rebuild a team when you mortgage all of your picks on one rookie (Shanny years) and had a lot of failed mid/lower round picks.

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[quote=Hijinx;1117032]I am tired of that word "rebuilding". It presumes something is actually getting built. Almost 20 years of this shit. Can you honestly say the Skins are better than last year, or think they will be better next year than they have been the last 15 years?[/quote]

The word rebuilding is a crutch. Anytime a team sucks something awful, the word "rebuilding" gets thrown around.

Real rebuilding implies, scrapping everything, starting over, seeing improvement over the years but slowly being able to see pieces come together here and there.

On the defensive side of the ball, I might be able to buy that. The young guys show some promise.

On the offensive side of the ball, that's not rebuilding. The offense Still looks out of sync. The O-line is still looking shaky. RG3 is still making the same mental mistakes. He's still fumbling the ball. On the play he got injured, it wasn't even the O-line's fault. And looks like he's still soft and injury prone.

At some point people are going to have to address the elephant in the room.

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[quote=kct1975;1117036]Just my opinion...the Redskins Offense simply looked a lot more smooth and professional with Colt McCoy at quarterback.[/quote]

Sometime, guys play harder for another guy. Guys seem to play harder for colt

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It is like Groundhogs Day around here. Same crap every year. I bet you could reread 2014 posts and think they are current.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1117038]The word rebuilding is a crutch. Anytime a team sucks something awful, the word "rebuilding" gets thrown around.

Real rebuilding implies, scrapping everything, starting over, seeing improvement over the years but slowly being able to see pieces come together here and there.

On the defensive side of the ball, I might be able to buy that. The young guys show some promise.

On the offensive side of the ball, that's not rebuilding. The offense Still looks out of sync. The O-line is still looking shaky. RG3 is still making the same mental mistakes. He's still fumbling the ball. On the play he got injured, it wasn't even the O-line's fault. And looks like he's still soft and injury prone.

At some point people are going to have to address the elephant in the room.[/QUOTE]
I hate to say, but I completely agree!

As I mentioned, Colt McCoy looked a lot more professional than RG3.

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Well.. It's just the preseason but guys need to step up and play hard... We have ppl out right now, lotta inexperienced or just not that good of guys playing... I'm less worried about the team as a whole, as I am about our damn injuries... And Robert... Potential but my vote is cousins, not McCoy

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Like that Houston Bates kid, 3rd sack of the pre-season.

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I wish they'd start Kirk against the 1st stringers this pre-season. Just to see how he does.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117045]I wish they'd start Kirk against the 1st stringers this pre-season. Just to see how he does.[/quote]

Just might happen next week, with RGIII injuries.

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I just saw Johnny manziel make throws rg3 hasn't made since his rookie yr

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117045]I wish they'd start Kirk against the 1st stringers this pre-season. Just to see how he does.[/quote]

We know how he'd do. He'd do great. As he always does when he's playing the back-up. But as soon as he gets a chance to be a starter, he'll throw three picks in the first half and get pulled by the third quarter.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117045]I wish they'd start Kirk against the 1st stringers this pre-season. Just to see how he does.[/quote]

I agree....I haven't seen any noticible improvement with RG3. He still makes stupid statements, drops the ball, takes massive hits, gets injured and cant get TD's...other than that, he is the best QB in the league.

At this point...I wouldn't mind if we traded him for a 4th rounder....or any competant starting OL/TE/safety/HC/OC/DC/Owner

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117038]The word rebuilding is a crutch. Anytime a team sucks something awful, the word "rebuilding" gets thrown around.

Real rebuilding implies, scrapping everything, starting over, seeing improvement over the years but slowly being able to see pieces come together here and there. [/quote]

Well the problem is that before this year, the team was not rebuilding. This is the first year of that rebuilding process.

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You will have protection issues when you start a journey man LT, rookie RG and 2nd year RT. I do not remember RG3 having one boot leg or screen pass to slow down the pass rush. He should have been in the game during the 4th series. Just my two cents.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1117054]Well the problem is that before this year, the team was not rebuilding. This is the first year of that rebuilding process.[/quote]

I think the first thing we need to do to start real rebuilding is get rid of RG3.

I don't know if that means Cousins, or drafting a guy, or bringing in someone who's already established in the NFL but if we get halfway into this season and RG3 is still the RG3 who's been nothing if not a complete and utter disappointment the past couple of seasons, we need to cut our losses stat. You've had a whole off-season to study, heal and work. You've had 2 seasons with the playbook. I just don't see RG3 coming back if the Skins don't end the season at 8-8. I'd maybe even give him 6-10 but I feel like below .500 doesn't bode well for a guy who has been squandering chance after chance.

And yeah he's been injured, but this is the year to put that injury excuse to bed.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1117055]You will have protection issues when you start a journey man LT, rookie RG and 2nd year RT. I do not remember RG3 having one boot leg or screen pass to slow down the pass rush. He should have been in the game during the 4th series. Just my two cents.[/quote]

Moses did a pretty damn good job at RT today. I'm not buying that.

Scherff was struggling a bit today though.

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[quote=Coff;1117051]We know how he'd do. He'd do great. As he always does when he's playing the back-up. But as soon as he gets a chance to be a starter, he'll throw three picks in the first half and get pulled by the third quarter.[/quote]

Im not so sure. We've given RG3 chance after chance, and he gets worse.
We've given Cousins 2 chances...once, he was great and helped us into the playoffs, 2nd chance he was the starter, did very well...and then did ok, then bombed due to picks, then benched. You don't think a guy that is as smart as him cant learn from that?. I really think he can manage games enough for us to win 7. I seriously doubt RG3 can do that.

What was the advantage RG3 had over anyone else?....his wheels....now they are gone...he is far worse at running an offense and inspiring confidence. So why are we sticking with him...I have seen enough, we have 2 practice games left to prep someone else...are we going to waste 4-6 games and the whole season just to prove we gave him every chance possible? Why?....he is clearly not ready....either that or play him for 3 quarters next game to get him some serious reps...and if he gets injured, so what, we have little to lose.

It is obvious to me that the coaching staff opens up the playbook for the other guys. RG3 is restricted to the most basic plays. He plays like a rookie in his 4th year

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2-0! lol.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117060]I think the first thing we need to do to start real rebuilding is get rid of RG3.

I don't know if that means Cousins, or drafting a guy, or bringing in someone who's already established in the NFL but if we get halfway into this season and RG3 is still the RG3 who's been nothing if not a complete and utter disappointment the past couple of seasons, we need to cut our losses stat. You've had a whole off-season to study, heal and work. You've had 2 seasons with the playbook. I just don't see RG3 coming back if the Skins don't end the season at 8-8. I'd maybe even give him 6-10 but I feel like below .500 doesn't bode well for a guy who has been squandering chance after chance.

And yeah he's been injured, but this is the year to put that injury excuse to bed.[/quote]

The mistake this team has made is to try to bring a QB to a bad team and hope that the QB magically fixes the team.

You know who were Seattle's QBs in Pete Carroll's first two years when he was rebuilding that team? A washed up Matt Hasselbeck, Clipboard Jesus, Tavaris Jackson, JP Losman, and Josh Portis. Yet during those two years, he (with McCloughan on the front office staff), build the team that has been to two Superbowls.

We're on year one of the rebuilding process, all the QBs on this roster could be gone by next season. And maybe this team won't have a QB of the future until next year or the next. But if we're following the Seattle blueprint, the team has to build a complete team and not be QB-obsessed.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117062]

Scherff was struggling a bit today though.[/quote]

I would say he was struggling more than a bit and the LT was a turnstile.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1117066]I would say he was struggling more than a bit and the LT was a turnstile.[/quote]

Willie smith..,that dude sux.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1117066]I would say he was struggling more than a bit and the LT was a turnstile.[/quote]

I agree about Scherrf.

Who was starting at LT today? I don't remember from the lineup.

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[quote=That Guy;1117064]2-0! lol.[/quote]

And tell me the total score of the first stringers in those 2 games.
I could give a crap that our bench team beats other bench players.
None of them will be playing.

We have a lot of talent on offense...WR's, RB's.
When our QB's could get the ball to WR's they were awesome. Our RBs were solid too. We just need a QB that can simply get the ball to someone else as quickly as possible

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[quote=Ruhskins;1117065]The mistake this team has made is to try to bring a QB to a bad team and hope that the QB magically fixes the team.

You know who were Seattle's QBs in Pete Carroll's first two years when he was rebuilding that team? A washed up Matt Hasselbeck, Clipboard Jesus, Tavaris Jackson, JP Losman, and Josh Portis. Yet during those two years, he (with McCloughan on the front office staff), build the team that has been to two Superbowls.

We're on year one of the rebuilding process, all the QBs on this roster could be gone by next season. And maybe this team won't have a QB of the future until next year or the next. But if we're following the Seattle blueprint, the team has to build a complete team and not be QB-obsessed.[/quote]

Well we're on year 4 of the RG3 Projekt.

If we're banking on another 2 or 3 years of moving pieces around to fit the RG3 script (which I assume is part of the bigger Redskins Projekt), I might have to look into getting a Valium prescription.

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A true leader would put the team first and trade RG3 and rebuild with Cousins.
It needs to be done ASAP

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And I do realize the line sucked...but cmon....throw the ball away

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117070]Well we're on year 4 of the RG3 Projekt.

If we're banking on another 2 or 3 years of moving pieces around the fit the RG3 script (which I assume is part of the bigger Redskins Projekt), I might have to look into getting a Valium prescription.[/quote]

I don't think McCloughan is building around RG3; he might say he is, but I don't think he is.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1117074]I don't think McCloughan is building around RG3; he might say he is, but I don't think he is.[/quote]

I guess I'm trying to figure out, what scenario do you see is most likely?

I feel like RG3 either does decent and may earn himself a short deal or (the more likely situation) he blows harder than an F5 tornado.

If the latter scenario plays out, what do you think the FO does?

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What bothered me about Griffin wasn't the sacks. The line was getting treated like bitches. It was his fumbles. On one all he had to do was check it down to Thompson and punt. Why scramble on that play? No reason to be a hero there.

On the other one he turned around and tried to run backwards then lost the ball. He really had no chance on that play as the rookie was getting treated like a prison bitch, but just take the sack. No reason to turn around and run backwards.

This is why I can't stand these training camp reports about Griffin tearing it up in 7-7. It's bs cause there is no rush. Things change significantly when a real rush comes at Griffin.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;1117032]I am tired of that word "rebuilding". It presumes something is actually getting built. Almost 20 years of this shit. Can you honestly say the Skins are better than last year, or think they will be better next year than they have been the last 15 years?[/QUOTE]


Its actually more like 25

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117075]I guess I'm trying to figure out, what scenario do you see is most likely?

I feel like RG3 either does decent and may earn himself a short deal or (the more likely situation) he blows harder than an F5 tornado.

If the latter scenario plays out, what do you think the FO does?[/quote]

Looking at McCloughan's draft and free agency moves, I think he's building the running game, the offensive line, and the defense. That has been his priority this year and probably will be next year.

He didn't go out and spend resources on a QB, and wanted to see what he can get out of the QBs currently on the roster. Kirk Cousins or Colt McCoy could very well be our QBs this season and maybe the next.

The team can get rid of RG3 this year without losing much, I think he's gone by the end of the season barring some miracle.

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RG3 didn't pass the concussion test. So, guess it's the Cousins/McCoy show against the Ravens.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117081]RG3 didn't pass the concussion test. So, guess it's the Cousins/McCoy show against the Ravens.[/quote]

And probably for the rest of the season.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1117081]RG3 didn't pass the concussion test. So, guess it's the Cousins/McCoy show against the Ravens.[/quote]

Well I don't want rg3 to be seriously hurt..,but I want to see cousins with the first team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1117082]And probably for the rest of the season.[/quote]

If they make that change, I hope they do it before game 1. The QB carousel during the season has got to throw team morale for a loop. Let the guys know what they need to be expecting ASAP.