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[quote=Brody81;1123166]The Redskins fan base is like the politics in DC. Half the fan base who like Kirk are also pulling for Jay to succeed. The other half that still pull for Griffin want Jay fired in hopes their beloved one will play again. I for one think we need stability and need to stay the course otherwise we will repeat the last 20 years of losing.[/quote]

I don't care if Kirk the man, I just believe Jay the problem!! He is more a side show then Griff!! The reports I believe is from him and no team wins with that!! Every time he doesn't get his way a new report comes out!! If he doesn't like Griff he don't got to tell everyone!! I'm pretty sure he didn't like Forbath, so where d report about that at! This guy is a clown, everyone will see!! Every coach has problems with management, but only a few teams you hear about!! Every player sees how he protecting Kirk, they wondering why the different approach now! You want to change the culture, you got to have a leader to follow first!! Everybody wants the owner to treat every player the same, what bout the coach!!

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[quote=Michaelt31;1123205]I don't care if Kirk the man, I just believe Jay the problem!! He is more a side show then Griff!! [B]The reports I believe is from him and no team wins with that!![/B] [B]Every time he doesn't get his way a new report comes out!! If he doesn't like Griff he don't got to tell everyone!! I'm pretty sure he didn't like Forbath, so where d report about that at[/B]! This guy is a clown, everyone will see!! Every coach has problems with management, but only a few teams you hear about!! Every player sees how he protecting Kirk, they wondering why the different approach now! You want to change the culture, you got to have a leader to follow first!! Everybody wants the owner to treat every player the same, what bout the coach!![/quote]

What information do you base this on?

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[quote=punch it in;1123199]Shit u won just cus u have a wife that even thinks about going to the sports bar with u. Mine shops every game day simply out of spite.[/quote]

Whats with you guys and having wives that don't like sports?

Even my grandmother watched Redskins games. My mom does too. She probably is more religious than my dad is. And you know I do.

I dunno. Maybe we're just anomalies. lol

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1123208]Whats with you guys and having wives that don't like sports?

Even my grandmother watched Redskins games. My mom does too. She probably is more religious than my dad is. And you know I do.

I dunno. Maybe we're just anomalies. lol[/quote]

My wife loves sports, but she is a Giants fan, and a Yankees fan. Why did I marry her?

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I am talking about Ownership because Jason Garrett is a puppet to Jerry Jones! AT LEAST Gruden stood up to Snyder and got RGIII on the bench..I would much rather have Gruden than Garrett or that clown in Philly who thinks he is the smartest man in all of sports! Coughlin is far and away the best head coach in the NFC east and even he makes mistakes. look around the league what the heck happened to The saints..i guess they need to fire there coach..or Indy..or any other team that falls on a hard time..Gruden is still playing with the sorry hand he was dealt ..give him at least time enough to put his stamp on this team before we fire him..and pray tell who would the next head coach be?? some latest college guru?? or some old retread Ex Head coach?? Count me in as a Gruden fan..I think the skins could do a lot worse ..let this season play out .

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1123209]My wife loves sports, but she is a Giants fan, and a Yankees fan. Why did I marry her?[/quote]


LOL she has great taste

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1123208]Whats with you guys and having wives that don't like sports?



Even my grandmother watched Redskins games. My mom does too. She probably is more religious than my dad is. And you know I do.



I dunno. Maybe we're just anomalies. lol[/QUOTE]


Lol. My mom is a big sports fan. Loves her eagles and flyers and mets. Loves college basketball too. My wife not so much.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1123200]Some fans will question every play that doesn't work. What irritates me the most is when everyone complains about doing the unexpected. Like when it is 4th and 1 from an opponent's 40 and everyone runs a go route. A wide open receiver (that makes the play a good call) drops a sure TD at the 10. Then
all the fans say they should have ran up the middle and the OC is an idiot.
The 49ers in their glory days under Walsh used to frequently burn defenses by doing the unexpected.[/quote]

Same thing with the Superbowl last year. Everyone on earth was prepared for Lynch to run it in. That's exactly why Carroll called a quick slant. It had just as good a chance at scoring, if not better. All year we have to hear everyone complain that he should've run it in. If he tried and Lynch doesn't score we'd have been hearing that everyone knew he'd run it and he shouldn't be so predictable..

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1123208]Whats with you guys and having wives that don't like sports?

Even my grandmother watched Redskins games. My mom does too. She probably is more religious than my dad is. And you know I do.

I dunno. Maybe we're just anomalies. lol[/quote]

Because not everyone lands an awesome chick that likes sports.. You're a rare one.. a bit of a unicorn..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1123210]I am talking about Ownership because Jason Garrett is a puppet to Jerry Jones! AT LEAST Gruden stood up to Snyder and got RGIII on the bench..I would much rather have Gruden than Garrett or that clown in Philly who thinks he is the smartest man in all of sports! Coughlin is far and away the best head coach in the NFC east and even he makes mistakes. look around the league what the heck happened to The saints..i guess they need to fire there coach..or Indy..or any other team that falls on a hard time..Gruden is still playing with the sorry hand he was dealt ..give him at least time enough to put his stamp on this team before we fire him..and pray tell who would the next head coach be?? some latest college guru?? or some old retread Ex Head coach?? Count me in as a Gruden fan..I think the skins could do a lot worse ..let this season play out .[/QUOTE]
Absolutely this.

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[quote=rocnrik;1123210]i am talking about ownership because jason garrett is a puppet to jerry jones! At least gruden stood up to snyder and got rgiii on the bench..i would much rather have gruden than garrett or that clown in philly who thinks he is the smartest man in all of sports! Coughlin is far and away the best head coach in the nfc east and even he makes mistakes. Look around the league what the heck happened to the saints..i guess they need to fire there coach..or indy..or any other team that falls on a hard time..gruden is still playing with the sorry hand he was dealt ..give him at least time enough to put his stamp on this team before we fire him..and pray tell who would the next head coach be?? Some latest college guru?? Or some old retread ex head coach?? Count me in as a gruden fan..i think the skins could do a lot worse ..let this season play out .[/quote]

+10000

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[QUOTE=RedskinJake;1123213]Same thing with the Superbowl last year. Everyone on earth was prepared for Lynch to run it in. That's exactly why Carroll called a quick slant. It had just as good a chance at scoring, if not better. All year we have to hear everyone complain that he should've run it in. If he tried and Lynch doesn't score we'd have been hearing that everyone knew he'd run it and he shouldn't be so predictable..[/QUOTE]


Woaaahhh Nelly. Lol. That was the Superbowl. That was for the win. That was Marshawn Lynch at the one. That was thee worst call in history and the one time u dont get tricky or cute. I dont care wtf Bill Wallsh or Anybody else in sports history ever did.

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[quote=rocnrik;1123210]I am talking about Ownership because Jason Garrett is a puppet to Jerry Jones! AT LEAST Gruden stood up to Snyder and got RGIII on the bench..I would much rather have Gruden than Garrett or that clown in Philly who thinks he is the smartest man in all of sports! Coughlin is far and away the best head coach in the NFC east and even he makes mistakes. look around the league what the heck happened to The saints..i guess they need to fire there coach..or Indy..or any other team that falls on a hard time..Gruden is still playing with the sorry hand he was dealt ..give him at least time enough to put his stamp on this team before we fire him..and pray tell who would the next head coach be?? some latest college guru?? or some old retread Ex Head coach?? Count me in as a Gruden fan..I think the skins could do a lot worse ..let this season play out .[/quote]

Your leavin out a big piece or let's say he biggest piece of Gruden so called standing up to Snyder...McC. I'm talking x and o and your talking about a sorry situation of not developing rg3 or cousins...gruden was dealt a bad hand? Welcome to redskins football.

We are gonna find out just how good Garrett is this season with his "sorry" situation.

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[quote=VirgilTibbs;1123014]How will Gruden continue to sell Snyder and the fans on Cousins?[/quote]

After RG3 went bust, Cousins was Gruden's only choice. Exactly who do you think should start here?

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1123223]After RG3 went bust, Cousins was Gruden's only choice. Exactly who do you think should start here?[/quote]

Aaron Rodgers.

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well lets talk X and O's.. where did Gruden fail the redskins thursday night? all is saw was poor execution by the PLAYERS..Example Jordan Reed can't even sell the route he runs and gets called for a pick play..he needs to get it together. Cousins missing Open receivers ..not Grudens fault..Roberts dropping pass in the red zone..Jones fumbles at goal line..yea its all on Gruden..but lets back up a minute..ARE YOU SAYING with a different HEAD COACH the skins would be 3-0 and playoff bound..if so you are overestimating the talent on this team big time.

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[quote=Hog1;1123207]What information do you base this on?[/quote]

Hell most DC reports has stated a fact he doesn't like the kid, and he never addressed it. All he ever said is we fine!! U don't think hear the reports, and head coach with great leadership wouldn't talk to r interview with reporters if lies are been said about him!! He ok b/c these reporters think like his personality!! Players see right through coaches like this, it's only a matter of time everything falls apart. Times will get rough, and he will start will reports to reporters to protect his image!! Shanny did it, and he been doing it. It's not about standing up to Synder, is about control the outside noise!! Why u think Arizona, KC, r even Carolina win though games!! Leadership on d sideline!! U don't think people want to know why Cam don't have weapons, but u never hear the coaches calling out management!! Handle it behind the walls and not in the headlines!! I think he will win more games b/c of Cousins, but best believe dark days are ahead with this guy!! He will never take complete blame not Tomblin are Carroll!! He didn't have to say Jackson injure might be b/c he miss all preseason, he don't have it!!!

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[quote=michaelt31;1123227]hell most dc reports has stated a fact he doesn't like the kid, and he never addressed it. All he ever said is we fine!! U don't think hear the reports, and head coach with great leadership wouldn't talk to r interview with reporters if lies are been said about him!! He ok b/c these reporters think like his personality!! Players see right through coaches like this, it's only a matter of time everything falls apart. Times will get rough, and he will start will reports to reporters to protect his image!! Shanny did it, and he been doing it. It's not about standing up to synder, is about control the outside noise!! Why u think arizona, kc, r even carolina win though games!! Leadership on d sideline!! U don't think people want to know why cam don't have weapons, but u never hear the coaches calling out management!! Handle it behind the walls and not in the headlines!! I think he will win more games b/c of cousins, but best believe dark days are ahead with this guy!! He will never take complete blame not tomblin are carroll!! He didn't have to say jackson injure might be b/c he miss all preseason, he don't have it!!![/quote]

Im not sure i follow this..

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I wanted Gruden to coach all 16 and RG3 to start all 16. RG3 clearly has more potential and Cousins hasn't done enough to show him now is a better risk than what RG3 could be. Arm talent alone sets RG3 apart. He has a cannon.

That being said, I'd gladly take being wrong and Cousins being the better QB down the road once the roster is deeper and more competitive.

I don't want another coach gone. Gruden should get at least 3 years, meanwhile SM keeps building a full roster.

I'll take any answer to the QB position and I'll eat 10 lbs of black crow to get that answer.

To quote the late Al Davis "Just win baby"!!!

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[quote=rocnrik;1123228]Im not sure i follow this..[/quote]

We got the right GM need to work on the head coach!! Just wait when things go bad, just wait!!

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[quote=rocnrik;1123226]well lets talk X and O's.. where did Gruden fail the redskins thursday night? all is saw was poor execution by the PLAYERS..Example Jordan Reed can't even sell the route he runs and gets called for a pick play..he needs to get it together. Cousins missing Open receivers ..not Grudens fault..Roberts dropping pass in the red zone..Jones fumbles at goal line..yea its all on Gruden..but lets back up a minute..ARE YOU SAYING with a different HEAD COACH the skins would be 3-0 and playoff bound..if so you are overestimating the talent on this team big time.[/quote]

I think you would see a more efficient and more disciplined team.

And come on with the Reed needing to sell the play..that was a clear pick. Lol

I agree with the under throw to Reed, drops by Roberts(why is he playing...coaching decision), and the fumble by jones...that's on the players. BUT Couple of those Ints are on by gruden because he put him in a poor situation/call which is asking too much of cousins ability.

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[quote=Chico23231;1123231]I think you would see a more efficient and more disciplined team.

And come on with the Reed needing to sell the play..that was a clear pick. Lol

I agree with the under throw to Reed, drops by Roberts(why is he playing...coaching decision), and the fumble by jones...that's on the players. BUT Couple of those Ints are on by gruden because he put him in a poor situation/call which is asking too much of cousins ability.[/quote]

You're not blaming Gruden for Roberts dropping an easy pass?

I had no problem with the play calling myself, players gotta make plays, and our players missed a lot of open plays, including some bunnies to use a basketball reference.

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Cousins should just watch Varsity Blues next Saturday night..."Fire that fucking pigskin"...and he'll be good.

To everyone, I love this site, without it out here in Cali I'd be so much more depressed.

Even if I don't agree with you on a specific topic, you all make being a Skins fan more enjoyable.

At the end of the days, regardless of opinions/strategy, we all just want to win. Httr.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1123234]You're not blaming Gruden for Roberts dropping an easy pass?

I had no problem with the play calling myself, players gotta make plays, and our players missed a lot of open plays, including some bunnies to use a basketball reference.[/quote]

I have no clue how Roberts even sees the field at this point. He was a terrible free agent signing. Like to see Ross and crowder getting his reps

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[quote=Chico23231;1123236]I have no clue how Roberts even sees the field at this point. He was a terrible free agent signing. Like to see Ross and crowder getting his reps[/quote]

I think it's gonna be hard for Ross to get reps once DJax comes back. I feel like the depth chart would look something like DJax, Garcon, and then the slot being Roberts/Crowder then Grant.

With Scotty and Gruden being very "what have you done for me lately" oriented, Roberts has been inconsistent at best and with young, hungry guys that can produce in the wings, I don't get why he's still here.

But it probably helps Roberts chances that he is a Gruden guy and not leftovers from the Shanahan era.

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[quote=Michaelt31;1123230]We got the right GM need to work on the head coach!! Just wait when things go bad, just wait!![/quote]

Why don't we let the GM make that decision? Maybe he likes Gruden.

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I know many of you don't like Joey T. but he has a very good insight regarding the team.

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/theismann-gives-his-take-redskins-quarterback-situation?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo]Theismann gives his take on the Redskins quarterback situation | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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Off note - but - Brian Regan is the funniest person alive, and he uses no dirty humor. The guy is absolutely hilarious.

And, eh, go Skins!

Note - I'm watching him right now, this wasn't random thing to share.

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[quote=rocnrik;1122965]the game went like i thought it might..the stuff that bothered me was the blocked punt..that was pathetic blocking! you can say what you want But every bounce went the giants way..breeland was in good position on several of those td catches it was almost like nothing was gonna go the skins way..how about the onside kicks..they misplayed both and still we could not get a break..Jones fumbles crossing the goal ..it was hard to watch! The Skins fought ..bottom line is simple,We are not good enough to give away anything and we need to take advantage of every blunder the other team makes. last night the opposite happened.[/quote]

I could have not said it better bro. I had the same observations. The fumble by Jones reminded me of the RG3 dive in the end zone last season when the ball came out and we got hosed. We can't catch a break in New York.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1122985]Who are the top ranked college qbs? Cook and the kid from cal?[/quote]

Really you think a college QB is going to come in next season and make that much of a difference for us next year. Good Luck with that bro college QB's are very rare breed who are pro ready. They all run the spread offense.

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[QUOTE=skins89moss;1123248]Really you think a college QB is going to come in next season and make that much of a difference for us next year. Good Luck with that bro college QB's are very rare breed who are pro ready. They all run the spread offense.[/QUOTE]
That was my point lol that's y I asked

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[quote=bigant;1122998]we still need to find our franchise quarterback[/quote]

You think they are falling off trees? Franchise QB's don't come around every year. In fact they don't always have to be in the 1st round. See Tom Brady 6th rd and Russell Wilson 3rd. Sometimes a franchise can luck up and get one. Make no mistake we haven't had franchise QB since Joe T. Joe Gibbs won with 3 different QB's and not one of them was a franchise QB.

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[quote=rocnrik;1123226]well lets talk X and O's.. where did Gruden fail the redskins thursday night? all is saw was poor execution by the PLAYERS[/quote]Right off the bat I can tell we're gonna disagree b/c I believe the players level of execution is a product of how well they are coached and specifically putting them in positions to have success.

So where did J fail you ask?

(1) gameplan....IF our identity is gonna be run focused then we actually need to commit to running the ball. Against the Giants we did not. We did not follow the gameplan that brought success vs the Rams. We followed a gameplan where Kirk was asked to pass the ball too much, thus placing Kirk in position to fail...which he did. Our strength right now is not the passing but the running game....the OL Trent, Scherff, Moses, Alf and Matt Jones.

(2) Personnel and prep punt return unit. The Gints identified a weakness in our punt protection and exploited it. J had a newly active LB (Plummer) in a key position on punt protect and he failed.

(3) Refusal to run the ball on 3rd and 2. Going deep on 3rd and 2. Inefficient.

(4) On a key short yardage conversion attempt using Carrier (who we know is not a proven run blocker) to block the POA as opposed to McCoy (a known effective run blocker).

(5) Targeting Roberts, known to have drop issues last year and displayed those same issues already...Parcells? I believe said think players not plays when it comes to key situations...i.e



I could go on but its late i'm tired but you get the idea....I am not saying the whole game was on J. But since YOU asked for areas where he failed there are some.

HTTR

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[quote=Chico23231;1123202]I'd love gruden and his o coordinator to try as well

And after they do it, they need to be able to make in game adjustments to win football games. That's part of the job.

How about stop with the obvious pick plays that's cost us 3-4 penalties already. Or not call an obvious play action that was easily read by the defense and intercepted with our ass up against our own goal line.[/quote]

These plays that are being called pick plays are the same kind of plays the Patriots run and don't get called for PI. We are held to a different standard cause we have been awful for years.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1123235]Cousins should just watch Varsity Blues next Saturday night..."Fire that fucking pigskin"...and he'll be good.

To everyone, I love this site, without it out here in Cali I'd be so much more depressed.

Even if I don't agree with you on a specific topic, you all make being a Skins fan more enjoyable.

At the end of the days, regardless of opinions/strategy, we all just want to win. Httr.[/quote]

Yea I love this site cause living in Vegas and working in Cali i get to vent to other diehard Redskins fans. You all understand my pain. I do have Raider fans i see from time 2 time and we understand each other.

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Fans only consider committing to the run as running on every down, every play.

The split was almost 50/50 run to pass in the first half. That's not bad considering we couldn't get any short fields or turnovers. While trailing by 2 scores most the game.

Gruden wants to commit to the run, but any logical person could tell last night that wasn't going to happen for very long. We lost our starting LG. Rib was getting destroyed all night.

No Turnovers
Trailing by two scores for 90% of the game
Lost starting LG.
Facing the #3 ranked run defense and 31st pass defense
Lost time of possession
Only had 2 days of practice.
Penalties

Also... Our BEST starting field position of the night was the 28 yard line. Think about that. Think about it hard. We can't afford to run the ball 25 times a game and run off 12 minutes of the clock on a drive when we have to go 80 yards every drive while down by NOT 1, but 2 scores.

Oh and did I mention our defense couldn't get off the field? The first drive of the 3rd Quarter took 8 minutes off the clock. 8 fucking minutes! Still down by two scores I might add.

So no... We couldn't afford to run 50 times yesterday because we didn't do the things needed by the rest of the fucking TEAM. To be able to run the football.

I'm more pissed about why we are only rushing 4 down while having our DB play 8 yards off the line. Makes no sense. Eli just played catch with his WR down the field eating clock. I believe he started the game 10/10!!! Barry made no fucking adjustment. Even when Breeland was struggling. Breeland was targeted last night for 9 catches and 160yards!!!!!! Yet you don't play to Culliver and Breeland strength and jam the WR because you are protecting your safeties. I just think it's going to be a long season for the Defense if we can't seem to get pressure with 4. Or if we play like we did last night.

So please... Stop with the commitment to the run bullshit. You can't do it when you can't get off the field as a defense, and force shorter fields while down 2 or more scores.

I was actually impressed that the coaches gameplanning on a short week to exploit the Giants weakness which is the secondary. It just sucks Kirk had a bad game and couldn't hit a few throws that should of been touchdowns. He makes 1 or those throws and you see the running numbers a little higher.

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[quote=Bucket;1123257]....So no... We couldn't afford to run 50 times yesterday because we didn't do the things needed by the rest of the fucking TEAM. To be able to run the football.
....So please... Stop with the commitment to the run bullshit. You can't do it when you can't get off the field as a defense, and force shorter fields while down 2 or more scores.[/quote]I love it when the response to a post is hyperbole. I love how "commitment to run" is bullshit.

We didn't start the game down 2 scores. You don't have to stop running even if you're down 2 scores. Running the ball actually helps an OL. Running the ball actually helps the defense. You can be happy with a gameplan that gives the team's best weapon on offense 6 carries, I'm not.

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My reaction - Starting with poor field possession, we went steadily downhill. The game was over from the beginning. Injuries galore and poor play - looks like this will be another stinko year. There have been so many bad years. When will this nightmare end?

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i do think we stopped trying to run too early last game. you can be down 9 points and still run when there's 45 minutes left in the game. I don't know if they moved off it cause of the gameplan/giants D, because of the OL injuries, because of audibles at the line taking them out of run plays, or because J felt like chucking it. it's hard to tell from the outside.